I am curious to know what are the people that have no more borrelia treating currently now.
What are the herbs / drugs / treatments are you on now? Could you make a list?
If you are still using the Bionic, how are you using it now?
Thanks, Selma
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I don't think it is good for us to post this information here. There are so many people that don't believe in the 880 and I for one don't have time to convince people one way or another....and it is too early for me to really say what the end result will be.
Selma, I know your intentions are good, but it just doesn't make sense for most of us that have done it to post more here only to be further put down for our treatment decisions.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hi Selma.
I am taking magnesium, iron, Synthroid, and Cytomel. I am weaning off Lunesta and Lyrica for sleep. I don't think I'll entirely get off sleep meds until I get rid of the coinfections.
I continued to treat with the Lyme vials after I got home according to Dr. W's instructions. Now I am awaiting my coinfection nosodes and I will start treating those for a few weeks when they come - twice weekly.
I exercise and eat right in addition to the above. Even with a head cold, I feel about 85%, but before I got my cold I was in the 90-98% range daily. I still have something that flares every 24 days, I would suspect babesia, which I am treating next. During the flare I'm about 80-85%.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
selma,
i am still using the bionic to treat everything else. I just finished with HHV-6, and I am now on aspergillus fumigatus & candida albicans.
Since I started treating candida, Im also taking binders like modified citrus pectin, activated charcoal, and liposomal glutathione for heavy metals
I earnestly believe this will be able to treat the gist of my problems, if not all of them. It just makes perfect sense to me, and it's been the case so far.
Scoff at me if you want, I am using the biotensor to guide my treatment. I think it is the most insightful tool I've ever laid my hands on, and it will certainly save me hundreds if not thousands of dollars in the long run.
I am completely off my sleep medications, which I was on every night for 2 years before going to germany, and I'm getting my 9 hours with a mix of melatonin & natural herbs
also off cortef & thyroid
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hey, Joey, what herbs are you using for sleep?
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Cool you guys! Rock on!
Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
I really enjoyed all of your blogs.
Six ~ loved the underwear/chiropractic story. I laughed and laughed. I guess we are a bit more modest in this country.
Joey ~ I love your cynical humor, especially your airport story. I felt for your mother when she fell off the bike and when she lost you. She seems like a great mom.
Scott ~ I can't decide whether you should be a chef or a tour guide, lol. Your food photos looked so yummy (except for the one where the cook had a cold - ew) and all the medical information on your blood slide from Dr. Bradford was so interesting.
Thanks for keeping us informed while you all were over there.
Sandy
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Scott, for the ones who don't believe, I just ignore... I'm just curious on what to do AFTER the Bionic treatment for borrelia, because lyme is not my major issue, so I'm just looking for the future...
And also for the ones who are done with borrelia, there's very little information on what to do next here and elsewhere, so it could be nice to see what people are doing.
Gigi already offered lots of tips though, but she's so much ahead most of us, that I thought to make a thread for us 'common' people beginning on our own trials!
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Six, thanks for answering!
How many more times did you have to treat with the borrelia vials after coming back from Germany? I suppose you are already testing borrelia free?
Are you a bio tensor adict too?
Will you treat coinfections ONLY with testing nosodes (meaning, one nosode for each coinfection)?
I guess I can congratulate you for your cold. When lyme was disappearing for me, I started catching lots of colds. During lyme, I was almost immune to colds! Ixs that your case?
If you are a biotensor addict, test a few things for colds: first day of a cold, test Ferrum phosphoricum 30C. Second day on, test Hypericum 200c. They usually kill the virus on the first or second day never to return! If the cold still comes, I usually add the real herb, St. John's wort, propolis. Testing works wonderful with colds, but best if caught in the first or second day.
Glad to hear you feel great!! -------
Joey, thanks for your answer too. Are you treating yourself with the testing nosodes you bought here only? Not with homeopathic dilutions, right?
I just have homeopathic nosodes from all these fungi-candida here. I wonder if aspergillus niger and mucor racemosus could be treated with the Bionic...
How did you find out you got asp. fumigatus? I know you bought lots of nosodes here to test...
I hope your dad's house is fine. I didn't read your blog last days to get the news.
Congratulations for sleeping without meds!!
Can I ask you if you have normal dreams? Blank nights (no dreams) was one of my most persistent and long lyme 'symptoms'.
Thanks a lot, I hope there will be a hotline for the Bionic users one day!
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
I don't see any problem with folks posting here. The Bionic Thread is still on the front page and 23 pp long!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
thanks karatelady! glad you enjoyed the humor between the lines.
six: I'm taking l-theanine, GABA, 5-htp. Ok I just realized none of those are herbs haha. In addition, the biotensor says branched chain amino acids & l-citrulline. Lots of amino acids apparently do the job
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Guys, I think you can post here about your Bionic treatment too. Just helps everyone make more informed treatment decisions.
Six and Joey--so glad for you guys re the sleep meds! That must feel SO empowering.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
I just want to thank all of you who are paving the way for what could be many, many other Lyme patients.
If you did not talk about your experiences, than the rest of us would never know about the bionic and how it has helped you thus far.
Thank you for sticking your neck out and please don't ever let people who are close minded tempt you to stop telling your story.
As long as you tell the truth and are honest, than who the heck cares what others think.
You may not even realize how many people you could be helping.
I appreiciate anyone who is willing to share in what is helping them to get better from this horendous disease whether it is from the Bionic or from ABX.
Again thanks! Elizabeth
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Six, getting a cold is a great sign you are getting well. When we have lyme our t-cells and white cells are too busy with other infections and viruses become secondary. The normal body response is diminished and no immune response is given. To the point where we don't think we can get colds. Instead the viruses flourish. I had really bad cold shortly after treating candida/yeasts/fungi. Which are also secondary to lyme and company and viruses secondary to them.
I just completed doing a liver cleanse as what I think is the last part of my treatment. Soon after the cleanse about a day, my energy soared. I can't believe what came out of me. Yuck!
I've been off thyroid meds now for about a month 60mg armour. Just don't need it anymore.
I agree with Joey about the biotensor, fabulous device. Don't know how I would have gotten where I am right now without it! It may have taken months longer.
As far as those who chose not to believe. They see the body as a mechanism and not as an energy being. It is what we were brain washed to believe. A great many credible quantum physicists are trying to reverse that thinking. It is going to take quite a bit of time for that change to occur.
Oh well... It is matter of getting well or not. Right now I feel pretty darn well for trusting the alternative instead of the mainstream. And by the way isn't it the mainstream who can't quite fathom lyme as chronic. Yea, lets put our trust in the mainstream! Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
No, I'm not a Biotensor addict, LOL. I tested borrelia free by ART after my 6th treatment in Germany, but that's a different method than Dr. W uses. I treated several more times at home just to be sure and because I just felt better and better after each photon treatment.
I did used to not get colds, but I have gotten them for a while now, so this is no treat, LOL! I heard today that my dentist's office practically shut down because they all caught this cold. The receptionist told me how BAD everyone was feeling. So, I guess I'm doing pretty well because I'm still functional.
Thanks for the homeopathic suggestions. I'm actually taking something homeopathic that Dr. W suggested and I bought in Germany. I have no idea what it is, but I believe by the smell that it has fennel in it.
Thanks, Joey, I tried 5HTP before and it helped but didn't make me sleep. I haven't tried the others. As I wean off the meds, I'll try incorporating some of those.
Congratulations, Bob!!!! Woohoo! Glad you're feeling so much better!
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
mainstream = CDC, IDSA and duck soup
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
guys and gals i'm trying to buy my ticket to germany on expedia and apparently there are 2 airports in stuttgart. which one did you use? thanks
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
John, the Kleins don't want you to fly to Stuttgart. There's another airport that has a fast train to Karlsrube instead of the four trains from Stuttgart to Pforzheim. I think it's Frankfurt .... can someone else who's been chime in?
The Kleins asked me to post this, I'm just late in doing so.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
oh that's good. i was just about to purchase my flight tickets. yet that is also not as good. it seems all confusing enough with the language being different. i guess i'm not going to take an early morning departure on return.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Mrs. Klein suggested I fly to Stuggart and rent a car and drive from there. It is only a little over an hour from Stuggart to Dobel where they live.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Hiker and John are you going to create blogs of your experiences? I believe the blogs will help hundreds if not thousands of folks appreciate the treatment Dr. W. is offering. A blog is a detailed testimonial of the treatment.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
After the bionic is it best to use a nosode with dilution that is high or low. ex: bart nosode
would I use a 200X or 5x?
Hiker53
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
fly into frankfurt, take the fast train to karlruhe. There are more direct flights to frankfurt than stuttgart (I think), that way you won't have to transfer trains at all--from stuttgart to pforzheim is 4 transfers--and Mr. Klein can pick you up at Karlruhe, which is 30 min from dobel.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
if you are renting a car, i remember the price difference between frankfurt & pforzheim for rentals was pretty steep.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
cheaper in pforzheim, i assume? i guess i will take a train from frankfurt or wherever i land.
and i am not sure if i am going to do a blog or not since i am not bringing a computer with me.
but will definitely do one when i get back of not while i am there.
Posted by david1097 (Member # 3662) on :
At the risk of being blasted, can someone explain to me whats so special about the bionic 880.
IR heat therapy has been around longer than I have been living and is used for pain treatment. The old wavelengths were longer because of the light source. The 880 nm comes about becuase thats what LED`s of today emit.
What are they supposed to do that is so curative?
Posted by Kathy Boss (Member # 3062) on :
David,
have you used one of these or know of anyone that has?
Also this new light thing eveyone is speaking about is it not the same as the far infared suanas?
Thanks a bunch!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Six, congrats for your cold then!!!
I got particularly happy when I started to get colds like everyone else. Now I feel I can get a cold every month (in colder weather) but the homeopathic treatment stops it before (but again, with energetic tests).
Could you post somewhere (in your blog or here in lymenet) when your ART practioner CAN'T find borrelia anymore? And post which pathogens he still found?
As you were one of the only ones that still got borrelia after doing the treatment in Germany, that will be useful to know, I suppose, as you fit the 'difficult' American picture dr. W. was talking. ------
Energetic test was the best gift I got from my lyme disease. It not only helped me to be in remission, it saved me hundreds if not thousands of euros, it made me see my body and pathogens in a very different way than I could have ever imagined.
The protocols to deal with disease are shaped in a totally different way because our bodies change EVERY DAY every time we give it what it wants. So next day, it won't want the same, but something else and the disease, pathogens and our body change, new symptoms arise, we get on peeling the onion until we feel we are healthy again. That's how I see it helped me.
I say it is a gift from lyme disease, because without lyme, I would never had gone into these energetic tests (because they sound fake at first sight). As I was desperate, I tried it and now I think it is the most important thing I ever learned. Even if it's not 100% accurate, it is MUCH better than trial and error.
I test absolutely everything around me: magnetic fields, my clothes, shoes, all foods, soaps, shampoos, good energetic spots in my garden, good places for my plants, stones, ticks, my cat etc.
Another thing to ask, for biotensor fans, is: 'is this herb /supplement /drug reaching where it should reach?'
You will be AMAZED to see many of the products we take DON'T reach where they should reach because critters (or our bodies) don't allow them to go there. We tap in the right points, the products start reaching. It is clear like day and night.
Make the questions after ingesting something (give about 3-5 minutes time), with the bottle or pill in front of you, and ask if it reached, for example, your brain, a part with inflamation, or the area where the pathogen is testing (for example GI tract, liver). It is amazing to see that many of the herbs we ingest never reach where they should and that's why some herbs seem not to work.
After a Bionic hot line, I wished there were another hot line for energetic testers!! It took me quite some time to 'master' this energetic 'tool', and I am still learning new possibilities.
---------- Hiker, I don't think people use the ingestable homeopathic dilutions to treat coinfections WITH the Bionic. They simply use the testing nosodes, if I understood right.
The homeopathic dilutions dr. W. is using with the Bionic are NOT the homeopathic dilutions practioners use here ingested. NOT AT ALL.
No one will ever prescribe a D2 dilution of borrelia to be ingested as it STILL CONTAINS borrelia inside. But dr. W. still uses them for treatment so I SUPPOSE, ingested dilutions are different from the nosodes used with the Bionic. Even D200, no, I don't think people ingest these dilutions here of borrelia. I started with a 30c, that was the strongest borrelia dilution I ever took (prescribed by a classical homeopath for acute cases), and that is much more diluted than a D200 (the highest diluted liquid dr. W. uses in a normal protocol).
Gigi may drop here one day to clarify. Or Joey.
----- Joey, what exactly are you using (or intend to use) to treat asp. fumigatus WITH your Bionic? Is it a testing nosode only?
----- David and Kathy, I guess you have to do a search in lymenet, there are quite a few threads on the Bionic, your answers will be found for sure.
Search also for Lightworks, there were discussions about the Bionic in the LW threads.
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
nyjohn - cars are most definitely cheaper in Pforzheim. I flew into Frankfurt and took the train to Pforzheim. A train to Karlsruhe is probably better which I did on the return trip.
In terms of how I am doing after returning. I was 100% for two months after my last treatment in Germany. Now things are popping up. Not sure if they are co-infections, yeast, metals or what. I'm using the biontensor to try my best to figure out my next steps.
I have some serious, old infection in my jaw (two places) from old root canals. Those are being taken care of next week. Then the metal comes out of my mouth.
We will see how I am feeling after all that
I take binders as needed, magnesium, adrenal support, tinctures for liver and kidney support. They all change daily and at different times of the day according to the biotensor.
I don't take anything for sleep and am having vivid dreams again.
I haven't felt great for the last couple of days, lots of jaw pain and headaches which I guess could be the infection. Just trying to take things as they come and realize this is a process.
I never tested positive for any co-infections but the tests are not always accurate. I think once the lyme is knocked out, anything that is there will start to show up.
For example, these root canal issues are at least 15 years old but my body could not deal with it while lyme was in house.
Just taking one day at a time and keeping at the layers of the onion that get referred to so often.
Just a little thinking about the past. Last year at this time I was trying to Christmas shop. One store - one day - was about all I could manage and then home to bed.
I have come a long way since then and of all the various treatments I tried, the bionic has surely been the most effective.
I am enjoying life but every day is not perfect. There is also a good deal of stress in that one of my granddaughters has lyme and babesia. She went downhill fast and is using a wheel chair in school.
Why not send her to Germany - as many of you will ask? I would love to but I have to let her parents get through the denial about the disease and try the antibiotic route for a spell. If they are not seeing progress then perhaps they will be open to it.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
joey and nana etc did you have to rent your car in pforzheim ahead of time or could you do it spur of the moment? do you know if you can get an automatic? my left hip is bad and driving stick is out of the question. especially if i have to do a lot of last minute turns and things since i don't know where i am going. thanks
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
we just called the place when we got there. Mr. Klein has the info and it was pretty spur of the moment. They sometimes have automatics for more money but I think they are fairly hard to come by.
Posted by Ocean (Member # 3496) on :
Nana, I'm so sorry to hear about your granddaughter! That must be heartbreaking for you to know there is help, but she isn't receiving it. Yet, I understand what you mean about giving her parents time to figure out what will and won't work. Maybe she'll be one of the lucky ones who will recover, or go into remission with antibiotics.
I have much compassion for those getting sick as a teen as that is when I got sick. And although I don't know what it would have been like to first get sick as an adult, I think it's harder for kids, esp when no doctor will diagnose you, non of your friends understand (which is your primary basis for living when you are that age, lol!). If you can, let me know how she is doing. I will pray for her health and recovery.
Take care, Ocean
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
NanaDubo I hope you start to feel better soon and your granddaughter gets the helps she needs for a return of her perfect health as well.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hiker, we taped all ten dilutions to our solar plexus during treatment.
Brussels, after I treated one more time in Germany after Dr. W tested me, ART testing showed I was clear of Lyme. Dr. W tested me after the 5th treatment, ART after the 6th.
I do not have a local ART practitioner.
John, there was someone else there when we were who had an automatic car. I believe they are more money.
Kathy, it's different than the saunas. I have a FIR sauna and love it for detox.
David, it's not a heat therapy. The Bionic is stronger than most LED's on the market and has different frequencies. The only one I've heard of here in the US that is as strong is almost as expensive as the Bionic.
What they do is - treatment with the Bionic and homeopathic nosodes taped to the solar plexus gets rid of Lyme. I haven't felt this good in years.
Posted by Dawnee (Member # 15089) on :
If questions can't be asked on here about the Bionic 880 then take the thread off.
People get bashed for EVERY type of treatment from someone or another... so if a question can't be asked or answered on his forum..take the thread off.
Sorry but thats just how I feel.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
OK, for borrelia it was 10 homeopathic dilutions plus some of 'live' borrelia (that I doubt, as how is borrelia kept alive in a vial)? I guess the other vial is the 'main tincture' of borrelia, the tincture that gives 'birth' to all other homeopathic dilutions (or did I get that wrong)?
If this is the case, a D2 dilution is VERY 'close' to the mother tincture, as it is diluted only twice.
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Dawnee, I'm sorry if I sounded not answering the questions. Some questions have been asked on and on again in previous threads (about what is the Bionic, how does it compare to other instruments etc), so why not using the search function and read first?
That's my suggestion.
------ Six, congratulations then! But I know what you mean that 'you want to be sure', so you ran it more times. Fingers crossed for you!
---- Nana, I hope you'll find out what to do. I think that peeling the onion will still take a long time, unfortunately. As said before, we didn't fall sick with chronic lyme because of borrelia only. Now that your borrelia seems to be sleeping, there are probably loads of things to treat.
I had troubles with teeth my whole way during lyme and in between re-infections. I still have one tooth that is sensitive, still fighting candida in my root plus mercury that insists in staying there.
Mercury tests on and off in my gums and roots, it's like I clean something, then give a pause of a few months, then when I test again, there it is again...
I have one tooth that I lost during the last re-infection that left 'internal' scars, I'm sure. Some kind of toxin or whatever. These weaker points can turn the focus of infection again, I feel.
In my experience with energetic tests, once one pathogen disappears, another comes up. And on and on again. I am still fighting many candida and fungi strains, and my war is very similar to fighting borrelia and tick coinfections. Very similar, it's amazing.
The only good thing is that these yeast-candida are not AS immunosuppressive AS borrelia or bart. So life goes on more easier.
Good luck in finding solutions!
--- Hey John, I hope you find a solution.
It IS cold here, I was in Stuttgart for the weekend, it snowed there, the temperature is freezing in the night and early morning, so be prepared.
Winter came earlier than usual. Last winter didn't snow (only one day), this winter it snowed already twice (and winter just started).
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
No offense to anyone but I don't believe this is true -
re: sixgoofykids "The only one I've heard of here in the US that is as strong is almost as expensive as the Bionic."
The Lumen Photon 90 is stronger (brighter) than the Bionic 880 & costs about $900.
It uses different frequencies of pulsed light than the Bionic 880. It uses the Nogier frequencies. I don't know how the Bionic 880's company arrived at the ones that they use.
If anyone knows why the Bionic 880 frequencies are better than the Nogier frequencies - I would appreciate it if they can explain it.
-----
From info that Bejoy shared about a week or so ago... Lyme may not "energetically test" as being present since it can change form & go into cysts. While one may test as no longer having Lyme - it is possible that it is dormant for the time being.
If you don't continually treat it with infrared light, herbs, supplements, etc. - it can return. Someone here posted that Lyme can remain dormant in the cyst form for 10 years. I'm not sure if this is true. If anyone knows how long it can remain dormant in the cyst form - please post.
I think using the infrared light or other treatments may need to be on-going. You also may need to use a cyst buster like grapefruit seed extract to get to the different forms it can morph into. Rifeing may be helpful, too.
It would seem to be beneficial to try different treatments or rotate the treatments in order to get to the various forms of the spirochete, as well as, the other co-factors.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
30 years of research and a proven track record with Lyme patients - that says enough... If someone wants to try their own experiment, great, but many of us have chosen to follow a path that is already well-studied in clinical practice.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Course I'm not a Bionic user, but I'm all for it, so an additional note to testing and treatment:
It may be worth getting a set of the whole borrelia variety family pack from Ergopathics (or anywhere else you know of that has such a thing.)
For some people the Borrelia Burgdorferi nosode may clear out all the other Borrelia strains as well. For others it may not, and you might need the Garinii and/or other strains to treat with.
I'm going to put in an order for those myself for the fun of it.
Based on my travels and symptoms (both the arthritic like from Burgdorferi and Neuro like from Garinii) I'd bet that I have several strains to play with. Testing without the nosodes say, you bet I do.
Ditto, what Sparkle said I said about cyst busters seeming to bring up more spirochetes to show up for energetic testing, in my experience.
A note on teeth - I found in an old root canal area the following and treated with nosodes and light: Klebsiella Pneumonia, Candida, and Strep Pneumonia. The strep is still giving me some trouble, but symptoms are improved.
Found these from a Sanum list. I wonder if there are still others hiding in there. What a treasure hunt!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle,
GSE will not get all cysts, as it doesn't cross the BB barrier. According to Buhner, it is not systemic.
According to muscle tests, it does get cysts from the GI tract, and possibly blood, but I always need other cyst busters to go more systemic. Besides, it feels too strong to my GI lining.
What I found better as cyst busters are (from own tests and nautropath ART): - best for me is pau d'arco tincture (confirmed by ART) - bee pollen - Noni tincture
(both pollen and noni under are used by dr. K. followers).
Borrelia hides not only in cysts forms. I had quite a few experiences that it hid in heavy metals. The last short revival was during my recent heavy metal detox experience, it felt like it really came whit the flushing off of heavy metals.
----- Scott, despite 30 years of experience, the Bionic too is in an experimental phase when it comes to treatment of infections.
That's why I did this thread, to see how I can go on treating myself (with the Bionic or with something else) after borrelia. I have easy access to the Bionic, but not much expertise around on how to operate it SPECIFICALLY for infections and toxin elimination.
I feel the Bionic here in Switzerland is used for psych. therapies and is very successful for treating smoke addiction, but still haven't found many people versed in treating infections. Therefore this thread...
--- Sparkle, I don't test for borrelia either, through ART, but I'm almost sure dr. W. will find it in me. Gigi didn't have active lyme and still got treated with the Bionic for borrelia, meaning she tested energetically positive for it.
I am pretty sure not only borrelia is dormant, but most tick born coinfections too. I've been finding loads of dormant things not related to ticks lately.
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Bejoy, nice to see you found some stuff in your mouth. I still test for mucor racemosus under one tooth. I also treated Klebs pneumonia, and a bit of candida albicans. Only strep pneumonia still didn't test.
During active lyme, you bet that many tick born infectiosn tested there too. But my strongest problem is how to get rid of mercury there, I guess that's the responsible for most of my troubles there.
These vials from Ergopathics are different from nosodes... I wonder if the info there from Ergop vials would be similar to nosodes made from actual pathogens TO BE USED with the Bionic, I mean.
I guess only testing these with the Bionic will bring some answers...
Has anyone used these frequency vials with the Bionic.
Sorry I didn't answer your PM, I read though the discussion in your thread about it.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Just to clarify, the testing Dr. W does to see if you have Lyme left or not is not ART or muscle testing, it's the Bicom 2000. It seems to test at a deeper level.
Mrs. Klein from the guesthouse said there is a lady who was treated two years ago by Dr. W. She comes back every year (she's German) and gets re-tested. So far, two years later, she has tested clear for borrelia both times.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Went to a great lady today who does Sanum, (and has almost every test kit on the planet.) She gave me and my daughter both Mucor Racemosus. Sounds familiar, my friend Brussels!
She gave it to me dosed in sublingual drops. I will use it this way followed by biophotons.
In my experience so far, it doesn't seem to matter if the substance is on the solar plexus or in the mouth. (But in a vial on the solar plexus you don't use it up.)
She says this is a mold homeopathic that probably indicates that I am harboring metals still in my organs and/or gums, and this will help with drainage, as the metals, molds and lyme are synergistic. We didn't go through all the organs as this was my daughter's hour. Next week more for me.
She does not find lyme in my daughter. I'm the only one who ever does. (She did find plenty of Candida.)
This may mean lyme is not there, and my testing is inaccurate for my daughter - a projection of my own pathology. Or that she has it but it's low enough to stay in hiding. Or that she doesn't need nosode treatment because I'm always on it, and I carry the energy for her. Whatever. I wonder what the Biocom would say.
She did say my bee venom ointment is strongly indicated by energy testing for her knees for pain and inflammation. So try and make sense of that whole picture.
For homeopathics and nosodes for my girl, for now I'll just go with her Mucor Race, Candida tester, and lotso light.
This same lady uses Ergopathics, so I'll get a chance to play with her's a little and see how they respond with my little 880.
Sorry, this isn't exactly post-Bionic information, but it seemed appropriate here.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Excellent Bejoy! On finding such a wealth of sanum readily available.
Selma -- I didn't get done what I said I going to this weekend... I'll PM you.
Well, I have a bit of good news, I got my biotensor today from Germany. I did my first tests with a borrelia nosode and came up negative. As well as the two metal complex vials I have, both negative. I have two dogs one of them tests positive for lyme.
I had done a hulda clark liver cleanse. And I'm testing heavily for pesticides. The tensor tests positively for apple pectin and no other binders. Does apple pectin make sense a way to cleanse these poisons? Clay or activated charcoal don't test at all.
Next week I'm planning to take the biotensor to my doctor and do some testing with his sanum test kits and his vials. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Posted by Ocean (Member # 3496) on :
Yea Bob!! That's great! Keep us updated about your new 'toy'! I wish I had one.
Take care, Ocean
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
hey bob,
i test for modified citrus pectin, but also no charcoal most of the time. The charcoal tested heavily on my first day of treating metals though. If you don't have heavy duty mop-up to do, I doubt the tensor would say yes to it
-joey
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Way to go Bob! That's terrific! Congratulations on your Biotensor and on your results.
How does psyllium or ground flax seed test as a binder?
Have you tested for cyst busters? I'm curious to see how lyme nosodes test. Does no lyme mean no just no spirochetes or no L-Form as well.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I have two biotensors now, the one from Germany which is an amazing device and the one I purchased about a month ago, which I still believe is very good device.
The first biotensor I had purchased tested negatively for lyme. My practioner said my lyme was becoming less and less over time.
You might not know that I had been taking MMS for 8 to 9 months, for two months while taking the MMS I added monolaurin, freeze dried garlic, oregano oil and lightworks. I really believe MMS killed the lyme and I believe the LED maybe not as powerful as the bionic is still a pretty good cyst buster.
I've tested myself for a little over a month now with a biotensor and nosode and the response has been negative. Now its time to have my practioner test me, If he tests negative. Well, I guess I can say I'm lyme free.
But time moves on and as you know, lyme isn't the only issue. Prior to all this I had my dental work redone, all mercury filling replaced cavitations done, root canals retreated. TMJ work done.
I had been actively removing metals for the last year. They also now test negatively with a nosode.
I had a very bad candida / fungi / yeast issue. Used two sanum remedies pef and alb. I' also had some mycoplasma issues and used muc.
So I've done a number of cleanses as well, bowel a month ago, this past weekend a liver cleanse (lots of gall stones). I've discovered since the liver cleanse an enormous amount of pesticides were being released into my intestines and colon, again energetically testing.
I have a test vial for it, and it is very positive. Not sure if these are all of them, it is based on EDS screen I had done year ago and includes Amitraz, Dioxin, Ethridiazole, Fenaminosulf, and Methoxychlor. Its great to see them finally being released. Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Bob how did you treat your cavitations?
One dental office I just spoke with uses homeopathic shots I guess under or into the gum and another uses ozone.
I am trying to decide the best way to deal with my gums and fillings at the moment. I have been calling all the holistic dentists around to decide which one to go to.
Also have you found a good source for apple pectin? I have been waiting to do some but today in one store only found capsules mixed with junk and once did an online search and found it very hard to find any organic apple pectin.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
If you can't find apple pectin, why not use organic apples?
Grate one , leave to go brown [perhaps overnight or for several hours, then eat on its own or with oats if you can tolerate them. Oats are a good source of fibre and should help with the binding too.
Posted by GraceT (Member # 16558) on :
Hi Six, Selma and All,
When I took Ambian it really put me under. I guess it works with the neurotransmitters. Dealing with neuroBb + Ambian I ended up bedridden for two months.
Then, one day my 83 year old Mom said, "Honey, why don't you stop taking that sleeping pill. That is the only medicine you take." March 3rd I stopped. Sleep eventually rebalanced back to normal - I was amazed.
April/May I went back to work at a hospital - I was amazed. After learning at end of May what was happening to me I quit to focus on an attack plan.
I've learned to take gaba + Kavanace. My hubby is now taking Kavanace also. It has B6 + Taurine blend. Sure helps us sleep. I purchase it from my ND, or mailorder from an ND in Snowflake, AZ.
Selma - Hope to see you in February. Grace
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I've been studying the various forms of the Lyme bacteria. Since it is pleomorphic, do any people who do energetic testing test for Lyme as cyst, L-form, bleb, etc.?
I wasn't able to find out exactly how long the various forms of the bacteria can stay in the body. It does change & it is known to be persistent.
It may be interesting to see if the various forms test as being present rather than just Lyme in general. It also can be harbored in various forms in parts of the body such as the nerves, spinal fluid, brain, collagen, GI tract, etc.
As we continually rotate the various treatments with infrared light, homeopathics, herbs, & other things - I'm sure Lyme decreases. I think it may be a continual process, though, depending on the form it may be in.
Here's some reference about the various forms Lyme can take:
Since energetic testing can be vague, maybe asking more detailed questions can be helpful to assess what actions need to be taken in regards to treatment?
LD is caused by many borrelia species. Another major oversight by the medical community regarding Lyme disease is that Borrelia burgdorferi is not the only bacterium that causes Lyme disease; there are many pathogenic borrelia strains; many of which cause borreliosis (Lyme-like disease).
The causative agent, Borrelia burgdorferi, is a type of spirochete. When Bb was first discovered in 1982 it was thought that there was just one strain.
Since then, about 100 U.S. and 300 worldwide strains of the bacterium have been discovered. In the mid-1990's genospecies were formed to group the many variations into subcategories.
Borrelia burgdorferi sensu lato is name given to the overall category. In North America there is just one genospecies variant - Bb sensu stricto. In Europe there are three categories Bb sensu stricto, B. garinii, and B. afzelii.
Asia has B. garinii and B. afzelii. Japan has B. japonica and B. miyamoto. These groups are evolving as new research discoveries occur.
A new pathogen causing Lyme or "Lyme-like" disease has been reported. While not culturable, it has been named B. lonestari sp. B. andersonii, B. lonestari and B. miyamotoi have been identified by PCR and DNA sequence analysis as likely human pathogens in the U.S. Unfortunately, the criteria for clinical Lyme are set for only Borrelia burgdorferi; they were not designed for any other borrelia species.
The reason that Borrelia burgdorferi is tracked by health officials but not other species is because it's the primary borrelia species that laboratories are able to identify and study.
I admit that Borrelia species are very difficult to grow (fastidious) and work with in the laboratory. In most cases, laboratories are not even able to isolate and identify Borrelia species. Some other known strains of borrelia include: B. valaisiana, B. lusitaniae and B. bissettii.
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This may account for why some people are cured more easily with biophotons than others.
Each case is different in regards to the particular strain of bacteria, additional viruses, mycoplasmas, fungal infections or yeast, toxins in the system, heavy metal poisoning, genetics, or status of the bacteria itself (cyst form, bleb, spirochete, etc.), how long people have been ill for, other co-infections, etc.
Since people are using questions for energetic testing & homeopathic preparations, we may need to be more specific in regards to the focus to use in combination with the biophotonic therapy - whether with the Bionic 880 or other devices.
I also think that continual treatment may also be helpful due to the pleomorphic nature of Lyme & how it interacts with other pathogens, toxins.
Also-
Lyme has been found to be able to "camouflage" itself from the body's own immune system. I don't have time now to post the specifics & references.
If your own immune system can't detect it - how could energetic testing be accurate? I'm not suggesting this to disprove energetic testing (which I think can be accurate)...
I'm just saying that it can fool the body on a biochemical level. So, we need to be cautious.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Energetic testing does not rely on the immune system's recognition of the bacteria.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I've been out the whole day, I'll get back to you all soon.
I don't mind to see different subjects popping up, as they all look interesting!
Bob, can you ask one more thing with your biotensorSSS?? How do they compare to a simple PENDULUM?
I once read that they are very similar, the only difference is that it is easier as you can do it faster in a shop while the pendulum needs the person to be totally static.
As for you guys doing SANUM, it is, I think, a long term treatment(about 9-12 months of treatment).
It needs almost more time than killing borrelia and coinfections because it is BASICALLY a matter of changing the milieu, while with borrelia and coinfections, we still can put most of them DORMANT without changing TOTALLY the mileu.
What is fantastic with these products is that only one or two KILLERS test a day, never more. Then you test again in a few days, the killers change totally. And they keep changing almost forever.
Now I'm again back to Mycobacterium tuberculinum bovis (sp?), it causes me an AWFUL skin infection with swelling, exactly like it happened two months ago.
I wonder if adding light (LW or Bionic or Photon Wave), if the treatment will go MUCH faster, as Gigi is suggesting. I mean, she is still treating her husband for mold and mold toxins, so he's still not done yet either.
Bob, I am trying to buy monolarin too, but I don't know if my pharmacy will find it.
CONGRATULATIONS for the ones WITHOUT active borrelia!!
Thanks Six to say dr. W. tests with the Bicom machine.
for the people testing supplements or whatever, test if they GO where they should go. I get blockages ALL THE TIME specially when infection or inflamation is bad. I ask: 'is this herb going to my fingers NOW?' and the answer is NO many times.
I know homeopathics of HIGH dilution usually don't get blocked like herbs and supplements, they reach all over. I think because they are pure 'energy'. But these Sanum products are low dilution, and they DO get blocked.
I wonder if light treatments don't get this type of blockage that all ingested things get. If you people that got a light machine could ask the biotensor, it will be useful to know.
If light information goes to all parts of your body (specially the parts that are symptomatic), it can mean a lot, in my opinion. I AM curious to know for both the Bionic and LW (or other light devices).
Ask your biotensors which accupuncture point is blocked and you usually find where. Then you massage the point (or tap it) and the substance just reaches where it should reach.
gotta go to bed. I'll get back to your posts another time!
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Thanks for the suggestions Grace, I'll have to look into that.
Problem is, without the sleeping pills, I do not sleep for more than an hour or two. I have not actually been on them for more than a year, and I do fine switching between Ambien and Lunesta.
I believe I need to work on coinfections before I can wean totally off them. I was almost off them completely during bartonella treatment, but within a couple months afterward, I needed them again, so I'll work harder on getting off them once I treat co's.
I feel fine during the day even after taking the sleep meds. I'm glad it helped you so much getting off them. I'll look into those natural products.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Angelica, I have done Sanum homeopathic injections into the gums twice. It did help tremendously, but did not solve the whole problem just by two rounds of injection and two or three homeopathics.
It was probably the most painful experience I have ever had, except for other deep dental work without ansethetic, even including childbirth. I have no experience with cavitation work, as I opted out of that choice.
Continued work with homeopathics, lightworks, and Sanum is continuing to make progress for me on the dental issue.
Six, have you thought about phosphatidyl serine for help with sleep? It is a cortisol moderator/reducer. I used to not sleep when my cortisol was too high. (Now I have to put some back in.)
Brussels, thanks for allowing the topics to flow all over the place here. Let us know if we need to refocus.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Angelica -- my DDS used ozone treatments.
Selma -- monolaurin can be shipped internationally, www.wellnessresources.com is the supplier I've used. I'm not sure about http://www.lauricidin.com/. They are both essentially the same product.
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Thank you Bob.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Bejoy, when my cortisol was tested, it tested low, so you still think that would help?
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Six, honest answer is I don't know. But here's what I think:
It depends what kind of test you had and when you had it tested.
Cortisol is supposed to be highest between about 7-9 am, low from about 3-6 pm, and lowest from about 1-3am, as I recall.
For some reason, when people get adrenal fatigue, their cycles switch around, and they can get low cortisol much of the day, and high cortisol that really kicks in around 9pm.
Many of us end up staying up too late because that's the only time we have energy to get anything done, and then that continues the fatigue cycle.
So if you had a blood test done between 3-6pm, it might be showing low cortisol, but wouldn't be showing what your cortisol is doing at night.
I find the saliva tests to be more accurate, because they sample throughout the day.
So in my opinion it is possible that you have high cortisol at night that could respond to adrenal support supplements, including phospatidyl serine.
If you don't want to buy another supplement, soy lecithin has some of this in it, and you can add it to your protein shakes. It could help.
I've also heard of people getting better sleep from taking extra L-Tyrosene, but if you drink lots of whey protein, you probably already get plenty of that.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Sixgoofykids,
I just wanted to ask have your cortisol levels tested low since starting the bionic treatment or do you know if it was low before? Also did you have a blood, saliva or urine test for your cortisol levels? What are you taking to support your adrenal glands?
Just to let you know that phos serine is used for high cortisol, its not recommended for low cortisol as it will lower cortisol levels, but if your cortisol levels are low in the morning but high at night it is a good thing to take phos serine at night to help you sleep and to help bring your cortisol curve back to the normal rhythmn, if that makes sense?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't recall if I had tests done for adrenal issues. I do have the typical adrenal type issues as mentioned - ie: feeling bad in the AM & better at night.
I had a hard time sleeping for a while & had bad insomnia. I was taking Ambien for a while which helped but I didn't want to become dependent on it. So, I stopped.
Since I started the full Cowden protocol back in April (I think), I noticed that my sleeping cycle got much better. I still stay up late, probably, more out of habit now. I've always been a night person.
I think it was the Nutramedix Adrenal Support which helped. I'm doing the full protocol so there may be a synergistic reaction between the other tinctures but the Adrenal Support is specifically for the adrenals.
(PS - in case people want to know... I'm doing the full Cowden protocol now until we move. I needed to take something to keep working on the Lyme from getting worse without incurring a major herx or something unexpected.
I'm going to go back to experimenting with the LightWorks after this is all over with & we are settled in a new location - which should be sometime next month.)
Thanks to everyone who is posting their results with the Bionic 880 or other infrared device. We need to keep gathering info so we can upgrade the treatments for everyone. (Everyone who is interested - that is...)
I know some people are sticklers about going to see a doctor who is qualified but not everyone has that option. By sharing your info & treatment - we can all learn &, hopefully, work on getting well in our own ways.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I just read an interesting article in the site that sells monolaurin.
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Bacterial Spreading Mechanism Identified
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Byron's Comments: An imporant clue in the nature of bacterial infection.
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Study Title: In decision to grow, bacteria follow the crowd.
When it comes to the decision to wake up and grow, bacterial spores ``listen in'' to find out what their neighbors are doing and then they follow the crowd, according to a new report in the October 31st issue of the journal Cell, a Cell Press publication. Although there is still a lot to learn about how this process works, the discovery could lead to a new kind of antimicrobial agent that works not by killing active bacteria, but by keeping dormant bacteria--which typically resist traditional antibiotics--inactive.
The researchers show that the spores of a soil-dwelling bacteria can sense the presence of so-called muropeptide fragments released from the cell walls of other growing bacteria. Those muropeptides act as powerful germinants, stimulating the spores to exit the safety of their dormant state and make a go of it.
As other bacteria, including those responsible for diseases like tuberculosis and staph infection, harbor a version of the receptor responsible for this ability in the bacteria under study, the researchers said they think the mechanism they've uncovered will prove to be universal.
``[From the bacteria's perspective,] dormancy is a great state,'' said Jonathan Dworkin of Columbia University. ``They are invulnerable to antibiotics. If you keep them in that state, you can't kill them but they don't grow either. Antibiotics usually kill bacteria by preventing some essential process, but if an antibiotic instead kept dormant bacteria from emerging, it would be essentially like killing them.'' They'd be stuck in a state of suspended animation.
In the new study, the researchers found that muropeptides derived from cultures of growing cells stimulate the germination of dormant Bacillus subtilis spores. Diverse bacteria can serve as the source for those muropeptide molecules, but the key is a single amino acid ingredient, they found.
The spores ability to receive the signal depends on a eukaryotic-like Ser/Thr membrane kinase receptor (PrkC). Indeed, a small molecule known to stimulate related kinases is sufficient to spark the activity of the sleeping spores. Another small molecule called staurosporine, which inhibits related kinases, also prevents spores from activating in the presence of muropeptide.
Dworkin noted that the immune systems of animals recognize the presence of foreign invaders in a similar way, by detecting chains of muropeptide (called peptidoglycans).
`` The recognition of peptidoglycans is central to innate immunity,'' he said. ``This shows that bacteria do a similar thing, but for different reasons.'' His team is anxious to understand the details better to make the comparison to the immune system as ``there may be deep similarities.''
In addition to the promise for a new type of antibiotic medication, the news may stand to benefit the food industry.
Bacterial spores are also a significant problem for food preservation, Dworkin said, because they can withstand heat sterilization. ``If the food industry could find ways to control spore germination, that may be just as good as killing them,'' he said.
### The researchers include I****a M. Shah, Columbia University, New York, NY; Maria-Halima Laaberki, Columbia University, New York, NY; David L. Popham,Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA; and Jonathan Dworkin, Columbia University, New York, NY.
Study Information: In decision to grow, bacteria follow the crowd. 2008 October
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Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bejoy and all on Sanum:
the mucor racemosus and aspergillus niger treatment will go be going for a lomg time for most of us, I think. They will wax and wane with other pathogens, I suppose.
For me, the change on products is felt in a matter of days, so I don't know how you guys without testing kits at home can do to improve fast. Very similar to lyme and coinfections treatment, but products change faster.
Dr. K. suggests about 9 months of treatment is required to control yeast / candida / fungi with Sanum.
Bee venom ointment, I had at home but I didn't test good for it (bought one in dr. K.'s institute). I tried to use on muscle pains in the latest borrelia awakening, but it just didn't work for me. What worked better for muscle pain and killing of borrelia there were essential oils, like peppermint, eucalyptus and Farahs' recipies...
Different people, different solutions! --------
Bob, your PM box was full! thanks for the monolaurin site, if I don't find it here, I'll buy from it to try.
did you compare your two biotensors? I wonder what do you think, sincerely....
---- Grace, congrats on sleeping well! Hope to see you then in Feb!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle,
My naturpath can test L-forms, don't know about blebs... But my doctor says, testing for herbs or killers for borrelia and cysts is more precise than muscle testing these borrelia or L-forms themselves. Meaning, if I test for Samento or Noni, I have lots of chance that I still have active borrelia or cysts testing.
But no one will ever know for sure in any type of test. Dr. W. still asks patients to come back to keep borrelia in check. So not even the Bicom or any device can be 100% acurate.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. I know I have zillions of dormant stuff inside me. Even things coming from my mother, I keep discovering things one after the other with these Sanum tests.
Specially on the Polysan series of remedies.
So I don't expect to get rid of everything, all the zillions of critters and antibodies. I just want my body to take a rest to fight continuous infections one after the other for decades, be them borrelia and coinfections, parasites, or in my case now, a series of candida and fungi.
I suspect I fell so sick with TBIs so fast because I have been fighting multiple fungal-candida infections for decades before.
I guess (just a guess) it is AS DIFFICULT to get rid of borrelia as it is to get rid of mucor racemosus and aspergilus niger forever. Levels can fall down, critters get dormant, but they will eventually come back.
We can't just think that full elimination of everything is possible. For me, I'll consider my war won when these critters get dormant for longer than 1 year, without continuous treatment. I'm still far from it though...
I just read that mycobacterium tuberculosis bovis becomes symptomatic in immunosupressive people, the example is always, e.g. HIV positive ones... Well, I have it active again. I suspect it became active during lyme. Lyme is gone, but Myc bovis not...
so borrelia is not all our problems...
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
hi brussels,
given how you serious you think mucor & asp. niger are, would you mind giving me some input on why mucor didn't test at all for me, and asp. niger was much lower on the totem pole than asp. fumigatus when I was in germany and not showing up now either? Of course, i'm using the biotensor to ask right now. I'll ask my muscle tester to test for these too just to verify.
fyi, I was able to move onto heavy metals from Candida with the bionic after 2 treatments. Granted I may have to return to it later, but that's def shorter than I predicted given its severity
-joey
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- mailbox is receiving again thanks for the heads up
Anyone been concentrating at all on liver function. Many of the treatments we apply depend on a healthy liver. After getting rid of many of the main pathogens and feeling much better. I've been concentrating there.
I'm curious if anyone has honed in on liver function as a whole. If the liver is putting out enough bile it aids the immune system to function normally.
When your peeling the layers of the onion, the liver is an organ to pay quite a bit of attention to!
I think as an after bionic treatment is to do a liver clease. Insure the biliary tubes are clear and functioning. Many of the supplements and food we eat may contain dioxins, pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, insectacides not being cleared by the liver due to congestion. The bionic or any good LED might help in the process of healing and reinvigorating the liver. I'm guessing due to the work of NASA, we know cellular creation and regeneration is stimulated with LEDs.
Just trying to make sure the liver is a priority in everyones thoughts. It is the main detoxification organ, and if its not doing its job sufficiently it affect the kidneys, bladder, pancreas and thymus ... and possibly the thyroid. Not to mention the immune response when pathogens are creating havoc.
Since I've been concentrating on the liver my metabolism is improving. Gee, I wonder if there is a correlation?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
after the bionic treatment, many of our livers test for blockage--along with kidney and lymphatics according to ART and tensor testing.
I take the pekana big three detoxification kit religiously after treatments. Since I was without it today, I tested for burbur immediately after treatment for heavy metals.
point is, absolutely bob. And it's my strong opinion that the bionic is not sufficient for detox. It's a "push" therapy, so it stimulates immunity instantaneously & also regulates hormones, but in the process sems to gives the detox organs too much pathogen die-off & released toxins to handles unless we have considerable liver, kidney, & lympathic support in place.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Bejoy, I had the saliva adrenal test spanning the whole day. Mine were pretty fatigued across the board.
I do take a lot of whey protein. I've tried various natural things - 5 HTP, L- Tryptophan, Valerian Root, Melatonin .... all of them together, LOL .... and they just didn't work.
I am getting by now on a little less than I was. Hopefully that will get better as I get rid of other infections.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by shimmy: Hi Sixgoofykids,
I just wanted to ask have your cortisol levels tested low since starting the bionic treatment or do you know if it was low before? Also did you have a blood, saliva or urine test for your cortisol levels? What are you taking to support your adrenal glands?
I have not had it tested since the bionic. I had it tested by saliva in the beginning of Lyme treatment. I am guessing it's better now because I'm awake in the morning and sleepy at night for the first time in years. Hubby teases me about being a morning person now, LOL.
I'm not taking anything now during photon treatment except the bare minimum - iron, mag, thyroid and my sleep meds. I did feel the need for some adrenal support the other day and took Xymogen Adrenal Essence.
quote: Just to let you know that phos serine is used for high cortisol, its not recommended for low cortisol as it will lower cortisol levels, but if your cortisol levels are low in the morning but high at night it is a good thing to take phos serine at night to help you sleep and to help bring your cortisol curve back to the normal rhythmn, if that makes sense?
Yes it does. Thanks.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hi Bob. It was interesting, all of us who ART tested in Germany after the Bionic tested positive for a sluggish liver .... clogged liver .... can't remember the term.
I ART tested that burbur would help the problem. I also tested that I really liked coffee enemas (shocker, LOL). So, I'm still doing the enemas a couple times per week and using the burbur as I remember (it's harder to remember now that I'm not taking much).
I've always felt better with the enemas, which are great for the liver. I also take whey protein to be sure I have the building blocks for glutathione production, which is stimulated by the enemas.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
After you guys get done with the liver cleanse. You have some rebuilding to do. Especially organs, you'll want to test for rebuilding and strengthening the liver and the kidneys. Milk thistle is one there are many others.
One area which I'm working with is the end of the spine with bee venom ointment, farahs oils, and an MSM cream. Test for it a week after all cleanses had finished if you've had any leg pains. Do it as long as you test for it. It will remove some of the inflammation.
Good luck with the house cleaning... Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Thanks for your reply Sixgoofy,
Yes it does sound like your adrenals are improving from what you say, thats really interesting and great news. I have the same problem I am tired in the morning but more energy at night and last time I had my saliva cortisol measured it was below the chart! So it will be interesting to see if my cortisol levels improve too once I start treatment.
From what I read the photon therapy is also supposed to normalise cortisol levels if they are too high or too low but I guess as it is getting rid of the infections the adrenals should start to function properly just from that.
Thanks again take care,
Anne
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Joey, I'm not sure what it means, but it seems that these two critters are on the top of the chain, meaning, when you start seeing them as the main focus of treatment, you'll be going direction end of treating fungi-candida, according to Sanum.
If you still are not concentrating much on them, it probably means you got other things to clean before? I guess it's a bit like borrelia, when you start to concentrate only on borrelia on normal treatments (NOT with the Bionic), it probably means that's the last critter to treat in tick born coinfections. The others are dormant already or dead.
At least, that's what I understood from dr. K's view. And that is EXACTLY what happened to me quite a few times and few reinfections. Borrelia was always the last of the critters to get dormant (sometimes together with bartonela, in my case). I attacked borrelia all the way, but one by one, every coinfection gets dormant, but still borrelia is there. Until there's only borrelia to treat. Then it's finally gone too.
I am not sure if this is true for asp niger and mucor racemosus, though, but it is the way Sanum treatments are described. I'll see if I find some info in the internet.
It seems that when finally the level of these two critters fall or get under control (that are usually the last ones to go according to Sanum), the person is then healthy. Not before.
I repeat that I don't know yet if this is true, that is just how Sanum people think of disease / health.
And they do include treatment of precancerous phases, treatment of tumors (they think of any good or bad tumor as being usually caused by pathogens, if I understood well, usually of yeast and fungal origins)... so I guess when they say 'healthy' means something in a much higher level than what we usually think of healthy.
Guys who developed Sanum products they have loads of lab tests done and lots of papers published...
I'll get to you all later, as I have some work to do.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I had terrible problems to sleep, but mine were mostly due to high load of infections. After entering on Buhner and dealing with babesia, I guess my night terrors finished and so insomnia...
JOEY, do you mean, you are testing free for ALL candidas and heavy metals after 2 treatments? It sounds too good to be true}
Do you use Burbur often? Are you also on chlorella and milk thistle?
BOB, yes, definitively, the four main systems to look into are liver, kidney, intestines and lymph. I-m taking a combo of 10 Chinese herbs for my liver about 4 times a day, since I started on this combo, Milk thistle never tested anymore. I feel my liver loves it better.
Does Burbur clean loose heavy metals MORE than the duo chlorella + bear garlic? Can anyone compare?
So far, I could never spend more than a day in the last years without chlorella and bear garlic tincture... They test a few times a day and prevent herxes.
I start wondering how burbur would compare to these cleansers...
As for cavitations, I took them off more than a year ago. As I told before, Xrays showed nothing, but when the teeth were pulled out, they had plenty of infection seen by a naked eye.
My dentist, who was the 4th to take xrays and confirm he saw nothing on them, was soo surprised to find pockets of pus under my pulled teeth. I wonder what ozone injections could do to bad infections and if the effect would be long lasting...
When did you get your ozone Bob?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- I had it all done this year by a very good biological dentist. He said my TMJ was very bad, this was based on experience and energetic testing. He used enegetic testing via ART to determine the location of the injections. In the years he has been doing them, he's only had one he had to retreat. Ozone is fabulous for treating cavitations in my opinion.
The last one he did caused me to have lock jaw for about 8 weeks. It was very toxic, it took a great while for me to get my jaw working normally. Years of way to much amalgam in my mouth caused part of the infections. Sometimes you have to suffer a bit for the treatment to work as we all know.
Right now I'm working on viruses. Just a lot of noni, mangosteen, lightworks treating with blood.
Viruses are interesting critters, we sometimes inherit them. Lyme somehow creates an environment in which they thrive. So getting rid of them is a bit of challenge. I suspect the bionic would do an outstanding job of it. I think GiGi pointed out in other posts to use live blood.
I feel like I'm getting at a very good point where I don't test to need binders of any kind any longer. My own body is now able to detoxify on its own.
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
Selma- I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Dr. W told us two of the vials were live - both German and American strain. I don't how that works but I do know they don't leave his office with the other vials we bring home.
Ocean and Angelica - thank you for the kind words regarding my granddaughter. I've been out of town for a few days, hence the late thank you.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Hopefully those two vials never get opened!! Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Look into page 2 of the article above, it explains a bit the cycle of diseases as seen by Sanum people.
I don't know if this is totally true, but there had been lots of scientific publications based on the works of Enderlein.
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Nana, thanks, I will try to test them then!
I just kept wondering how does dr. W. keep them alive in his office or if he cultures them somewhere or buy them fresh all the time? That's why. I'm just wondering. I'll certainly 'ask' the vial myself when I get there!!
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Bob, funny you were on Noni. Me too, it helped me NOW like a miracle once more, that was the missing herb for my Mycobacterium tb bovis. Now it's going into dormant again, I am waiting for the next client then to show up! I'm just wondering who...
What I find wonderful with Noni is that it tests strong for a few days, it solves the problem then it just stops testing and I don't test for it for very long, until it shows up again as a life saviour!
Viruses getting alive, I also had that on and on again....
Is it only me or everyone on DAILY energetic tests CHANGE treatments (amount or herbs-supplements) every single day??
thanks for explaining about ozone
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
quote:I think GiGi pointed out in other posts to use live blood.
It is not a good idea to use your own blood unless you know what you are doing and can test well. Dr. W. warns about using it. Common sense tells me it may contain substances that I am not aware of and that I would not want to treat at a certain time or the body is not able to deal with at a certain time. Medical intervention may be required -- he warns.
The original bacteria that is applied together with the different potency nosodes of Borrelia burg. are an energetic copy of an original sterilized bacteria of afzelli and burgdorferi. This is my understanding of it.
When metals move, viruses are released. That is my understanding.
Take care.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I concur with GiGi in that I am not planning to treat with blood for quite awhile.
I think a good analogy is having an army (photons) and telling them to go complete a specific mission (a nosode) or just telling them "hey fix every problem that we have identified" (blood).
The soldiers (photons) then run in all different directions and are not coordinated in what they are trying to do in the body. In the end, I think a focused, targeted attack is the most likely to produce a clear result.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Treating blood seems to be my final step. I've removed most of the infections, I test negative for almost all things lyme, metals, candida, fungi, yeasts, pesticides, chemicals, herbicides, fungicides. I'm going to try it for a couple of more days working with the tensor. It basically leading me in that direction.
I don't test for binders, feel very untoxic right now. There are viruses we've inherited at birth. Some of those become active or are trigger later in life.
I used my own blood last night with the lightworks for 1 minute on each accu point. It was all I was allowed to do.
What other precautions should I be concerned with. And thank you for the concern, I wouldn't want to be too hasty. Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
hey brussels,
thanks for all the info.
no i didn't say that i'm testing free of metals. candida is not the main problem now, metals are. Again, who knows what will show up after I'm done treating the metals. i've treated metals 3 days in a row, and the tensor tells me to keep going.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by NanaDubo: Selma- I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Dr. W told us two of the vials were live - both German and American strain. I don't how that works but I do know they don't leave his office with the other vials we bring home.
That is why only doctors can have them in Germany and only Labs that meet certain qualifications can have them in the US.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Joey, do you treat heavy metals in the exact points used in treating borrelia?
Did you get these heavy metals vials here in Germany (the box with about 20 vials or so?).
I was thinking to do a metal detox with the BIONIC before going to dr. W. I wouldn't like to spend loads of money in the vials of metals, but I guess I have to. Then I could just go to the practioner I talked who could borrow his Bionic to me and do it by myself with the heavy metal vials.
I just don't know where to apply light.
As for the solar plexus, I've seen so many differnt locations for it in the internet, I wonder if this is on the upper part of the belly button, on the belly button exactly, or below it or somewhere else totally different?
I think I can trust my own muscle tests and I am sure I could do a trial to detox metals before seeing dr. W. to treat me for borrelia. I'll be sure to get a box of MSM before though as I'm deadly afraid of floating metals.
Could you please send me a PM or post here if the points to apply light are the same as dr. W. used for borrelia?
are you 'herxing' loads on flushing metals off?
Thanks for any info.
---- Thanks Gigi for the answer, I think it sounds more credible to my brain, that he uses imprints of borrelia ( a bit what someone here said, Bejoy??), and not live swimming critters that need to be fed!
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Selma, three finger width's below the bra is where the vials go .... so when you do the place below the vials, it is barely above your navel.
I am also waiting to treat with blood. Dr. W told me that when I finally do treat with it, to start at 25% power, see how I react, then a few days later, try 50%, and so on until 100% power.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Scott, thanks for the explanation, the image of how the Bionic works looks a bit clearer to me!!
How would you treat then, for example, candida albicans with the Bionic? With a testing nosode with real candida inside (but dead), similar to what the homeopaths call the 'mother tincture' or only with energetic or frequency imprints (similar to what Bejoy posted some time ago?).
Could you send me a PM if you don't want to share the info here? Thanks again.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Six, great!!
So it's on the stomach point for the Chinese- exact middle point between belly buttton and stern bone (Sp?). Exactly where dr.K. tests for stomach!
Well, one problem is done then! Next are points to use light for detoxing metals...
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I don't have PM enabled. You can email me directly Brussels. Thanks
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
Hey Bob- Please be careful with the blood. Dr. W told me the last person who insisted on using it to treat babesia wound up in the hospital.
You're one of the few people on here who I can chat with about the Red Sox so I'd appreciate it if you stayed well!!
Sounds like your feeling really terrific and I'm so glad!!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Thanks nanadubo and GiGi for your concern. You are such good friends. Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I treated babesia and erlichia yesterday. Went well, still feel good today. Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Sixgoofy,
How did you treat the babs and ehrlichiosis. Do you have nosodes? Did you use spit or blood?
Hiker53
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Nosodes Posted by jl123 (Member # 15594) on :
Does anyone here know if Gold is a safe material to use for dental work- my bio dentist says most everyone tests well for it? thanks, JL
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Don't use gold if you have any amalgams, it can cause a galvanic reaction which makes the mercury release even more from the amalgams into your system.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
The consensus has always been that more people are allergic to gold than to other metals. Melisa are often present at Dr. K. conferences. I was highly allergic to some of the gold alloys and so was my husband. These reactions are often not discovered until troubles start and/or disease sets in. All had to be removed for us to survive. Any allergic reaction to any of the restorative materials in the mouth put the body under immense stress constantly.
You may want to explore the Melisa website - you will find a lot of information.
It pays to have any material and the combined materials tested before installation before you spend all that money and before it is too late.
Take care.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
My update on light and nosodes:
Currently clear of Bb and symptoms. I've seen this twice before, so I don't trust it permanently, but I'll keep a close eye on it. I hit it pretty heavy with long Lightworks sessions and LYM in a vial over the last two weeks.
Currently I'm on nosodes for a strep and two fungals. I test for treating with those on alternate days.
Seems I need plenty of work on mycoplasma still, but I have yet to locate the exact culprit. There is always time...
Also got diagnosed with Hashimoto's today (autoimmune thyroid.) I got a homeopathic preparation made from a test vial for it, and will treat for it as for an allergy elimination by lighting the gates and spine. Makes sense in my mind. We'll see what happens.
In addition, I am learning more about the specific genetic markers that inhibit some people from eliminating certain toxins. Looks like I probably have the markers for difficulty with sulfur.
So as for my use of MSM, I will need to add some products to encourage the sulphur elimination, or risk build up. I'll post more on this as I learn.
I'll be away until next week, unless I come up with network access. Have a good one.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
NutraMedix Sparga for sulphur elimination
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
How are you feeling Six? Hopefully herxes are under control??
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I use gold, I tested bad for almost all gold alloys, except one recommnded by my doctor.
There's no pure gold so I guess there's lots of problems in testing the other components in the alloy.
So far, no problem.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I'm feeling great! Thanks for asking. My next flare up isn't due till next week, so hopefully that will be reduced since I'm treating babesia now.
I'm in the 90% range. I feel no symptoms really, just a little dragged down (very little), but that could be still recovering from this cold .... it seems to linger for at least two weeks in non-Lymies.
I am sleeping about 9 hours per night .... I was only sleeping 7-8 hours .... don't know what significance that has.
The irises of my eyes have changed dramatically since I started photon treatment. If you know anything about iridology, the scurf rim is disappearing (it's an indicator of toxins). Even my kids can see the change, so it's quite obvious.
I'm not really having herxes from treatment anymore.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Six, it sounds promising!! I hope you are dealing with babesia really and no herxing with babs treatment looks like a dream for me. I had the most awful herxes ever with babesia!
Maybe you are just tired due to cold? If you can sleep 9 hours, great. My daughter wakes me up everytime the same time, so I can't. I envy who can sleep longer!
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Bejoy, sorry to hear about Hashimoto... I guess all lyme sufferers get problems with the thyroid in a moment or another. Have you looked into babesia ? I know babesia affected my thyroid most than other critters.
---- Bob, I'll answer you soon, a bit busy lately, with our company. And my daughter caught an awful virus in her tummy and we're having unhappy days lately... Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Six, great news that you are doing so well. I wonder if your increased need for sleep is because your body is in repair mode?
Even though the bugs are gone, the damage they have done is still there and the body needs to do a lot of work which is mostly done when we sleep.
I was told that when major changes take place that the body requires a period of adjustment or "settling in" as it processes a new way of functioning.
Does that make any sense?
Thanks so much for your continual updates and honesty. The body's ability to heal through the use of photons is very interesting and I hope more research is done on this.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Selma, yes, babs herxes were always horrible for me, too. I think that when the Lyme load was taken away, my body dealt with the babs a lot on its own. The first week or so in Germany I had bad sweats every night and hadn't had those in a while. Since I've been back, even before babs treatment, my air hunger has almost completely gone away.
I am treating it just to be sure and because I am still flaring two days per month, even though the flares are not significant anymore.
Fortunately my kids are a bit older so they don't have to wake me up before school. The younger ones prefer when I wake up at 7:30 so I can see them off, but I've been sleeping till about 8:30 lately.
It could very well have to do with the cold. I'm not as dragged down from it as I was, but I still have a horrible cough, so it's still not 100% gone. I was so scared Lyme symptoms were coming back, I asked my husband about 1000 times - "Fatigued is normal for a cold, right?" He'd assure me, yes, you feel sick when you're sick, LOL.
It could also be healing. I had thought of that looking. I seem to be doing a lot of detoxing as well. Some of the sinus problems could be detox I guess. Also, I tend to stink sometimes, LOL, so my skin must be detoxing because it's not normal for me and I do shower every day! I have some skin rashes and breakouts, too.
All in all, I feel great! I've been busy and able to keep up with everything I'm doing, and still cook dinner for the family in the evening.
I've had several people tell me lately that I look different .... mainly that I look like I have energy. One told me that she saw me at church before I went and I looked like I wanted to give up .... then she saw me when I got back and I looked like I had energy and was happy.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Six, hope you are feeling better from your cold. Anyway, it sounds great you didn't herx too much from babs so far!
For you people treating with the Bionic (or LW) at home, I wonder if once the treatment is done (example, babesia, candida albicans) for a couple of times with nosodes, if anyone had to retreat the same critter again.
My question goes for difficult critters like mucor racemosus and other candida species. Has anyone seen these difficult to eliminate critters coming back again ? Or they really go after a couple of treatments like borrelia goes?
As I'm only treating with the normal homeopathy-herbal approach, I continue on the eternal cycle of treating one bug, seeing another in waiting line, then another, then the first one shows up again and so on.
Another question to all who do energetic tests is concerning jojoba oil rubbed on skin (or in the gums). It tests as a good detoxifier and as metal chelator. After rubbing it on my soles or cheek, or on my tummy, I feel extremely relaxed, the skin gets sooo soft (the flesh gets soft). If anyone tests it, I would like to know what you will find about it.
Thanks for any info.
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
For those who have done the bionic treatment, have any of you been retested in blood work to see if the antibodies for Bb or other viruses are still present after testing negetive energentically for Lyme and co.? This would be good info for other LLMD's to have when evaluating the treatment's efficacy for those of us doing the bionic.
Any thoughts?
LP
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Thanks, Selma. One of my kids was just complaining the other day how this cold was lingering on and I'm finding the same with me. It didn't drag me down though.
Sorry LP, my LLMD goes by symptoms, so no additional tests were done when I got back.
Posted by zombie_mummy (Member # 17402) on :
Those of you who went to Germany for treatment and came home with a Bionic 880 machine:
Did you buy the machine before heading over, or did you decide to buy it once you got there and had a few treatment sessions?
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
You coordinate the purchase through the practitioner when you get there.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I've done some blood work after returning and initial results look very good. I will post specifics in a couple of months if the trends continue.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: You coordinate the purchase through the practitioner when you get there.
Yes, this is what I did. It's the easiest way.
Posted by zombie_mummy (Member # 17402) on :
quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: You coordinate the purchase through the practitioner when you get there.
Thanks Scott and Six. Could you please tell us what payment methods are accepted?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Cash, bank transfer, credit card.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
As far as co-infections go:
The "protocol" for Rife therapy (using sound i.e., frequencies) recommends to run a "general program" FIRST to rid all old vaccines and other common infections that most of us encounter before running the lyme frequencies (although 432Hz is included in the list and is run initially for ONLY ONE MINUTE).
Which makes sense. The numerous pathogens within us are all competing for OUR nutrients.
I think the pertussis vaccine is very/especially problematic.(DPT vaccine). (You can request this part of the vaccine is NOT given to your kids.)Research it.
I would "equate" this with removing some of the "enemy soldiers" until we can truly REACH/get at the "leader of the pack", destroy him, and then process HIS toxins
IF you chose to go the "Rife route" (which looks to be effective, but not AS fast as the far infrared therapy).
Our liver and kidneys can only handle so much so fast. When pathogens are destroyed, these 2 organs have to process the "toxins" released.
You WILL shut down your kidneys if you "Rife" too often, too long, too fast.
However, most Rx. antibiotics can, and do, destroy most pathogens (and so do our OWN antibodies!) if given the "ability" to do so (which means we need sufficient nutrients to MAKE our antibodies).
We are "microbe hotels". The germs far outnumber even our own cells. Some are good and needed, others are bad.
432 Hz (Rife frequency) looks to equate to 632nM (color wavelength) which looks to be the color red - compared to the "more penetrating" far infrared, 880nM.
I think this also is why sending frequencies thru an argon light (blue gas - for depth of penetration reasons!) is "faster". These are the much more expensive Rife units.
There are some very strange websites when one tries to compare/understand the relationships between frequencies (Rife - Hz) and color wavelengths (far infrared 880nM and others). For example:
Far infrared, 880nM, looks to be the fastest route to destroy Bb...not the only route (for sure!),but a fast and effective one, IMO.
I vote for "photon transfer", but I also feel it is very important to restore Mg and sublingual B6 too...near the timing of the infrared treatments.
Raise the extracellular level of Mg and THEN do a far infrared treatment.
Benicar works too...stop the cholesterol pathway, but that drug scares me.
Hyperbaric helps by virtue of lowering glutamate, but those treatments are not "approved" and unless you win the lottery...out of financial reach.
There IS more than one way to destroy this pathogen and regain your health.
Never, ever forget that.
Tetracycline binds calcium...and that is good, but not enough.
It appears we need to TEMPORARILY block a channel that allows
Ca AND Na
into the cells.
Which is what the photon animation I linked, shows.
Posted by jam338 (Member # 14002) on :
For what is worth, I think those who have journeyed to Germany for treatment and have graciously shared their experiences with us are heroic and a blessing. Please let NOTHING stop you from posting about your insights.
Know that many of us are following your posts with respect, keen interest, and so much gratitude to all of you.
Please remember that there will always be naysayers about anything. That is just the way of mankind. However, it is through sharing of ALL experiences that may help us to find our own pathway. Hopefully each of us will find a treatment that will improve our quality of life.
There is no right or wrong. Everyone's unique chemistry can respond differently to all treatment.
If one treatment approach worked for all then none of us would be here praying and searching for possible options.
Keep posting, and thank you for sharing your experiences with us!!!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Jam, nice to know other people are reading about these light experiments!
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Marnie, thanks for your insight and tips on B6 and Mg! Are you a Rife user or use any 880nm light instrument?
For certain, killing-only is not the way, I'm with you! Thanks for remembering us that the number of our cells are inferior to our 'guests'cells '!!
I know I'm full of living creatures, that's no doubt. And full of antibodies of bygone critters, and some create symptoms too. I start to see myself as a CEO of my own zillions of cells plus my guests and the garbage they left (or my garbage)! At least, I'm trying to be the CEO, but they don't always follow!!!!
Bb is not my problem for the moment. I'm still fighting other unwelcome guests though.
I think the Chinese have something to teach us too, with their crazy theories of dampness, cold, weak Qi and so on, so I started balancing my diet on that recently. Meaning, not only eating healthy (as I had done for years...) but eating as therapy.
I'm having very positive results with Chinese mixes of herbs for different things for quite some time (balancing the liver, balancing my eyes (!), elimination of stuck fluids), plus accupressure... Their knowledge on plants always amazes me.
The Bionic or other ligth devices used in Chinese meridians to transport light made me also think of these end-points of meridians as chanels to go deeper inside us. I guess not only light, but also substances can be pumped in through these 'holes' (moxibustion has done that for centuries).
Energetic tests always showed me how these 'holes' are open to receive, for example, essential oils. I am, for example, now treating both toxins and pathogens through these holes on my belly (rubbing tee tree oil and jojoba for cleaning). During lyme, I was also rubbing oils on a daily base, and they helped me immensely in the toughest times.
Killing is certainly the easiest part of any protocol, in my opinion. I have said that before, even when my lyme was active. I guess, to find a good killer takes me 2-10% of my time and treatment, the rest is the real treatment! It's massive.
I guess though, when lyme and co-infections are active, we have little time available to do other things than killing and fast symptom relief. At least, that was my case.
Now that lyme is not active again, I have more time to do the OTHER parts and concentrate on absolutely everthing I ingest or rub, on foot baths, exercising, balancing meridians...
That could be the good point if people after the Bionic get rid really of borrelia. They could then go then for what is important.
I'm delighted to see that Scott is out of abx after so many years on them. That all of those dozens (or hundreds, in his case! ) of supplements and treatments before couldn't help him to wean from abx as the Bionic did. It's in his site, betterhealthguy.com for the ones who would like to read.
Let's see how everyone will react with the time though. I guess 6 months after treatment would be a good period for everyone to make a report on their condition. Hopefully, some of you will still retest with Igenex to 'show' in numbers what their progress meant.
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
Brussels, your comment about bygone critters - absolutely!
They do produce symptoms of their own as the dead ones recirculate. How to get rid of everything - takes time I guess.
I can trace back to the last route canal I had done and see the real noticeable decline in my health. Thinking about the ones I had that were even older makes my skin crawl!
They are out now and I think my immune system is already saying thank you but still having to work extra hard to deal with that mess.
So yes, the process continues. Knock out lyme with the bionic and then keep cleaning up the mess. Thankfully biophotons can help with that too.
Posted by Gabrielle (Member # 5329) on :
quote: I know of one Brit has been to Germany too and has reported positively on her treatment
If this report is from Debbie on EuroLyme then she is identical to Nanadubo here on this board.
Posted by jen30 (Member # 17745) on :
I have been following this a little bit and was wondering...is the bionic supposed to kill all of the lyme, including the cyst form? I am assuming yes but you know what assuming does! Thanks for everyone's time.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Jen,
The answer is "NO"! The bionic 880nm kills no bacteria at all.
But are all forms of lyme eradicated from the body. The answer is "YES"! The bionic works by revitalising the cells that are dysfunctional. Once the cells are functional again, the cell has it's own defense mechanism and will expell invaders such as the cyst, l_form, spirochete forms of lyme. Once expelled the cell has its own immune weaponry call nitrous oxide and will kill the invader. If the invader somehow gets away it is spotted by the immune system and thumped.
So it is the immune system doing the killing, the bionic with the nosodes identifies the invaders.
Here's another thought, use MMS/freeze dried garlic combo plus the bionic instead of nosodes. MMS and freeze dried garlic are the killers and the bionic expels the bacteria. This approach might just get bartonella and lyme simultaneously.
We still don't know enough about the weapons we have right now in how best to get rid of pathogens.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Dr W believes that most supplements negatively impact the photons and in some cases, takes the patient of all of supplements. Others may continue based on his guidance or testing. In my case, I did not. I stopped all except thyroid and melatonin. So it is hard to say if MMS and garlic with photons would be good or not but I suspect that photons without nosodes would not work nearly as well.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I suspect when Dr W. put his protocol together he needed to create a predictable environment with in each person he treated. Supplements deviate that environment in extraordinary ways. I believe MMS wasn't on the horizon when Dr. W. created his protocol. I also believe MMS is an extremely powerful lyme killer. However, I don't think MMS gets at all forms if hidden inside our cells or tissues.
When the LLMDs can up to speed on all this we may have some brand new protocols to think about. So, I believe that light and the right supplements might also erradicate lyme instead of using nosodes.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I have to agree with Scott.
The light works on a different level than the supplements. The nosodes are the "roadmap" for the immune system. Without the nosodes, the immune system might not be directed to the Lyme/bart at all. Light works on an energetic level. Supplements on a chemical level. One is chemistry, the other physics.
I understand the thought, but the two might not have a synergistic effect.
Of course, it is all speculation for all of us.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
As with green laser treatments, dr. K. uses supplements too, but what works FAR better are homeopathic preparations. With green laser, the effect of homeopathy is somehow increased and he says the body absorbs more than if ingested.
Maybe because homeopathy is not chemical (except for being water)...
I tried many times using rizols or other normal supplements with green laser, no, I prefer to ingest them.
I haven't done much homeopathy though to compare...
With the Photon Wave too (light frequencies through the eyes), what became 'standard' now are using nosodes with light, not chemical substances.
so the practioner tests patients for certain forms of mercury, for example, and uses these nosodes on a plexi-glass in front of the light that will reach the eye. Same as with vaccines, borrelia nosodes, etc...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
NanaDubo, if you are able to test pathogens in the root of your teeth (even the good ones, that once got amalgams...), you'll be amazed to see what you may still find.
Thanks for the article. We pay for dentists to make us sick, we pay again for them to correct what they did...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think this scientist was the first to research the idea of using biophotonics with homeopathy:
There are many aspects in homeopathy and other energy medicines that are poorly understood by science.
This paper deals with the use of biophotonics to give a probable explanation about the modus operandi of homeopathic medicines.
Starting with the understanding that all living organisms are 'energy bodies', the author has discussed latest research findings in the field of biophotonics, kirlian technology, memory of water, bioluminicence and piezoelectric phenomenon to give a new understanding about energy medicine and transfer of 'therapeutic' information through homeopathic remedies and other forms of energy medicine.
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After I started using infrared light - I didn't feel the need to use much supplementation. I stopped almost everything for a couple of months.
Maybe it's good to alternate? Periods of time using the light & homeopathics with periods of using supplements? I don't know. I have to experiment with it further.
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Has anyone had depression lifted or gone after using the bionic 880 ? Would love to know how any of the neuro symptoms are after treatment.
Lymeparfait
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Up for lymeparfait...
---- Another very interesting company producing ONLY homeopathics for detoxing. HEEL.
I'm using only one of their products, called Ubichinon, and having amazing results... I'm taking it orally, not through injections (as recommended by my naturopath), but it still works well. I wonder how these products would work with photon therapy..
I first heard of Heel through my ART practioner. She combines both Sanum and Heel.
Heel looks wonderful for detoxing, they do have a complex 'theory' behind their products. Nothing to do with classical homeopathy though.
HEEL= Herba est ex luce (Plant life derives from light).
HOMOTOXINS: are all those substances (chemical/biochemical) and non-material influences (physical, psychical), which can cause ill health in humans. Their appearance results in regulation disorders in the organism. Every illness is due therefore to the effects of homotoxins. Homotoxins can be introduced from the exterior (exogenic) or originate from the body itself (endogenic).
HOMOTOXONS: These are chemical reaction products from compounds of homotoxins with each other or with other substances (e.g. products of metabolism) which neutraliye the poisonous property of the homotoxins. The best example thereof is the liver, in whose cells homotoxins and metabolic products are united to detoxify the organism.
RETOXINS: Deposits of homotoxins with endogenic substances, which cannot be elimiated via excretion or irritation, are designated as 'residual poisons' (retoxins). The most important example thereof is the non-enzymatic glucosilisation of tissues and cell surfaces in case of glucose excess, as with, among others, latent diabetes mellitus.
HOMOTOXICOSIS- The concept of Disease in Homotoxicology Homotoxicosis is a non-physiological condition which arises after reaction of a homotoxin on cell and tissues. A homotoxicosis occurs as a humoral or cellular appearance and can be followed by morphological changes on tissues. The homotoxicosis is named after the homotoxin which triggers it. The homotoxicosis leads to defensive measurs of the organism whose goal is to elimiate the homotoxins and to restore the physiological conditions when possible.
THE GROUND REGULATION This refers to the local regulation possibilities of the ground system along with its superimposed nervous, hormonal, and humora regulation systems. The ground system is composed of the ground substance plus cellular, humoral and nervous components. The ground substance (extracellular matrix) is formed of highly polymerised sugars (proteoglycans and glycosaminogycans) plus structural and meshing glycoprotgeins.
THE PHASE THEORY (I'm typing this by hand, please go see the original pages 5-7, as I can't copy-paste this PDF file. ) How people fall sick in 6 phases (starting point is toxicity, if I understood well).
--- The one I'm taking is UBICHINON compositum:
The unblocking of enzymes or metabolic chains is effectively achieved by the administration of anti-homotoxic catalyst preparations such as COENZYME Compositum in alternation with UBICHINON Compositum. Both preparations contain a significant combination of vitamins and co-enzymes as well as intermediary products of metabolic cycles providing energy in the homoepathic dilution D6.
These preparations act on the molecular level on the mitochondria and assist the organism to regulate the intracellular, energy-supplying processes once again. The potencies between D6 and D10 are substitutive and can reactivate metabolic dysfunctions in energy-supplying cycles by substitution.
Because every severe diease, which no longer possesses any self-healing tendencies, is coupled to dysfunction on the level of energy-supplying processes, a concomitant, possibly intermittent administration of these preparations is indicated in all cases, as frequently confirmed successfully both in human medicine and in veterinarian medicine.
---- MOLYBDENUM COMPOSITUM: With molybdenum, zinc, iron, cobalt, cerium, manganese, copper, nickel and rubidium combined with sulphur and phosphorus whcih both possess a strongly stimulative effect particularly on mucous membranes and tissue cells and which belong to the so-called reaction remedies in homeopathy.
The above-mentioned trace elements are present as salts in lower potencies between D3 and D8. In these ranges, these trace elements no longer have toxic effects, but have a purely stimulative and/or a substitutive effect. These elements catalyze several enyzme-dependent reactions. As is well known, particularly molybdenum, copper, nickel, zinc, manganese and cobalt are elements which are essential for certain enzyme complexes, that is these enzyme complexes cannot function without them.
All 3 COMPOSITUM preparations containing catalysts, minerals and trace elements are indicated for all chronic diseases connected with energy deficits such as chronic fatigue syndrome or for diseases caused by old age.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Composition: Injection solution: 2.2 ml cont.: Ubichinonum D 10, Acidum ascorbicum D 6; Thiaminum hydrochloricum D 6, Natrium ribroflavinum phosphoricum D 6, Pyridoxinum hydrochloricum D 6; Nicotinamidum D 6, Vaccininum myrtillus D 4, Colchicum D 4, Podophyllum D 4, Conium D 4, Hydrastis D 4, Galium aparine D 6, Acidum sarcolacticum D 6, HydrochinonumD 8, Acidum alpha-liponicum D 8, Sulfur D 8, Manganum phosphoricum D 8, Natrium diethyloxalaceticum D 8, Trichinoylum D 10, Anthrachinonum D 10, Napthochinonum D 10, para-Benzochinonum D 10, Adenosinum triphosphoricum D 10, Coenzymum A D 10, Acidum acetylosalicylicum D 10, Histaminum D 10, Nadidum D 10, Magnesium gluconicum D 10 22 �l each.
Indications: Stimulation of toxin-defence functions for the purpose of restoring blocked enzymatic systems in cases of enzymatic dysfunctions and degenerative diseases (cellular phases).
Contraindications: Do not use during pregnancy or during nursing.
Side effects: None known.
Interactions with other medication: None known.
Pharmacological and clinical notes:
Acidum ascorbicum (Vitamin C) Co-factor for enzyme functions (redox systems)
Thiaminum hydrochloricum (Vitamin B1) Co-factor for enzyme functions (oxydative decarboxylation)
Natrium ribroflavinum phosphoricum (Vitamin B2) Co-factor for enzyme functions (flavoproteid and redox systems)
CoIchicum (meadow saffron) Gastro-enteritis, muscular and articular rheumatism pericarditis, endocarditis, scarlanital nephritis; as adjuvant in neoplasm phases.
Podophyllum (may-apple) Pancreopathy with spurting, painless diarrhoea; cholecystopathy, colitis, haemorrhoids, adjuvant in neoplasm phases, acticarcinomatous action.
Conium (spotted hemlock) Glandular swellings, as in scrofulous and cancerous conditions; sclerosis and nodules hard as stone(!)
Hydrastis (golden seal) Remedy for affections of the mucosa: thick, viscid, ropy, yellowish-white secretions from all mucous membranes; raises the tonicity in cachectic and marasmic conditions.
Galium aparine (goosegrass) Precancerous conditions and neoplasm phases
Acidum sarcolacticum (sarcolactic acid) Acid-base regulation in the connective tissue.
Hydrochinonum (hydroquinonel) Antiseptic and antipyretic action.
Acidum alpha-liponicum (thioctic acid) Coenzyme in the decomposition of pyruvic acid.
Sulfur (sulphur) Reagent in all chronic diseases; cellular activity is influenced catalytically.
Manganum phosphoricum (manganese phosphate) Conditions of exhaustion with anaemia; trace element action especially in enzyme functions of the citric acid cycle.
Natrium diethyloxalaceticum (sodium oxalacetate) Active factor of the citric acid cycle and of redox systems; weakness of the defensive mechanism
Trichinoylum (triquinoyl octahydrate) Regeneration of blocked respiratory enzymes, promotes detoxication
Anthrachinonum (anthraquinone) Active factor in energy metabolism; promotes detoxication; gastro-intestinal disturbances.
Naphthochinonum (naphthoquinone) Active factor in energy metabolism; promotes detoxication; after radiotherapy.
para-Benzochinonum (para-benzoquinone) Active factor in energy metabolism; promotes detoxication; dermatosis
Ubichinonum (coenzyme Q) Active factor of the intermediary metabolism; promotes detoxication; strengthens the defensive mechanism.
Adenosinum triphosphoricum (adenosine triphosphate) Support of the energy-consuming systems.
Coenzymum A (coenzyme A) Coenzyme for transacetylation.
Histaminum (histamine) To support the detoxicating function; increased glandular secretion; eczema and dermatosis.
Nadidum (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide) Biocatalyst, stimulation of the end oxidation in the respiratory chain.
Magnesium gluconicum (magnesium gluconate) Trace element action, especially in enzyme functions of the citric acid cycle. -----
Based on the individual homoeopathic constituents of Ubichinon compositum, therapeutical possibilities result for the stimulation of the defensive mechanisms against toxins in order to reactivate blocked enzyme systems, in the case of defective enzyme functions and in degenerative diseases (cellular phases).
While in allopathic therapy, in the cellular phases located to the right of the biological section, i.e. degenerative diseases, cancer formation and other phases corresponding, in general, to what is known as chronic marasmus, all attempts by the organism to rectify these phases (appearing as illnesses or regressive vicariation) are treated with massive suppressive measures,
whereby the enzyme damage present in the phases to the right of the biological section are intensified considerably and possibly made quite irreparable, the biological physician proceeds according to a totally different therapeutical principle,
i.e. by stimulating blocked enzyme systems with catalysts, and depolimerization of the neoplasm phase formation characterized by condensation or polymerization (according to Professor W.F. Koch), when various quinones and activation factors of enzyme functions, in appropriate, finely graduated blends,
in addition to homoeopathic remedies of antineoplasmatic action, in suitable dosage (such as Colchicum, Podophyllum, Conium, Hydrastis, Galium aparine) are utilized.
In particular, in this connection, the coenzyme factors (coenzyme A, adenosinum triphosphoricum, nadidum, acidum alpha-liponicum) are important, as well as the trace elements, without which the functioning of the special enzyme systems of the citric acid cycle is not possible (manganese, magnesium).
Also in this connection, the vitamins have an important function to fulfil, less in the form of vitamin substitution than (in comparatively low concentration) as acting as guide rail in the direction of the enzyme system to be induced.
This guide rail principle is also known to have proved satisfactory with the suis-organ preparations.
Here one can also speak of certain key functions, in which a suitable key is necessary for specific enzymes, in order for the preparation to achieve its total action and, above all, to gain access to the precursors in enzyme synthesis.
This offers theoretical possibilities that the attack by reparatory enzymes takes place, through which much damage (in the form of therapeutical damage) of the gene apparatus (possibly even in the form of carcinogenesis basically with causal mutation) can be eliminated.
Frequently in such cases merely the smallest molecular units in the form of co-repressors or inductors are lacking, in order to reveal the effects of the reparatory enzymes as regeneration.
The action of Ubichinon compositum ampoule therapy is often shown as a beneficial post injection fatigue, in the same way as with Coenzyme compositum ampoules, possibly also with Thyreoidea compositum and Hepar compositum, so that the patient is not denied repose,
similar to sleep induced for therapeutical purposes, in order to allow the possibilities of far-reaching restorative processes in the enzyme functions and systems to take effect.
Ubichinon compositum ampoules represent a preparation by means of which progressive vicariation in the area of cellular phases, and finally damage leading to neoplasm phases can be cancelled out, and meanwhile occasional alternating injections of suitable preparations such as
Coenzyme compositum ampoules, Glyoxal compositum (rarely or only once), Galium-Heel, Engystol N, Traumeel S, Hepar compositum, Thyreoidea compositum, etc., due to the various points of attack, facilitate a broad final effect.
Ubichinon compositum ampoules increase sensitization to X-rays, etc. (2 hrs. in advance i.m.) and have a favourable action in extreme homotoxin levels, including, for example, for influenza, abscesses, catarrh (aphonia etc.) and similar affections.
Ubichinon compositum ampoules are administered then, possibly in combination with Echinacea compositum (forte) S, for neoplasia with Viscum compositum (mite, medium, forte).
Still to be mentioned is the fact that the preparations with a vitamin B1 content (Coenzyme compositum ampoules, Ubichinon compositum ampoules and Discus compositum ampoules) should be injected intravenously only slowly and carefully, as many patients with therapeutical damage (phases 4 to 6) show hypersensitivity towards Vitamin B1,
although at the concentrations used here, such incidents, in general, are not to be expected, since the vitamins merely act as guide rails and do not form a massive substitution therapy.
The dosage is adapted according to the disease, the clinical picture and the stage of the illness: 1 ampoule once to three times weekly i.m., s.c., i.d.. Only after any possible reactions or disorders appearing have subsided. should the injection be repeated.
At intervals, as required, injections of other suitable preparations (Coenzyme compositum ampoules, Glyoxal compositum, Galium-Heel, Engystol N, Traumeel S, etc.). With this preparation, which contains vitamins, a fleeting, burning pain may occur upon i.d. and s.c. injections.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
If someone would like to have some fun... just click on the link above, you'll get loads of explanations for Heel products.
I wished I had such a library of products to test in front of me and pick what suited.
I guess these Heel products COULD be precious for healing phases at the end of lyme. I just wonder if the potencies are LOW enough to be used with light.
I'm just discovering them now (the only one I used for longer is this Ubichinon, but sublingual, that's how my naturopath told me to use)...
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
The dilutions look fine. Take a look at Staufen Borrelia nosodes as an example. D5 through D200.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Could you ART test any of these Heel products if used WITH the Bionic, Scott?
I mean, if you are interested, as these products do look excellent for detox and for rebuilding the body!
I wonder if one would need to buy just one vial and keep using it on and on then without opening them? That would be good price for what it could do to us!
thanks!
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Everyone
I just recently started having the photon therapy with the Bionic with a practitioner in the UK and I just wanted to ask anyone who might know is it essential for all of the nosodes to be used during the treatment or does Dr W test for each individual nosodes too?
The reason I ask is because the practitioner who is treating me is a crystal therapist and tests me by dowsing and she found that I tested positive to only 2 of the nosodes before my 1st treatment, all of the others either said 'No' or 'Don't know'. My practitioner understandably trusts her own testing and was reluctant to take a chance using all of them in case it made me too ill as we both know that I am very sensitive. I already had one treatment with the bionic in the summer and it pretty much knocked me for six, so I have decided to trust her testing for now.
As it turned out the response I had to my first treatment was mild - I herxed just slightly Today I had my 2nd treatment and I tested positive to 7 nosodes this time which if the reading is correct would indicate that I am getting stronger but I am just not sure if it is really essential to use all the nosodes at the same time.
I know that Dr W is making his treatment more flexible as far as the Hz goes, so I wondered if anyone knows if this applies to the nosodes too. I tried to phone his office but cannot get through yet.
Thanks
Anne
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
Dr W tapes d5 d6 d8 d10 d12 d15 d30 d60 d100 d200 and he also tapes two live bacteria vials as well. Then you run the bionic for 320 seconds using frequency 11.77 on the ten accupuncture points he has chosen..which are the same for eveyone
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Paul
Thanks for your reply. Apparently he has changed his approach now and is using different frequencies depending on his testing which each patient so I was curious about whether he is doing this with the nosodes too.
I'm curious that you mention the 11.77hz frequency as I had 9.88 hz and in my leaflet written by him about the lyme treatment he says it should 9.88 so I'm a bit confused now!
Also I dont have the live bacterial vials yet which probably explains why my response has been pretty mild so far.
Thanks again, take care.
Anne
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
Dr w changed from 9 to 11. for get why he made the change.
good luck with ur treatment
do u have filling in your mouth?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
He used to to 9.88 but switched recently to 11.77. When Steelbone and I were there in Nov. he was still using the same frequency for everyone, so if he has changed that, it is very recent.
Posted by zombie_mummy (Member # 17402) on :
I'm currently using those for babesia and erlichia.
Personally, I would probably use babesia only nosodes first, then use those. I was having no reaction anymore to the babesia nosodes, but when I started using that set, it packed a new punch.
I still am typically in the 90% range, but sometimes the babs fatigue is flaring (in a similar pattern to how the borrelia flared during treatment). It might be a lot to start out with all those infections. Just a thought.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey Six, thanks for your update.
So it means when you started with both ehrlichia and babesia you still herxed too much? Or are you talking about nosodes you probably found here in Germany being different from the ones from Desbio?
Or are you just suggesting to do ONE treatment for one critter at a time?
I often have the BIGGEST flare of my life just before one critter disappears. It's like it's giving the last of its breath to try to fight to death or to let die, so I often had that punch just before the critter suddenly disappears (stops suddenly to test from one day to another, all symptoms vanish suddenly...).
I guess it's like a big flush of poison with massive die off toxins (therefore, one has to avoid herxes at all means specially at that moment, or they will come back) or the critter is trying to reproduce and fight as strongest as it can exactly in that moment.
Just before it vanishes, it looks like it's in its strongest form. It didn't happen with borrelia nor bartonella (if my memory is good), but with many other critters, with candida and fungal species too, many of tick born coinfections, with mycobacterium bovis... I can't remember with babesia, I have to go back to my notes...
Thanks for any info on your treatment with nosodes.
-- I would only buy any nosode/ homeopathics on the lower potencies (the X ones, not C, K or M), if I would combine with photons. And would only try ONE thing at a time, unless I'm under supervision from someone who knows A LOT how to detox a patient.
I'm usually very sensitive, so that is how I did with herbs, with ingested homeopathics that kill, with microcurrent, and will do similar when I get a photon machine soon.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Paul & Sixgoofy,
Thanks I didnt know that, unless my practitioner told me and I completely forgot as I have a pretty bad memory!! I will mention it to her next time.
No I dont have any amalgams, I had all my fillings removed about 9 yrs ago which is lucky as at least I dont have to deal with that now.
I am definitely feeling stronger today but no herxing at all.
Paul how are you responding to the treatment, are you much better since seeing Dr W in Germany? Sorry I havent been able to follow all the posts here so I'm not familiar with your story.
Sixgoofy its great that you are still doing well, good luck with your continued treatment!
Thanks
Anne
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
The Deseret nosodes are borrelia, babesia, and erlichia. The treatment is so strong, if I could treat all three separately, I would. So, I would treat the borrelia first, since it can be treated separately, then I would treat with the combination nosodes.
I'm not having a herx in the sense that we think of herxes. I'm still doing very well and am very functional. I can tell, however, that my body is doing a lot of work right now. I get a little fatigue from it. There's no way to describe what I'm talking about really .... it just feels like it's doing on the verge of too much at once.
I'd love to hear about how the babs reacted if you can find it in your notes.
Thanks for the well-wishes.
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
Anne
At 1st i was doing pretty good. But the bionic pull the mercury from you teeth. So i had to stop until my filling are removed. Gigi has always said dont use the bionic if u have filling in your mouth. Wish i listen to her.
I see a dentist next week to get the process started. Once the fillings are removed i will start up with the bionic. i will treat either bart or babs 1st. I will let the bio-tensor decide that.later
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Six, if you feel like the DB products are too strong in combinations they put together, you might want to consider looking at what Ergopathics has to offer.
They have a good list of many different lyme related diseases in individual vials. I intend to order their lyme test kit when I have funds for the next round of treatment gems.
They also have kits for mycoplasma, etc., and almost anything you have heard of, in a tiny little glass bottle.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Paul,
Good luck with your amalgam removal next week, I hope that you make a lot more progress once your fillings are out. I can see why it might hinder progress still having amalgams in as it might possibly lead to too many metals being released. I have found that always get a metal taste in my mouth following a treatment.
Take care
Anne
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Being in contact with other Bionic practitioners in Germany, I am learning that time and intensity used for treatment of anything vary, changing with patients and type of treatments. I find the same to be true. I am always surprised what I come up with during energetic testing. These settings definitely change drastically for other treatments, metals, toxins, as well as other pathogens that are definitely keeping house in our body.
The settings also change from one treatment of the same substance to the next treatment of the same, probably because of energetic level and severity.
I would definitely not suggest treating all or several co-infections together. If I know that a problem is a real problem, I approach it alone. If I know that, for instance, one of the co-infections is more of a problem than others, I definitely treat that alone. Mass treatment does not work, as I have found, one ends up having to repeat treatments more times.
Energetic testing will also verify that every time. This is why I think it is almost impossible to treat energetically without being able to test energetically or be bested by someone. It seems the tensor practice has solved this problem for us. One question by tensor, and I have the answer whether I can put a handful of vials on the body or a single one. Most energetic testing methods also will reveal preference, i.e. what the body can handle best, whether right now, and how much of it, etc.
More sometime later.
Take care.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Again, Ergopathics have great products but they are NOT from real infections. In other words, they are not nosodes. Nosodes are preferred over energetic vials when available in my opinion, but I have used energetic only vials as well as nosodes are not always available.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Six, give me some more time for searching my notes (they are a bit scattered).
I just want to say that the Photonics PE1 has control on intensity (from 10% to 100%), has both pulsed and continuous mode and uses different LEDS with 5 different wavelenghts (880nm is included).
I don't know if this is a good infra red machine as I havent got mine yet, but I'm having a good feeling toward it. I think I'll buy it, test it, and then if I find it too bad I can still give it back and get my money back.
If it's good enough, I hope to be able to 'compare' it with the Bionic in spring. As the price is so different (on the 1,100 dollar range), I guess these are different products though.
I just realized I'm entering my 4th month without a borrelia relapse!!
It is the longest period without lyme ever for me (no lyme remedies). Knocking, knocking on wood!
I took the suggestion of Gigi to treat the higher bodies and spent my days 'talking' to a friend plant. Call me crazy, but I think she's healing me!!!! Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
thanks Scott.
As for nosodes, these low dilutions from Sanum are REALLY strong, even without photons.
I am using for the first time dilutions like D3 until D9 (ingesting or rubbing) since October, I'm AMAZED to see how potent they are.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Selma, what "friend plant" did you talk with?
I am glad Sanum is helping you, I always ignored them because it seemed like such a complex system.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Oxy, I don't know the name of the plant... It's a small-middle size tree that gives pink + white flowers in spring.
I'll send you a PM.
[ 15. December 2008, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Brussels ]
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Any more updates for this thread? I was hoping some of the folks going to Germany would blog.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I went to Rome for Christmas and felt great! I got around as well as anyone did!
I did have a two day flare that slowed me down a little, but that just meant I had to sit and rest a little more than most in our group. My flare was at the normal timing of my flares. I am assuming the flares are from one of my three coinfections.
I caught a stomach bug that was going around our group in Rome, then on the airplane sat behind someone who had the flu, so I caught that too. I'm finally starting to get over it and am still not having Lyme symptoms. It was a long bug ..... but from what I've read, the flu can last a couple weeks.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
With the Deseret B. Nosodes do you Ingest them , or tape them on you? Also, What strength do you use??
Thanks!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Do you have the Bionic? I guess people here are just taping them on the solar plexus then doing light treatment.
If you don't have the Bionic, people ingest them. I do ingest and rub nosodes on my body (if dilution is higher than D3). I don't think you would need to ingest nosodes if you use photons. I wouldn't. Only if the result is not as strong as expected.
If dilution is lower than D3, I wouldn't ingest (too high concentration).
I'll get my photon unit this week and will test it with nosodes!
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
I have a friend who just arrived in Germany for treatment. I don't think she is doing a blog.
I hope to be in touch with her and will ask if she would like anything mentioned here.
I just went through some sort of crisis this past week or 10 days due to metals. I have been working cautiously to get the load down and was feeling quite toxic.
Something changed yesterday and I am feeling much better. I'm sure it's not over yet but that would be nice.
When I no longer test for heavy metals then I will begin treating yeast. I won't mess with that right now as I feel it is there protecting me from the metals to some degree.
During treatment in Germany I noticed a huge decline in yeast. When the metals started being released after having my amalgams out, the yeast went into high gear. All makes sense.
One step at a time.
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Would you recommend purchasing the Desbio nosides prior to going to Germany for Treatment with the Bionic, and taking them to Dr.W.?
It has been said that 3 weeks is not enough time to do more than the lyme treatment. But would it be good to bring the Desbio nosodes along anyway just for testing, and possible use of Boriella nosodes from the USA, (instead of German purchased NOsodes) as the lyme is different here?
Or just wait until I return home to get the Desbio?
lymeparfait
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Bionic 880 Prep recommendations , please?
I have recently stopped antibiotics and am removing my last amalgam this month, with heavy metal detox protocol. Also dealing with candida detox as my Candida is now an issue with the heavy metal detox! I always knew I had Candida from testing, but no symptoms until the metal detox. Had been on amphoterican B and loads of acidophylus for it all year.
Now I am using homeopathic remedies with a ND to prepare for the bionic treatment. (this is all new to me, as I was with a traditional LLMD until Nov.) My co-infections appear to be all gone per blood tests and energetic/ART testing. I am not herxing at all for over a month. I still test positive for lyme and EBV ! Still have neuro lyme symptoms. Brain Fog, Memory lapses, and Joint inflamation. My big concern also is Lupus. I am also off the Plaquinal for Lupus. I hope this is not a mistake. Just wanted to be as med free as possible before treatment.
Is it recommended to keep up the detoxing until I go to Germany in April, or should I just relax, and wait to let the photons begin the release with the removal of lyme. Then ART test and see where I am with lupus, metals, candida and co's after treatment?
What are your thoughts friends?
lymeparfait
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I tape the Deseret nosodes to the solar plexus during photon treatment. I do not consume them. I tape all the vials that come with the treatment, there are 10.
Lymeparfait, you could bring them to Germany with you for testing reasons. However, I would think the fewer times they have to be x-rayed the better .... so I'd wait till I got home and test then, but it could be done either way.
When I transported nosodes in my suitcase I wrapped them completely in foil.
I would buy the EBV nosodes over in Germany while you're there.
I think you're doing well to detox so that you're in the best shape that way as possible.
BTW, my flu has gotten a lot better the past couple days. I just have a sore throat and a little bit of a stuffy head. I plan on starting bart treatment today.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
hey goof with wrapping the nosodes, how much foil did you use for each, and is it shiny side in or out? thanks john
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I put shiny side out, but don't know if that's correct. I used enough that I was sure no x-rays were able to get in there .... kind of like how you would wrap a gift. Mine still work, so I guess that was okay. Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
SIx would you mind sharing what your Bart treatment will be??
Yes I am using the lightworks, and have been using the German Lyme nosodes with it... I believe they are the ones that Selma is talking about. I tape all 10 to my Solar PLexus and do 12 points.. I want to also do co-infections too (DB remedies) I would like to ingest those though... I know this is not as strong as the Bionic but I can not get to Germany... ALthough I would LOVE to go.
Thanks!!
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I will be using the Deseret bart series nosodes with the light treatment.
After I treated the Lyme with the German nosodes, I treated babs/erlichia with the Deseret borrelia series. Now I'm moving on to the bart.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
thanks Six!
After you tape the nosodes for treatment can you ingest them after that??
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I don't know. I save them in case I need to retreat later.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
hey goof thanks for the reply
off topic but i know you'd come back to this thread:
i think you mentioned that you lost hair with the abx treatment, and it grew back after stopping....that is what i want (hey baldness isn't all that bad but i want to stop it from happening if possible). since we see same llmd with same bugs, were you on omnicef?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Actually, I lost a lot of hair prior to treatment and it came back with treatment. I guess there are meds that can make you lose hair .... let's hope it comes back for you.
I hear the Germans have come up with a light treatment to help with baldness .... since you're going over anyway .... Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Suggestion for ongoing Bionic users:
After using DB Bartonella Series and Borrelia Series, consider doing the same with LYM.
It contains the borrelia series, and also babesia, ehrlichia, meningitis series, encephalitis series, hepatitis series, trigonella and also thymus and adrenal sarcodes and supportive homeopathics.
This might be far too much for a beginning treatment, but might provide some excellent follow up as tested.
I have had excellent result with this using a similar protocol with Lightworks, especially for addressing meningitis symptoms.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
thanks goof and bejoy
bejoy, who makes the lym?
thanks
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Bejoy, do you have a website for them? I can't find anything with a Google search (it just thinks I spelled Lyme wrong).
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Here is the link Six... It is on the desbio website under DETOX... Weird huh! It's about halfway down.
Thanks for the link. I wonder what "gun powder" is for, LOL!
Looks interesting. I wonder what the Bionic does with homeopathics rather than nosodes .... though there is a lyme nosode in that.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
lymeparfait, I would keep on detoxing, it can't hurt...
good luck in your trip. There's someone that came back not too long (a whole family) and had a good experience there (lyme free but still fighting loads of other infections)... They don't want to post though...
I would take as many nosodes I could for dr. W. to test them (not to use, just to test). As I don't think you'll have time to use them while doing borrelia treatment.
Six and others, yes, it's shiny part of the foil out (what all homeopaths recommend). Not to take them under but on your hand luggage (xrays are less strong).
Keep the foil on the whole time, as other EMRs can spoil the homeopathics (I make a box and put the foil in the inside part of it). The highest the potency, the most sensitive to be spoiled by EMRs. So I wrap further all high potency homeopathics even inside my 'foiled' box.
Keep homeopathics away from smelly substances.
LM potencies, I usually keep them in my body not to be x-rayed (wrapped with the foil, of course). Some countries allow homeopathics to get out from the Xray and metal checks, but you gotta ask before the bag get checked.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I wonder how would people react to a combo of homeopathics at once (like these environmental toxins from Desbio)...
If with the Bionic, one wouldn't either collapse or be without any reaction whatsoever (as there is too much information at once)?
anyone already tried such a combo homeopathic + light treatment?
My photonic energetic will arrive some time this week, so I'm considering doing more detox before starting with the killing...
Thanks
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for all the great info, guys. I'm about to get back on track with this soon.
When I used to travel alot, I used to put exposed & unexposed film in a lead bag to go through the airport scanners. Maybe if you could find one - you might be able to use that for remedies?
They used to sell them especially for film at photography stores. I think they are coated with some kind of plastic liner with lead inside.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
wouldn't having a lead bag in your luggage look sketchy?
also, if i wrap up nosodes in foil and travel, which place is it better to be stored- in the check in luggage, or in my carryon bag along with the laptop and ipod? i would rather check them in but i dunno if that is best
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
John, I think wrapping the vials in a couple layers of foil is sufficient. It is best to put them in your luggage and check them in. If you have them in your carry-on, they will probably make you open and explain, etc. and that gets hairy because some of them are also liquids. The mail and packages are x-rayed and I have never had a problem with many vials.
Any vials in globuli form, not liquid, do not need to be wrapped in foil. The sugar protects them - as per the manufacturer.
Wishing you a successful trip and hope that you can relax some. It's better for healing!
Take care.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
FYI - Regarding checked baggage -
"Placing film in bags that are checked at the ticket counter presents a much greater risk of damage by X-ray because checked baggage is often subjected to a much more powerful dosage, and the films will certainly be ruined. "
Going through repeated scanning can expose things to more dosages of X-rays. It can be cumulative for some items like film. It depends on the film speed or type as to whether it's damaging.
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
Would LOVE any of you to come join us on www.lymefriends.com and start a group on the Bionic 880; not to replace this discussion here, but to augment it.
We have a few members who have been to Germany; it would be a great group to have on the site as well.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
gigi and sparkle
thanks for the replies. i'm gonna check them in
i definitely will be relaxing...i have plans on visiting friends in munich and zurich...
now that i feel my ducks are in a row (and i don't mean idsa), things will go pretty smoothly.
i saw my llmd yesterday, after 3 months of actually getting a bit worse with my symptoms and not talking with any docs about it...he is totally aware of the bionic being used and is excited to hear of my progress! that was a big, pleasant surprise. he also said my babesia is very low, maybe even already dormant. that is a huge bonus, to hear that! it makes my upcoming surgery much less scary.
from what i can tell- he hears good things about it. and that is fantastic news from a highly regarded llmd.
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