My LLMD has started me on grapefruit seed extract for cysts. But a lot of what I read is that people have a big herx on this.
We are planning a vacation and I am thinking maybe put off starting the Grapefruit seed stuff till we get back --
LLMD thought to go for it -- I am also on Doxy 200mg 2xday and Azithromycin 250 mg 1xday. I would be interested in anybody's experiences with herxing - what kind of symptoms did you have?
Posted by psano2 (Member # 11711) on :
yes
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Although I have not used this myself, I have heard that you can herx badly from this.
Good luck and have a good vacation. If it were me, I would wait until you are home, just in case...
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Yes. I used the Nutribiotic drops and don't think I ever worked up to the full dose.
Posted by wiserforit2 (Member # 18286) on :
Before I knew about Lyme, I used to take the grapefruit seed extract to help control yeast. Rocky beginnings for sure!
Worth it, I think. Take it with food the way you would Doxy -- it can burn your gut at higher doses if you haven't eaten.
wiserforit2
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
i have been told that doxy and gse should be taken far apart from one another
gse supposedly can lessen effects of doxy if too close
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
More than a herx. My throat closed on it. This is not an uncommon reaction for me. I'm always ready with benedryl. Just be careful if you're allergic to a lot of stuff.
Posted by Judy G. (Member # 18498) on :
Thanks, everybody. So helpful. I think I will wait until I get back from vacation to start the GSE so I can be at home if I get a big herx.
Also good advice about taking at the same time as Doxy (I don't want to do anything to mess that up - I have gotten so much better with it).
This board really works!!!
Many thanks.
Posted by Getting Better (Member # 8919) on :
Yes I have herxed on GSE. Since no one knows the dosage, nor the in vivo absorption, you just have to play around with it.
Posted by AmyPW8 (Member # 11504) on :
Oh yes!!!! Massive herx! Take care and start off very low and work up!
Posted by Judy G. (Member # 18498) on :
Thanks all!!
Posted by gwenb (Member # 7217) on :
I had an insane herx the first time I took it as I ramped up too fast. Worst herx I have ever had - could literally not move for three days. That said, it is very effective. I now take it regularly - part of my core protocol.
Gwen
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
What is Grapefruit seed extract used for? What do you mean by cyst?
Thanks
Fancy
Posted by Judy G. (Member # 18498) on :
My LLMD prescribed grapefruit seed extract - it comes in a tablet form or a liquid form that is put in water to drink. It is just what is says - extract of grapefuit seeds.
The cysts we are talking about is when the Lyme spirochetes go into hiding, creating a "cyst" form that is resistant to antibiotics.
So something like Flagyl (prescription) or grapefruit seed extract -(supplement) "bust" the cysts open making the Lyme spirochetes then available to be killed.
I posted this question because I didn't want to be very sick on vacation from the initial reaction that comes when a new drug or treatment is started causing "herx" reaction -- or when you get worse before you get better.
Hope that answers your question -- this is my understanding -- anybody else can add to or detract.
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Thank you Judy.
So a cyst is the same as the biofilm Dr. Mcdonald has found. Is that right?
Do you know of a good brand for the grapefruit seed? Liquid or tablet. Is there any difference?
Fancy
Posted by Judy G. (Member # 18498) on :
Not sure it is the same as the biofilm -- not really familiar with that.
My doc gave me Citricidal which I notice states "extract of certified organically grown grapefruit" which is described as from the pulp and seed of the grapefruit. It is from bio/chem Research.
I have the tablet form which is equal to five drops of concentrate.
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