Doctor started me on Flagyl with rocephin. Am having severe stomach aches. Anybody else experience this? Thanks
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Taking it with food?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Be sure to take with food.... how much are you taking?
Posted by kennl (Member # 20197) on :
No, also have upset stomach, food doesn't feel like a great idea just now
Posted by kennl (Member # 20197) on :
Rocephin 2 grams every 12 hours iv and flagyl 500 mg 3 times per day
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Well, if you haven't been taking it with food that is probably your problem. Same with the rocephin.
Even though rocephin bypasses the gut it is still good to have some food in your system before you infuse.
Always food with flagyl. Even a little will help.
Posted by kennl (Member # 20197) on :
To Feelfit THANK-YOU, I am the new kid at the treatment, your advice sure helps
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Posted by kennl (Member # 20197) on :
On a different subject, Have been on the treatments for about 4 weeks and have gained 20# without changing eating habits. Does everyone deal with weight issues on top of the Lyme?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by kennl: Rocephin 2 grams every 12 hours iv and flagyl 500 mg 3 times per day
That's a LOT of flagyl to begin with!!!!!!
YIKES!!
Ask your dr if maybe you can start out with a lower dosage???
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Weight issues.. Maybe you're not following the no sugar, low carb diet?
Yeast will make you gain weight.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
3 times a day....wow....
i only started at ONE 500 per day and geez, it did a number on me...
are you sure you understood??? i'd go back to doc big time...
Posted by migs (Member # 16496) on :
I took 500mg three times a day (1500mg/day) for 5 months as prescribed by my LLMD.
It worked incredibly well until it messed up the nerves in my right foot and fingers. A couple more months and I swear, I'd have been symptom free. Great stuff in some ways.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Some people find tindamax easier to tolerate.
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Posted by dsiebenh (Member # 5353) on :
I's on Flagyl and couldn't tolerate more than 3 days at 250mg before the herx was unbearable.
Just as an experiment I tried Sam-e and it allowed me to take 250mg Flagyl per day 7 days a week. Supposedly , one of the 3 sam-e benefits is detox assistance. I was extremely surprised this worked.
Posted by WildCondor (Member # 434) on :
That is a normal dose of Flagyl, just be sure to take it with food, eat a meal, then take it. The Rocephin may be bothering your gallbladder and you should be on Actigall. Ask your LLMD.
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Dsiebenh,
How much Same-E were you taking with the Flgayl? When did you take it? With the flagyl? A few hours from the Flagyl?
I worked up to 1/4 Flagyl every other day because of the herxing.
Where do you get the Same-E?
Thanks for your input.
CherylSue
Posted by dsiebenh (Member # 5353) on :
200mg of Sam-e 3x per day empty stomach. 250mg flagyl once per day with breakfast. I got a free sample for $5.99 shipping at www.bestsame.com. You can also buy at Walmart or Sams.
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