I'm reading that your Labs may show normal levels of Magnesium, but the intracellular levels may be low.
Plasma Mg concentration, even if free Mg ion is measured, may be normal even with decreased intracellular or bone Mg stores. Mg depletion usually results from inadequate intake plus impairment of renal conservation or GI absorption. There are numerous causes of clinically significant Mg deficiency
Deficiency of magnesium causes weakness, muscle cramps, cardiac arrhythmia, increased irritability of the nervous system with tremors, anxiety, athetosis, jerking, vertigo, nystagmus and an extensor plantar reflex. In addition, there may be confusion, disorientation, hallucinations, severe headaches, depression, epileptic fits, hypertension, tachycardia and tetany.
I have many of these symptoms above, and I broght this up yesterday, but still unsure how to replenish the Mag. I'm using Mag Citrate, but there are dangers of having too high Magnesium levels as well.
Hypermagnesemia depresses the conduction system of the heart and sympathetic ganglia. A moderate increase in serum magnesium can lead to a mild decrease in blood pressure, and a greater concentration may cause severe symptomatic hypotension. Magnesium is also cardiotoxic and, in high concentrations, can cause bradycardia. Occasionally, complete heart block and cardiac arrest may occur at levels greater than 7 mmol/L.
So, is bowel tolerance the only way to know if were getting too much ? I'm just a little confused on this as it does appear that I am low or depleted given my severe symptoms i.e. Shaking, Body Aches, Weakness, Depression, Vertigo, etc. all in line with the symptoms I found above on Low Magnesium.
I took 300mg before I went to bed last night and I am feeling a bit better already this morning. Do I keep taking it until I get diarrhea or loose stools ?
Just trying to get this clarified. And I also wanted to ask how we truly know that Lyme depletes Magnesium other than theories cited by many Dr.'s. Is this proof positive ?
I really feel like this is an important topic as many complain of the symptoms I found in the list above. I'm sure there are more, but those are the major ones I could find. If we need to replace, than we should be, but safely.
I just want to finish by saying I honestly believe there is something to all of this as I always seem to get at least some relief after taking an Epsom salt bath. I do these about 3 x per week. There definitely seems to be something to this. I just want to do it right.
Lymetwister
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
Most of the population is deficient in Mag, but especially lymies. You should be taking mag glycinate. It's the best one, most absorable. Pure encapsulations is a good brand. It has no fillers in it.
Take it to bowel tolerance to determine your dose. Unlikely that you will ever take too much with lyme. Bb is utilizing it too. Take it every day in divided doses. If you can get your doc to set you to take IM mag sulfate shots they are really effective, but keep taking the oral as well.
All that you have pointed out is true, not conjecture. Magnesium is a very important mineral and especially for people with lyme disease.
Keep taking those epson salt baths as well. They really do work...it's pure magnesium.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Search for many threads - very detailed research - from MARNIE.
She has done a lot of work in that area and has explained how the Bb gobbles it up, leaving our cells without.
Here is just one thread from Marnie about magnesium:
Brian Rosner's Rife book also goes into great deal. I know you are using a rife so you must have that book. Be sure to go back and read all that he writes about it. It's a very nice explanation.
You asked if there are dangers in having too much. Your bowels will prevent that. But there is danger if the other minerals are not in balance. I don't have that perfect recipe now but it's important.
Read what Rosner says, too, about magnesium's effects during treatment. Even people who are not using rife will find his work on magnesium valuable enough to get the book.
Also realize that even when you reach bowel tolerance and back down a bit that it can take months to replenish from a long-time loss. Other minerals need to be in balance with this, too. Calcium will need to come up.
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Posted by brooke (Member # 16606) on :
I bought some of the Doctor's Best magnesium glycinate and it gave me acne. Would another brand of mag glycinate do the same thing, or do I need another kind completely?
I wanted to try mag because I have terrible anxiety (along with depression) and wanted something natural.
brooke
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Brooke,
I don't know. It might have been a temporary cleansing that caused that but you can certainly use other kinds as to quell anxiety & depression, magnesium is so important.
Fish oil (or better even, KRILL OIL), is important.
Mag. Citrate is very good, too. Check out some of these articles:
Magnesium: The Underappreciated Mineral of Life Part I - and part II
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Posted by brooke (Member # 16606) on :
Thanks!
Posted by Leelee (Member # 19112) on :
I have wondered about magnesium myself. I have all the symptoms of deficiency but my labs are normal.
It is interesting to read that the intracellular levels may be low.
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
I don't think labs will offer you much help with this. If you lyme you need mag! Even if you don't you need it.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
If your labs are normal, don't confuse it with the symptoms posted above which can be related to lyme disease. In 1999 when I first got dx my LLMD gave me a script for 1,000mg of IM magnesium.
It gave me extreme tachycardia (180)and had to call an ambulance. I also received IV magnesium from the headache center of a well known teaching hospital here for migraines and hallucinated for 3 days.
My symptoms calmed down greatly with treatment and eating a healthy diet. Safer just to eat foods high in magnesium and calcium. Do we really know if the intracellular levels are low?
Gael
Posted by gothbubbles (Member # 20280) on :
Lymetwister, what website did you find this quote on? I would love to show this to my neurologist.
Deficiency of magnesium causes weakness, muscle cramps, cardiac arrhythmia, increased irritability of the nervous system with tremors, anxiety, athetosis, jerking, vertigo, nystagmus and an extensor plantar reflex. In addition, there may be confusion, disorientation, hallucinations, severe headaches, depression, epileptic fits, hypertension, tachycardia and tetany.
Posted by losferwrds (Member # 19741) on :
Dude, look into acetylcholine deficiency, there's were all happens, lyme eats its up. Why do you smoke?, for acetylcholine, its that deficiency that causes all the anxiety and air hunger in my non-med opinion, Lecethin or better Alpha GBC are key, not a laxative like mag..
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
You can be tested for red cell magnesium levels, which is a much more reliable indicator: mine were always well below normal [didn't know then that I had Lyme].