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Posted by Clint31 (Member # 16420) on :
 
Okay so I usually eat pretty good when I take my antibiotics. This morning I ate really light, a few blueberries and a protein bar. Took my doxy.

Then for dinner I ate nothing but vegtables and yogurt. Then I took my ziprho and doxy I know I ate light because I am having hunger pains now.

So I haven't herxed in weeks and have been feeling very normal actually. I'm sitting on my porch tonight and sure enough it hit me like a ton of bricks. I ache all over, I'm tingling, hot flashes, sweating, just overall awful feeling--that good old fashioned herx feeling.

This is interesting. I don't usually eat THIS light. Anyone experienced this? I'm almost sure this is whats going on.
 
Posted by Tif (Member # 12701) on :
 
I have herxed more depending on food amounts........if you think about it, the absorption of your abx would be more with less food in there, especially the doxy (at least in my case)
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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What did you eat for lunch? I don't see that you posted that.

Eating too light can produce more porphyrins and that will be indistinguishable from a herx.

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Posted by Clint31 (Member # 16420) on :
 
Morning/breakfast: barleygrass and some probiotics (yummay)

lunch: blueberries and a protein energy bar

took doxy an hour later

dinner: carrots, broccoli, asparagus, yogurt
took doxy/ziphro immediately
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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That is not enough food for breakfast, lunch or snack time. Our bodies require much more. It's hard, I know. It might work to make a large dinner and put half in the fridge for breakfast.

A protein bar is not really considered food. It is a substitution best reserved for when we can't get whole protein foods.

Again, I know that it takes energy to cook. Eggs are the easiest source. Three eggs equal 18 g. of protein. That's a portion for one meal. Fish and veggies for breakfast is a great help. Or chicken soup. Breakfast is the most important meal.

The blueberries are nice as a mid-morning snack or a breakfast appetizer but a real meal is necessary to get you started on your way.

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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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http://icmr.nic.in/ijmr/2006/august/0804.pdf

- 20 pages


THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .


Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India


129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148. Review Article.


Excerpt: " . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."


- Full article at link (or google the title if it does not go through).
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Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
 
Blueberries are highly antioxidants. You might try

flushing poisons. Diflucan for yeast? Yogurt is

good for the gut but if you already have it not

enough. No one should have to die of yeast.
 
Posted by Clint31 (Member # 16420) on :
 
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Originally posted by Pinelady:
Blueberries are highly antioxidants. You might try

flushing poisons. Diflucan for yeast? Yogurt is

good for the gut but if you already have it not

enough. No one should have to die of yeast.

You know whats funny? I've met a lot of docs. And a lot of sick people. No one I know has ever died of yeast, nor have any doctors mentioned dying of yeast. Where did that come from?
 
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
 
Eating light lets more of abx to be absorbed.
 
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
 
....I don't think yogurt and doxy should be taken at the same time....
 
Posted by lemonsnotlymes (Member # 19926) on :
 
I am not a nutritionist, but that is not enough calories to sustain your bodily functions. Remember good food is your best medicine. Listen to your mother... eat more!
 
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
 
1200 calories a day is the bare minimum (for a woman)to get all the nutrients you need; and that is probably for someone that is already healthy.
 
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
 
Clint my brother in laws -brother died of yeast.

He was in hospital being treated IV for Hepatitis.

They did not give him anything for yeast. It took

over clotted in his veins and arteries and he

died. If you would like I can give you his widow

and 2 sons number. It can happen they just chalk

it up to embolism and you really don't know what

caused it. Most people accept embolism as a

blood clot when in fact it is caused by this. It is on his autopsy report.
 
Posted by Jasmin (Member # 19959) on :
 
Makes me think of the thread where some discussed how their symptoms got worse when they were hungry.


As to the people dying of yeast, there are many types of fungi that can have devastating affects on our health.

Emla999/Lyme shared a link with me to a documentary on black mold.

http://www.blackmoldexposuremovie.com/blackmoldmovietrailer.html


Here is an article on histoplasmosis, a fungal infection.

http://www.loveoffering.com/fungus.htm


And here is an article on the well-known Candida.

http://www.freedommedcenter.com/service.php?id=72


So, yeast is not something you want to mess with.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Fasting can increase the levels of toxic porphyrins. More about that here:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=071168

Topic: PORPHYRIA LINKS - Re: Cytochrome P-450 liver detox pathway

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Posted by kellyjk4 (Member # 19731) on :
 
Dairy products should be avoided within one hour before and after taking any tetracyclines.

Mineral supplements and antacids also.

In addition, you should drink a lot of water when taking antibiotics.

I'm taking Doxy as well, and I feel terrible when I take it without eating enough.

I'm with Keebler - eggs are fast, easy and have plenty of protein, which we all need.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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The BBC speaks to the power of veggies:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8106800.stm

Eat less while eating more?


- Great photos here.

(I imagine they used gluten-free pasta from brown rice! Cutting the pasta even in half and adding even more veggies is a good idea, too.)

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Selecting the best fish:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=103

Mercury Content in Popular Fish
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Posted by Erica741 (Member # 15186) on :
 
Clint, Hope you're feeling better today.

I hope you've been eating more since then. Heck I hope you ate more after posting that evening!

How on earth can you eat so little? I'd pass out from low blood sugar if I didn't eat at least 5x that amount of calories!

Did you not have an appetite and/or feel nauseous?

When you don't have an appetite, how about drinking protein shakes and juices to make sure you're getting in more calories.

I agree with the others who recommend eggs. No matter you're appetite, 2 scrambled eggs can be literally slurped down in 3-5 minutes. That's about 200 calories and enough protein to last you for hours.

If you don't have the energy to scramble eggs in the morning, hard-boiling a bunch in advance will give you a ready-made breakfast for days...I think hard-boiled eggs are good for at least a week, maybe more.

I've also found oatmeal and soups easier to stomach when no foods appeal to me. Like with eggs, I find foods that don't require much or any chewing to be much more palatable.

Also just a handful of almonds or spoonful of almond butter has a lots of protein and good fats too!
 


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