when I exert myself I get this red and white spotting on the hands and extremities under the skin, looks freaky and doesn't feel so great.
Posted by coltman (Member # 21272) on :
I get same thing . I believe its because of damaged vascular system. VEGF1 is hormone causing blood capillaries to grow, lyme patients are often deficient ( I am ) -there are several other thing , but basically we have poor blood supply ,especially to extremities (cold extremities another sign) due to degeneration of our vascular system
Posted by wb4471 (Member # 16305) on :
I get it also but includes arms and legs, never really thought anything of it but it does not hurt, just looks odd.
Posted by angrob75 (Member # 16942) on :
i have had the same thing and mine felt like i had fiberglass in my hands or something. Not sure what it is though. Unless it is another lyme symptoms.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
oh yeah, i get this big time. even my legs turn colors. and my feet get blue even...
should just hang some lights on me at christmas and call me a tree.
Posted by radfaraf (Member # 11909) on :
I have that same picture too did you steal mine?
Posted by july (Member # 10469) on :
No way Rad - I think they're my hands.
Does anyone remember that show called "alien nation?" I think it was on sometime in the late 80"s. Their heads had like purple/yellow blothes.
That's what my legs look like. I've had it for 20+ years. One doctor had explained to me that it was ciculatory - my blood was getting down to my feet but not a good return back up the leg.
Since I got lyme 3 1/2 years ago, it is now in my arms and hands.
Posted by djf2005 (Member # 11449) on :
Using something to help hyper-coagulation should resolve the hand issue as well as relieve some symptoms.
Seppapeptase Lumbrokinase Nattokinase Heparin
Etc, etc
My hands rarely do this anymore as I have been on these enzymes now for some time.
Wobenzyme can also be helpful in dealing w/ a hyper-coagulated state.
These substances also are rumored to help dissolve bio-films.
Best
Derek
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
Circulation is impaired. Try wearing some warm gloves to warm the tissue. Constricted capillaries and low blood pressure can often create this in Lyme Patients.
Posted by MDW005 (Member # 22706) on :
My hands are this way for many years. In the summer they are beet red.
Posted by blinkie (Member # 14470) on :
same for me
Posted by Nexus (Member # 23318) on :
My hands look like that right now!! I've wondered throughout the years, what was up with this...
Posted by Gahagan (Member # 21194) on :
During my first visit to my LLMD, the doctor looked at my hands (which look exactly like yours) and asked how long my hands looked that way. I said, "as long as I can remember." He seemed pretty interested in them...but I don't know why (and I've been wondering ever since).
Posted by IckyTicky (Member # 21466) on :
Don't know what it is but mine do that too. I notice it more when I'm hot. My legs do the same too with the yellow/purple splotching.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
reminds me of the comment by my primary when i showed him my feet and legs
"oh i see that alot in overweight white women"....
grrrrr
Posted by mjbucuk (Member # 843) on :
do your blotches have a very tiny red dot in the center of each pale spot? My son does... and I learned his was due to bartonella
Posted by duke77 (Member # 5051) on :
I have had hands just like that for years. The LLMD didn't know what to make of it and didn't really try. It happens to me from exercise or temperature changes.
Posted by yankeesfan (Member # 23090) on :
ive had it from even before I was sick..
Im not sure what it is either but temp and exercise affect it.
Posted by kday (Member # 22234) on :
I have the same thing. Not sure when I got it, but I noticed it. It looks worse when hands are below the waist. I've wondered if it was normal, but never really thought much of it.
Posted by tiffagoo (Member # 23750) on :
I have this strange blotching as well. But its not so bad on my hands. But it is REALLY bad on my forearms and thighs. I asked a dermatologist about it and he said it was nothing to worry about. It doesn't hurt, but it is very distracting to the eye.
Posted by july (Member # 10469) on :
mj - mine have the small dot in the middle. Where did you learn it was from bart?
As far as I remember, I've had this on my legs for twenty + years. I didn't get sick with lyme til 3 1/2 years ago. Thats when I noticed it was also on my hands and arms.
It's just damn ugly - you'd think I had a disease or something.
Posted by july (Member # 10469) on :
Imagine that - I do have a disease - lyme
Posted by mjbucuk (Member # 843) on :
I read about this in Dr S 's book on bartonella. He refers to this as chicken coop pattern or something like that. The small red dot is an extra capillary vessel----- and as as coltman stated above 'VEGF1 is hormone causing blood capillaries to grow'
Posted by tiffagoo (Member # 23750) on :
FYI- I have these strange spots as well, and I don't have bartonella. I do have a co-infection of babesia.
Posted by tiffagoo (Member # 23750) on :
I also wanted to add that my spots have the little red dot in them as well
Posted by mjbucuk (Member # 843) on :
Yes you can have small red spots and they will be babesia.... but there is a difference. Bartonella ones are in the center of a pale area... and are due to new capillary formation. I hope I get this straight: I think that Bartonella dots blanche when pressed on. Babesia ones are supposed to be petechaie... and like small bruises or blood blisters they do NOT blanche.
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
Here are some pics, donated by Lyme patients, that may help?
I have that too! But mine are just on the tops of my fingers. My fingers look dead! I went to the ER and they told me it was quit bizarre but not renoyards and not emergent so to come back if it progressed.
My fingers are always normal temperature, there is no pain, they just have that weird color to them. My LLMD has also seen it a few times and thinks it's quite interesting. She often brings it up and has asked several doctors.
She said that it could be Bart but if you all figure it out let me know!
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