Well, as I mentioned a few days ago I would be going to a clinic in KS for lyme treatment. I also mentioned that I would be starting a thread sharing some of my experiences at the clinic while I'm here this week. Lyme member, ott70, suggested I do this. So here I begin...
I'm pretty tired tonight so I will just give you a brief summary of my first two days here and then tomorrow try to add a few more details. My wife, daisyrlb (she's also an occasional poster here too), is helping me to write some of this and will probably be adding more details about it on her own posts.
I had all intentions of posting from Day 1 of my treatment at the clinic; but, by the end of the first day my mind was like--where do I even begin? How can I even articulate my experience? After "digesting" my experience from Day 1 and now Day 2, I believe I can more adequately express what has gone on so far.
First of all, you need to know that this clinic is not a Lyme Disease clinic only. Even though Dr. J has written a book on Lyme disease, and has a protocol for Lyme Disease, he treats people for a myriad of diseases, Lyme Disease just happens to be one.
Dr. J is not the only doctor in the clinic that treats patients. There are two other doctors in his clinic. I am being treated by both Dr. J and the other male doctor. Of course, they also have a staff of four or more people who assist in the various treatments that I'm having.
It has been an eye-opening being here because of 1) "philosophy" (for lack of a better word). I am still "digesting" the unique 2) testing procedures, 3) the findings (especially in light of what I already know about my physical issues), as well as the 4) treatments. I will do my best to explain these four areas and my day to day experience.
Day 1 - Upon arriving to the clinic I was given two tests (different than any I have ever had and I've had lots). I was skeptical before I even arrived.
I am a very curious person and asked lots of questions and continue to do so. Everyone is very friendly, eager to answer my questions, eager to help in any way they can--whether it be the receptionist at the front desk, the people doing the testing or the person giving the treatments. Everyone is positive. The atmosphere is peaceful.
The first test they gave me is called Computerized Regulation Thermography (CRT). The other BioResonance Scanning (BRS). You can go online and read about both of them.
After having the CRT (taking body temperature) explained to me and having it done on me and getting the results explained to me it made sense. The BRS does not make sense to me. It's similar to ART, yet different. Yet, surprising, the results of the BRS were "right on" because so much of what the doctor was saying was "wrong" with my body was stuff that he didn't know about but I did.
It amazes me and my mind still does not fully comprehend it. It I guess for now that is all I can say other than--as the time goes by "the proof will be in the pudding" as the saying goes. (In the next few days, I will share examples of the BRS being "right on" but for now I want to move on.)
I came to the Clinic because of good reports I have read from other Lyme patients (some on Lyme boards other via PM and emails). I received both positive and negative feedback, but mostly positive. One person told me she purchased Dr. J's book, followed the protocol and was symptom free in 8 months. This person did not even go to the Center.
Some of you have read my posts since I've been posting (since 2005). I have steadily gone down hill, and in the last six months, down hill drastically as some of you know. It's the lowest I've ever been with this disease, not only physically, but mentally and emotionally as well.
A year ago I probably would not have gone to a clinic like this, but after getting feedback from several people and doing an internet search, I decided, as sick as I am, what do I have to lose? It's a gamble being here, it's very expensive and there's no guarantee that Dr. J's protocol will get me well.
But nothing I've done up to this point has gotten me well. I cannot tolerate abx anymore, and the fact that this clinic uses a holistic approach to treatment is what appealed to me. I was actually looking into three herbal protocols, and in fact, I started a thread here asking people to give me their feedback on Zhang, Buhner and Cowden.
Someone on another forum asked me if I had considered Dr. J's protocol. I hadn't even heard of it in all the five years I've been on lymenet. That's how I became interested in it and what prompted me to investigate it.
Anyway, The first half of the day was spent doing the CRT and BRS testing. The CRT was done by a clinician. The first day I was seen Dr. J's "team" doctor. He did the BRS testing. He then shared the results of both the CRT and the BRS. In the mean time, he continued with the BRS testing narrowing down the top 5 areas of greatest concern for my body. Then he mixed several homeopathic tinctures plus gave me two dietary supplements. I started them, right then and there in his office.
The doctor used the BRS testing on all of my supplements, vitamins, etc. that I've been taking, and said the results showed only one of those things was even helping me, and to continue with that one. I had two full bags of stuff--hundreds of dollars of vitamins and supplements! (Again, this part of the BRS testing--on my stuff--I'll comment on after I "digest" it more.)
I'm very tired and my mind is going out on me, but let me just say this, the past couple of days I have been feeling a little bit better and have had a little bit more energy than usual. However, I have days like this on occasion, so whether or not I've just had a couple of good days or the treatment is helping me, I cannot honestly say. Time will tell.
I look forward to sharing with you tomorrow about the different treatments I had. One was ion-cleanse foot detoxing--amazing the gunk that came out of me! The other treatment was lymph drainage therapy mixed with rife and a couple of other things that I can't remember right now.
The other was called Lux electronic gem treatment. They put an infrared mat on it for me to lay on. Tomorrow will be some additional treatments and the doctor will focus on my scars from surgery I had in 1994. He believes that some of my abdominal pain is coming from that, so that will be interesting to see how the treatment helps--or not???
Sorry this is so long and maybe not as clear or detailed as you would have liked. My mind is fried right now and I need to get some rest. Will post some more tomorrow and will be glad to answer any questions you have about my treatment tomorrow as well.
For now I say goodnight and look forward to sharing more with you tomorrow.
Gary
P.S. For those of you who believe in prayer--please keep me in your prayers. Thanks!
[ 03-07-2010, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: gwb ]
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Gary: I am so glad to be here with you and see first hand what all is happening in this "adventure".
You did a great job on your post above, sharing your experience so far. True--time will tell.
You got my prayers, and I know so many other people are praying, too.
ILY, daisyrlb/Rhonda
PS: Friends, thank you for posting and helping my husband through the years on this Lyme journey. And thank you for your prayers then and now.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
wow keep us posted. I have heard of Dr J but dont know anyone who did his stuff. Why dont we hear more about it?
Posted by Topaz (Member # 20216) on :
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us.
It sounds like you are in good hands, Gary. Hopefully this will put you on the road to recovery.
Good thoughts being sent your way.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
I wanted to add another important point about Dr. J and his associate doctors. None of them are MD's. They are all DC's but have specialized training similar (but differently) to those who treat as Dr. K does using ART, muscle testing, etc.
Here's a little bio on Dr. J. from his website:
"Dr. J BS, DC, is a published author and is nationally recognized as a leader in Biological Medicine and the treatment of chronic illness. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree in Nutrition with honors, he received his doctorate at Cleveland Chiropractic College-KC.
Post Graduate studies have taken him far and wide, studying natural and anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the world-renowned Paracelsus Klinic of Switzerland, with later studies providing certification in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy.
Dr. J is also the developer of the diagnostic and treatment technique Bio-Resonance Scanning� and a whole new concept in medicine called Circuit Healing�.
Dr. J has personally developed over 30 novel natural medicines to date. As past president of the American Medical Academy of Thermodiagnostics, he is one of the most experienced doctors in the U.S.A. in one of the latest FDA approved adjunctive diagnostic tests, Computerized Regulation Thermodiagnostics.
Dr. J is presently writing more books and developing a Bio-Resonance Scanning� training program for doctors."
I wanted to bring this up so that no one was under the impression that this is a medical clinic--it is not. They are specialists in their chosen field, but I didn't want to leave anyone with the impression that this is a medical facility and felt it was important to clarify this.
If you haven't figured out who this doctor is or where his clinic is (I know most of you have) from doing a google search, feel free to pm me and i will send you a link.
Today begins day three of treatment. I'm hopeful, apprehensive, curious, and still a bit skeptical. But the people in the office are all very pleasant and have helped to make my experience there a positive one so far.
Topaz--thanks for sending me good thoughts. I receive them! : )
Gary
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
Good stuff gary
Sure hope all goes well
I will be interested to see how you like the ST-8 and the vibe.
Would love to see the new building- Last april when i went they where still in the old building
Good luck..Wish you all the best
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Sounds pretty radical, DCs instead of MDs. But wait...DCs go to Chiro college longer than MDs go to med school
Looking forward to reading upcoming posts.
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Good post, Gary. Thanks for taking my suggestion and finding the time to post about your experiences, positive or negative -- although, I pray they are all positive for you.
Your experiences so far sound like mine the first time I was out there. And I believe I was still feeling skeptic about some stuff on day 3. Even now, I have trouble wrapping my mind around the Lux machine.
I think most importantly is you are in a place where people are positive and want to help you. It is expensive, but I really believe they are not trying to bilk you out of money. And while they are DC's by profession, I still found Dr. J to be one of the most knowledgeable doctors about the human body that I have met.
It can be argued how much medical training a DC gets compared to an MD, but a DC still have to go through some fairly extensive training to become one. The other good thing with Dr. J is he has pursued other training in the natural field, while it seems a lot of MD's are content with their degree once they get it. Thus, the narrow-mindedness of the MD community on the subject of chronic Lyme.
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
quote:Originally posted by CD57: wow keep us posted. I have heard of Dr J but dont know anyone who did his stuff. Why dont we hear more about it?
I think because they publicize mainly by word of mouth. They have only recently started promoting the clinic in the Wichita area after being in business for 10 years.
As Gary notes, the clinic is not a "medical clinic" filled with blood testing and MRI's and CAT scans and MD's. It is a naturopathic clinic with three DC's and staff and some unconventional testing methods, at least by US standards.
From what I have seen on the web, it appears that Dr. J's clinic took some bashing in the beginning from some people, probably because of the unusual testing methods. Maybe it took them a little while to get past the early bad publicity.
Everyone that goes there is not going to like the experience. Not any different than going to a doctor's office. Some people will like the doctor and some won't. I can guarantee that people who do go to the Hansa Clinic and don't enjoy their visit, it is not going to be from the doctors and staff being rude and abrupt with the patient.
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Best Gary! Wishing you success on your 'journey' you'll be in my thougths....
Feelfit
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Keep on keepin' on!! Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
I'll also throw in that while the Hansa Clinic may seem a little unique, I believe there is a joint out in Arizona that does similar treatments. I think it's called the Pine Tree or Pine Creek Clinic. I've heard good stuff about that clinic also, although we all need to consider there is no "magic bullet" cure out there for us.
And if you look at Dr. J's credentials, going out and studying at the Paracelsus Klinik in Switzerland is not too shabby. I believe that is one of the highly regarded naturopathic clinics in the world. I think it's where Cher went to get treated for her chronic EBV a few years back.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
is there an approximate cost per day for treatment there? Just curious. I'm guessing it varies by person.
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
700-900 per day I went last april and it seemed much closer to 700 if not a bit lower
seekhelp - every day the price is different...the first day usually the most expensive with the testing.
Gary, I hope you got my message...I called the center to leave you a message of encouragement. I know it can be very scary putting your trust and last hope into someone or something. Just let go and see where it takes you. Sending you lots of prayers.
Posted by txgirl09 (Member # 21612) on :
Gary,
Of course you are still in my prayers. I love hearing your feedback so keep us posted!
txgirl
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Pricing does vary per day depending on supplements and treatments. The first day is the most expensive generally and usually ends up being around $1000. After that, I was averaging maybe around $500 a day for my protocol.
When all said and done for me -- emphasis on "for me" -- the two week cost was around $5000. I would have to go back and look at my bills to be more exact.
Posted by DaveNJ (Member # 17362) on :
Gary,
thank you for the post. iam really curious how this progresses. Sending prayers.
Keep the Faith,
Dave
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
We're on a short lunch break right now. My wife and I are enjoying the feedback we're getting here from all of you.
I'm looking forward to answering all of your questions when we get back to our hotel tonight. So much to share with you. My mind is still spinning from all of this. It's just so hard for me to comprehend it all. This will be brief so bear with me until tonight.
This is my third day of feeling "good". I usually only feel good one day a week, and if I'm fortunate maybe two days a week, and that only lasts a few hours. But so far I've had three fairly good days. I'm liking that. : )
I would say I'm *feeling* (not necessarily recovering) maybe forty to fifty percent better now prior to treatment, but to me it *feels* like almost 100% even though it isn't. The main improvements so far is more energy and less abdominal pain. Also, I've got some appetite now and far less nausea.
My mind is a bit more clear too but not a whole lot. It takes time and I don't expect to get 100% well in the two weeks I'm here. I've had this disease for 15 years so it will take some time. Will it last, will I continue to improve, that's the big question that will be answered in time.
Brandimc, yes, I did get your very encouraging message from the clinic. Thank you so much. We haven't had a chance to return your call yet. I know you said it wasn't necessary but we want to call you and talk with you a bit. You've been so encouraging, thank you.
Ott, thanks for all of your encouragement too and helping me to understand what to expect when I came here. It really helped knowing that. Will be in touch with you more later.
To EVERYONE of you, thanks a million for your encouragement and support. It really blesses Rhonda and me. I will respond to each one of you tonight when we sit down to unwind at the hotel.
Gotta get back to the clinic now!
Gary
[ 01-13-2010, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: gwb ]
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Just don't use up that new found energy by replying to all of us!!
Glad to hear that things are at least keeping you interested and hopeful. Keep after it!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Good Evening Friends:
Just watching all the treatments Gary had today wore me out! Smile. His last treatment was the Infrared Sauna--and the temperature and the length of time he was in it--was equal to running ten miles. So tonight he is pretty tired.
He told me that he may post later tonight, however he said he just might wait until tomorrow.
His spirits are good and he is looking forward to going to the clinic tomorrow. He is a very curious kind-of-a-guy (as you've probably noticed) and he asks the doctors lots of questions.
Both of his doctors WELCOME questions! That in itself is pretty amazing. (From past experience his doctors have not always, make that not usually, welcomed his questions.) The doctors at the clinic are very patient, listen to everything he says, and answer all of his questions. That's wonderful.
I'll try to remember all of his treatments today, but I'll probably forget something. He had a lot of detoxing going on today.
His day started with an IonCleanse Foot Bath drawing out "gunk". You can actually see "gunk" floating in the water. The first two days there was lots and lots of stuff. Today there was still a lot of stuff but less than the Monday and Tuesday. It's neat that everyone gets so excited in the office to see this stuff coming out. Yesterday there was something that looked like a parasite and everyone in the office gathered round and it was like "yahoo"!
After that he sat in a chair with the ST-8 Lymphatic Drainage Machine focused on his neck and sinus lymph system. (You can read specifically about what this machine does online.) It does four specific things in cleaning out the Lymphs, one of those four things is that Rife frequencies kill pathological microbes and restore health and energy to the tissues.
He then met with his doctor, had his questions answered, then the doctor did some more of the BRS testing. After that the doctor continued with treatments as well as added more homeopathic and herbal formulas. Some of those treatments included a laser treatment to the lower intestines, I think another called myofascial release therapy, in addition he used essential oils on various parts of Gary's body. (As time goes on Gary will share more about the treatments, what they are and the results.)
After the time with the doctor we went to lunch.
We came back after lunch and Gary laid on the Infrared Mat while he was having Lux Electronic Gem Treatment that focused on his heart, liver and spleen (you can probably read about that online too).
After that he went in the Infrared Sauna. That ended the day.
We came back to the hotel and both of us rested for an hour. Then it was off to Starbucks. He had a green tea and I had a latte. It was nice just to chat and take it easy.
We are back in the hotel room after picking up dinner to-go and stopping by Target for some items we needed.
I am pleasantly surprised how well he is doing. I am cautiously optimistic.
Thank you all for your interest, support, positive vibes and prayers.
May you be filled with hope more and more, just like we are! It's great to have hope again!
Rhonda/daisyrlb
PS: I'm sure I've not included all of the treatments, more on that later.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Thanks for the updates. Very interesting. I hope he sees continued improvements!!
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Having been there twice, I can picture fairly well what he is going through for treatments and the positive atmosphere around the clinic. Makes me happy inside just thinking about it. I'm glad that you both feel that there is some hope to come of this.
Prayers and well wishes!
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
This is all great stuff.
Is he using the Vibe?
Praying for you Posted by Topaz (Member # 20216) on :
Wow, the foot bath sounds amazing. I've often seen those foot detox pads and wondered if I should try some. I realize it's not the same, but similar idea.
Look forward to hearing more about your progress, Gary!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
This morning before I go to the clinic I wanted to give you a little update.
Yesterday the last thing they had me do was sit in the infrared sauna for 30 minutes. I haven't sweated like that in years! The temp was about 125 degrees which was hot but no intolerable.
After I got out of the sauna I felt exhausted. They explained that the effects of sitting in the sauna that long will make you feel as if you've just finished a ten mile jog. Whew, felt more like twenty. But it was great getting all that poison out of my body.
I also had the ST-8 Lymphatic drainage therapy for about a half hour. They focused on my sinuses because right now I have a sinus infection so they wanted to work on that.
They started me off in the morning with the IonCleanse Foot bath for thirty minutes. Still more gunk came pouring out of me. It's an amazing sight to behold to see so much toxins and poisons coming out of your feet of all places.
The staff is so funny because when they come in to look at the gunk before they pour it in the drain they get all giddy about it and say, "wow, this is awesome", "look at this..." etc. They're like kids opening gifts on Christmas. It's funny to see how excited they get about seeing people's disgusting looking gunk in the foot buckets. YUK!
The Lux Gemstone treatment is nice. You actually sit on heated gem stones for 30-40 minutes and listen to peaceful music during that time. Very relaxing.
The doctor gave me some some more BRS testing and added some more homeopathy. You can read daisyrlb's post above for more details on this.
Yesterday I was feeling pretty good during lunch time and I actually had a pretty good appetite. We went to Chipotle for lunch, unfortunately I ate too much.
I forgot how much my stomach had shrunk in the past few months since losing 75 pounds. I was miserable and paid the price for that. Lesson learned!
Yesterday was a good day overall, however, last night I was not feeling too great. Maybe the stirring up of the toxins from the infrared sauna caused me to have a herx or maybe it was something else, don't know.
They try to do everything to keep the herx level down as it is their belief that you don't need to have hard herxes to get well with the appropriate treatment. They told me I should not herx from the sauna but I believe I did herx, plus having all those toxins stirred up I'm sure had an effect on me.
Some of the homeopathic tinctures and herbal formulas I'm taking cause me to have loud head noises. I don't know what's causing it but the doctor is keeping notes on it and may make adjustments on what I'm taking later on.
The hardest part for me to accept is what's called the Bio-Resonance Scanning procedure. The doctor has some NASA invented round shape glass gizmo that is attached to his belt. He rubs this thing while doing some weird hand signals over my body. This is how my body "speaks to him".
I'm not saying I don't believe it, but this is the part of the whole treatment plan that I'm most skeptical of. The thing is, you really got to put your confidence in what he's doing because this is how he determines which herbal formulas and homeopathic tinctures he's going to treat me with.
I really have to trust that he's "hearing" correctly from my body or else he's going to give me stuff that's of no value to me. I admit this is the most difficult part of the whole process, but it's probably the most important part too.
I'm taking two tinctures and one herbal formula (taste pretty bad) and two supplements. Some of this is for my stomach, adrenal gland, liver and spleen support. I forget what all everything does but when I have more time I will go in more details about that.
For now I need to eat breakfast and get ready to go the clinic in 45 minutes. If you have any questions feel free to ask. I will try to respond more to everyone's posts and questions later on.
I will answer the question about cost. It will run you at minimum of $500 a day. Realistically, it looks like it's going to average out to be about $700.00 a day or a little bit less. Not cheap, but if it helps me to get my health back, it's priceless.
More to come later. Thanks again for all your well wishes and prayers.
Gary
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Oh no Gary -- Sorry I didn't answer your email sooner. I hope your experience is better than hubby's was. To be honest going to see Dr J was probably one of the costliest treatment mistakes we have made.
Hubby had had no antibiotics prior to the treatment at the J clinic. We stuck it out for about 6 weeks or so back in 2002 when the temps were in the 90's and over 100 many days that year. Hubby ended up being admitted to the ER 4 or 5 times I think, in the hospital 2 times in Wichita and the psych ward one time. We called the doc and he did see hubby several times on weekends on an emergency basis.
We finally left to go to see an ID doc at KU in Kansas City. Hubby ended up being admitted to the hospital there where he was unconscious for 15 hours one day with encephalopathy. What had previously been fainting spells progressed to what I thought were actual seizures during the time we were in Kansas.
I do think the Borrelogen worked somewhat, maybe even too well. Hubby did get a positive PCR test for Lyme during this time from IGeneX. The doc had very little experience treating neurological Lyme at that time.
Haven't read everything you posted yet, but from what I have read the doc has not changed his treatments much over the years. Hubby did the ionic footbaths, the thermography scans, chiropractic adjustments, the chi machine etc etc.
Hubby had previously done all of the same detox things with other docs. The difference with this doc was he wanted hubby to stop all supplements and to take his Lyme formulas -- the Borrelogen and others plus various homeopathic things. The homepathic things such as cannabis all backfired and made a bad situation worse.
I sincerely hope you get some benefit from your clinic experiences. I know everyone is different and the fact that you have had some previous treatment may decrease the odds of a severe negative reaction.
Have been offline for a couple of weeks and just now catching up on my emails and reading. Will be in touch.
Bea Seibert
Editing to add -- Hubby has had other docs tell him he was allergic to his supplements. All I know is that every time we have stopped supplements for either a test or because he was in the hospital he got much sicker. He has had many nutritional tests which prove he needs extra antioxidants and supplements to improve his methylation cycle.
One doc hubby saw a long time ago told him to be skeptical of docs who used the terms always and never. And so I have learned to question everything a doc says and then use my own judgement on whether to follow their advice.
But back then we did stop the supplements as suggested.
[ 01-14-2010, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: seibertneurolyme ]
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Gary,
One other thing -- the third factor which finally put hubby over the edge was the addition of Wobenzyme to his treatments. Doc J had him take 11 pills 2 times per day -- that only lasted for about a day and a half before the final hospitalization in Kansas City.
With no prior antibiotics the addition of this enzyme for hypercoagulation at such high initial doses was just too much for hubby.
Whatever supplements and herbals the doc has you take, I would be very cautious as to starting doses and not add too many things at once. We have had this lesson reinforced several times over the years whenever we get in a hurry to just get over this illness already.
Bea Seibert
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
22 pills a day of that? OMG!!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by steelbone: Good stuff gary
Sure hope all goes well
I will be interested to see how you like the ST-8 and the vibe.
Would love to see the new building- Last april when i went they where still in the old building
Good luck..Wish you all the best
steelebone, I like the ST-8 very much. Yesterday they focused on my sinuses because I have a sinus infection. It's much better today.
They have used the vibe on me two times so far. Interesting, not sure what to make of it yet. As I get more treatments with it I'll let you know more what I think about it.
The building is wonderful. They have an upstairs will complete for more treatments too when the time comes. I know they plan to get into colonic irrigation and other treatments as they continue to grow.
The building is so peaceful and very a very relaxin environment. The staff is superb, very helpful, friendly and do everything they can to make your treatments stress free.
steelbone, since you were treated there, how did it go for you? Are you better now? Are you still being treated by Dr. J or you on some other protocol?
Gary
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
I had no improvement Gary- But Dr J determined that my two root canals where harbouring the bacteria so when i got home i had them pulled.
The dentist said he was right about that. Lot of bacteria in my root canals. So i;m not sure he could have got me well with my mouth a mess.
also had 7 filling replaced...
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by feelfit: Best Gary! Wishing you success on your 'journey' you'll be in my thougths....
Feelfit
Feelfit, thanks for you keeping me in your thoughts and wishing me well. I appreciate it!
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: Keep on keepin' on!!
Yep, that's all we can do--keep on keeping on! Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by steelbone: I had no improvement Gary- But Dr J determined that my two root canals where harbouring the bacteria so when i got home i had them pulled.
The dentist said he was right about that. Lot of bacteria in my root canals. So i;m not sure he could have got me well with my mouth a mess.
also had 7 filling replaced...
Yes, now I remember you mentioned that before. My lyme brain had forgotten about this.
Are you doing better with lyme now? Are you still getting treatment, if so, what?
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by txgirl09: Gary,
Of course you are still in my prayers. I love hearing your feedback so keep us posted!
txgirl
txgirl, thanks for your prayers. Means a lot to me and encourages me to know that so many people are praying. Will continue to keep everyone posted as I am able.
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topaz: Wow, the foot bath sounds amazing. I've often seen those foot detox pads and wondered if I should try some. I realize it's not the same, but similar idea.
Look forward to hearing more about your progress, Gary!
I don't think the food pads are very effective at all. If you do a google search you'll find lots of negative information on them. Maybe it's gets some toxins out but not enough to make a difference.
I can't say that foot detox is a scientific proven method of removing toxins. There's obviously some controversy about this.
This is all new to me, so I'm still trying to comprehend it all. All I know is, when I get these foot cleanses the gunk that comes out of me is amazing (and disgusting to say the least).
Here's some links that might interest you about this and help you (and me) to understand how and why it supposedly works.
You can also find information that say they are worthless. Best to research it online and come to your own conclusions.
Will try to post more tomorrow. It's late and I'm very tired and ready for bed.
Good night!
Gary
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
It's unfortunate to read about Bea's experience with Dr. J. Maybe one positive way to look at it is if all of his patients had similar miserable experiences, then he would no longer be in business.
I hope it keeps going well for you, Gary, and keeping you in my thoughts.
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
quote:Originally posted by gwb: This is all new to me, so I'm still trying to comprehend it all. All I know is, when I get these foot cleanses the gunk that comes out of me is amazing (and disgusting to say the least).
Here's some links that might interest you about this and help you (and me) to understand how and why it supposedly works.
You can also find information that say they are worthless. Best to research it online and come to your own conclusions.
There are YouTube videos regarding the footbaths also. A lot of the videos are meant to debunk it.
My experience after using the footbath at his clinic for two weeks was I had a lot more gunk in the water in the beginning than at the end. The same tap water out of the same faucet was being used, so I was adding something extra to the water.
I also used the IonCleanse on my arms and I felt like crud that evening. My thought was toxins really stirred up from doing it on my arms versus the feet.
This is the company that Dr. J uses for the foot bath and it's supposedly the best company for it. http://www.amajordifference.com/
One thing that Dr. J does go out of his way to do is use high-end equipment for his detox processes. For what research I did do on the Internet, while I was still skeptical during my treatment, it seems that the devices that the Hansa Center uses is top of the line stuff.
Posted by Topaz (Member # 20216) on :
Thanks for the input on the foot baths.
Have a great day, Gary! Still sending those healing thoughts your way...
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by seibertneurolyme: Gary,
One other thing -- the third factor which finally put hubby over the edge was the addition of Wobenzyme to his treatments. Doc J had him take 11 pills 2 times per day -- that only lasted for about a day and a half before the final hospitalization in Kansas City.
With no prior antibiotics the addition of this enzyme for hypercoagulation at such high initial doses was just too much for hubby.
Whatever supplements and herbals the doc has you take, I would be very cautious as to starting doses and not add too many things at once. We have had this lesson reinforced several times over the years whenever we get in a hurry to just get over this illness already.
Bea Seibert
Bea, your husband has gone through so much. You are one amazing woman and I'm always inspired and amazed at how you continue to take such good care of your husband and constantly keep doing research to find ways to get your husband well. Your husband is blessed to have you as his wife.
You mentioned in a pm awhile back to me that your husband didn't do well on Dr J's protocol. I'm sorry that it didn't work out for him. I appreciate you cautioning me about taking too many things at once.
Dr. J has only given my two supplements and three homeopathy and herbal remedies at this point. I have asked him to give me a couple of the popular ones that I've read about that some of his Lyme patients talked so positive about. He said my body isn't ready for those yet and we will have to wait and see if and when my body is ready for it.
He did take me off of all of the supplements I was on which I admit was not easy for me to do. The only one he said my body was responding to was my multivitamin which is "Nature's Way Alive!" He didn't attempt to sell me his brand as he said my body was reacting positive to this one.
I really challenged him on taking me off my my supplements and explained how this disease needs all of these supplements to help build my immune system and fight this disease. He asked me if I was getting better or worse in the past six months? I told him I've never felt worse.
He went on to explain more why he was taking me off the vitamins and supplements but also explained that as time goes on with the treatment we will see which of the vitamins and supplements my body responds to and put me back on them.
He explained that my body simply isn't absorbing the majority of the supplements I was taking and it was forcing my body to work hard to try to digest them and not allowing my body to fight this disease naturally.
His goal with his homeopathic tinctures and herbals is to get the body's immune system to work on it's own and fight the disease as it is naturally meant to fight it. Yes, vitamins and supplements are all good, but they have to be given when the body can absorb them and utilize them effectively otherwise they they do you very little good.
I have a hard time with this concept, I admit it. I have to trust that when he does BRS on me that he is getting the right communications from my body and that it's telling him what I need (or don't need). It's not an easy approach for me to adjust to because of the mind set that I have.
Six months ago I would have never gone to a clinic like this. But when you feel like death is knocking on your door and the abx don't work and the doctors can't get you well, I felt I had nothing to lose.
In some ways it's like AI or Dr K's protocols ( not exactly the same methods but some similarities) and it requires an open mind and a lot of faith to accept these type of protocols. As I said before, it seems less scientific and more "hocus pocus" at times, but the end results is what counts.
It's too soon for me to say what the end results are. I can say that I'm seeing some improvement in the way I've been feeling. My abdominal pain improved the first two days but yesterday and today not so good. My mind and emotional state is improved about 25% or more. My energy level has improve about the same amount.
I am hoping to get the funds to stay one more week as is recommended but at this point Im not sure if we can do that or not. I will know by the end of the day if financially we will be able to stay one more week. I hope I can because I do feel it's benefiting me so far.
Oh, another thing. The doctor asked me to try to stop taking digestive enzymes and see if anything changes. I did stop but noticed that my foods weren't getting digested as well. He looked at what I was taking and tested it on me and said it was a very good digestive enzyme and said I could stay on them but increased my dosage from one to three with meals.
I've often wondered if I should be taking more as I felt I should but am always taking things cautiously and prefer to take too little than too much. I take the Digest Gold for those who are interested in knowing.
I have gone into this with my eyes wide open. I warned the doctor before we started that I would be questioning everything he does and want to know why he's doing it and what the exact ingredients are to each product he gives me. He's been perfectly fine with this and even enjoys answering my questions.
You can see from his enthusiasm and how he works and explains everything that he loves what he's doing. He's a positive person and I believe that plays a big role in his treatments. He sees people who are physically sick but he treats the whole person, body, mind and spirit because they're all intertwined into one.
This approach isn't for everyone, and like I said, six months ago I would have never considered coming to a clinic like this. Dr J does not promise to heal everyone who goes to his clinic and even says that not everyone leaves his clinic healed.
Some leave getting better and continue to get better over time, some never get better at all. Dr J is a Christian and he is humble enough to admit that even if you get well and totally healed it isn't because of him. He credits God for all good things that take place in the healing of one's body.
Some people might not like it that he's a man of faith. But he doesn't preach at you or make you feel uncomfortable in any way because of his faith. He's more open to me about his faith because I'm a Christian and involved in the ministry so he and I talk a lot about God, but I don't think he does that with everyone (but I can't say for certain one way or the other).
Anyway, that's kind of off point but did want to bring this up because I know people there are reading my posts and wondering if maybe this is something they should do. I want to be completely open and honest about my whole experience here so that anyone who's giving thought to going to this clinic will have all the facts, "the good, the bad and the ugly" (so to speak).
Right now, all I can say is I'm doing better than I was before I got here. I'm still skeptical of some of the BRS stuff, but I am trying to keep an open mind and be positive about it because I don't want my negativism to hinder any progress that I might have.
Oh boy, it's getting late! I need to shower and eat and get on over to the clinic. Will share more of my experience yesterday with the rest of you.
Let me just say this, I had a full body massage yesterday that was the most intense massage I ever had in my life! The massage technician massaged EVERY part of my body (well every part except "down there"). : ) But I mean every muscle in my body was massaged in a way that I had never experienced before.
When I continue my postings later on I will tell you how it made me feel afterwards. That was an interesting experience.
More to come soon...
Gary
[ 01-15-2010, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: gwb ]
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
Gary.. I meant to respond sooner but I was not so able as I ended up ill and in the hospital for the week.
But.. I am so glad your seeing progress and thank you for sharing all the details of your experience there.
I would like to say one thing ... and take it for what it is worth .... sometimes there are things that do not make sense in our minds and there fore we become "skeptical" such as the machine that your doctor is using and the method he is using to see what your diagnosis is and best meds are etc.
This is something I feel you should try to let go off during your stay. Let yourself trust it. Since your there and that is the main way your doctor is guiding your treatment I think it is important to give yourself to it. Being one with your choices and your treatment.
My doctor at the clinic I went to used it as well. Not ongoing but did use it at certain check points. I have also seen another homeopathic doctor who used it and I have learned that is is quite and not only quite but extremely accurate and wonderful tool.
As a matter of fact that is how I want to follow up and fine tune my follow up protocols as I get better for the exact reasons your doctor states. Many of the supplements we take or use may not be being used by our bodies or may not be the the right ones or we may not even need them. Some just need dosage adjustments.
There is no other technique that can tell you all this and after experience and hearing others I feel that it is a valid and efffective tool.
I hope that you can ease your scepticism as time goes on and learn to trust it. It might make you feel better just by being able to take that step.
Sometimes just the faith we have in what we are doing or what we choose can determine how well we respond to it.
Your doing an amazing job over there... and I hope you do not take my comments in any negative fashion. It was intended as positive support and just comments that I think will help cross that line that you are openly admitting is a tough on for you.
Blessings and Keep on that path to improvement and trust in yourself and the choices your making. Something is guiding you to this route and through this process and towards your healing. Your faith in that and in God and in that a higher power that is there for you is amazingly powerful.
I believe in the power of prayer and therefore sending lots of prayers and good thoughts and healing thoughts to you during this important time.
Blessings..
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by springshowers: Gary.. I meant to respond sooner but I was not so able as I ended up ill and in the hospital for the week.
But.. I am so glad your seeing progress and thank you for sharing all the details of your experience there.
I would like to say one thing ... and take it for what it is worth .... sometimes there are things that do not make sense in our minds and there fore we become "skeptical" such as the machine that your doctor is using and the method he is using to see what your diagnosis is and best meds are etc.
This is something I feel you should try to let go off during your stay. Let yourself trust it. Since your there and that is the main way your doctor is guiding your treatment I think it is important to give yourself to it. Being one with your choices and your treatment.
My doctor at the clinic I went to used it as well. Not ongoing but did use it at certain check points. I have also seen another homeopathic doctor who used it and I have learned that is is quite and not only quite but extremely accurate and wonderful tool.
As a matter of fact that is how I want to follow up and fine tune my follow up protocols as I get better for the exact reasons your doctor states. Many of the supplements we take or use may not be being used by our bodies or may not be the the right ones or we may not even need them. Some just need dosage adjustments.
There is no other technique that can tell you all this and after experience and hearing others I feel that it is a valid and efffective tool.
I hope that you can ease your scepticism as time goes on and learn to trust it. It might make you feel better just by being able to take that step.
Sometimes just the faith we have in what we are doing or what we choose can determine how well we respond to it.
Your doing an amazing job over there... and I hope you do not take my comments in any negative fashion. It was intended as positive support and just comments that I think will help cross that line that you are openly admitting is a tough on for you.
Blessings and Keep on that path to improvement and trust in yourself and the choices your making. Something is guiding you to this route and through this process and towards your healing. Your faith in that and in God and in that a higher power that is there for you is amazingly powerful.
I believe in the power of prayer and therefore sending lots of prayers and good thoughts and healing thoughts to you during this important time.
Blessings..
springshowers, so glad you are doing better now. I read your post about the picc line infection. Glad to know you are getting better.
Thanks for your words of encouragement. I agree with you that I need to trust the doctor and his protocol and be less skeptical. I have confidence in both of the doctors who are treating me. Both of them are wonderful doctors and I feel very comfortable with them.
More and more I am trusting that God is in this and trying to release my fears and skepticism to God and let the doctors do what they think is best for me. Or course, I do question everything they do and ask them to explain why they're doing this, or that, etc. I can tell they really care and have my best interests at heart.
I was planning to share a few more details of the past two days at the clinic but I'm too tired to go into it right now. I did get another massage today and it was even better than yesterday. My body had adjusted to it and was more relaxed and ready for the second massage today.
The massages feel so wonderful and it's something like I've never experienced before. Yesterday I became pretty tired after the massage and somewhat shaky which I guess could have been a herx reaction from the toxins moving around. Today it happened again but was not as bad as yesterday. I'm feeling pretty calm and relaxed tonight.
While some of the testing procedures are hard for me to comprehend, I will say that both doctors have been right on with their diagnosis. It's not just about treating lyme, it's about getting the body regulated and helping it to work against the disease on it's own.
It's hard for me to communicate all of this at this point, but my wife and I are learning a lot each day we go to the clinic. We're also reading his book and little by little it's beginning to make more sense to us. I'm hoping to be able to explain more about this protocol as I understand it better so that I can communicate it more effectively here on the forum.
Anyway, I want you to know that I do receive what you said in a positive way. I don't feel like you were being negative at all. I believe that what you said is true and I appreciate your encouragement to "let go, and let God" do His thing through these wonderful people at the clinic. I know my skepticism will hinder my progress and I definitely don't want that.
I am feeling better, not as good as I want to feel of course, but I've had more consistent good days than I've had in a long time. I do believe we're on the right tract and am looking forward to spending one more week at the clinic. I think it will make a big difference being here one more week getting the full two treatments.
We still don't have the money to pay for next week's treatment yet, but we are praying and trusting God that He will provide the funds we need at the right time. He provided us with the funds for the first week and we believe that somehow He'll provide the funds for the final week.
Again, thanks so much for your positive encouragement and prayers. It means a lot to my wife and I to know that so many of our friends here at lymenet are praying for us.
Tonight, I can honestly say that I feel calm, relaxed and cautiously optimistic about the future. That's a dramatic change to how I felt prior to coming here over one week ago.
Tomorrow I'm hoping to share more information (with my wife's help) about the past two days of treatment I've received at the clinic.
You remain in our prayers and we are trusting God to continue to do a good work in your body. I'm sorry you've been through so much pain and suffering with this disease.
To all who have been reading this thread, feel free to ask questions about anything I've shared regarding my treatments, the clinic, doctors, etc. I'm willing to answer any questions you may have.
Time for me to hit the sack. Good night everyone and thanks for all your support, good wishes and prayers.
Gary
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
I thought you'd find this interesting regarding Gary's BRS (Bio Resonance Scanning) results.
Dr. J uses the BRS test in his exam and treatment (Dr. K uses ART in his exam and treatment).
After the BRS testing the doctor shared the BRS test results and order of priority of the top five areas of concern in Gary's body.
Following is priority number one:
#1 was Reproductive Organs. The doctor went on to share that the BRS results showed that Gary's body was deficient in testosterone, plus he shared that Gary's body would not be able to utilize testosterone that was given to him, so the doctor made Gary a homeopathic remedy that supports the reproductive organs.
In the medical history that Gary wrote, plus medical reports from Oklahoma, he shared nothing about having a testosterone deficiency (he is off the charts low). His urologist, plus a GP had him try testosterone creams, but they didn't work. Another doctor, endocrinologist, had him try shots, yes injections and still they didn't work. The doctors just told Gary that since it's not working, that's ok and dropped the matter.
However it bothered Gary a lot. He did research on the internet and learned the dangers of having low testosterone, specifically related to the heart. For the past 3-4 months he has been telling me that he was VERY concerned about having such low testosterone because of the relationship between testosterone and the bad effects on the heart (see PS below).
The BRS testing picked that up and was exactly information that Gary and I knew but that the doctor didn't know.
That's amazing!
The doctor is also giving him other homeopathic and herbal remedies to help with the other issues he's having.
We're seeing progress and are hope-filled once again.
Rhonda
PS: Gary has been treated for Lyme for five years (although he's had it since 1994). Those of you who have been reading gwb's posts know that nothing has helped and he has been steadily going down hill. About six months ago he took a drastic turn for the worse and has lost over 75 pounds. He's been in and out of ERs (DUE TO HEART ISSUES--HEART RACING, IRREGULAR HEART BEAT AND HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE.
[ 01-16-2010, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: daisyrlb ]
Posted by eds (Member # 5700) on :
Is there a website or a way to find other doctors in the US who are useing BRS? The BRS testing looks very promising. If you could find someone close to home, then you could go regularly and stay current accordingly.
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
contact the hansa center at hansacenter.com
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by seibertneurolyme: One doc hubby saw a long time ago told him to be skeptical of docs who used the terms always and never. And so I have learned to question everything a doc says and then use my own judgement on whether to follow their advice.
Bea, this post isn't entirely directed to you, it's for everyone who's been following this thread. I got to thinking about this comment you made above. I just wanted to say that I completely agree with you that anytime a doctor uses comments like always and never--watch out!
I do want to say for the record, Dr. J has not once used phrases like that to us. He has been very upfront to say that not everyone that walks out of his clinic will get better. Of course, many of them do, but he is the first to admit that not everyone will get better and he offers no guarantees to anyone he treats.
So far, I believe what he's done (along with his associate doctor who works with me) has been helping me. Today I'm feeling better than I have in a long time. I am feeling good and feeling good more consistently than I have in over two years.
No, I'm not at the level I want to be at yet, but I admit, even if this is as good as it gets (I believe it will get better) I could live with this. Prior to coming to the clinic I really believed that I was having my last Christmas with my family. I didn't tell them that but I'm sure they could sense that from me even though I tried to put on a "happy face" during our time together at Christmas.
What you've posted about your husband's experience at Dr. J's clinic is unfortunate. But I do feel in fairness to him, he has not in any way misled me or promised me the moon. He is a very positive person and he believes in treating the whole person, similar to Dr. K's philosophy.
I am not easily fooled. The doctors here know I came into this somewhat skeptical. I was very upfront with them and told them this type of protocol is not something I would normally chose to do. But when you feel that death is knocking on your door, you will find yourself doing things that you might not have done otherwise.
Just look at how many of us (including you and your husband) have spent thousands of dollars trying all of the various medicines, supplements, herbs, IV's, rife, and on and on, and still haven't gotten better. Not that any of these things don't work, many of them do work and work very well for some people.
But the point is, we don't ever seem to know what will or will not work. We all seem to be guinea pigs going from one treatment protocol to another, and still, many of us never get well. I think it's an individual thing and cannot necessarily be blamed on a doctor, his clinic or a specific protocol.
People on Dr. B's protocol have died (not necessarily from the protocol itself) and others have had success. People have died on herbal protocols, but some have succeeded. Some seem to get well with Rife, some don't. Some do well with herbs, some don't. Some do well on Dr. K's protocol, some don't. How can we know who will or will not get better using one protocol or another, or one herb or another, etc?
I say all of this to try to bring some balance into this conversation. I don't want people to be led to believe that, because of your husband's experience, that Dr. J should be avoided. I don't think you said that or were implying that, you even admitted in your post above that "everyone is different". That's the whole point.
And that's what I think is important for all of us to remember. What works for one person may not work for another, not because the herb is no good, or the protocol is no good, it's just an individual thing as we've all come to learn through our own experiences.
I was taking about 20 supplements a day, and yet even with all of those "good things" going down my body, I felt I was dying and not long for this world. When Dr. J suggested I get off of all of my supplements, I thought he was crazy. But I went ahead and did what he suggested and started taking some herbal mixtures along with his homeopathic remedies.
Today, one week after being treated at the clinic, I feel better physically, mentally, and emotionally. I feel like I just might live to spend another Christmas with my three beautiful grandkids again. Of course, I know I might not, but the point is, I am feeling better.
So far, the protocol I'm on here at the clinic has been positive for me. Will it continue next week? Who knows, but I know that I have to give it a chance and let the doctors here do what they feel will be best for me. I'm putting my trust in them, yes, I'm still somewhat skeptical of some of the techniques.
But as springshowers encouraged me to do, I need to surrender to this protocol and trust the doctors, the treatments and the herbal and homeopathic remedies they're giving me while I'm here. That doesn't mean I won't continue to question them and ask why, this, why that, what's in this remedy, etc?
No way they're going to put something in my mouth without me being able to investigate it. I'm in this with my eyes wide open, but I am going to let go of my fears and make an effort to be less skeptical during my final five days here next week. I'm going to try to cast out all fear and simply trust that God has me here for a reason, and whatever the outcome is, I will have to accept it.
It's been so long since I felt hopeful, it's been so long since I felt good to any degree, especially on a consistent basis. As I said, if this is as good as it gets, fine with me. I could live like this and be a happy camper. I want to get better and I'm going to do everything I can to do my part to get better.
If I only get two weeks of feeling good and go back home to die, well, thank God I had two good weeks here in KS. That's how I feel about this because if I go back home feeling like I was, I know I will not be here posting to you good people on lymenet much longer.
I feel I've been given a lifeline here. I'm going to do all I can to make the best of it. But ultimately, it isn't about this clinic, it isn't about Dr. J, it's about God's plan for my life. I believe He isn't finished with me yet. I believe He has things for me to do with whatever amount of time I have left on earth. As the scriptures say, "Life is like a vapor, here today, gone tomorrow".
I'm taking it a day at a time, but I can finally say something that I haven't been able to say in a long time. I'm feeling good, better than before I came here. That gives me hope that I just might get better and survive this stinking no good disease.
I know I've rambled on a bit much here but I just wanted to share this with you all and let you know how I'm feeling at this point in my treatments. I don't know what tomorrow will bring, but I'm so glad today it's a good day for me--so far. : )
Will be sharing more later on about the treatments, etc. Be watching for my wife's posts too as she adds her own perspective of things, sharing from her point of view. Her user name is daisyrlb.
Thanks to all of you for your encouragement, support, prayers and well wishes. I really appreciate it and need them even more during my last week here.
Again, feel free to ask questions about anything regarding my treatment at the clinic, the doctor, or anything else for that matter. If you prefer to pm me that is fine too.
Gonna go off to the mall, store and out to lunch and enjoy our day. You are all in my thoughts and prayers too!
Gary
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Gary,
God Bless your continued treatment out there in Wichita. I'm happy to see after one week that you are not upset about their practices and packing your bags. I'll keep praying for your improving health and for a source of finances to help support your trip.
I know that I feel I could tons better if I was able to afford routine visits out to Wichita. If I lived in that area, I'm sure I would have multiple visits to the Hansa Center.
God's Peace.
Derek
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by ott70: Gary,
God Bless your continued treatment out there in Wichita. I'm happy to see after one week that you are not upset about their practices and packing your bags. I'll keep praying for your improving health and for a source of finances to help support your trip.
I know that I feel I could tons better if I was able to afford routine visits out to Wichita. If I lived in that area, I'm sure I would have multiple visits to the Hansa Center.
God's Peace.
Derek
Derek,you have been so encouraging to me. I really appreciate your comments and encouragement.
I told Dr J about you and mentioned your first name and he said he remembered you well. He asked if you were living in Colorado and I told him I thought so. He said to say "hi" to you.
Thanks so much for your prayers. I really encourages my wife and me!
Have a great weekend.
Gary
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Gary,
I am very happy that you are feeling better and of course I hope that you continue improving.
One point that I do want to make though. Many of the treatments you have had -- lymph drainage, massage, sauna, ionic foot bath etc are primarily detox treatments. Those are great and needed. And the more they are needed the better they will make you feel. But longterm if the infections are not treated then symptoms will return and the illness will progress.
I just don't want newbies to think that stopping treatment or simply doing detox will cure them. If someone truly has Lyme and other tickborne diseases it is a battle on so many levels. Unfortunately few of us have unlimited resources and as you said there are so many choices to be made.
Hubby has taken many breaks from treatment due to finances or other reasons. And sometimes it is very difficult to know if the meds are helping or hurting.
For patients with the financial resources there are many other docs who offer lymphatic drainage etc. But it is sometimes difficult to find ones who offer multiple treatments under the same roof. The doctors most likely to offer these adjunctive treatments are usually ACAM docs or chiropractors.
As I said in a previous post, hubby had already had prior experience with all of the various detox things -- the main problems he encountered were a direct result of trying to treat the infections with Borrelogen and Wobenzyme. I guess it was a herx or a cytokine storm -- he did have elevated protein when they did the spinal tap in Kansas City.
There is no way to know if he had continued his nutritional supplements if that would have mitigated his herx or not. But the detox measures for him were not enough to mitigate the severe reactions he had.
I guess it is similar to the way some people react to samento or cat's claw and others don't. But for hubby who took the doses of Borrelogen and Wobenzyme based on BRS it was a disaster.
Probably a year later after he had done IV Rocphin hubby did use up the final bottle of Borrelogen -- at that time it just put him to sleep and did not do much of anything. And he has taken Wobenzyme and still takes Vitalzym but in much smaller doses.
Bea Seibert
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Lyme is such a complicated disease. And more doctors (ie: Dr. K and Dr. J, to name just two) realize that getting the best results for Lyme patients requires focusing on the whole person and not only the physical body.
The whole body is explained in numerous ways, for example: body, soul/emotions, mind, spirit OR physical body, energy body, mental, intuition, spirit.
More on that later, as well as, Dr. B's, Dr. K's and Dr. J's protocols--as Gary and I are leaving the hotel soon.
However, I did want to share this link regarding research I read. It is amazing the effects our words have on ourselves and others.
That childhood saying, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" NOT TRUE!
It is so fascinating and powerful (I shared this on another post).
It's VERY interesting. It's regarding an experiment with water and the effect that words, spoken or written due to their frequencies, have on the water.
The research--is what it is--and the researcher comes to his own conclusions.
I see a simple, yet profound, universal principle in this research: Our words are of utmost importance, especially when you consider our bodies are 70% water.
Who'd have ever guessed our words really do have frequencies/energy?
Imagine the effect our words, prayers and meditation have on ourselves and others dealing with Lyme. Plus here is another link. This one regarding research on prayer and meditation.
Please keep those good thoughts and prayers coming Gary's way. They are making a difference! THANK YOU.
[ 01-17-2010, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: daisyrlb ]
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
Hello Gary
Keep on doing what your doing...
Please do not feel like you have to explain or apologize or defend anything, no matter what else others post here or anywhere else.
I had to learn how to do that and when I did I felt so much better by far.
Everyone is Different is so 100 percent right.
Sending more good thoughts and prayers to you.
Posted by txgirl09 (Member # 21612) on :
Yes, please keep us updated Gary! You are still in my prayers and I'm so glad some prayers are being answered.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Dr. K and Dr. J talk about the importance of treating the whole person (such as: body, mind and spirit). These links are thought provoking.
[ 01-19-2010, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: daisyrlb ]
Posted by street129 (Member # 23472) on :
hoping hes getting better
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
street129, Gary is doing better and today is his best day yet. We are looking forward to seeing how tomorrow goes.
Posted by Brandimc (Member # 22017) on :
Gary, if you are feeling good, then great! I know one of Dr. J's herbal concoction has cats claw in it. It made me herx so bad I thought I was literally dying. And he didn't warn me about it either. So, just be careful about the doses on the herbs. He had me start with 3 droppers a day, which is about 30 drops each time. He also gave me curcumin which I believe is for pain. Im not a believer in the ionic foot baths...what Im curious about is if you take your feet out, does the water still turn colors? Seems like the yucky stuff is from the battery (or whatever that thing in the water is). But I did believe in the ST-8 and the vibe machine.
Posted by lymebytes (Member # 11830) on :
Hi Gary, I remember hearing of Dr. J right away when I started coming to the Lyme forums in '06. I did a few of his detoxing products, that seemed to work well.
It is funny he sort of fell to the back of my mind as time went on. I read his book in '06.
I knew a woman who Dr. J helped get well and she could NOT say enough great things about him. She told me many stories of him bringing back people from the brink of death.
He is a God-send for many. Please keep us posted on your progress. Your wife and I have "talked" through pm so please tell her to keep me posted, this sounds very promising.
And Yes, I believe in prayer, in fact it is the only thing I KNOW works for certain :-) -I will be praying for you.
Dana
Posted by Brandimc (Member # 22017) on :
Gary, if you are feeling good, then great! I know one of Dr. J's herbal concoction has cats claw in it. It made me herx so bad I thought I was literally dying. And he didn't warn me about it either. So, just be careful about the doses on the herbs. He had me start with 3 droppers a day, which is about 30 drops each time. He also gave me curcumin which I believe is for pain. Im not a believer in the ionic foot baths...what Im curious about is if you take your feet out, does the water still turn colors? Seems like the yucky stuff is from the battery (or whatever that thing in the water is). But I did believe in the ST-8 and the vibe machine.
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Brandi,
I thought Dr. J had stopped using cat's claw in his remedies, but maybe not. I mentiones cat's claw to him when I was at the Hansa Center in early 2009 and I thought he had done away with that herbal.
I'm not sure what I believe about the foot bath. The scientific evidence against it has much more firm ground to stand on. However, the people that make ionics foot baths don't skirt around the fact that the water itself is going to turn colors. For myself, I witnessed the colors in the water turn different each day with the same water and same charger. My first few days definitely generated more gunk than the days that followed.
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
For the ionic foot bath that the Hansa Center uses, manufactured by A Major Difference, here is the instruction manual for their machine.
Starting on page 10, it goes into detail about the colors in the water and they don't hide the fact that the water itself is going to create a lot of the colors.
Posted by Brandimc (Member # 22017) on :
ott - he did have cats claw (was labeled in ingredients) in mine...said he stopped using samento. That was July or august in 09.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brandimc: Gary, if you are feeling good, then great! I know one of Dr. J's herbal concoction has cats claw in it. It made me herx so bad I thought I was literally dying. And he didn't warn me about it either. So, just be careful about the doses on the herbs. He had me start with 3 droppers a day, which is about 30 drops each time. He also gave me curcumin which I believe is for pain. Im not a believer in the ionic foot baths...what Im curious about is if you take your feet out, does the water still turn colors? Seems like the yucky stuff is from the battery (or whatever that thing in the water is). But I did believe in the ST-8 and the vibe machine.
Brandi, he hasn't mentioned cat's claw to me as of yet. Nothings been said about curcumin either, so far anyway. As Ott said, maybe he's no longer using this. I'll ask him about it tomorrow.
I just started reading about the ionic foot bath controversy yesterday. Interesting. I'm going to do some more research on this tonight. Yeah, after having your feet in the tub for 30 minutes it changes colors.
But what fascinates me is, not so much the color changes, it's the gunk and substances that comes show up in the water. Anyway, I will do some homework on this tonight and ask Dr. J about this tomorrow.
Dr J no longer does the Vibe. He said that the Vibe belonged to another doctor in his office who is no longer with him. Not sure if he's going to get another one or not. Will ask.
Brandi, if I'm feeling up to it tonight, can I call you and talk with you?
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Brandimc and ott70, here's a company that claims there ionic foot bath cleanser is the "real deal" http://www.aquachionline.com/ . Take a look at it and tell me what you think about it.
By the way, let's move this conversation about foot baths over on this recent thread that was started on this topic. I don't want to see this thread become about foot baths. : )
I look forward to discussing it with you further over on the ionic foot bath cleanse.
Gary
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Hello everyone,
SUNDAY, 1/17: Gary's best day since we've been here, and his best day in a long, long time. His energy was good and we were out and about ALL day.
The homeopathic remedy he's been taking right before he eats meals has worked. He is no longer nauseated plus he has an appetite! That is saying a lot, since he's been so sick and nauseated the past six months that he's lost about 75 pounds. (His GI told us if he kept losing weight that he'd put Gary in the hospital and put in a feeding tube. That was just one more thing that motivated us to look for an alternative way for Gary to be treated.)
Twenty minutes before he eats meals, he takes his homeopathic remedies (by dropper). These remedies provide support to Gary's vital organs. Gary also takes Microbojen which provides the body with the specific informational frequencies needed to overcome and control microbes. (Gary's BRS testing showed, at this time, his body would benefit more from this formula than Borrelogen or Lymogen.) All of these remedies and formulas that Gary is taking, work together to support the body so that it can begin doing what God designed the body to do--naturally heal itself.
In addition, each day the doctor performs BRS testing, and after getting the results he does various treatments (from laser, to magnet, to essential oils, etc.--more on that another time).
Gary continues to have these treatments (I'll get more specific on what these do next time I post) : ST-8 Lymphatic Drainage Therapy, Ion-Cleanse Detoxifying Footbaths (also once on his hands), Mustard foot bath (once so far), Infrared Sauna (once so far), Lux Electronic Gem Treatment (which in the past has focused on his vital organs and today focused on his stomach and brain), Infrared mat therapy, Massage with essential oils.
To say that Dr. J focuses on the WHOLE PERSON is definitely accurate--he focuses on the body, mind, and spirit (spirit--he leaves that up to the individual to decide). He does believe for optimum health that treating the whole person is ideal (much like Dr. K and others have come to realize) in order to see recovery.
Originally Gary and I assumed this meant a holistic approach but that's not the case. Also it's not New Age. Dr. J is a Christian, but like Gary shared, "Dr. J doesn't 'preach it'". Since Dr. J has had Lyme and thought he was going to die--he knows exactly what Lyme patients are going through. At 6'7" he is the picture of health, and a walking "billboard" that a person really can recover!
MONDAY, 1/18: Gary had another good day. Almost as good as Sunday. After his treatments we went to Starbucks, then to the health food store to pick up our dinner. We were in the hotel room the rest of the night, both busy on our laptops until after 11 PM.
It amazes me that, except for one day, Gary's not even been taking naps. The past year or two he has been taking naps everyday; and in the past month or so, many days he was taking a morning and afternoon nap. It's wonderful to see his energy level improving.
Gary and I are "grasping" more and more the concept that everything has frequencies as we consider everything is made of atoms. Atoms are energy. It even makes me wonder if "this energy thing" is somehow related to that sense we get about PEOPLE at times when we sense a person is negative, or positive, or evil, or sad, etc. or when we sense a person "zaps our energy"?
Also it makes me wonder about PLACES. I remember visiting the Alamo in Texas about ten years ago. I couldn't quite remember my history (later looked it up) but there was such a sad, sorrowful atmosphere, and I knew something really bad happened there. It was heavy in the air to me. It is the same atmosphere I sense when we go to the the Oklahoma City bombing site. You know what I mean?
Also Dr. J believes in a "sense of knowing" (what Dr. K calls "intuition") as being important. In hindsight, Gary and I both wish we had paid more attention to that "gut feeling"; if so, there are numerous treatments (ie: steroid shots in the spine and even surgeries) that Gary would have never had. Can you relate?
Being here in such a positive and caring environment really does make a difference. Hearing words of affirmation and "love" makes me realize all the more how much our words and thoughts really do have an impact on ourselves and others. Who would have guessed?!
Words really do make a difference, a huge difference (as I've talked about previously). Even what we think about--if our mind is focused on death that too has an impact. Recognizing "miracles along the healing path" and being thankful and verbalizing that is so important, too.
As I look back Gary was doing really bad and I thought things couldn't get worse, but after that GI doctor's comment--things did get worse and Gary went downhill even more rapidly. Above he shares that he thought it would be his last Christmas with the family. (The Bible says, "Life and death are in the power of the tongue" meaning our words and science has, once again, proven the word of God true.)
TODAY, 1/19, 8:00 AM: Gary is on his laptop answering emails and watching the news. I just asked Gary if he wanted to share something with you all. He said, "Yes. The past couple of days I've had more energy. I've been feeling more emotionally stable and mentally my mind has been stable and more clear. While the abdominal pain has improved it is not yet where I want it to be (this is different from the stomach/nauseousness). I am hoping for more progress today and throughout the week as I continue treatments. Plus I look forward to continuing on Dr. J's protocol from home."
BRANDI: Sorry we didn't call you last night, the time just got away from us. We were both busy on our laptops and when we decided to call, can't believe it was almost 11 PM, obviously too late. Just wanted to let you know that it wasn't because Gary wasn't feeling well that he didn't call.
LYMEBYTES quoting you above, "And Yes, I believe in prayer, in fact it is the only thing I KNOW works for certain :-) -I will be praying for you." LOL--that is for sure. Thanks for including your link with your posts. I did go to your website and my heart goes out to you, your husband and son. Lyme Disease is hideous. My prayers are with you and your family for God's leading and healing touch.
Everyone who is praying, thank you so much. God still answers prayer! And thank you all for your positive words, well wishes and continued prayers. They are making the difference in Gary's treatment.
May you have a hope-filled day! Rhonda
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Posted by calmom (Member # 24054) on :
Gary,
I am new to lymenet - came on here to research and consider all the treatments - hoping to learn from so many who have been through so much...
I had just talked to the Hansa Clinic last week. Kind, respectful, hopeful and professional people are all I encountered. They follow up not by telling me what I have to do, but hoping that they helped me know better what will work for me.
Thank you, and your wife, for taking the time to share your honest thoughts, hopes, questions and experience - it is a gift to many of us. After talking to Hansa I thought...all my life I believed these ideas in concept, perhaps now I will have to see if I really trust my life to them. Then I remember that courage is not steppping out without fear, but in spite of fear - once we have done the best we can to prepare - seems somewhat tied to faith there.
I will be praying that you will recieve even more than you are giving, and that you return home on a clear path to the wellness which we are designed for.
May peace be within you.. Maryam
Posted by n.northernlights (Member # 17934) on :
OT about Cher, when I google she went to the Leonardis Klinik in Germany.
About homeopathic and alternative medicine; are you advised to avoid cell phones and wireless and frequencies like that? That was a big issue in Germany with the bionic treatment.
It was said that often treatment failed because patients had stayed at the hotel with all that wireless and using cell phones.
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
quote:Originally posted by gwb: Dr J no longer does the Vibe. He said that the Vibe belonged to another doctor in his office who is no longer with him. Not sure if he's going to get another one or not. Will ask.
Gary
That's a bummer about the vibe machine. It must have been Dr. Samantha's. I can't verify if the vibe machine made a positive impact on my detox protocol, but I can tell you that machine gave me the most sensation out of the other treatments. I did a two minute vibe one day and felt like I had a caffiene buzz the rest of the evening. They toned down me treatments on that machine after that, although I handled it better the second time out there.
Just for sake of information, please let us know if Dr. J is going to get another one if you get a chance to ask.
Keep up the good work and positive thinking!!
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
quote:Originally posted by n.northernlights: OT about Cher, when I google she went to the Leonardis Klinik in Germany.
About homeopathic and alternative medicine; are you advised to avoid cell phones and wireless and frequencies like that? That was a big issue in Germany with the bionic treatment.
It was said that often treatment failed because patients had stayed at the hotel with all that wireless and using cell phones.
Yes, the Hansa Center does recommend keeping EMF exposure to a minimum. They recommend also buying some EMF inhibitors such as a small chip you attach to your cell phone or laptop or a pendant you can wear as a necklace.
I believe the company I purchased from is called BioPro.
Most people stay at the clinic for a couple/few weeks, right?
What do they do when they return home?
Would you still be under the clinics care in treating your lyme? Or do you go back to your llmd?
Gary, after your stay, will you continue with the supplements, etc. recommended at the clinic?
Will you go back to the clinic at all for detox or treatments?
Sorry for so many questions!
Keep feeling better, Gary!
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
"It even makes me wonder if "this energy thing" is somehow related to that sense we get about PEOPLE at times when we sense a person is negative, or positive, or evil, or sad, etc. or when we sense a person "zaps our energy"?"
exactly exactly EXACTLY !
It is great that you can sense this ! IME most "logical thinkers" cannot feel this and are essentially clueless about this.
Posted by txgirl09 (Member # 21612) on :
Gary, you have been in my prayers and I'm so glad to hear some of our prayers have been answered. Please continue to keep us updated. I always look for your post.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Gary and Rhonda,
This thread is truly a wonderful gift to all of us here.
Thank you so much for your generosity and willingness to share your experiences.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Good Morning:
Start of the day and Gary is feeling good. Whooo hooo.
Ott77 and Brandimc commented regarding Dr. J's use of Cat's Claw. Gary asked him yesterday and Dr. J, as always, was more than willing to answer.
Following is not an exact quote verbatim (I didn't have a tape recorder going--Smile):
Out of all the bottles of homeopathics, herbs, and supplements in Dr. J's office only one has Cat's Claw in it (and it's not even the first ingredient). When he uses this herb, he prefers the whole cat's claw herb (as opposed to TOA free). He then went on to share that recovery from Lyme Disease is not "just about one ingredient". For a person to recover it requires following the doctor's COMPLETE protocol that each individual has been led to follow.
So there it is from the doctor's mouth.
His answer really does make sense. If a protocol requires an individual to do A, B, and C plus X, Y and Z; yet the individual only does B, will that person recover?
I am reading Dr. J's most recent book on Lyme, "Beating Lyme Disease" subtitled, "Living The Good Life in Spite of Lyme" (second edition and I notice the copyright is 2008). The book is helping me to get a better "grasp" of his protocol and those treatments Gary is having (which I keep saying I'm going to explain how they're helping). This is all so new to us, mind boggling really (in a good way), and I need to think about even how to clearly communicate this part of the protocol. Hopefully tonight I'll be ready to give it a go.
More later as it's time to get ready.
Blessings to all, Rhonda
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Tracy says, .... Prayers for the Lyme Community - every day at 6 p.m. Pacific Time and 9 p.m. Eastern Time - just take a few moments to say a prayer wherever you are....
You are a person "after my own heart". Prayer really does make a difference, maybe THE difference.
I have to learn how to add those different "smiley faces". I like that one "kissy faces".
Prayers to all, Rhonda
Posted by Limeaid (Member # 22357) on :
Gary, first I want to say WOW. I'm so happy that
you are feeling better. HOPE is a wonderful
thing, isn't it?!?! I know that you have had a
really rough go of this disease, but your faith
and determination have led you to this doctor
and hopefully your recovery. You are an
inspiration, and so is your wife. What a
wonderful woman! I have been ill since June of
last year. It has been very difficult to say
the least. But I have learned so much from
lymenet, I can't begin to tell you. You have no
obligation to tell any of us about your
treatment, or your physician, and the ups and
downs that you experience. But you do. And I
am very thankful to you for that. Thank you for
giving me HOPE. I am praying for you and your
continued recovery.
Best wishes to you and Rhonda.
Take care, Limeaid
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
When it comes to prayers, the more the merrier! Hope you and others can join in, Rhonda.
(To use the little smiley-Emoticons, click on the Full Reply Form; the Emoticons are there and if you click on one of them, symbols representing that Emoticon will appear in your text wherever your cursor was located. Try it - you'll see what I mean after you do it once.)
Looking forward to the next installment of good news from you and Gary.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Limeaid, So sorry you have been ill since June of last year. Praying you make some really good strides in the days ahead and get well soon.
Gary and I both know what you mean "very difficult to say the least" as I too had Lyme Disease. I share about it under the Lymenet link on the "Success Stories"
It is amazing how God is able to work everything out for good. After I was bit by the tick and had that life altering experience--we realized Gary had been suffering with the same symptoms I had. So while I was being treated, he was checked for Lyme Disease and was positive. IF I had never had Lyme, perhaps Gary wouldn't even be around now. Amazing!
Thank you for your kind and encouraging comments to us. And your prayers really do mean so much too.
Curious about your login name "Limeaid". You seem like such a positive person, did you pick that name because of that saying, "When life gives you Lyme make Limeaid?"
Have a blessed day, Rhonda
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Truthfinder, prayers--yes, the more the merrier. I prayed last night per your "Prayers for the Lyme Community" at ____ PM.
OK, "Instant Graemlins" here goes Oh, wow! Life can be so easy.
Thank you and have a fun day, Rhonda
PS: Uh oh, maybe you shouldn't have taught me about the graemlins Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Glad to have you aboard at prayer time, Rhonda.
Graemlin abuse is not a recognized disorder, as far as I know. Enjoy. Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Just a quick note to say, I don't know who that lady (daisyrlb) is who's posting all those crazy graemlims on her posts. I have no idea who she is. Please don't get the idea we're related or anything. ; )
Gary
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Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Gary - that is early stage graemlin addiction.
Some fingers twitch when they get near a computer. Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Sorry this is such a long post. Good thing I'm going to break it up into Part 1 and Part 2. This is part 1.
I keep saying that I'm going to share about Gary's treatments--how they work, plus share about BRS--and I really want to do this. However, not being familiar with the subject matter or the scientific jargon makes it a challenge.
As I try to wrap my mind around it, a word picture comes to my mind. Since I'm just a "lay person" I'm not sure that the word picture is totally accurate (I'm sure it's not), but it is helping me to grasp these very difficult concepts better and I trust this helps you too. (For those in the know on this subject, please bear with me--even help us out. In addition, my word picture may change in the future as I understand these difficult concepts more clearly.
It is a fascinating subject and chapter 8 in Dr. J's book is where he explains it. Let me back up and say, I'm not yet finished with his book, but I'm finding it a straight forward, easy to understand read, with the exception of chapter 8.
Chapter 8 was first published in the peer-review scientific journal "Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine" in 2006 and titled, "Illuminated Physiology and the Medical Uses of Light." The Science and Application of BioResonance Scanning (TM) and Neurophotonic Therapy (TM). (TM = Trademark)
Hello--you still with me?
As I said, I'm going to break this down into two posts. This first post is on how the body functions. The second post, later, will focus on BRS specifically--as I figure out the wording.
My Word Picture:
The human body is like a country--a large country--such as the United States of America (USA).
The USA has a governing body in Washington DC, plus governing bodies in states and cities.
There are hospitals, businesses, churches, libraries, restaurants, garbage collecting and garbage dumping systems and on and on.
There is an almost unlimited highway system, criss crossing the USA from one end of the country to the other and in every direction.
The USA depends on electricity (energy) for EVERYTHING! In the cities/in the rural areas, in the remote areas, schools, hospitals, our homes, our laptops, GPSs, cell phones, microwave, TV, refrigerator, street lights, the list is ENDLESS. When the electricity goes off, when a transformer goes down, when a fuse blows in the house, it messes things up really bad. We had a terrible ice storm in Oklahoma 2008 and electricity was out all over the state (just a few pockets of populated areas weren't effected.) No heat, no cooking, no lights, no nothing. Businesses and restaurants closed down. Traffic lights out. You know what I mean. It lasted two weeks and longer in some areas.
And get this, here at the hotel where we are staying--one night the phones went out; another night the electricity went out (whew, fortunately our laptops automatically go to battery and we didn't lose anything we were typing. The electricity was back on within ten minutes but it effected the internet and there was no internet until the next day.
(This is off the point--but last Monday, in the middle of the night I heard water dripping, it woke me up. Sure enough water was dripping from upstairs through the ceiling and onto the floor. The phone wasn't working (again) so I raced down to the front desk. The gal went upstairs to the unit above us...and to make a long story short, ice had cracked some pipe. When the people above us used the water upstairs it leaked out of the pipe. OK my detour is over and back to my Word Picture.)
I remember two big companies that experienced problems in 2009--Microsoft Word and T-mobile (I'm sure there were others). Oh, yeah, I remember Google and also Facebook were offline not too long ago. It effected thousands and thousands, perhaps millions of people.
So my whole point is our body is like the United States of America. Our bodies are so vast and complicated, with so many systems, and so much going on, and how everything is connected, and how one thing effects other things. Can be for the good or can be for the bad. (Maybe "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas", but what happens in Washington DC effects all of us.)
And that is my picture of how it is with our human body!
So KEEPING THE ABOVE WORD PICTURE IN MIND read the rest of my explanation and Word Picture.
Light has no color. You may remember learning that in school. The colors we see are actually different lengths of lightwaves (photons). In school I remember the prism experiment: when the light comes in and goes through the prism, the prism changes the light into various lengths of lightwaves, and we see the colors in the rainbow it makes.
Everything is made of atoms. Everything! Including the human body. And guess what the glue is that holds all these atoms together? It's light! "Light is the glue that holds all the atomic particles and molecules together." (OK that last sentence is a direct quote from Dr. J's book.) Bottom line atoms are energy (remember the atom bomb?). Where there is energy there is frequencies. Hold onto that thought as you continue reading.
We cannot see atoms with the naked eye.
Our body is made up of atoms all joined together by the light "glue"*. It is like a light "freeway"--really more like a "super highway" and it's EVERYWHERE in our body (operating with all the complexities of our USA). It is creating messages, transmitting messages, and receiving information simultaneously (and my guess is at the speed of light literally).
When the light (energy/frequencies) "super highway" is traveling through our body with no interruptions--it's great, Kind of like speeding along at 5 PM, in the middle of "rush hour traffic", but there aren't yet any wrecks, no bridges down, or other problems so the "rush hour traffic" is moving along just fine. But when there is a traffic jam--traffic gets backed up rather quickly, or when there is a wreck, well, we know what happens.
And this is the same idea with the body. When there is a light "traffic jam" it causes a "backup", or when there is a light "wreck" it causes problems. When this happens--LIKE WHEN A PERSON GETS LYME DISEASE--we see the results when the LIGHT IS NOT FLOWING LIKE IT IS SUPPOSE TO. When this happens it causes frequencies that can be picked up by BRS testing.
That is enough for now. Whew. To be continued.
You all have a blessed day. Gary is doing good again today. We only have today and tomorrow left, then we'll be on our way back home. So, with his much clearer mind, he is organizing his questions for Dr. J today. Gary is a VERY curious guy and Dr. J is a VERY patient doctor.
You all have a blessed day, Rhonda
PS: Truly we are "fearfully (awesomely) and wonderfully made" Psalm 139:14.
* Dr. J calls this network of the light in the body "this fiber optic network, otherwise known as the body's crystalline matrix". (I know I'm not really doing justice to Dr. J's chapter 8 scientific explanation which he presented to his peers, but it is the best illustration at this time, with the understanding that I have, that I could come up with.)
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
I've been typing that above post since waking this morning, so after posting it, I went back and got caught up with the new posts.
You all make me
Have a great day. Oh, boy, I got to hurry and get ready!
Click on the underlined links in the above to read about it (and see a picture of it).
I heard about it from an accupuncturist who went to the conference mentioned (anti-aging) and learned about it. (He was the one who did Rife in FL.)
I'm a little concerned about hyperthermia (-> electrolyte loss)and potential harm to beneficial bacteria too. Addressing both maybe a very important adjunct.
P.S. Rhonda, I really liked your analogy! I'm exploring balancing energy fields from several different perspectives...accupuncture meridians, chakras (meditation via listening to very specific music), etc. Fascinating!
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Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Thanks for the "word picture". It is a good example Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Marnie and massman, Thank you for your comments regarding my analogy/word picture. Coming from you two, WOW!
Marnie says, "I'm exploring balancing energy fields from several different perspectives...accupuncture meridians, chakras (meditation via listening to very specific music), etc. Fascinating!" I agree, it is fascinating!
As I understand (and I use that word "understand" loosely) about BRS, I am just catching a "glimmer" of what all this means in regards to the healing of the body; not to mention I'm seeing it used on Gary, and he is not the same VERY sick person that arrived to Dr. J's center in KS nine days ago. To me it is miraculous. I thank God for leading us here.
I just asked Gary if he'd like to make a comment before I post this and he said, "Yes. Physically I am 75% improvement in most areas and 50% improved in the other areas. Plus my energy level, emotions, and mental clarity is amazingly improved."
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Good Morning ,
Gary and I are packing up for home. Two weeks has gone by fast.
Hard to believe today is Gary's last day of treatment at the Center, at least for now. I know there will be continued follow-up from home as Gary continues the protocol, and perhaps more trips to Kansas in the future. We'll keep you posted.
It is amazing the difference that two weeks can make. You know how sick Gary has been, especially the last two or three years. Nothing in the past has helped him get better and he was steadily going down hill. He arrived here one man and he is leaving another!
I do look forward to sharing more about our experience here, about the remedies, therapies and treatments. Gary said it was an "eye opening experience". That is for sure. We've learned so much. (That reminds me, Part 2 of that post above is still "cooking" in my mind. )
Gary would have posted more but since he has been feeling better, we were out and about doing stuff. Plus Wednesday, when he should have been posting to you, he was out getting the car washed, etc. those kinds of guy things. Then yesterday he just "had to" take the car to get the oil changed before we leave today. I am thrilled to see the changes.
It is wonderful to have HOPE again. It is wonderful to have my GARY back again.
Thank you, again, for your encouragement and prayers.
Blessings to you all , Rhonda
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Posted by kam (Member # 3410) on :
The part of the brain that can read is not working this am, but I will be back when it is working to read this thread.
Posted by sapphire101 (Member # 6638) on :
What an encouraging post Rhonda. Thank you and Gary for keeping us posted on his progress. It's so nice to hear that you have your Gary back again.
I'll be praying that he keeps improving. Sounds like he is on the right road. What a great wife you are and he is so fortunate to have you.
Sapphire
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Saphhire, When we came to the Center we had no idea what twists and turns this thread might hold. The future is in God's hands, and whose hands are better than God's?! (Jeremiah 29:11)
Thanks for your prayers.
That last comment about "great wife" I'm going to print that out and hang it on his bathroom mirror.
Have a great day, Rhonda
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
kam, praying for you. You are so special and a blessing to all of us on Lymenet. Thank you for never, ever giving up. What an inspiration you are!
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Gary & Rhonda,
Glad to hear that your trip went well and you had a positive experience exploring an alternative method to getting healthy! Have a safe trip home and keep us updated of your thoughts about the trip as you mull all of the info you been exposed to.
Derek
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
Great News.> SO glad for you ..!!
Good Luck on your trip home and keep it all going !!
I so agree with all the talk about energy and electricity and how our bodies are made up of it and are affected by it.
A great energy healer I love Adam the Dream Healer is in college studying to prove this theory as he has been given a special gift to do energy healing on people and affects their health and bodies. I have been blessed in the past to go see him three times and each time was amazed at my progress. He has been not coming to the US as much as he is in Canada but I sure need to plan another trip sometime soon.
I truely do have belief in this area on many levels. Not just testing machines or therapies but on people who have this gift that God Blessed them with. WE all have the ability if we practice but some are blessed with much more powerful and obvious gifts.
I know this is not well accepted in the medical field or even in patient fields
But our bodies are all energy down to the basic levels.
Regarding the electronic interferrences >. TV Computers Phones etc..
Our electricity went out last night for a few hours and It felt amazing and calm and so nice I can not describe how great it was.
It really has me now wondering more and more about the affects of our environment. I live in the city. Its tough to get away from it. But when everything was out last night.. Wow. that rarely happens so it sure was an eye opener...
Things to think about and consider.. So much..to consider and think about..
Good Luck..
Let us know how you are when you get home and how you plan to keep the improvements going forward.
Blessings..
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
springshowers: Thanks for your encouragement. You are right about the effects of the environment and there is even scientific proof. Gary and I have been talking about that since being here (EMF "stuff").
Also, we've been talking about that "calm" you mention too. In fact, just tonight we were sitting in Starbucks, still in Wichita, talking about that exact thing.
Here's what we were planning on doing today.
This morning: HURRY to Dr. J's clinic (which is next door to the hotel). When Gary begins his treatments I would go back to the hotel and ask for a late check out. Then I would HURRY and finish packing --remember we came for two weeks with food, vitamins, supplements, even our own "healthy" pans, etc, basically everything but the kitchen sink. Gary and I talked about CUTTING his treatments short today, eating a QUICK lunch, so that we could HURRY back to the hotel, load up the car, and get on the road in order to arrive home before dark. Whoa!
This whole AMERICAN LIFESTYLE OF BUSY-NESS is not a part of Dr. J's protocol as he focuses on the whole person approach--Body, Mind and Spirit--stress doesn't aid in the healing process. Hello?!
We decided to stay one more night in the hotel. Gary went ahead with the full day of treatments. We'll leave in the morning after we wake up, pack up--no pressure. There's nothing we have to rush home to.
And guess what? Gary insisted I get the IonCleanse Footbath and massage if they were able to get me in. It was nice. Ahhhhhhhh!
But I have to tell you seeing all that gunk come out of my feet, especially the black flecks--which is cellular stuff/electronic waves that bombard us--yuck; and I wear a headset on my job and have for years. Not good--Yikes!
I guess that's all from me tonight. I've been exposed to enough of those "harmful energy waves" (via my laptop) for one night.
Praying you have a "calm" night and healing, restful sleep.
Rhonda
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
ott77, Oh, before I turn off my laptop, nice to hear from you. Yes, we will share more. Really looking forward to it. Truly so much has happened in such a short time. Alternative--who would have ever guessed?
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Saturday after we arrived back in OKC, we stopped at Starbucks just to talk and hang out. It is nice to be back home.
Gary plans to post within the next couple of days. I've been busy unpacking, and Gary's been busy going through mail and answering emails. Gary is doing good-- still!
I'm reading Dr. J's book slowly (taking it all in) and a picture comes to my mind about how the body, mind and spirit all connect. I've not seen a drawing in Dr. J's book yet (there might be one though). I have seen the drawing Dr. K uses--the triangle (kind of like the food triangle with Physical Body on the bottom, then Energy Body, Mental, Intuition and Spirit on the top).
My picture, as I understand Dr. J's concept of body, mind, spirit is like a berry pie--for example--strawberry, blueberry and raspberry. The berries are all mixed together and touching each other. What effects one berry effects the other berries and ultimately the whole pie.
I'll share more about the treatments later this week.
Have a great week, Rhonda
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by daisyrlb: It is wonderful to have HOPE again. It is wonderful to have my GARY back again.
That is so awesome!!! Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Lymetoo, It is awesome! Gary had been waking up (for years) hoping "it" was all just a bad dream--then he would move to try to get out of bed. No it wasn't a dream and Gary really was in a lot of pain and very sick.
Today, he woke up and it wasn't just a good dream, Gary really feels better.
PS: I've watched your tutu girls before, but this is the first time I realize there was more to the dance (thus the oops)
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Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Hello Everyone,
I apologize for not being more faithful in posting since we left the clinic last Friday. I wanted you to know that it isn't because I haven't been feeling good. The "problem" is that I HAVE been feeling good.
Since I've been feeling so much better, I've been busy trying to get caught up on so many things I've fallen behind on the past two weeks. Actually, I've been trying to get caught up on--not just what I've gotten behind on in the past two weeks, but what I've gotten behind on since I went on that downward spiral six months ago after having steroid shots.
I took those steroid shots for severe leg pain I've been suffering with for several years. Sad thing is, not only did the steroid shots make me deathly sick, they didn't bring any relief to the leg pain.
Anyway, since we've arrived home I admit I was concerned that the progress I made at the clinic would be temporary and not last long. I've gotten so used to living in pain and being so sick the past six months that my mind hasn't yet fully caught up with the reality that my body is actually feeling better. I kept waiting to revert back to how I was feeling prior to the treatments and, so far, that hasn't happened.
I've been suffering with pain for fifteen years, but the past six months (after the steroid shots) I felt like I was dying, so much so, that I was sure this past Christmas was my last Christmas with my family and grandchildren. I truly felt that death was knocking on my door and my time on earth was soon coming to an end. However, since I've been feeling better I need to work on ridding my mind of all the negativism that I woke up to every morning.
I dreaded getting up in the morning knowing that I would wake in excruciating pain, rapid heart beats, nausea, depression, etc. Every morning I asked myself, "was I having a nightmare or is this really happening to me?" Of course, it didn't take long after getting up out of bed to realize that it wasn't a nightmare. It was a real life experience I woke up to everyday--worse than a nightmare.
Now I wake up wondering if I'm still going to feel as good as I did yesterday and the day before. I have to reprogram my mind and not expect that I'm going to feel like cra* today like I had become accustomed to. It's been hard to do because waking up feeling good is not something I'm used to yet. I need to get my mind caught up with my body. : )
I sleep good at night and wake up feeling more alert, plus my emotions and mental outlook has improved dramatically. I don't feel nauseated in the mornings anymore and the abdominal pain that I've suffered so much with has gone down almost 75%, which is a huge improvement.
I still wake up with arthritis pain in my shoulders, but the pain in my hips has gone down quite a bit. After I get up and move around the arthritis pain subsides within an hour or less and isn't so bad for the rest of the day.
My energy level has increased so much that I've only taken two naps in the past 18 days. Prior to treatment I took naps every afternoon. Plus for the past month or so, before treatment, I was going back to bed in the morning because I was so exhausted and had no energy whatsoever. That's something I never did before until a month or so prior to treatment.
Since I've arrived back home I've been busy working in my office trying to get caught up on my email, phone and mail correspondence. I've been doing things around the house, going shopping and doing errands, things that I couldn't do before on my own.
Even yesterday I was out from 7 in the morning until 7 in the evening going to appointments, doing errands, shopping, etc. This morning I worked all morning in my office and this afternoon I was out again doing more errands.
I had to go to the store to stock up on things for a winter storm that is to hit Oklahoma tomorrow (I wanted to make sure we have everything we need at home "just in case"). This is something that would have been impossible for me to do six months ago, or even one year ago.
I know I'm overdoing it, and I need to put a stop to that, or I'm going to pay the price for it. I need to slow down and rest when I need to, but it's been hard to do because I'm so excited that I can finally do these things again. I'm amazed at how much I can do and get accomplished during the day now without being totally exhausted before noon.
Today, after a full day of going, going, going I'm pretty tired tonight. I realize I need to slow down and discipline myself to rest whether I want to or not.
Physically, I continue to be 50-75% improved, and that's just in just 2-1/2 weeks time. My mental attitude and emotional health is much improved as I already mentioned. My thinking is much clearer than before going to the clinic. I'm still forgetful occasionally, and have some brain fog at times, but nothing like it used to be.
I believe the improvements I've made at the clinic will continue as time goes by.
And perhaps the best thing that happened for me at the clinic--I have hope again! Hope is a terrible thing to lose. I never even thought I would ever say this, but I have hope that I will beat this disease.
I may never be 100% well, but I'm confident that the progress I've made is just the beginning and there's more to come. It's possible there will be some lasting effects (from lyme disease) that I will have to live with, since I've had this disease for so many years; however, if this is as good as it gets--I could live like this and be very happy. That's how much better I feel today than I did three weeks ago. But like I said, I'm optimistic I will be feeling even better in time.
It's amazing that after years of taking almost every vitamin and supplement on the market I was still getting sicker and sicker. Maybe the supplements were doing me some good and helping me to some extent, I'm sure they were. But my health continued to deteriorate to the point that I could hardly do anything.
When I first arrived at the clinic Dr. J took me off all of the supplements I had brought with me. Two bags full. He tested my body to see what my body needed. He put me on specific homeopatics, herbals and supplements that are custom designed for my body's needs.
Before leaving the clinic he retested my supplements (the ones that I had brought with me) and he put me back on some of them. He retested (BRS) me to determine which ones he believed would benefit me and eliminated those that were no longer needed.
And in case you're wondering, no, he didn't try to push his brand of supplements on me. He did suggest I add one of the digestive enzymes brands he recommended because I can take less of them than I'm taking with the brand I had been using. He also recommended I continue taking the nattokinase capsules I was taking and added another systemic proteolytic enzyme that he felt would benefit me (my body tested positive for).
Several people have emailed or pm'd me asking what products he has me on. I will share this with you in my next post, but will do so somewhat reluctantly because the remedies he put together for me may not necessarily be the right remedies for you.
Yes, you can purchase these homeopathic and herbal remedies from his website, and quite possibly get well from taking them. I believe you'd have a lot more success if you went to his clinic for the BRS testing, and other testing (and his treatments) so that he can provide you with the protocol to fit your individual needs. This is important for you to keep in mind as you read about the various remedies he has me on. What works for me may not work as effectively for you.
If you have any questions about anything I've shared, feel free to ask.
Right now I'm tired and am about ready for bed.
Thanks again for all of you who supported me with your encouraging words and prayed for me during my treatments.
You are all in my prayers too.
Gary
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Wonderful news, Gary!
Did Dr. J suggest that you continue with some of the therapies, like the detox foot baths?
I'd like to make a suggestion, and I certianly won't be offended in any way if you - or other posters - don't like the idea.
My suggestion is to change the name of your thread to include the word "Hansa", or some other word that easily identifies the topic of the thread.
This thread could be so helpful to any others out there wishing to learn about the center in KS and/or Dr. J's method, and changing the title of the topic would make it much easier to find this thread by doing a search at LymeNet.
What do you think?
Keep up the continued success!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Tracy, as per your suggestion, I changed the name of the thread to include the word Hansa. I went ahead and put the full name Hansa Center on there since that's the name of the clinic. Thanks for suggesting this.
Yes, Dr J suggested I find a place that has foot detoxes and some of the other therapies I had at the Hansa Center and continue with them. I've only found one place that has some of the therapies here in our city.
I'm going to continue looking to see if I can find places that do some of the other therapies. I doubt I'll find a place that offers all the treatments and equipment their clinic has as it's pretty pricy stuff.
The S-T8 Lymph Drainage Therapy is something I'd like to continue if possible. That's powerful equipment. I had a bad sinus infection while I was there. They put the equipment on my cheeks and neck and in the next two days the infection was gone.
Although, it's not required, I do plan to return to the clinic in a couple of months to be reevaluated and continue with some more treatments and therapies. Wish we didn't live so far from the center as I would go more often if we were closer.
Later today I will post the remedies I'm taking because I know some people are curious about this.
Thanks so much for your support and encouragement!
Gary
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
And thank YOU and Rhonda for all the helpful info that may be beneficial to someone else.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I wanted to ask about the Ionic Foot cleanses.... I was all into this until I watched a video on youtube where a man had an ionic foot cleanse and placed a carrot in the bath, and the water STILL came up brown and muddy with things floating around..
it is about 6 videos I think... but it defintely proved that what is comeing out is NOT from our bodies.. I mean, all that was in there was a carrot and teh SAME thing happened as if feet were in there... this really depressed me as I tend to go for the alternative.. and this made me mad/sad and confused...
Anyway, I am very happy for your improvements at Hansa center!! I hope you continue to improve! Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I'm not sure the carrot proves anything at all. It's hard to compare feet with carrots.
Here's a pdf file comparing heavy metal content in ionic cleanse water after running it with feet in it, and also WITHOUT feet in it. See what you think.
Wonder if that means the carrot wasn't organic? Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Tracy - can't thank you enough for that link even though it is from one of those wild + crazy Doctors of Chiropractic !
There are many idiotic things on the net, and comparing the water color with + without feet in is IMO pretty idiotic. Well, maybe not pretty but very idiotic Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
When Gary was at the Center I did the IonCleanse. Mine was different than Gary's in that I had more black flecks (that is the toxins from cellular--EMF (ElectroMagnetic Fields)--kind of stuff). It makes sense as on my job I wear a headset! I want to get a headset that doesn't destroy my brain. Yikes.
I am really checking into the EMF stuff. It makes sense to me. Pretty scarry though.
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Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by UnexpectedIlls: I wanted to ask about the Ionic Foot cleanses.... I was all into this until I watched a video on youtube where a man had an ionic foot cleanse and placed a carrot in the bath, and the water STILL came up brown and muddy with things floating around..
it is about 6 videos I think... but it defintely proved that what is comeing out is NOT from our bodies.. I mean, all that was in there was a carrot and teh SAME thing happened as if feet were in there... this really depressed me as I tend to go for the alternative.. and this made me mad/sad and confused...
Anyway, I am very happy for your improvements at Hansa center!! I hope you continue to improve!
Yes, I saw that video too. I've read the websites that claim ionic foot baths are scams, etc. There is a lot of controversy about this treatment. There is also evidence (search google) that prove that ionic foot baths do indeed detox our bodies.
While I was at the clinic, I said to the gal who does the ionic foot baths, "I wonder what would happen if you just put the ionic device in the water without anyone's feet in it, would the water still change colors?" She said, "good question, let's do it and see what happens". I was surprised she was willing to volunteer to do that. She admitted that she had no idea what the outcome would be as she's never done it before.
She set up the tub with water and put the ionic device in for thirty minutes while I was next to it using the ionic foot bath. In 30 minutes the water did change colors, it was basically a burnt orange color, but and there was no gunk coming out of it. My tub had changed to a dark greenish/black color and had pieces of gunk and stringy like things in it that the other tub did not have.
The reason the water changed colors in the empty tub (my understanding) was because the water itself is polluted to some extent. They don't use distilled water, they use tap water that comes from the city. You have to use water with minerals in it for it to work effectively. I saw with my own eyes the dramatic difference between my foot bath and the gunk that came out of it as opposed to the empty tub that had only changed to a burnt orange color--with no gunk.
My wife was getting a detox at the same time and she had gunk coming out of her feet that was totally different than mine. Her water color was not quite as dark as mine was either, except for some black specks that came out of her. They also did my hands on another day and the water changed colors, but it didn't get very dark, however, there was some white stringy substances coming out of them (probably yeast).
A fellow sitting next to me was having his hands done. His water turned to a dark greenish color with gunk coming out of them. The gal who takes care of the ionic baths said she rarely sees that much gunk and color change when people have their hands in the ionic bath. His hands were putting out as much gunk and toxins as my feet were.
About the carrot, well, the way I see it, the carrot is pulled from the ground (dirt), so I would expect that it would pull any dirt and toxins that remained in it. It kind of makes sense that a carrot would have dirt and toxins come out of it since it comes from the dirt--right?
Anyway, whether or not the ionic foot bath is a legitimate way to detox or not, I'm no expert, so I really can't say with scientific certainty one way or the other. I can only tell you what I saw being demonstrated while I was there. I can also tell you that I left the clinic feeling much better than when I arrived.
Of course, the ionic foot bath was only a small part of the many treatments I had over the course of two weeks. How much of a role it played in my healing process, I have don't know. I was detoxified with a number of different treatments, including the infrared sauna. The various homeopathic and herbal remedies I was given also help my body to detoxify.
Bottom line is this, I got better and continue to get better since I left the clinic. Even if the ionic foot bath did me no good (I think it did), at least all the other treatments proved to be effective for me, and I continue to reap the benefits from it today.
If you'd like to know more about the treatments I had, such as the ST-8 Lymph Drainage Therapy, infrared sauna, etc, you can go to their website and learn more about their equipment and treatment methods. I plan to list the various homeopathic and herbal remedies I'm on later tonight when I have more time.
By the way, I'm not trying to defend the ionic foot as a legitimate scientific method for detoxifying. I'm a skeptic by nature, and I admit, I'm still a little skeptical about it. I encourage people to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. I plan to do more research on this eventually because I'm curious and want to educate myself more on this.
Gary
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Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
why is it idiotic? I don;t want to get into debate... but weather the carrot was organic or not the water turned thick brown and had flecks and all the stuff that occurs when FEET are in it, which is supposedly caused by toxins and metals.. I guess that little carrot had metals and massive amoints of toxins in it...
I do not want to take away from the purpose of this thread, I was just upset because it was something i believed in... and I was kind of devastated by it.. kind of like a lot of other things I believed in (alternatve) that have let me down Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I was posting at the same time gary!
Thank you!!! I am sorry, I do not want to take away from your thread.. I apologize. I was just really upset by that video and some of the research I have been doing on it.
I am SO thrilled that you are feeling better!!! I LOVE to hear when people heal, no matter WHAT it took them to get there!!
I will keep researching and am actually going to try the foot bath myself!
Peace & Blessings!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by UnexpectedIlls: I was posting at the same time gary!
Thank you!!! I am sorry, I do not want to take away from your thread.. I apologize. I was just really upset by that video and some of the research I have been doing on it.
I am SO thrilled that you are feeling better!!! I LOVE to hear when people heal, no matter WHAT it took them to get there!!
I will keep researching and am actually going to try the foot bath myself!
Peace & Blessings!
No need to apologize. I appreciate you bringing this up as it causes us all to think twice about what we do. I think it's important we be diligent in researching everything, especially as it relates to lyme disease treatments, etc. There's so many gimmicks out there, and there's a lot of people who would (and do) take advantage of people like us who are always looking for a way to get better.
It's important we all keep searching until we find the path and treatment that's right for us. Sadly, the traditional abx route didn't work for me. This protocol, that I was so skeptical about, is working and helping me to get better.
It may not work for everyone, but if people have spent years on abx and haven't gotten better, I would say it's time to consider alternative therapy.
In fact, with what I know now, I would have chosen to first be treated with the protocol I'm on now rather than start with abx. But like I said, everyone has to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. I just wish I would have known about this protocol much sooner that I did.
Anyway, I hope and pray things get better for you too!
Gary
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Unexpected - did you look at the link Tracy posted ?
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
You may have wondered about Gary's experience regarding herxes. I was shocked Gary did not go through terrible herxes at the Center and as he says, so far, not at home either.
Myself, having had Lyme Disease and experiencing some bad herxes that put me in bed (sometimes for days) and sent me to the ER (only once--I determined I'd never go back to the ER again) I could only imagine what he might experience at the clinic.
We were both pleasantly surprised.
Dr. J writes in his book, "A Herxheimer reaction (herx) is a sign of a poor treatment plan and is unnecessary. A herx greatly increases the toxic load on the body, at its worst it can kill an illness-weakened patient outright. A herx can temporarily or permanently disable the body, mind and spirit."
WOW, that's something to think about.
Needless to say, Gary's daily protocol (approximately 9 AM - 4 PM, we did take a lunch break) included a daily visit with the doctor for evaluation, testing and treatments by the doctor; as well as treatments and therapies using different equipment; thereby focusing on both of Dr. J's protocol goals: building the integrity of the body and detoxing the body. I almost chose a graemlin here but decided against it (even though it would have been perfect).
In the past five years, Gary's LLD, LLMD or MDs would see him for a visit (probably similar to what you've experienced) for a 1/2 hour or even 1 hour, update his records, abx and abx schedule, then have his secretary schedule an appointment for anywhere from one month to three months later for follow-up. Unfortunately, Gary was not getting better (you already know that).
Going to the Center and being treated for ten full days seems to really have "jump started" (for lack of better words) Gary's recovery. And of course, we do believe in the power of prayer and thank everyone who has prayed and continues to pray for Gary.
To be continued next time.
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Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
"Dr. J writes in his book, "A Herxheimer reaction (herx) is a sign of a poor treatment plan and is unnecessary. A herx greatly increases the toxic load on the body, at its worst it can kill an illness-weakened patient outright. A herx can temporarily or permanently disable the body, mind and spirit." "
AMEN X 1,000,000
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
Got this email the other day about the hansacenter
Announcement from Dr J Hansa Center for Optimum Wellness Wednesday, January 27, 2010 Hansa Center 12219 East Central Wichita, KS 67206 316-686-5900 www.hansacenter.com
Dear Paul,
Dr. J went to Washington D.C. at a healthcare summit to meet with the U. S. Surgeon General, as well as Dean Ornish, M.D., and other key figures in conventional and alternative health care to work at integrating natural medicine philosophies and treatments into mainstream medicine and hospitals.
With President Obama's struggles to create a more effective healthcare system and with the present global economic crisis, Dr. J has decided to help those in need with his own version of an ``Economic Stimulus Package'' by creating a completely new concept...
An All-Inclusive 2 week (10 day) Intensive Treatment Program that saves you up to $4000 and includes 40+ hours of all of his customized testing, treatments, and therapies...this even includes all of the natural remedies and supplements you might need...it even includes daily therapeutic massage therapy!
This stimulus is only a short term pilot study at this time and is admitting only 200 participants. The doctors and staff are highly motivated to give you the best results in the shortest amount of time and will be excited to be able to report the results at the end of this pilot study.
So call today to be included in this program to provide the best healthcare possible on the planet.
Please forward this email to your friends and family. Thank You.
When you register with Hansa Center, tell them Dr Sara sent you! We are having such an overwhelming immediate response to Dr.Jernigan's "Economic Stimulus Package!" There have been numerous questions from the people who have called concerning the details of the All-Inclusive 2-Week Treatment program. We want to answer some of these questions. Who can qualify to be a part of this pilot study?
Any person with any chronic symptoms who are not improving with conventional or alternative treatments.
Who does not qualify to be a part of this pilot study?
Any person suffering from suicidal tendencies, severe psychological disorders, late stage cancer, anyone without the ability to get themselves on and off the treatment/therapy tables
When must I schedule?
If you are accepted into the program, payment for the full program secures your participation. We understand many are coming from out-of-state and out-of-country so we understand that the actual arrival will be determined by your flights. The program is for a 2 week all-inclusive intensive plan of care with Hansa Center for a flat rate ot $5000.00. This does not include travel, hotel, food, car or anything outside of the clinic.
What is included in the program?
The program includes all in-house treatments, testing, therapies, remedies and supplements that may be needed during the 2 week intensive program. Due to the nature of illness only those therapies and treatments that are determined by our doctors as being appropriate for your unique condition will be utilized. Example: If someone has a condition that would be aggravated by using the Infrared Sauna then the therapy will not be included in their care.
How do I get started? To be included as part of this pilot study you must call and request to be included. Pre-Payment of the $5000 secures your inclusion, and for you to schedule as soon as possible.
What is the purpose of the pilot study?
We intend to keep statistical data to document many different parameters to demonstrate what we hope will be the rapid and dramatic improvements possible using American Biological Medicine. We will be tracking items such as the total number of symptoms in the 200 people who are accepted into the program and the percent of improvement on a daily basis during the 2-week period and beyond.
The results of this pilot study will be analysed and published in various journals and hopefully will be entered into Presidential healthcare committee review to include greater insurance industry coverage of natural medicine
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Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Steelbone,
Just to let you know. I have reported your post to the moderators. I feel it is advertising which is not allowed on this forum. If you want to post a link -- that would probably be ok, but the moderators would have to decide.
Bea Seibert
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Massman,
I am curious as to how you think a herx can be avoided if one actually is killing spiroketes?
I always agree that treatment needs to go slowly to minimize herx reactions, but do not feel there is any way to totally avoid them.
Bea Seibert
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Gary,
Am very glad that you continue to feel well.
Have never heard you say and am very curious as to which tick-borne infections Dr J thought you have? Does he think you only have Lyme or does he think you have other coinfections?
Bea Seibert
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
An individual who has Lyme with the same results as Gary--even though being treated continues to go down hill--shared with us that Dr. J's approach sounds like it has many advantages over the standard protocol.
For Gary it seems to most certainly be working for him, and we'll continue to keep you posted.
That individual's comment caused me to go back and read my "Lyme Success Story" which I posted on Lymenet.
In a nutshell: I suffered for one year and four months before I saw my first LLMD (in Missouri) and started abx treatments. Actually I was lucky, I know others (like Gary) who have suffered a lot longer than that before finally getting diagnosed.
Thirteen months after starting abx I was in remission. I just accepted the fact that I would never be back to normal (my body was tired, weak--no more hiking or jogging for me).
Two years later Lyme symptoms returned full blown. Visit to a new LLMD (in Texas). Back on abx. Added exercise to my treatment. Seven months later symptom free. Walking, jogging and riding my bike!
5 1/2 years after tick bite, and one relapse later, I finally had my life back--that was April 2009. And I realize again 5 1/2 years I am lucky, many people suffer 10, 15, 25, 30 years and never do get better.
I share the above with you all to make this point:
Even though I did get better on the abx protocol--When I consider 1) the suffering I went through before getting a diagnosis, plus the continued suffering while being treated (also I had herxes); 2) add to that the money factor, such as days I missed work because I was sick, money spent seeing MDs, going to ER, seeing my LLMDs, abx's and supplements, not to mention hotels, meals out, etc (and I haven't even mentioned how this affected our social life or family get togethers)...
If I could have had my life back sooner than the 5 1/2 years it took, I would have jumped at the chance. When I see how good Gary is doing on Dr. J's protocol I think that could have been a very real possibility for me.
Food for thought anyway.
Time to call it a night.
Blessings, Rhonda
[ 01-29-2010, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: daisyrlb ]
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I cannot believe Paul is getting reported to the Mods... he was sharing a email he got.. he posts here all the time.. I think that was HIGHLY unwarranted.
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
Thx unexpected
I will let the mods decided- Just trying to help people who are trying to get well- This whole thread is dedicated to the hansacenter and gary-
My post was about a special offer at the hansacenter- this post might now allow someone to go there based on the special and have a chance to get well
Isnt that what we all want a chance to get well.
Again the mods can decide
Posted by f13girl (Member # 23844) on :
Do you have an update on your trip to Hansa center?
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
I didnt have the results Gary did
BUT it was determined By Dr J that my two root canals were morphing the bacteria and need to be pulled before i would get well.
So when i got back home I went and saw a biological dentist and my two root canals pulled and 7 silver fillings replaced all in one sitting. Went real well
When the dentist pulled the rooot canals she screamed OMG no wonder why your so sick- The where full of bacteria
if you need dental work i can PM you one of the best biological denist in the ccountry
I see you live in NE..I live in mass and the dentist is in mass
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I must have missed something....
Thanks for posting the email from the Center, Paul.
Since you're not affiliated with the Center and get no benefit from posting the email, I don't think there should be a problem.
The only people that stand to benefit are those who might be able to take advantage of the offer.
Anyway, Bea, the idea that you must herx if you are eradicating infectious organisms (killing spirochetes) is a premise somewhat peculiar to 'orthodox medicine'.
In other systems of medicine, if the patient is suffering from the treatment, then it is the job of the practitioner to modify the treatment in such a way as to eliminate the suffering but continue the healing.
It's very do-able but requires that the practitioner be involved and 'manage the case'. This is often the missing component when patients experienced prolonged herxing on homeopathic medicines. Prolonged herxing isn't necessary, but it's a lot easier for the practitioner to just allow it to happen. Sad but true. Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Bea - per Dr. K + Dr. U who studied a lot with Dr. K - herxes are from the toxins released from the funny bug, not the bug itself.
That is why the detox organs need to be in the best shape they can be in before "kill kill kill" takes place.
Liver, Large Intestine, Lymphatic system, Lung, Kidneys, Spleen, (+ 1 my lymebrain is blanking on) get the junk out.
Some lymies have livers (most important body organ) that CANNOT process toxins correctly so the gunk just gets pretty much constantly recycled.
There are ways to help specific organs get healthier to "handle the load" better.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by f13girl: Do you have an update on your trip to Hansa center?
If you go to my post on 28 January, 2010 12:06 AM, you will see my update from that post on down. Rhonda, my wife, aka daisyrlb, (the one who puts all those crazy graemlins in her posts) also posts from her perspective too.
I am trying to get together the list of homeopathic/herbal and supplements that I'm on now since I promised to list all of them on here. However, we got hit with a big winter storm, ice/snow, so that's been keeping me busy, plus trying to get caught up on things in my office that I've gotten way behind on.
I will do my best to get the list of remedies posted on here later today.
By the way, today is the seventh day since I left the center for treatment and I'm still doing great. Perfect? No, but it's wonderful to feel good again! I'm liking this.
Gary
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Gary, thank you for sharing your journey. Yesterday I finally got around to reading this thread.
I remember (will always) when I too felt like I was truly dying. I had been on abx 3 yrs and was getting no where, in fact I was getting worse.
I made a decision at that time to open my heart, mind and soul to other protocols and went alternative. Sometimes you just have to do what is necessary for you and forget the money issues with treatment.
Dying is not an option. Feeling like death is not an option.
I'm not cured by any means....but I'm not dying and I know how to care for myself now and typically don't feel like death unless I do something stupid or life has handed me something I can't handle.
I hope your story will give others hope that they don't have to stay in lyme & company hell.
Pam
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by seibertneurolyme: Gary,
Am very glad that you continue to feel well.
Have never heard you say and am very curious as to which tick-borne infections Dr J thought you have? Does he think you only have Lyme or does he think you have other coinfections?
Bea Seibert
Bea, Dr. J has copies of my medical files, including my Western Blot test, test for Babs, and an assortment of other tests from various doctors as well. My previous LLMD tested me for Babs only as he felt that was probably the only other co-infection I had at the time.
The test for babs turned out negative but my previous LLMD felt that the test was inaccurate and that he assumed I did have babs. Since we can't really rely on testing results (as you well know) and since lyme disease it's primarily a clinical diagnosis, it's really difficult to know what co-infections I may or may not have.
It's interesting that I would go to two LLMD's (within a five year time span) and both of them could not tell me with any degree of certainty what co-infections I have or don't have. Dr J, through his BRS testing, was able to determine which specific homeopathic remedies my body needed.
He put together several remedies according to the frequency testing he did on me. Bottom line--the homeopathic and herbal remedies, along with the supplements I'm taking, are helping me to feel better than I've felt since I've been treated for this disease. That's something that five years of antibiotics from LLMD's never accomplished. (I'm not being critical of my previous LLMD's or antibiotics. I'm simply stating the facts as it applies to me).
I thought I'd go ahead and list one of the remedies I'm taking now. Below is some information about this product that I copied from his website. I plan to list the other remedies later tonight--hopefully!
* Microbojen�
--Like all of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas, Microbojen�is frequency matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems, like all manner of microbes... viruses, bacteria, parasites, fungi, prions, and mycoplasma.
Microbojen� was initially developed in an effort to prepare for the worst-case scenario of biological warfare. Bio-Resonance Scanning was used to simulate the worst condition we could think of.
We simulated that a condition of smallpox, anthrax, HIV, hepatitis B and C, West Nile Virus, Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), Cytomegalovirus (CMV), Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, and Bubonic plaque all at the same time. This is how Microbojen� was developed. Microbojen�, has been highly effective at producing a supercharged crystalline matrix in the body that could stand against an attack from a wide range of the world's worst ``designer microbes.''
The end result of this research is Microbojen�. It just so happen to test amazingly well against the ``just as evil'' microbe...Lyme spirochetes and their partners, Babesia microti, Ehrlichia and the many viruses found in chronic sufferers.
In a small, independent study, Microbojen� increased the t-cells up to 200 points and restored normal weight and sense of well-being with one bottle in people suffering with AIDS. This demonstrated the effectiveness of frequency- matched remedies at restoring the control mechanisms and crystalline matrix that is necessary for the body to heal itself.
All of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas are frequency-matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems. I will say it again and again, because it is important you understand, REMEDIES from JN do not treat disease (period). They provide the body with the corrective information needed in various conditions of illness.
They are not an ``antibiotic'', although they provide the body with the specific informational frequencies needed to overcome and control microbes. They are, therefore, designed to work with God's design of the human body, instead of ``doing for the body what the body should do for itself'' as in the case of most prescription drugs. When the body's crystalline matrix is functioning at maximum integrity, no disease can persist, and no microbe can create disease.
Remember this if you don't remember anything else I say, ``Simply having a certain microbe in your body does not mean you will generate a disease from that microbe''. As a matter of fact, we know that in polio, in a hundred susceptible people who actually have the polio virus in their body, only one person out of that one hundred will actually come down with polio, the disease.
This fact demonstrates how it is not the microbe that determines whether you manifest a disease, nor is it purely a component of having a strong immune system, or being loaded up with antioxidants. Disease is determined by the integrity of the body's crystalline matrix..''
We see this fact also manifested in every epidemic. There are always people that walk unscathed through the deadliest epidemic. This is not due to the fact that they were on immune system boosting supplements. It is due to the integrity of their overall crystalline matrix, from good genetics and their unique lifestyle choices that created their unique energetic matrix that repelled and prevented the disease.
Bio-Resonance Scanning and these frequency-matched formulas are the ultimate form of healing, operating from a purely ``structural and functional perspective'' in that they target the restoration of the body's crystalline matrix, as dictated by dietary supplement government mandates.--
Thank you for the inspirational story- and PLEASE keep us posted on your progress. I would love to believe there is an alternate way to healing then wanting to die /terrifying herxing!
Gary-it sounds like your symptoms were muscleskeletal?
Has anyone with intense neuro symptoms recovered from HANSA?
I am so skeptical after all the $$$ I've spent on this illness. Hansa markets so much it makes me weary. I'm glad to hear this promising story!
Gary in all what was the total cost for the 2 weeks?
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
I've been putting this off posting the various homeopathic, herbal and supplements I've been on since going to the Hansa Center. I'm going to try to post a few of them tonight and give you links to the remedies when possible.
As I mentioned in my post to Bea, this main homeopathic remedy I'm taking to treat Lyme Disease and co-infections is Microbojen. I've copied and pasted from his website information about this homeopathic remedy below.
* Microbojen�
--Like all of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas, Microbojen�is frequency matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems, like all manner of microbes... viruses, bacteria, parasites, fungi, prions, and mycoplasma.
Microbojen� was initially developed in an effort to prepare for the worst-case scenario of biological warfare. Bio-Resonance Scanning was used to simulate the worst condition we could think of.
We simulated that a condition of smallpox, anthrax, HIV, hepatitis B and C, West Nile Virus, Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), Cytomegalovirus (CMV), Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, and Bubonic plaque all at the same time. This is how Microbojen� was developed. Microbojen�, has been highly effective at producing a supercharged crystalline matrix in the body that could stand against an attack from a wide range of the world's worst ``designer microbes.''
The end result of this research is Microbojen�. It just so happen to test amazingly well against the ``just as evil'' microbe...Lyme spirochetes and their partners, Babesia microti, Ehrlichia and the many viruses found in chronic sufferers.
In a small, independent study, Microbojen� increased the t-cells up to 200 points and restored normal weight and sense of well-being with one bottle in people suffering with AIDS. This demonstrated the effectiveness of frequency- matched remedies at restoring the control mechanisms and crystalline matrix that is necessary for the body to heal itself.
All of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas are frequency-matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems. I will say it again and again, because it is important you understand, REMEDIES from JN do not treat disease (period). They provide the body with the corrective information needed in various conditions of illness.
They are not an ``antibiotic'', although they provide the body with the specific informational frequencies needed to overcome and control microbes. They are, therefore, designed to work with God's design of the human body, instead of ``doing for the body what the body should do for itself'' as in the case of most prescription drugs. When the body's crystalline matrix is functioning at maximum integrity, no disease can persist, and no microbe can create disease.
Remember this if you don't remember anything else I say, ``Simply having a certain microbe in your body does not mean you will generate a disease from that microbe''. As a matter of fact, we know that in polio, in a hundred susceptible people who actually have the polio virus in their body, only one person out of that one hundred will actually come down with polio, the disease.
This fact demonstrates how it is not the microbe that determines whether you manifest a disease, nor is it purely a component of having a strong immune system, or being loaded up with antioxidants. Disease is determined by the integrity of the body's crystalline matrix..''
We see this fact also manifested in every epidemic. There are always people that walk unscathed through the deadliest epidemic. This is not due to the fact that they were on immune system boosting supplements. It is due to the integrity of their overall crystalline matrix, from good genetics and their unique lifestyle choices that created their unique energetic matrix that repelled and prevented the disease.
Bio-Resonance Scanning and these frequency-matched formulas are the ultimate form of healing, operating from a purely ``structural and functional perspective'' in that they target the restoration of the body's crystalline matrix, as dictated by dietary supplement government mandates.--
In the next post I will list the other remedies I'm taking.
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Dr. J has also given me a homeopathic remedy called Neuro-Antitox II Cardio. He added to this Organoplex, Viscum/Cratageus and Hypophysis/Stannum.
This is a homeopathic herbal formula that has been mixed with other remedies. Here's some information about the basic remedy, Neuro-Antitox II Cardio that I copied and pasted from Jernigan Nutraceuticals website:
* Neuro-Antitox II
-- Compass Plant (Silphium)
Personal Note: I am totally fascinated by this plant. It amazes me how God Almighty made this one plant that can help the body heal itself in multiple ways.
Historical Usage: Silphium laciniatum has been used in all forms of asthma and bronchitis, as well as for bladder complaints including frequent urination and urinary tract infection. It has been used historically to treat cancer of the throat and mouth as well as being beneficial in the wasting away and the ``empty sensation'' of cancer cachexia.
It has been shown to be useful in cases of tuberculosis. It is mucolytic showing a strong ability to breakup mucus accumulations anywhere in the body. Silphium is especially beneficial in addressing pressure and acrid mucus in the supra-orbital, posterior sinuses. (See References below)
Recent Usage: (Silphium laciniatum) has been shown through clinical research to be possibly the greatest anti-neurotoxin substance found to date. Silphium is thought to breakdown and/or bind microbial neurotoxins. It has demonstrated stellar results in the elimination of the primary toxins released by Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative microbe in Lyme disease, Multiple Sclerosis, ALS and over 350 neurotoxic illnesses.
In regard to Lyme microbes, Silphium also seems to assist in providing the body's crystalline matrix with the information needed to resolve the pleomorphic phase, L-form of the Lyme spirochete. Clinical research reveals that Silphium may also bind heavy metals, and breakdown isopropyl alcohol, and benzene accumulations, adding to its phenomenal arsenal of beneficial effects. Silphium is recommended to limit herxheimer reactions during any type of antibiotic, antimicrobial treatments.
Bio-Resonance Scanning has revealed it to be highly beneficial in addressing the accumulation of ammonia in the brain tissue as seen in cirrhosis of the liver, hepatitis, and the local accumulations in the brain as seen in neurological Lyme disease. Silphium is also beneficial at clearing nitric oxide (NO), the metabolite of ammonia in the musculoskeletal system.
Nitric oxide accumulates in the joints and muscles in reaction to Borrelia burgdorferi and other Borrelia strain spirochetes, which release ammonia which is almost instantly converted into nitric oxide. Nitric oxide causes a hyper-inflammatory response in the tissues leading to fibrin accumulation, joint and muscle pain and stiffness, as well as potentially increasing the production of the thick fibrin-coating of tumors.
One of the unique properties of Silphium is its molecular structure causes it to grow facing north and south, hence its name ``Compass Plant.'' This polarity orientation is maintained within its molecular structure and may positively influence the human body's crystalline matrix ability to adapt to the ever-changing internal and external environment. In other words, it makes your body more adaptable.
Silphium is the newest and possibly best nutraceutical for helping restore normal protein metabolism processing of homocystiene. Silphium has also been shown to normalize blood sugar levels, even in Insulin-dependent individuals, yet it seems to normalize blood sugar without making it too low.
Product Information: Jernigan Nutraceuticals has pioneered all of the present day knowledge of Silphium and is the only company producing this formula in the world. Our liquid Silphium is processed within one hour of harvesting to maximize its polar properties and energetic aspects.
References: 1. Foster S, Duke J, Medicinal Plants and Herbs, Eastern/Central, Peterson Field Guides, New York 2000.2. Murphy R, Lotus Matera Medica, 1st ed. Lotus Star Academy 1995.--
Keep in mind, I was BRS tested, and in addition to this remedy two other herbs were added (listed above) according to what my body tested for. If you ordered Neuro-Antitox II Cardio from his website (and you can), you most likely would not get the other remedies added to it since there's no way of knowing if you needed them without BRS testing.
As I said before, I'm reluctant to post what I'm taking only because I don't want to give anyone the impression that they can go purchase these products and get the same results as I'm getting. That's why it's important to be tested prior to getting treatment.
You can read more about Neuro-Antitox II Cardio on his website. It's very interesting and I encourage you to read about it here:
I'm going to add three more then call it a night. These are supplements that I was given at the clinic that are made by a company called, Nutri-West, which make pharmaceutical grade supplements that you can only get through a health provider.
Although, if you do a google search, you'll find there are websites where you can purchase these products directly without going through a healthcare provider (which I don't recommend).
I'm taking a supplement called Total Arginine. This link has more information about this product:
To be quite honest with you, I don't know much about this supplement or why I'm on it. I did ask the doctor but I can't find my notes on this one and don't remember what it's for.
Maybe massman or some of you who know about this supplement could tell me what purpose it serves and why a person would take this.
That's it for tonight. I'll be back tomorrow to list the rest of the homeopathic remedies and enzymes I'm taking as well.
Any questions, feel free to ask here or pm me.
Gary
[ 02-01-2010, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: gwb ]
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
Hi Gary
I was reading about the center for a few weeks and wondering whether to go.
I would like to ask you a question - do you have a problem with mercury?
I had to stop using my FAR sauna last year because I felt it was strirring up mercury too much, even at a medium setting and building up the time to 10 mins.
What if the detox pathways are not so good?
I had a massage a few years ago and it was too much - I was extremely ill for a week so I am guessing that you do not have such a problem with your detox system.
I am so pleased that you are better and may God continue to heal you!
I am healing but very slowly and one of the things that I have learned and which is what the clinic says, I think, is that everything has its time and place and it was when I got off my supplements and depended on a good diet which is now gluten and dairy free, that the healing started in me. I use self kinesiology for testing.
What surprises me is the changes I am going through psychologically in the healing.
Maybe I need to wait before trying the clinic - the journey alone, from Europe will knock me out let alone the therapies.
I was encouraged to hear your story.
mati stage 3 Lyme
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by f13girl: Thank you for the inspirational story- and PLEASE keep us posted on your progress. I would love to believe there is an alternate way to healing then wanting to die /terrifying herxing!
Gary-it sounds like your symptoms were muscleskeletal?
Has anyone with intense neuro symptoms recovered from HANSA?
I am so skeptical after all the $$$ I've spent on this illness. Hansa markets so much it makes me weary. I'm glad to hear this promising story!
Gary in all what was the total cost for the 2 weeks?
f13girl, sorry to delay answering your question. I overlooked it until going back this morning to review this thread.
You asked if my symptoms were mostly muscleskeletal? No, what finally made me realize I had to find another treatment protocol is when I began having neurological problems about six months ago. After I had steroid shots in my back all hell broke loose. I lost over 70 pounds and the toxins in my body went haywire inside of me.
The neurological symptoms were something I hadn't had much of a problem with until after the steroid shots. One day, out of the blue, I had a horrible anxiety attack. I thought I was going to go crazy. I called my LLMD, who was treating me at the time, and told him what was happening to me. I tracked down his home phone number which he was none too happy about.
Thankfully, he called my pharmacy and prescribed Xanax for me. That's what kept me sane until I started treatments at the Hansa Center. I had terrible head noises (still do have some) and my eyes became blurry and painful. I had terrible brain fog, confusion, was often disoriented and not knowing why I was standing where I was in the house. I was constantly losing things and not remember where I put them.
I even drove to my wife's office one day and ended up in a part of town that I had no idea how I got there. My LLMD at the time explained to me that I had a blackout. Can't remember how he described it but said it often happens to people with lyme disease. That experience scared the living daylights out of me. How could I drive somewhere (opposite of where my wife's office was) and finally realize I wasn't in the right part of town? At least I didn't drive out of Oklahoma.
I really thought I was going to have a mental breakdown. In December, during Christmas I felt so bad that I was sure this was my last Christmas with my family. It was the worse time in my life since I had this disease, physically, emotionally and mentally. I was as low as I could go and had constant fear that I was going to end up in the ER or hospital here in OK where no doctor has a clue about lyme disease. So, to answer your question, no, my symptoms were not primarily muscleskeletal. It was neurological and the whole 9 yards.
About herxing, I used to be on abx, so I know how horrible herxing can be. Dr. J doesn't agree that in order to get well you need to herx like hell. My herxes have been very mild and tolerable on this protocol. And yet, I continue to feel good and have gotten better everyday since I've left the clinic.
The problem with herxes is, we can't always tell if we are really herxing or if were suffering from side effects of antibiotics. My body reacted poorly to just about every abx I was on during the five years I was treated with them. Although, the abdominal pain that I've had for some time now has gone down about 70% from where it was, I believe it was the abx that messed up my stomach something horrible. I'm hoping my gut can fully recover from it eventually. The doctor feels optimistic that in time it will. But 70% improvement in one month ain't too shabby!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally against abx, my wife recovered from lyme disease using abx. However, unlike me, she was treated within a year of being bitten my a tick. I had this disease for over ten years before being diagnosed. She relapsed once and had to be treated again. Thankfully, she's doing good now and seems to be fully recovered.
My wife has said that if she ever (God forbid) relapsed again she'd go on the same protocol I'm on. It's much safer than taking abx (without the hard herxes and side effects) and it's definitely proven to be an effective protocol for me and many others who have been on it.
In my observation, from being here on lymenet, and on other lyme forums, people who have chronic late stage lyme disease don't seem to do very well on abx. I've seen people on abx for ten to fifteen years and they're still suffering with this disease. That doesn't seem right to me.
I was on abx for five years and getting sicker and sicker every day. After being on Dr. J's protocol I started improving immediately and I'm still making progress. I think it's pretty amazing for someone as sick as I was to show improvement in such short amount of time. I was used to waking up in the morning asking myself if this was all a horrible nightmare I was having, now I wake up in the mornings and wonder if this is too good to last. I gotta get rid of my pessimism!
My mind hasn't caught up with my body. I feel like I'm going to wake up one morning and find out that feeling good was all a dream. I have to keep telling myself, "it's not a dream, it's for real". Since my third day of treatment I started feeling better and have continued to get better and better since then.
Your comment, "Hansa markets so much it makes me weary". I'm not aware that they market a lot, maybe they do, I just haven't been aware of it. I know they recently sent out a mass email to many people letting them know of a special price ($5000) they're giving for a short period of time. It has something to do with a special incentive from the government. (For more details about this you can read one of the posts above where someone posted the email the Hansa Center sent out.)
Seriously, until a little over a month ago, I never heard of the Hansa Center. The primary alternative treatments I've known about are the three herbal protocols, AI, and Klinghardt. Hansa Center has rarely been mentioned during the five years I've been a member here.
I don't know what kind of marketing, or how much marketing, the Hansa Center does, but it doesn't bother me anymore than the marketing Klinghardt, Cowden, Zhang, or any of the other people do. The more we are made aware of the options available to us the better our chances are of getting well. At least that's how I look at it.
I don't want to come across as a promoter for the Hansa Center, however, I can say without any reservation, I wouldn't hesitate to refer anyone there for treatment. I feel confident that people who get treatment at the Hansa Center will have a good experience and be treated respectfully and kindly by everyone in the office. I also believe they'll have a good chance of getting better. But, like Dr. J says, not 100% of the people who go to the Hansa Center gets better for some reason or another, but many of them do. I'm proof of that.
There's no protocol that promises to make everyone better, and Dr J is no different, but his approach to treatment is vastly different than what you'll receive from a traditional LLMD. Dr J treats the whole body, mind and spirit, not just the disease.
His testing methods are done with BRS, and he does use some muscle testing as well. He's very knowledgeable about this disease. He even had lyme disease himself at one time. He's invented several of his own homeopathic and herbal remedies and is extremely knowledgeable in herbs and homeopathy.
Here's a small snippet I copied and pasted from his bio:
"Dr J is "nationally recognized as a leader in Biological Medicine and the treatment of chronic illness. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree in Nutrition with honors, he received his doctorate at Cleveland Chiropractic College-KC.
Post Graduate studies have taken him far and wide,studying natural and anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the world-renowned Paracelsus Klinic of Switzerland, with later studies providing certification in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy.
Dr. J is also the developer of the diagnostic and treatment technique Bio-Resonance Scanning� and a whole new concept in medicine called Circuit Healing�.
Dr. J has personally developed over 30 novel natural medicines to date. As past president of the American Medical Academy of Thermodiagnostics, he is one of the most experienced doctors in the U.S.A. in one of the latest FDA approved adjunctive diagnostic tests, Computerized Regulation Thermodiagnostics."
Dr J is "nationally recognized as a leader in Biological Medicine and the treatment of chronic illness. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree in Nutrition with honors, he received his doctorate at Cleveland Chiropractic College-KC.
Post Graduate studies have taken him far and wide,studying natural and anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the world-renowned Paracelsus Klinic of Switzerland, with later studies providing certification in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy.
Dr. J is also the developer of the diagnostic and treatment technique Bio-Resonance Scanning� and a whole new concept in medicine called Circuit Healing�.
Dr. J has personally developed over 30 novel natural medicines to date. As past president of the American Medical Academy of Thermodiagnostics, he is one of the most experienced doctors in the U.S.A. in one of the latest FDA approved adjunctive diagnostic tests, Computerized Regulation Thermodiagnostics."
Everyone responds to different protocols in different ways because our bodies are all different. There's no one size fits all when it comes to treating this dreadful disease. My wife got well on abx and could handle them fairly well. But she got horribly sick for days with herxes and had to go to the ER a couple of times due to the herxes she was having. I still wonder if it was side effects from the abx or was it really from herxing? Like I said, i don't think we can always know for sure if it's herxing or side effects we're experiencing.
You asked how much it cost me for treatment at the center. For two weeks of treatments, which included the ST-8 Lymph Drainage machine, biomat table massages, Lux Therapy, Ionic foot baths, infrared sauna, doctor's treatment, homeopathic and herbal remedies (and supplements) came to slightly under $7000.00. They're having a special right now, as I mentioned earlier, for the same treatments I had for two weeks for $5000.00. Yes, it's expensive, but if you get well--it's priceless!
If you have any more questions feel free to post them or pm me if you'd like.
Gary
[ 11-14-2010, 09:56 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by mati: Hi Gary
I was reading about the center for a few weeks and wondering whether to go.
I would like to ask you a question - do you have a problem with mercury?
I had to stop using my FAR sauna last year because I felt it was strirring up mercury too much, even at a medium setting and building up the time to 10 mins.
What if the detox pathways are not so good?
I had a massage a few years ago and it was too much - I was extremely ill for a week so I am guessing that you do not have such a problem with your detox system.
I am so pleased that you are better and may God continue to heal you!
I am healing but very slowly and one of the things that I have learned and which is what the clinic says, I think, is that everything has its time and place and it was when I got off my supplements and depended on a good diet which is now gluten and dairy free, that the healing started in me. I use self kinesiology for testing.
What surprises me is the changes I am going through psychologically in the healing.
Maybe I need to wait before trying the clinic - the journey alone, from Europe will knock me out let alone the therapies.
I was encouraged to hear your story.
mati stage 3 Lyme
Hi mati,
I'm sure I have a problem with mercury, I believe most people do, especially if they have mercury in their teeth. I do have amalgams in my teeth and I'm sure that I would test positive if I had a blood test for it.
How much of a problem with mercury do I have? I don't know, but I think it's not just one toxin like mercury that causes us to have problems, it's a number of toxins that our bodies are poisoned with. Antibiotics are probably the biggest toxins that many of us have problems with, among other things.
I know, from the BRS testing I had, that my body is filled with toxins, but we didn't really focus on which toxins were predominant in my body. Dr. J focused on releasing these toxins and doing it slowly and gently.
When I went to the clinic, Dr. J immediately put me on Neuro-Antitox II which is a detoxification formula. He treated me for toxins while I was at the center and I continue to take homeopathic/herbal remedies for detoxification at home.
While I was at the clinic, I was give ST-8 Lymph Drainage therapy along with lymph drainage massages (while laying on a biomat table) . My first massage was a little uncomfortable due to the toxins moving around, but each day the massages were more relaxing and I felt I received enormous benefits from the massages. Even while getting a massage, BRS testing was done on me to see which essential oils my body wanted/needed at the time of the massage. It's amazing how essential oils can bring healing to the body.
I did the infrared sauna four times while I was at the clinic and I handled it fine. However, the first time I did it I was pretty exhausted afterwards, but that's to be expected from what I understand. The next three times I did the infrared sauna I did fine with it. I came out feeling relaxed and it felt good knowing that I was sweating out toxins and killing a bunch of spirochetes.
Prior to entering the infrared sauna they gave me some electrolyte water and a couple of ounces of a mineral drink (juice). I was in the sauna 30 minutes at a time. The temperature was about 125 degrees. Like I said, the first time I was exhausted afterwards, but the next three times I felt relaxed and had no difficulties with it.
Dr J's approach on detox is to go slow and gentle in the beginning of his treatment. I never detoxed prior to being treated at the clinic because my LLMD never told me how to do it.
I knew from reading the lyme forums that detox is important, but it's so confusing trying to figure out the right way to do it since everyone seems to have so many different opinions or approaches to it.
I'm glad that Dr. J is treating me for detox and doing it in a way that is not too harsh on my system. Oh, I forgot to mention, another detox method they used at the clinic is the ionic foot bath cleanse. It gets a lot of toxins out of your body and it's amazing to see it when it comes out. Pretty gross actually.
I hope I've addressed all of your questions, if not feel free to write back. I agree with you about getting off gluten and going dairy free. I was tested by my primary doctor for celiac disease and the test came back negative. But I decided to stop eating wheat and gluten products to see if it helped, and sure enough my abdominal pain got somewhat better by cutting gluten out of my diet.
I still had some abdominal pain but Dr. J is treating it with some homeopathic remedies and he did some treatments in his office on me (don't remember what it's called) and now my abdominal pain is about 75% better than it was. I'm taking digestive enzymes and some probiotics as well.
I would suggest you call the clinic and tell them your story and see if they feel it would be wise for you to make a trip from Europe at this time to be treated at the Hansa Center. I believe they will be honest with you and tell you whether or not now would be a good time for you to come for treatment or not.
The thing that amazed me is how quickly I was able to start feeling better once I started the treatment. Dr. J is not satisfied until he knows you are making progress during your first few days there. They really believe that, while you won't recover overnight, you should begin feeling better by your second day of treatment.
I thought that was somewhat unreasonable and gimmicky to think that they could make me feel better after just two days of treatment, but I really did start feeling better the second day I was there. Today I'm feeling so much better, and I'm still amazed that each day I continue to make more progress.
I hope and pray that you get some direction about what you should do. My suggestion is to do as much research on this as you can, ask as many questions as you can, call the clinic and ask them everything, and anything, you want to know prior to making your decision. They will not pressure you at all. They only want people to come to the clinic who sincerely want to be there.
Remember, Dr. J doesn't believe that he's just treating a disease, he believes he's treating the whole person-body, mind and spirit. I believe this is one of the main reasons his clinic has so much success in treating people with chronic diseases, not just lyme disease.
If you are able to get his newest book, "Beating Lyme Disease" (second edition), I would suggest you read it before making your decision about going there for treatment. Reading his book could help you decide whether or not this is the right protocol for you, and if it is, it will prepare you as to what to expect when you get there.
Here's a link to his website where you can purchase the book:
If you have any more questions feel free to post them or pm me if you prefer.
Gary
[ 02-03-2010, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: gwb ]
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
Hello Gary
Many thanks for that useful information. I have been praying for guidance as to the way forward and your words have done that for me so thankyou!!
I see that the main issue is the mercury and not just the usual problem from amalgams. I was poisoned at 6 months from teething powders, enough to be in hospital for 6 weeks with what they called 'Pink's Disease' rather than say mercury poisoning and again later on playing weith the stuff.. What I have just realised is that there may have been damage done then which prevents me from doing any serious detoxing and the most important thing thing for me in seeking help is to find someone who knows about this condition and which tests need to be done to find out if it is possible to detox doing more aggressive treatments than what I am already doing with diet.
I have e-mailed the clinic to see what they say.
I am so happy for you Gary. Being at the end myself about six months ago I understand your joy.
God bless
mati
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Core Level RNA contains some vitamins, minerals and amino acids at moderate doses. I feel high dosing these is not great. When they are in the right form they get in easier + can be effective.
RNA + DNA are basic "blueprints" for the body + its parts. With the adrenals as an example, organ concentrates contain all the adrenal parts, while RNA + DNA adrenal factors contain the basic "blueprint" or frame.
There are a few theories on how they work. One is that they stimulate the organ. The other, that I favor, is that because the RNA / DNA factors are from another animal they are foreign + your autoimmune attack chases these instead of your own organs.
This gives your organs the chance to begin healing themselves (as they should) instead of constantly being attacked by your autoimmune response.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
massman,
what are these Core Level RNA products?
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
One of the products recommended to Gary at the clinic he went to.
Posted by nspiker (Member # 22824) on :
Hi Gary,
Thank you for posting about your experience at the Hansa Center. I am fairly new to this diagnosis, and have not followed your story, but what an amazing improvement in a short period of time.
We have bantered back and forth about the merits of electrodermal testing (bio-resonance scanning), and it seems that you have benefited greatly from these techniques. I have been consulting with a practitioner to determine what adjunct supplements and antibiotics to use.
I wanted to let you know that I ordered two of the products you mentioned on line today through Jernigan Neutraceuticals. They are the Neuro-Antitox II Musculo-Skeletal, and the Microbojen. The more I read about the products, the more convinced I am that it was a good supplement to my current protocol. I was just looking for an additional detox regime, since I am on Malrone and cannot use milk thistle, ALA or CoQ 10 for detoxing. Antitox is the prefect solution. The Microbojen will help with viruses and bacteria, as a support to the antibiotics.
I look forward to your follow-up, and know that you are an inspiration with your story. Thank you so much for sharing all that you learned....
nancy
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
I meant to post the last of the homeopathic/herbal remedies and supplements that I'm taking yesterday. Sorry for the delay in getting this posted.
I've posted most everything that I'm taking on several posts above. This post will cover the rest of the remedies and supplements I've been taking since I've returned home from the clinic.
Another homeopathic/herbal remedy I'm taking is, Gather Vitality, which is made up of a variety of chinese herbs. If you want to see a list of the ingredients of this product you can find them here:
Included in this homeopathic remedy is, Viscum/Crataegus and Testes/Apis. If you want to know more about these ingredients I suggest you do a google search to learn more about them.
This homeopathic remedy is obviously not something you could purchase on a website on your own (at least I don't think you can), it has to be done through a practitioner like Dr. J. These combination of herbs were put together based on BSR testing that Dr. J did on me. This is how the doctor determines what my body needs and what herbal remedies he will treat me with. This specific remedy, it is not necessarily a "lyme treatment", but remember, when the doctor does BRS testing on you he treats the whole body, not just the disease. He's treating me for a variety of things, not just lyme disease.
Obviously, I'm taking remedies that treat lyme disease, co-infections, toxin removal, and whatever else the BRS testing reveals that I need treatment for. In other words, Dr. J is treating my body for whatever the testing reveals I need treatment for. Hope that makes sense.
I also take some regular supplements such as vitamin C, B-Complex, CoQ10, fish oil, a whole foods multi-vitamin, probiotics and digestive enzymes.
I think that about covers it but I may have I missed one or two supplements. Oh yeah, he also has me on Nattokinase and some other proteolytic enzymes as well. If I think of anything else I will let you know.
In the next day or so, I plan to share with you how I've been feeling during my second week on the protocol. I've had a few ups and downs this week, but overall I'm still doing good and am pleased with the progress that's being made.
One of my good friends, and coworker, told me yesterday that he can't get over how much I've changed since I've gotten back home from the treatment. He's watched me suffer with this disease for almost 12 years. It just thrills him to see me laugh and acting like my old self again and going out to lunch together like we used to do prior to my downward spiral six months ago.
Anyway, more to come in the next day or so...
Gary
Posted by Jill E. (Member # 9121) on :
Gary,
When I first was diagnosed with Lyme in 2004, I was seeing a naturopath who was a protege of Dr. J's, plus I was and still am seeing a holistically oriented LLMD.
I had the Bioresonance muscle testing done on me by the naturopath - I've had all kinds of muscle testing done on me throughout the years and this seemed the most comprehensive.
At the time, I muscle tested for Lyme and all coinfections, including weird strains of Bart and Babs. My IGeneX tests at the time showed CDC-positive Lyme, Ehrlichia and Anaplasma. The IGeneX tests later turned positive for Bart and Babs Duncani. So the bioresonance muscle testing was accurate even before the antibody testing.
I had the pleasure of speaking by phone several years ago with Dr. J., he was very giving of his time to me, and again, I was just a patient of someone who had trained with him and used many of his products.
I am following your thread with great interest, and of course, prayers!!!!
Jill
Posted by yankeesfan (Member # 23090) on :
GWB
are you going to get Neural Therapy?
are you doing any acupuncture?
Yankeesfan
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
I wrote to the centre and got a reply back but it did not answer my question so I wrote again.
What I need to know is, if someone thinks that they are not yet up to detoxing how can they know when they are? I feel that maybe they have not had someone who cannot detox at the level they are doing it. If the adrenals and thyroid are shot then no detoxing can be done till they heal somewhat.
Would be interested in your view thanks
mati
Posted by f13girl (Member # 23844) on :
Thanks Gary for your long reply! My neuro symptoms are MS like now(vision loss, coordination, jerking, head pressure, eyes hurt, shaky) etc. etc. so I'm a pretty extreme case (especially now since my crash from my first abx.....non functiona now can't drive /can't sleep). Hansa seems like another option. I'll add it to my list. Believe it or not.. too sick to go right now... need to recover hopefully back to baseline before the pharmecuticals. Thank you and keep us posted on your progess.
Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
quote:Originally posted by mati: I wrote to the centre and got a reply back but it did not answer my question so I wrote again.
What I need to know is, if someone thinks that they are not yet up to detoxing how can they know when they are? I feel that maybe they have not had someone who cannot detox at the level they are doing it. If the adrenals and thyroid are shot then no detoxing can be done till they heal somewhat.
Would be interested in your view thanks
mati
Mati,
I've been to the clinic twice in 2009. I met some people there being treated and heard stories passed along about other patients.
One story was about a lady they treated for four weeks. The old Hansa location was basement level, so patients had to traverse stairs down to the clinic. The lady was in very poor shape -- I can't recall what exactly her ailments were -- and they had to help her each day for the first week up and down the stairs.
My understanding is their BRS testing with homeopathic remedies was all they used on her the first week. By the start of the second week, she was able to move up and down the stairs under her own power.
I think she started detoxing during the second week, but perhaps not until the third week. By the time she left the clinic after four weeks, she was moving very easily under her own power.
The Hansa Center will provide references if you ask them. I don't think they will tell you what each person ailed from (patient confidentiality), but maybe if you tell them what is ailing you they will match you up with some references that can share similar stories.
Derek
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
Thanks Derek
That is going to be hyper expensive though for those who cannot get insurance cover especially if they find that they still canot detox. The adrenals cannot heal that quickly. I guess that I am still too sick to think of it.
mati
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
quote:Originally posted by massman: Core Level RNA contains some vitamins, minerals and amino acids at moderate doses. I feel high dosing these is not great. When they are in the right form they get in easier + can be effective.
RNA + DNA are basic "blueprints" for the body + its parts. With the adrenals as an example, organ concentrates contain all the adrenal parts, while RNA + DNA adrenal factors contain the basic "blueprint" or frame.
There are a few theories on how they work. One is that they stimulate the organ. The other, that I favor, is that because the RNA / DNA factors are from another animal they are foreign + your autoimmune attack chases these instead of your own organs.
This gives your organs the chance to begin healing themselves (as they should) instead of constantly being attacked by your autoimmune response.
massman, I'm not sure how it all works/the theories, etc (although you did a good job of explaining that) but this I do know:
Dr. J believes to get better and stay better (whether it's Lyme and Co. or something else) the body's integrity to heal itself and then fight disease is the key.
THAT gets me thinking, I wonder if THAT is the "missing link" in people recovering from Lyme and Co. and the reason why so many people with Lyme never do get better after ten, twenty and even thirty years. So busy continuing to bombard the body with "stuff" to kill the bugs that the body's integrity is always being compromised? Hmmm????
You all have a good day and weekend, Rhonda
PS: Sorry I haven't posted much lately. I have been, and still am, busy catching up on my TO DO list. I have more to share with you (plus still have that part 2 "BRS" coming up. I'll plan on doing that in the near future).
PSS: Gary is still doing good. We have our little grandson for the weekend!!!! and will be leaving and going out and about for the day. YAHOO! It's been so long since we've been able to do this because Gary was so sick. Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
mati So sorry you were poisoned with mercury and the effects that has had on your body and life. I'm praying that God give you wisdom in what is the best route for you to take.
I know this is going to sound crazy and one month ago I would have thought it was "bolognie" but now I'm a believer. I learned this from one of the doctors at the Hansa Center.
Anyway, there is "something" you can do to help stimulate the adrenals naturally.
Maybe there is something on YouTube to show you, but I'll do my best to describe it.
"Massage" your belly about 1 inch above your belly button and about 4 inches apart.
You can use one hand. So if you're right handed--separate your thumb and fingers like you're going to pick up something. Place your thumb to the right of the belly button (one inch up from belly button) and your four fingers to the left of the belly button so that your thumb and fingers are about 4 inches apart.
Massage (almost like you're tickling yourself) with your thumb on your right side and mostly the underside of the middle finger on the left side. Do this for about 30 seconds daily.
You can also do this using both hands. Put your fingers, palm side down, in the correct position (1 inch above belly button, 2 inches on either side of the belly button) and mostly using the underside of the middle fingers massage the area).
You don't have to push real hard. Don't push in a way that it hurts. Use a circular motion.
First of all, is that clear as mud?
Second, OK, now you all think I'm crazy. Oh, well.
Do I need to add a disclaimer? Do not take this as medical advice, heee heee heee, this is just one more thing I've learned along this journey ...
[ 02-06-2010, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: daisyrlb ]
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
Hey daisy
thankls for that - I will try it. I believe in this sort of thing. It reminds me now of a tip someone gave me for tapping the breasttbone to awaken the endo system so I will do both!
I appreciate your prayers as I seek what to do next. I got my hair results and they show an *extremely* high level of lead and arsenic and I have no idea why.
mati
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
"Dr. J believes to get better and stay better (whether it's Lyme and Co. or something else) the body's integrity to heal itself and then fight disease is the key"
I agree completely Uh-oh. 2 DCs agree. Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
mati "high levels of lead and arsenic." Again, so sorry. Whoa, that's crazy. I know this is off the point/this thread but now that the results are in what happens next? Your doc have a plan? Perhaps others wonder too.
massman "2 DCs agree" you are such an agreeable-kind-of-a-guy, I don't know how anyone could think otherwise. Posted by farraday (Member # 21494) on :
Gary & Rhonda: Thank you so much for sharing your amazing journey with us. I am a big believer that prayer is a powerful healer and I send mine to both of you. You are doing us a great favor by sharing your diaries...it is most helpful!
My husband and I have been going through my illness since 1988. We spent 10 days at a holistic clinic in Mexico a number of years ago and were exposed to many new techniques for healing.
I think the energy movement sort of thing done by a native American Indian doctor relates to some of what you are experiencing. My doctors even sang to me! It was a very happy and healing place. I saw a variety of MD's, DC's, physical therapistss, naturopaths.
We returned feeling better. I was physically better and my husband was relieved that I was. If we could afford it we would go back.
I am curious to learn about your treatments, Gary, and will research them in depth (or ask my son and husband to do it since my mind is a bit confused).
I know full well how it is to feel desperate and at your wits end for a solution. I pray that this magical place will get you started on your road to complete recovery! God bless both of you!
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
quote:"high levels of lead and arsenic." Again, so sorry. Whoa, that's crazy. I know this is off the point/this thread but now that the results are in what happens next? Your doc have a plan? Perhaps others wonder too.
daisy, I have been reading it could be due to pesticide poisoning - it happened about 15 years ago. I have to wait till all of my results are in then I am consulting a naturopath. The doc who ordered the tests said he would suggest chelators but at theis point I don't think I can do chelation therapy.
mati
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
mati, it's important that you follow your instincts regarding chelation therapy. My doctor at the Hansa Center says this is something that needs to be done correctly and at the right time. Doing chelation is serious business and if not done correctly can make you very sick and make things worse than they are now.
If you don't think you can do chelation therapy at this point, you are probably right. I hope you get a good ND or holistic doctor who can help you get well and who knows what they're doing. It's important to go to someone who has knowledge and experience in this area and hopefully they use the applied kinesiology approach or BRS testing as I believe this is the best approach to treatment for lyme disease.
I can't believe I even said that because six months ago I thought this was all a bunch of hocus pocus, but I'm a believer now, especially seeing how it's helped me. I pray things work out for you and that you are soon on the path to recovery.
Gary
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
Thanks Gary
The naturopath will be online consultation, and he was a doctor first. The problem is that they all say they are experienced in chelation, however, I doubt if he knows about Lyme as he is in Australia and I don't think they have Lyme there. Someone recommended him, he is supposed to be really good and he does the methylation protocol. Maybe I need to find someone else.
Yes I am a believer now in kinesiology testing.
I was thinking that A1 drops are the way to go - I wonder but many thanks for your prayers... how are you doing?
mati
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by nspiker: Hi Gary,
Thank you for posting about your experience at the Hansa Center. I am fairly new to this diagnosis, and have not followed your story, but what an amazing improvement in a short period of time.
We have bantered back and forth about the merits of electrodermal testing (bio-resonance scanning), and it seems that you have benefited greatly from these techniques. I have been consulting with a practitioner to determine what adjunct supplements and antibiotics to use.
I wanted to let you know that I ordered two of the products you mentioned on line today through Jernigan Neutraceuticals. They are the Neuro-Antitox II Musculo-Skeletal, and the Microbojen. The more I read about the products, the more convinced I am that it was a good supplement to my current protocol. I was just looking for an additional detox regime, since I am on Malrone and cannot use milk thistle, ALA or CoQ 10 for detoxing. Antitox is the prefect solution. The Microbojen will help with viruses and bacteria, as a support to the antibiotics.
I look forward to your follow-up, and know that you are an inspiration with your story. Thank you so much for sharing all that you learned....
nancy
Nancy, yes, I'm still amazed at the progress I've made in such a short amount of time. After being on abx for five years and making no progress, I knew it was time to do sometime different.
Thank God I found out about the Hansa Center. I was just getting ready to order herbs for the Condensed Cowden protocol until I found out about this. So glad someone told me about it. It was a difficult decision for me to make to go this route because I wasn't a believer in applied kinesiology or the BRS that they use at the Hansa Center.
It just seemed too hocus pocus for me and I really didn't think stuff like this worked. But, as they say, "the proof is in the pudding", and the pudding has been good. I'm still doing well even two weeks after treatment.
I've hit a couple of road bumps in the beginning of this week which I plan to write about when I have more time, but I'm still doing good and continue to make progress on the homeopathic and herbal remedies along with the supplements I've been taking as well.
I'm glad to hear that you've ordered the Neuro-Antitox II Musculo-Skeletal, and the Microbojen. I'm on both of them except that I take the Neuro-Antitox ll Cardio instead of the Musculo-Skeletal. Plus there's a couple other herbs mixed into it which I can't remember right now but it's on one of my other posts where I talk about the various remedies I'm taking.
I hope and pray that the remedies you've ordered will benefit you as much as they have me. I don't take any abx, so it will be interesting to see how you do while taking both abx and the homeopathic remedies. Keep us posted!
Gary
Posted by kam (Member # 3410) on :
Gary,
Received the email of the $5,000 plan from the center.
If I were to over come the obstacle of getting there and the obstacle of coming up with the $5,000....
...how much a month would the supplements and meds run?? I know this is relative to each person.
But, just curious.
I have been on what abx the insurance will provide since 2003 and am still not able to work or do household chores ...but am slowly improving
Posted by nspiker (Member # 22824) on :
For anyone that is interested in ordering Jernigan Nutraceutical products, there is a 20% discount, if ordered in the next few days.
Use the code VALENTINE.
Gary, are you taking anything for adrenal fatigue? If so, can you tell me what you use.
I think I will call and ask for the $5,000 promo.
Appreciate you sharing so much with us... nancy
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by kam: Gary,
Received the email of the $5,000 plan from the center.
If I were to over come the obstacle of getting there and the obstacle of coming up with the $5,000....
...how much a month would the supplements and meds run?? I know this is relative to each person.
But, just curious.
I have been on what abx the insurance will provide since 2003 and am still not able to work or do household chores ...but am slowly improving
Hi Kam,
I've been looking for my invoice for the homeopathic/herbal remedies and supplements and finally found it. It looks like for what I'm taking at this time it's costing me about $175.00 a month for everything. It could be less or more for someone else, just depends on what you'll need to take.
The doctor will decide in two months which remedies I will continue or discontinue with and possibly add some other remedies, or he may not add any. It's possible he may even take me off of some of them. I won't know until a couple of months after I've been on the protocol as it all depends on what kind of progress I make during that time.
You've been on abx for almost seven years and still you aren't well yet? I was on them for five years and didn't get any better during the whole time I was on them, in fact, I got worse. Since you've made some improvement with the abx, that should work to your advantage since you are already ahead of where I was when I started.
The amazing thing about Dr. J's protocol is that they believe you should start feeling better within two or three days after starting treatments. It doesn't seem realistic to think you could start showing improvement that quickly, but after my third day at the center I was surprised at how much better I was feeling in such a short amount of time.
I copied and pasted this from their website:
What is your success rate?
Our doctors usually expect that patients begin to see improvement in some areas within the first two days of treatment, and usually in many areas within two weeks. They also coach patients on lifestyle, mindset, and spiritual components of health and healing, and provide strategies for continuing to maintain whole-person health after your treatment program is over.
I can do things that I haven't been able to do for a couple of years. I have energy that I didn't have before and emotionally and mentally I am doing so much better than I was prior to treatments. I overdo it at times and need to remind myself to slow down not overdo it.
I used to take naps every afternoon and was even taking naps in the mornings two months prior to my treatments. Since I've been back home I've only taken three naps. I know I need to slow down because if I overdo it then I'm going to pay the price and it will slow down my healing process.
Now that I have energy to do things that I haven't been able to do for so long, it's hard force myself to rest even though I know I need to do it. Sometimes I'm just so amazed at how good I'm feeling it makes me cry just to think how far I've come in just one month since I began treatments at the clinic.
I've had a couple of days last week when I didn't feel very good, but that's to be expected. It kind of worried me last week when I wasn't feeling well because I started thinking maybe I was going to go back to how I was feeling prior to treatment. The doctor explained to me that I will have days like that on occasion.
I need to remind myself that I've had this disease for fifteen years and I can't expect that I will be completely well in just one or two months. It could take several months before I get completely better, maybe even longer. But like I said on an earlier post, if how I'm feeling now is as good as it gets, I would be a happy camper to feel this good all the time.
However, I know that as I continue with the treatments I will get better as time goes on. Right now, I would say I'm feeling about 75% better overall, and that's just one month after I began treatment!
I plan to post more details later this week about the specific areas I have made the most progress in and the areas where I feel I have made the least progress in. But overall, I have made tremendous progress in almost every area, and I'm very happy with the outcome so far.
Anyway, I know this is more information than you asked for, but I wanted to share this because I know others have been following this thread and are curious as to how I've been doing. One person, on another forum, asked me if I was glad I went on this protocol. I told her I'm absolutely glad I went on this protocol, I only wish I had done it sooner.
It's wonderful to wake up in the morning feeling good again and having energy to do things that I haven't been able to do for a long time. But most of all, it's a great feeling to have hope again. As I've shared on a previous post, last Christmas I felt like it would probably be my last Christmas with my family.
I was losing hope and I was feeling like death was knocking on my door. Of course, no one knows how long they're going to live, but now, because of the way I'm feeling, I have hope that I didn't have before. I believe that I will be around to spend another Christmas with my family, and Lord willing, maybe I'll be around to spend many more Christmases with them.
I hope and pray that soon you will be on the path to healing. It's expensive, I know. We had to put some of what we owed on our credit card which I really hated to do. But like I've said before, if this protocol helps you get better, like it's doing for me--it's priceless.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Gary
[ 02-10-2010, 12:40 AM: Message edited by: gwb ]
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by nspiker: For anyone that is interested in ordering Jernigan Nutraceutical products, there is a 20% discount, if ordered in the next few days.
Use the code VALENTINE.
Gary, are you taking anything for adrenal fatigue? If so, can you tell me what you use.
I think I will call and ask for the $5,000 promo.
Appreciate you sharing so much with us... nancy
Nancy, yes, I'm using Nutri-West DSF Formula, Nutri-West Total Arginine and one of the homeopathic remedies Dr J has me on (I forget which one) for adrenal support.
I listed all of the homeopathic/herbal and supplements in several posts above with links for more information. Everything I'm taking is listed in the above posts. Check it out if you'd like.
Glad to know that you are thinking about go to the Hansa Center and taking advantage of the special price they're offering. Let us know if you decide to go and the dates you'll be going. We will be praying for you!
Gary
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
quote:Originally posted by mati:
quote:"high levels of lead and arsenic." Again, so sorry. Whoa, that's crazy. I know this is off the point/this thread but now that the results are in what happens next? Your doc have a plan? Perhaps others wonder too.
daisy, I have been reading it could be due to pesticide poisoning - it happened about 15 years ago. I have to wait till all of my results are in then I am consulting a naturopath. The doc who ordered the tests said he would suggest chelators but at theis point I don't think I can do chelation therapy.
mati
mati, Thanks for responding. (I'm getting caught up on this thread, sorry I didn't respond sooner.)
Praying you get the help you need to get that stuff out of your body. May God give you wisdom as you make your decisions.
That pesticide stuff is bad! I don't know why we, people, are not warned sufficiently. Seriously, I had no idea. Commercials are so appealing, those ugly bugs. One is compelled to call the company to come out ASAP, but no mention of the poison to human beings part!
We had a name brand company come out and spray for termites, etc. and a few days later I noticed some weird stuff going on with my body (including I began smelling like--what I can only describe as "mothball smell". SCARY!) I called the company and FINALLY someone called me back--sure enough they used a chemical that IS also used in moth balls! CRAZY. We cancelled our contract and are looking for a more natural way to deal with bugs.
Anyway, hopefully, there is good info on the internet, too, to help you. Don't discount your "gut feeling" your "intuition", at least I notice for me--is usually right on.
And is this where I say, "Don't take this as medical advice? but I did stay at a Holiday Inn before just like Lymetoo."
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
quote:Originally posted by kam:
I have been on what abx the insurance will provide since 2003 and am still not able to work or do household chores ...but am slowly improving
kam you've been sick such a long time. I'm glad you're seeing improvement, even if it is slowly.
Since being at the Hansa Center, seeing how they treat patients (Gary), the atmosphere of the place, I realize the importance of those positive vibes (emotion, attitude) they really do make a difference.
I wouldn't be surprised if your HOPE-filled attitude is one reason you are improving (not to say that we're "on top" 24/7, we do have "our days" even people without Lyme have days when they're "off". Really? Let's try and wrap our mind around that one .
You are like a breath of fresh HOPE-filled air to the Lymenet "family"!
May you see faster improvement than you've ever thought possible! Prayer helps, too.
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Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
I posted some information (several posts) on another thread tonight but decided it would be more appropriate to put these posts on this thread since it fit's the Hansa Center thread better.
Keebler made a comment tonight about homeopathic remedies and I asked her to give her feedback on my posts after she reads over the information I provided her with. I will break this up on several posts because they're kind of long.
quote: Originally posted by Keebler:
"Homeopathy is more for symptom relief, it will not actually treat spirochetes directly. If LEDUM is taken right after a tick bite (like when still out in the woods) it can be very helpful but, mostly, homeopathy is for symptom-relief and not for directly treating infection." ---------------- Keebler, take a look at some of these homeopathic remedies then come back and comment. I value your input and would love to hear what you have to say about these homeopathic remedies.
This information comes from the Jernigan Nutraceuticals website. Link below.
--Borrelogen� is the primary and flagship Nutraceutical for restoring the proper crystalline matrix and energetic structure and function of the body in people suffering from chronic Lyme disease.
Even with 5000 or more remedies on hand at the clinic, I have seen more people benefited from this one remedy along with a well-rounded treatment program, than just about any other. I have seen people in wheelchairs able to walk, people who were bedridden able to function normally again, people with all manner of chronic nerve and muscle pains greatly relieved.
I get calls from doctors and happy people from all over the world thanking me for this one formula. No one remedy is going to be the silver bullet that ``cures'' all that ails you, but key remedies such as Borrelogen are a primary tool in the journey towards regaining the quality of life we all seek.
I would use this remedy in anything that even remotely looks like any of the 50 something chronic symptoms of Lyme disease with or without a positive lab test. I am often asked the question, whether or not Borrelogen� can be used with antibiotics... through all the years there has not been reports of interference.
This is how Borrelogen� works. It is a frequency matched botanical formula specifically designed to match and enhance the body's own energy. This is necessary to bring into balance the overgrowth of all of the pleomorphic stages of bacterial spirochete called Borrelia burgdorferi, as well as the often seen co-infections of Babesia microti, Human monocytic and granulocytic Ehrlichia, and the many and varied elusive Human Herpes Viruses, including the HHV-6.
Again, Borrelogen� is a combination of botanicals specifically selected for their unique combined molecular crystalline vibrational matrix, as opposed to their specific chemical constituents as in most medicines.
Toxicity testing has been done on Borrelogen� to verify its safety, and it was found to be so non-toxic as to not need further testing under the FDA guidelines since it is unlikely anyone would be drinking gallons of it.
Research: Results Reporting only the highest score of the three-day urine collection the majority of positive LUATs scored over 100 ng/ml. Out of the 68 LUATs performed 44 were reported as positive or highly positive, while there were 4 borderline, and 18 negative results.
The total percentage of positive scores was 73%. When the nutraceutical formula was used instead of prescription antibiotics the majority of positive LUATs were reported over 100 ng/ml, and as high as >400 ng/ml.
Although a score of >400 does not indicate that a patient is more highly infected than a score of >45, it does indicate a high rate of antigen release which can only benefit the patient. An interesting side-note, only seventeen of these 68 cases were also tested by Lyme Western Blot IgM/IgG prior to taking the Borrelogen. All seventeen subjects tested as positive or equivocal by Lyme Western Blot.
Borrelogen also has Virogen� in it. From Bio-Resonance Scanning, Virogen� is the best overall remedy to assist the body in dealing with viruses. For any viral condition that does not respond to Virogen�, our new formula Microbojen� is demonstrating its phenomenal benefits.
Dr. David created it about 13 years ago in order to help restore the damaged crystalline matrix of the Gulf War Veterans suffering from a genetically engineered or ``designer microbe'' called Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus.
Once again, none of the 5000 remedies we had on hand could effectively provide the body with the information and energy needed to deal with this microbe that many experts agree has genetic material spliced into it from some of the world's worst viruses, parasites, and bacteria. We have also successfully used Virogen� against Herpes and Hepatitis C.
Many Doctors use Borrelogen� as a catalyst just to make other remedies work better. This is a God given formula and it always amazes us, how it has the ability to help the body heal itself. Please remember this product is designed to help only with bacteria and viruses not toxins..you must have other products to restore, repair and build the body, this is a tough illness...it takes time to undo all the damage..this is why the 6 month Healing at Home Protocol..understand?--
I'm going to post a couple more so that the posts aren't too long and hard to read.
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Here's another homeopathic remedy (from the same website) that Dr. J developed. Link below.
Microbojen�
--Like all of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas, Microbojen� is frequency matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems, like all manner of microbes... viruses, bacteria, parasites, fungi, prions, and mycoplasma.
Microbojen� was initially developed in an effort to prepare for the worst-case scenario of biological warfare. Bio-Resonance Scanning was used to simulate the worst condition we could think of. We simulated that a condition of smallpox, anthrax, HIV, hepatitis B and C, West Nile Virus, Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), Cytomegalovirus (CMV), Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, and Bubonic plaque all at the same time. This is how Microbojen� was developed.
Microbojen�, has been highly effective at producing a supercharged crystalline matrix in the body that could stand against an attack from a wide range of the world's worst ``designer microbes.'' The end result of this research is Microbojen�.
It just so happen to test amazingly well against the ``just as evil'' microbe...Lyme spirochetes and their partners, Babesia microti, Ehrlichia and the many viruses found in chronic sufferers. In a small, independent study, Microbojen� increased the t-cells up to 200 points and restored normal weight and sense of well-being with one bottle in people suffering with AIDS.
This demonstrated the effectiveness of frequency- matched remedies at restoring the control mechanisms and crystalline matrix that is necessary for the body to heal itself. All of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas are frequency-matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems.
I will say it again and again, because it is important you understand, REMEDIES from JN do not treat disease (period). They provide the body with the corrective information needed in various conditions of illness. They are not an ``antibiotic'', although they provide the body with the specific informational frequencies needed to overcome and control microbes. They are, therefore, designed to work with God's design of the human body, instead of ``doing for the body what the body should do for itself'' as in the case of most prescription drugs.
When the body's crystalline matrix is functioning at maximum integrity, no disease can persist, and no microbe can create disease. Remember this if you don't remember anything else I say, ``Simply having a certain microbe in your body does not mean you will generate a disease from that microbe''. As a matter of fact, we know that in polio, in a hundred susceptible people who actually have the polio virus in their body, only one person out of that one hundred will actually come down with polio, the disease
This fact demonstrates how it is not the microbe that determines whether you manifest a disease, nor is it purely a component of having a strong immune system, or being loaded up with antioxidants. Disease is determined by the integrity of the body's crystalline matrix..''
We see this fact also manifested in every epidemic. There are always people that walk unscathed through the deadliest epidemic. This is not due to the fact that they were on immune system boosting supplements. It is due to the integrity of their overall crystalline matrix, from good genetics and their unique lifestyle choices that created their unique energetic matrix that repelled and prevented the disease.
Bio-Resonance Scanning and these frequency-matched formulas are the ultimate form of healing, operating from a purely ``structural and functional perspective'' in that they target the restoration of the body's crystalline matrix, as dictated by dietary supplement government mandates.
Personal Note (from Dr. J): The main plant in this formula is trigapogon. This plant grows to about 3 feet tall in May. My favorite story was one time we were on a bridge in the car looking down into the water, to see what we can see then all of a sudden my 4 year old son said,''Oh MY Gosh!'' His Dad thought he had seen a big gar in the water, and said, ``Son what do you see?'' He said, ``That is the biggest trigapogon I have ever seen!''
We all just grinned from our hearts that our son at the age of 4 was already picking out medicinal plants from the vast array of flowers in the fields of Kansas. Microbogen� has three other ingredients that we buy to make the formula, and these herbs are very expensive, so that is why this products cost more than others and the price fluctuates.
Traditioanl Chinese Medicinal Uses of the Herbs in Microbojen�
Traopogan planta lata (Goats Beard)
Medicinal uses:
Salsify is considered to be a useful remedy for the liver and gallbladder. It appears to have a detoxifying effect and may stimulate the appetite and digestion. Its high inulin content makes this herb a useful food for diabetics since inulin is a nutrient made of fructose rather than glucose units and therefore does not raise blood sugar levels.
The root has medicinal properties that has been used for its ability to contract tissue, purify and cleanse the blood, induce urination, induce the removal (coughing up) of mucous secretions from the lungs, increase weight, and give strength and tone to the stomach.
A syrup made from the root gives great relief in cases of obstinate coughs and bronchitis. A decoction of the root has been given in the treatment of heartburn, loss of appetite and disorders of the breast or liver.
Ban Lan Gen (Isatis Root)
They reduce fever and heat, cool the blood and throat, and reduce activity of virulent virus' and microbes. Isatis is one of the most effective Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) herbs used as an herbal antibiotic, antiseptic and anti-viral. TCM doctors use it whenever there are signs of fever or toxic heat from viral illness, blood poisoning, leukemia, hepatitis, meningitis, scarlet fever, laryngitis, tonsillitis, mumps, and other similar ailments.
It is an effective alternative to Western prescription antibiotics in some cases. Indirubin (found in Isatis) binds to and blocks enzymes that govern cell division, thus stopping the proliferation of blood cancer cells.
An article in Nature Cell Biology reported the results of a study examining the effects of indirubin extract on chronic myelocytic and chronic granulocytic leukemia. According to the report, 26 percent of the chronic myelocytic leukemia patients showed complete remission and 33 percent showed partial remission. Remissions lasted up to several years. The toxicity of the extract was relatively mild (Hoessel et al., 1999). � In laboratory studies of mice, isatis root polysaccharides increased the weight of the spleen and number of white blood cells and lymphocytes significantly, as well as neutralizing some of the immune suppression caused by hydrocortisone (Xu and Lu, 1991).
* Xuan Shen (Scrophularia)
Clear heat, cool blood, fever, constipation, relieve toxicity, swollen-red eyes, sore throat, dissipates phlegm fire nodules. Also uses for chronic skin diseases such as eczema, itching, and psoriasis, and hemorrhoids, swelling, and eruptions.
* Bai Hua Shi Shi Cao(Oldenlandia)
Clear toxic heat and fire - reduce abscess, toxic sores, ulcerations, swellings, snakebite (internal and external application)
* Mu Dan Pi (MountanPeony Root Cortex)
Clear heat, cool blood - nose bleed, bloody sputum, profuse menses -clears liver blood stasis - amenorrhea, abdominal mass, bruise's-clears rising liver fire - headache, eye pain, dysmenorrhoea-drains pus, reduces swelling - topically for non-draining sores.
Also Used For: is used for spasms, epilepsy, excitability, whooping cough, arthritis, bowel complaints, as an emetic, and for inducing menstruation. Mu Dan Pi/Peony root is used for arthritis, GI tract diseases, the heart and circulatory system, neuralgia, migraines, as a tonic, and for chronic fatigue syndrome.
* Huang Bai (Phellodendron)
Phellodendron bark is bitter in taste and cold in action. It reduces inflammation and dampness, especially from the lower parts of the body. It has broad-spectrum anti-bacterial and anti-viral activity.
The berberine-free fraction of phellodendron bark exhibited anti-ulcer activity, anti-inflammatory properties, reduction of gastric acid secretion, and anti-cholera toxin effects (Uchiyama et al., 1989).
* Chinese studies on phellodendron bark show a broad-spectrum antibiotic effect against organisms that cause diptheria, dysentery, typhoid fever, staph infections, pneumonia, conjunctivitis, trachoma and meningitis. It is often used in injectable form (reported in Huang, 1999, reported in Yeung, 1983).
* Studies have shown action against various forms of candida, as well as viruses (Park et al., 1999).
* In tests examining eight different herbs, phellodendron bark proved to be the most potent suppressor of immune inflammation in animal graft-versus-host reactions (Mori et al., 1994). In a later study, the same researcher discovered that unlike cortisone-like drugs, phellodendron bark did not suppress antibody production (Mori et al., 1995). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15369698?dopt=Abstract
* Ma Bo (Lasiosphaera)
Clears toxic lung fire, painful swollen throat, loss of voice, cough.
* Fu Ling ( Poria)
Poria mushroom is commonly used in Traditional Chinese Medicine because it is a gentle and safe aid for removing stagnant fluids (dampness) from the digestive system. In our TCM clinical practice, perhaps as many as 40% of our patients have impaired or sluggish digestion, and many of them cannot tolerate strong herbs at first.
Poria is an excellent choice in these cases, as it safely improves digestion. It is also used for urinary difficulty and edema. It can be used freely. Recently, studies have shown it to have immune system benefits similar to those of other medicinal mushrooms, though perhaps milder.
�Japanese scientists reported that Poria mushroom stimulated various immune system chemicals (interleukins and tumor necrosis factor), while suppressing a growth factor (Yu et al., 1996).
* It has also been shown to slow tumor growth in mice (Kaminaga T, et. al, 1996), and to prevent pathological changes to the kidneys of mice with nephritis (Hattori et al., 1992).
* The saponins found in poria mushroom possess a calming effect on digestion that proved strong enough to prevent vomiting in frogs who were given an emetic agent (Tai T et al., 1995).
Also Used For:Traditionally, Fu Ling / Poria mushroom filaments have been used for amnesia, anxiety, restlessness, fatigue, tension, nervousness, dizziness, dysuria and urination problems, edema, insomnia, splenitis, stomach problems, diarrhea, tumors, and as an antitussive.
In herbal combinations, poria filaments have been used as a component of various herbal combinations for treating diarrhea, chronic glomerulonephritis, tinnitus, and for decreasing upper gastrointestinal tract bleeding.
* Gan Cao (glycerrhizae)
Traditionally, used for gastric and duodenal ulcers, sore throat, bronchitis, chronic gastritis, colic, primary adrenocortical insufficiency, dry cough, arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus, and for bacterial and viral infections. It is also used for liver disorders, hypokalemia, hypertonia, malaria, tuberculosis, abscesses, food poisoning, diabetes insipidus, and contact dermatitis.
Licorice has antispasmodic, anti-inflammatory, expectorant, laxative, and soothing properties. The constituents, glycyrrhizin and glycyrrhetinic acid, inhibit 11-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase . This inhibition blocks metabolism of prostaglandins E and F2 alpha and may be responsible for peptic ulcer healing observed with these products.--
Gotta cook some dinner. Will return later to post a couple more of his homeopathic remedies.
Gary
** edited to remove doctor's name **
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Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Thought I should include a bio about this doctor (he's not an MD by the way) who developed these homeopathic remedies.
From his website:
Dr. J, is a published author and is nationally recognized as a leader in Biological Medicine and the treatment of chronic illness. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree in Nutrition with honors, he received his doctorate at Cleveland Chiropractic College-KC.
Post Graduate studies have taken him far and wide, studying natural and anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the world-renowned Paracelsus Klinic of Switzerland, with later studies providing certification in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy. Dr. Jernigan is also the developer of the diagnostic and treatment technique Bio-Resonance Scanning� and a whole new concept in medicine called Circuit Healing�.
Dr. J has personally developed over 30 novel natural medicines to date. As past president of the American Medical Academy of Thermodiagnostics, he is one of the most experienced doctors in the U.S.A. in one of the latest FDA approved adjunctive diagnostic tests, Computerized Regulation Thermodiagnostics.
Dr. J is presently writing more books and developing a Bio-Resonance Scanning� training program for doctors.
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Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Here's another on of Dr. J's homeopathic remedies with the link below.
Silphitrin�
--Personal Note: I am totally fascinated by this plant. It amazes me how God Almighty made this plant to perform so many uses to help the body do it's job. It is just incredible how well it works and I am amazed how God worked in Dr. D. Jernigan to figure out all the medicinal uses of this plant.
Historical Usage: Silphium laciniatum has been used in all forms of asthma and bronchitis, as well as for bladder complaints including frequent urination and urinary tract infection. It has been used historically to treat cancer of the throat and mouth as well as being beneficial in the wasting away and the ``empty sensation'' of cancer cachexia.
It has been shown to be useful in cases of tuberculosis. It is mucolytic showing a strong ability to breakup mucus accumulations anywhere in the body. Silphium is especially beneficial in addressing pressure and acrid mucus in the supra-orbital, posterior sinuses. (See References below) Recent Usage: Silphitrin� (Silphium laciniatum) has been shown through clinical research to be possibly the greatest anti-neurotoxin substance found to date. Silphitrin� is thought to breakdown and/or bind microbial neurotoxins. It has demonstrated stellar results in the elimination of the primary toxins released by Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative microbe in Lyme disease, Multiple Sclerosis, ALS and over 350 neurotoxic illnesses.
In regard to Lyme microbes, Silphitrin� also seems to assist in providing the body's crystalline matrix with the information needed to resolve the pleomorphic phase, L-form of the Lyme spirochete. Clinical research reveals that Silphitrin� may also bind heavy metals, and breakdown isopropyl alcohol, and benzene accumulations, adding to its phenomenal arsenal of beneficial effects. Silphitrin� is recommended to limit herxheimer reactions during any type of antibiotic, antimicrobial treatments.
Bio-Resonance Scanning has revealed it to be highly beneficial in addressing the accumulation of ammonia in the brain tissue as seen in cirrhosis of the liver, hepatitis, and the local accumulations in the brain as seen in neurological Lyme disease.
Silphitrin� is also beneficial at clearing nitric oxide (NO), the metabolite of ammonia in the musculoskeletal system. Nitric oxide accumulates in the joints and muscles in reaction to Borrelia burgdorferi and other Borrelia strain spirochetes, which release ammonia which is almost instantly converted into nitric oxide. Nitric oxide causes a hyper-inflammatory response in the tissues leading to fibrin accumulation, joint and muscle pain and stiffness, as well as potentially increasing the production of the thick fibrin-coating of tumors.
One of the unique properties of Silphium� is its molecular structure causes it to grow facing north and south, hence its name ``Compass Plant.'' This polarity orientation is maintained within its molecular structure and may positively influence the human body's crystalline matrix ability to adapt to the ever-changing internal and external environment. In other words, it makes your body more adaptable.
Silphitrin� is the newest and possibly best nutraceutical for helping restore normal protein metabolism processing of homocystiene. Silphitrin� has also been shown to normalize blood sugar levels, even in Insulin-dependent individuals, yet it seems to normalize blood sugar without making it too low.
Product Information: Jernigan Nutraceuticals has pioneered all of the present day knowledge of Silphitrin� and is the only company producing this formula in the world. Our liquid silphium is processed within one hour of harvesting to maximize its polar properties and energetic aspects.--
References: 1. Foster S, Duke J, Medicinal Plants and Herbs, Eastern/Central, Peterson Field Guides, New York 2000.2. Murphy R, Lotus Matera Medica, 1st ed. Lotus Star Academy 1995.
Another homeopathic remedy by Dr. J which focuses on toxin removal if I understand it correctly. Link below.
Neuro-Antitox II
Compass Plant (Silphium)
--Personal Note: I am totally fascinated by this plant. It amazes me how God Almighty made this one plant that can help the body heal itself in multiple ways.
Historical Usage: Silphium laciniatum has been used in all forms of asthma and bronchitis, as well as for bladder complaints including frequent urination and urinary tract infection. It has been used historically to treat cancer of the throat and mouth as well as being beneficial in the wasting away and the ``empty sensation'' of cancer cachexia.
It has been shown to be useful in cases of tuberculosis. It is mucolytic showing a strong ability to breakup mucus accumulations anywhere in the body. Silphium is especially beneficial in addressing pressure and acrid mucus in the supra-orbital, posterior sinuses. (See References below)
Recent Usage: (Silphium laciniatum) has been shown through clinical research to be possibly the greatest anti-neurotoxin substance found to date. Silphium is thought to breakdown and/or bind microbial neurotoxins. It has demonstrated stellar results in the elimination of the primary toxins released by Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative microbe in Lyme disease, Multiple Sclerosis, ALS and over 350 neurotoxic illnesses.
In regard to Lyme microbes, Silphium also seems to assist in providing the body's crystalline matrix with the information needed to resolve the pleomorphic phase, L-form of the Lyme spirochete. Clinical research reveals that Silphium may also bind heavy metals, and breakdown isopropyl alcohol, and benzene accumulations, adding to its phenomenal arsenal of beneficial effects. Silphium is recommended to limit herxheimer reactions during any type of antibiotic, antimicrobial treatments.
Bio-Resonance Scanning has revealed it to be highly beneficial in addressing the accumulation of ammonia in the brain tissue as seen in cirrhosis of the liver, hepatitis, and the local accumulations in the brain as seen in neurological Lyme disease.
Silphium is also beneficial at clearing nitric oxide (NO), the metabolite of ammonia in the musculoskeletal system. Nitric oxide accumulates in the joints and muscles in reaction to Borrelia burgdorferi and other Borrelia strain spirochetes, which release ammonia which is almost instantly converted into nitric oxide.
Nitric oxide causes a hyper-inflammatory response in the tissues leading to fibrin accumulation, joint and muscle pain and stiffness, as well as potentially increasing the production of the thick fibrin-coating of tumors.
One of the unique properties of Silphium is its molecular structure causes it to grow facing north and south, hence its name ``Compass Plant.'' This polarity orientation is maintained within its molecular structure and may positively influence the human body's crystalline matrix ability to adapt to the ever-changing internal and external environment. In other words, it makes your body more adaptable.
Silphium is the newest and possibly best nutraceutical for helping restore normal protein metabolism processing of homocystiene. Silphium has also been shown to normalize blood sugar levels, even in Insulin-dependent individuals, yet it seems to normalize blood sugar without making it too low.
Product Information: Jernigan Nutraceuticals has pioneered all of the present day knowledge of Silphium and is the only company producing this formula in the world. Our liquid Silphium is processed within one hour of harvesting to maximize its polar properties and energetic aspects.
References: 1. Foster S, Duke J, Medicinal Plants and Herbs, Eastern/Central, Peterson Field Guides, New York 2000.2. Murphy R, Lotus Matera Medica, 1st ed. Lotus Star Academy 1995.
The name is derived from the Latin salvere ("to save"), referring to the long-believed healing properties of salvia. The Latin was corrupted to 'sauja', the French 'sauge', and the old English 'sawge', and eventually became the modern day 'sage'. Gaius Plinius Secundus , better known as Pliny the Elder, was an ancient author, naturalist or natural philosopher and naval and military commander of some importance who wrote Natural History ....
Recent Usage: Salvia Azurea is unique in that it apparently is able to cross the blood brain barrier, or at least positively influence viral and bacterial infections of the brain. It has been used experimentally, in cases of Typanosoma gambiense induced seizures, stupor, headaches, cerebral energy metabolism disturbances.
It has been shown clinically to be of primary importance in cases of West Nile Virus, EBV, and many Human Herpes-strains. Bio-Resonance Scanning� has revealed it to be highly beneficial in addressing the accumulation of ammonia in the brain tissue as seen in Cirrhosis, hepatitis, and the local accumulations in the brain in neurological Lyme disease. It is a powerful globally-acting anti-neurotoxin.
Salvia Azurea seems to be an overall body tonic, supporting and enhancing the normal functioning of virtually every organ system in the body. Bio-Resonance Scanning� has determined it to be vitally important in any cell-replication disturbance, which may be its most important contribution to natural health.
In that it seems to clear ammonia accumulations in the brain, it is also beneficial as well at clearing nitric oxide (NO), the metabolite of ammonia in the musculoskeletal system. Nitric oxide accumulates in the joints and muscles in reaction to Borrelia burgdorferi and other Borrelia strain spirochetes, which release ammonia which is almost instantly converted into nitric oxide.
Nitric oxide causes a hyper-inflammatory response in the tissues leading to fibrin accumulation, joint and muscle pain and stiffness, as well as potentially increasing the production of the thick fibrin-coating of tumors.
* Ammonia
It is possible that at least one of the potentially many types of neurotoxins produced by Borrelia burg. is ammonia. I postulate that the various and many neurological symptoms seen in LD are the result of small amounts of ammonia affecting localized areas of the brain, as opposed to the brain swelling due to liver problems, which affects the astrocytes of the entire brain.
The way I see it is that Bb release NH3, which is converted to glutamine, by way of the glutamine synthetase pathways, leading to localized swelling of astrocytes. Depending upon the severity of infection and tissue environmental issues, including pH, temperature, oxygen levels, emotional state... the amount of ammonia could cause variable and cyclical worsening of symptoms.
The Bb in joints and musculoskeletal tissues may be creating symptoms due to the conversion of NH3 to nitric oxide (NO), which is well documented as causing multiple pathological processes, including sepsis, hyperactive inflammatory processes, and joint pain. Direct resonance testing has revealed that the liver and heart are often testing positive to accumulations of NH3, which is not being converted into urea or nitric oxide.
Once the ammonia levels are cleared and the Bb microbes are reduced, supplemental L-arginine can be taken in the morning to ``wake up'' or energize the brain. (L-arginine should not be taken in the presence of ammonia. Research reveals that NH3 + arginine and manganese increases nitric oxide (NO) up to 53% in astrocytes, leading to increased brain swelling). Armed with this knowledge, health care professionals would be wise to instigate a protein poor diet for Lyme patients, during treatment to minimize aggravations from arginine.
** The ``Direct Resonance Testing,'' molecular vibration phenomenon is not theory. Complex molecules may contain thousands or even millions of atoms. How they bind together creates an electromagnetic "signature," which is extremely precise and specific to the type of molecule. It is this molecular resonance that enables a doctor to perform a simple, quick test to determine the presence of ammonia in the brain or any other tissue. The same can be done as a quick screen for Bb, using a fixed Bb specimen.
** Using "Direct Resonance Testing" This is a simple test that can help screen Lyme patients for the presence of ammonia in various regions of the brain. I have found virtually every Lyme patient tests positive to having ammonia in specific locations of the brain. (Jernigan Nutraceuticals sells vials of Ammonia for $10.00)
To perform a direct resonance test the doctor will need a vial of pure ammonia. A muscle strength challenge should be performed to identify a strong muscle, preferably using the deltoid muscle with the patient's thumb pointing towards the feet. The muscle should "lock" immediately when challenged, without being spongy.
Once a good strong muscle has been identified, hold the vial of ammonia over various areas of the brain, testing to see if the previously strong muscle goes weak when the ammonia is held over any area. Due to the temporary neuromuscular interference caused by the harmonic resonance of ammonia in the vial with the ammonia present in the brain, the strong muscle will go weak.
The best effective treatment can be identified by adding the corrective substance, be it the liquid botanical supplement, Blue Sage, the Neuro-Antitox II Formulas (Jernigan Nutraceuticals) or prescription Cholestyramine. To determine the best corrective substance, hold the vial of ammonia and a corrective substance over the same spot where the strong muscle went weak. If you have found the proper corrective substance the former weak muscle test now will go strong.
** In summary, I know of no other testing method that provides such immediate confirmation of localized NH3 as the Direct Resonance Test. Localized ammonia is present in virtually every chronic LD patient, either from the spirochete or other indirect mechanism. We have found ammonia wherever Lyme spirochetes reside in the body, but primarily over the liver, heart, teeth, and cranium. Hope this information helps you, Sincerely, Dr. Sara J
* Neurophotonic foundations Neurophotonic Therapy is trademarked, and its scientific were originally researched, developed, and reported by Dr. David A. Jernigan, D.C. This is copywritten material and should be referenced accordingly.Localized Ammonia Production by Lyme Spirochetes By David A. Jernigan, D.C.
* Neuro-Antitox Basic�
Neuro-Antitox Basic� - good for global detoxification of the Lyme toxins, heavy metals, and for those who are unsure which specific Neuro-Antitox formula to take, this is our most popular formula. This formula does not contain any sarcobioenergetic potencies. Ingredients - Silphium and Salvia Azurea.
** Neuro-Antitox Cardio�
Neuro-Antitox Cardio� - for those suffering primarily from heart problems from Lyme toxins and heavy metal. Indication: angina, palpitations, hypertension, arrhythmia, valve problems, shoulder and arm pain, shortness of breath, chronic fatigue. Ingredients - Silphium and Salvia Azurea as well as the sarcobioenergetic potencies in P6, 12, and 30 of cardiac plexus, cardia, myocardium, endocardium, mitral valve, tricuspid valve, and aorta.
** Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS�
Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS� - for those suffering primarily from problems in the brain, meninges, and peripheral nerves from Lyme toxins and heavy metals. Indications include, but are not limited to - cognitive disturbances, dizziness, and vertigo, disturbances in vision, neuritis, neuralgia, numbness, palsies, and headaches.
* Ingredients - Silphium and Salvia Azurea as well as the sarcobioenergetic potencies in P6, 12, and 30 of cerebrospinal fluid, dura mater, cerebellum, optic nerve, substantia nigra, cerebral cortex, cranial nerve VIII (vestibulocochlear n.), myelencephalon, temporal lobe, occipital lobe, quadrigeminal plate, lumbar plexus, brachial plexus, periodontium.
** Neuro-Antitox Musculo-Skeletal�
Neuro-Antitox Musculo-Skeletal� - for those suffering primarily from muscle and joint problems from Lyme toxins and heavy metals. Indications: Muscle and joint pain and weakness, sensations in the extremities of burning, tingling, radiating pain, swelling, arthritic and rheumatic conditions.
* Ingredients - Silphium and Salvia Azurea, as well as the sarcobioenergetic potencies in P-6, 12, and 30 of connective tissue/fascia, cartilage, intervertibral joints (cervical, thoracic, and lumbar), humoral joint, elbow joint, intercarpal joints, knee joint, interphalangeal joint, bamboo, rhus toxicodendron.
**Expectations of Improvement for all 4 formulas':
Although every person is unique, it is not uncommon to experience an improvement in symptoms within the first 48-72 hours of starting the Neuro-Antitox formula's whether they are liquid or in the pill form. One of the best tools for judging improvement is the FACT test (Functional Acuity Contrast Test, or otherwise known as the VCS or Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test.
This test takes only 5-minutes to perform and is often reimbursable by insurance companies. This test demonstrates the presence and interference of Neuro-toxins in the brain. Dramatic improvement has been documented using this test in as little as one week and on an occasion as much as a month to demonstrate improvement in re-testing.
* Toxicity: According to the criteria set forth by the FDA, all of the ingredients in the Neuro-Antitox Formulas� are considered so non-toxic that no LD50 is required, much in the same way as any plant/vegetable. Side-effects: No direct side-effects have been reported in the literature for any of these ingredients.
Each of these ingredients however is expected to mobilize various heavy metals from virtually any tissue in the body. There is the chance that these metals may become lodged in a more sensitive tissue than the tissue from which they came, causing new symptoms. This is true in any form of detoxification.
New symptoms or a worsening of existing symptoms should be followed up with your health care professional and is usually remedied by increasing toxin releasing therapies, like Infra-Red Saunas, Ion-Cleanse foot baths, ST-8s.
Your comment, "homeopathy is for symptom-relief and not for directly treating infection" got me to thinking. I wonder if maybe this is something we should be giving more thought to. Is it not possible that homeopathic remedies can be equally, if not more, effective than abx in some instances?
Dr. Jernigan, including some LLMD's, are coming to the realization that homeopathic remedies can be very effective for killing the lyme spirochetes and treating the infection.
I'm still learning about this and in no way do I consider myself an expert on this subject. But, I can say that after five years of getting sicker and sicker on abx, to the point that I pretty much felt I was dying, I'm finally getting better.
After two weeks of treatments at the Hansa Center in KS, and continuing on homeopathic remedies, I'm better than I've ever been since being diagnosed with this disease. Are these homeopathic remedies only giving me "symptom relief" and not directly treating my infections?
Again, I'm no expert on this, but from all I've been learning about homeopathic remedies, especially the ones that I'm being treated with, I do believe that my infections ARE being treated and that the spirochetes are being killed and that toxins are being released and removed from my body.
Keebler, I'm in no way challenging your comments, I have to much respect for you to do that, however, if you have a chance to read up on these remedies that I've posted, I would very much look forward to hearing back from you and getting your input and feedback on them. Your input is important to me (and others on the forum as well). I would be very curious to know what you think about these remedies after you read up on them.
By the way, the relief I've been getting from my symptoms has been amazing and I continue to get better everyday. No, I'm not 100% yet. I still have days when I'm not doing as good as I'd like to, but those days are far fewer than when I was being treated with abx.
I have very mild herxes on this protocol. I'm feeling rejuvenated, and for the first time in a long time I feel there's hope that I'm going to get better. I pretty much lost all hope that I'd ever get better back in November and December. I was sure last December was my last Christmas with my family. That's how bad I felt and how dark my world was at the time.
Of course, there's no guarantee I'll have another Christmas with my family this year, but at least I feel like I'm going to be around a bit longer, whereas before, I felt like death was knocking on my door.
I highly respect your opinions, and appreciate the wealth of knowledge you have on the subject of lyme disease. I look forward to hearing back from you after you've had a few days to review this information regarding the various homeopathic remedies that Dr. J has invented to treat, not only lyme disease, but many other chronic diseases as well.
By the way, he also has yeast remedies, one in particular called, Yeast Ease. My wife has been using and it's worked very effectively for her. For those of you who suffer with yeast you might want to check this out.
One last thing. Dr Jernigan is not a "LLMD", so his name and website are allowed to be posted if I understand the rules here correctly.
He does not exclusively treat lyme disease, he treats people with all types of chronic diseases, many who have been written off by their doctors.
We met a lady in his office who had kidney failure and her doctor sent her home to die. Dr. J is treating her and she's getting better. We also met a man, while we were in his office, who has cirrhosis of the liver. His doctor said there was nothing more he could do for him. He's being treated by Dr. Jernigan, and the patient told us he's getting better.
Dr, J never promises anyone he will get them well, but if a person has chronic disease, he will treat them vigorously and with great determination and expectations. It's amazing how many of his very sick patients get well, and of course, there are some who don't.
If this sounds like I'm coming across as a promoter for Dr Jernigan and his protocol, I apologize for this. It is not my intention or desire to come across as a promoter for Dr J. It's too soon for me to say if this treatment protocol is going to be effective for me long term. I've only been on it for less than two months now.
But one thing I can say with certainty, if Dr, Jernigan takes you on as his patient, he's not going to be satisfied until you begin to make progress. If you aren't feeling better by your second day of treatment, he's not happy with that. He's takes his work seriously and he's extremely committed and dedicated to the task of making his patients better. But, he's also honest and humble enough to say that not everyone will leave his clinic healed.
And for those who do make progress, like I have, he has no shame in giving credit to God for the good that comes from his treatments. Not everyone will like his approach possibly--but I certainly do!
One final comment, Dr. J has called me twice since I've been home to check up on me (charged me nothing), and his associate doctor called me once to see how I was doing as well. That's quite rare in this day and age for a doctor to call his patients to check up on them, even for an LLMD. I'm truly blessed to have found this caring, godly doctor.
Gary
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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Oh I believe homeopathic remedies can treat infection based on my violent reactions to Deseret Biologicals EBV and Lym formulas!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for the new updates, Gary. I think it's great that Doc Jernigan called you a couple of times to check on you. Pretty unusual.
I am totally confused, though, about Doc Jernigan's products described here.
Gary, you refer to them as homeopathics, but quoted descriptions of the products refer to them only as botanicals. The only vague reference insinuating that they might be homeopathic is that they are 'frequency matched' to the body's energy.
Essential oils have specific frequencies which can be measured, but essential oils are not 'homeopathic' in any sense. Something having a 'frequency' does not make it homeopathic.
Homeopathics are a specific type of medicine made in a precise manner. There are also 'homeopathic-like' medicines made by electronic 'imprinting' with specific frequencies.
Dr. Jernigan has post-graduate training in botanical medicine, but I see no mention of homeopathic education.
So, we may be talking apples and oranges here.
Gary, does Dr. J. refer to Borrelogen, Microbojen, Virogen, etc. as homeopathic medicines?
Maybe I missed something here in all the posts or on Dr. Jernigan's website.
In any case, I couldn't disagree with Keebler more. Ask any homeopath if hom. medicines are primarily for 'symptom relief' and see what you get.
By their very nature, homeopathics are curative. It is even stated in the basic tenant of homeopathy: "Like cures like".
Perhaps Keeb's statements are based purely on personal experience, and I can respect that. But the statements were made is if they are fact, and they are not fact at all. I mean no disrespect here, but it's important to be accurate when describing a treatment system to others who may not have knowledge of it.
The correct homeopathic remedy, in the right potency, at the proper time, in the minimal dose needed, for an appropriate length of time.... all these elements are required for the curative process. Anything less than that may yield temporary amelioration (symptom relief), but not a cure.
Hope that helps clarify things a bit.
Posted by f13girl (Member # 23844) on :
Gary-are you continuing the detox part of Dr. J's protocol at home. If so, what are you doing for detox?
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Gary -- I would tend to agree with truthfinder -- Borrelogen and Microbojen and some of the other Dr J formulas are herbal formulas and include antibiotic and antifungal etc herbs. I don't consider them homeopathic formulas.
Generally homeopathic formulas are given in much lower doses -- just a few drops -- and Dr J prescribes multiple droppers of his botanical formulas.
I know he does use some actual homeopathic formulas -- hubby had very negative reactions to a cannabis homeopathic formula for one.
Bea Seibert
Posted by Dawn in VA (Member # 9693) on :
Gary, I just wanted to say thank you for the many thorough postings you've put up and for the time you've contributed to doing so. Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Hi Gary- what are you doing for detox now that you are home? Do you think it was all teh detox stuff that made you feel better at the H center?
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Hey all:
Below is a post I started back in January topic "BRS testing" that Dr. J uses. And a few others posted too.
I am looking forward to sharing what I've seen and learned since then about the BRS testing. It really is amazing. It works!
Hopefully next week I'll be able to add that Post #2. I am really looking forward to it.
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
I recently posted this on "Anyone improved after 4+ years of antibiotics" and decided to post it on this thread too.
My husband, gwb (Gary), shared about me, "Sadly, she has started to relapse again, however, it's not as bad as before. She's now being treated by Dr. Jernigan in KS. That's the same doctor who's treating me."
The main symptoms recently--low energy/tired and neurological symptoms such as being scatterbrained--many things can cause that including stress (which I've been under, who isn't?). So I wouldn't necessarily say I'm relapsing and no I'm not in denial or into "positive confession".
I admit, my first response to those symptoms was "Oh, no, not again, yikes, fear" then (after a couple of days of "yikes mode" I remembered a line from Dr. J's book, "My desire is to see you liberated from the fear of Lyme Disease." I said to myself, "No way am I going to live in fear of Lyme Disease!" (BTW I found that tick on me in 2003, right before the bulls eye rash developed, and I had the pleasure of squishing it to death!)
Anyway, we both made appts and saw Dr. J last week. It was a one day, all day in his office trip, and well worth it. Glad we did not put it off.
I thank God for Dr. J and BRS testing! Dr. J used BRS testing on me and yes, I still test positive for Lyme, Bart, Ehrlichia and one other thing. Plus I have parasites, viruses just to name a few more of the things he found.
However, did you know that once you have a tick-borne disease, you will probably always test positive for it? That doesn't mean you'll have symptoms.
In Dr. J's book he explains that with any treatment, at best, 85% of the "bugs" will be killed, so there is always some left in the body. Just like with strep or other bacterial or other "stuff" they are not all killed even though the symptoms go away.
That is why Dr J, in addition to focusing on getting rid off the "bugs", focuses on building up the integrity of the body so that the body can keep the "bugs" and everything else in check, the way that God created the body to be able to do. The body is truly a "healing machine" ("healing machine", not sure but Dr. J may call it that in his book).
No need to go into my case history/file but focusing on what my body tested the needs to be--he started the frequency matched remedies the same day I was in his office.
The first day I was home I had energy and my mind was clear. The next two days my energy was good and my mind was clear as well, however I had a bit of a headache and nausea--very tolerable. After contacting Dr J's office about it, was told to keep an eye on it and see if the headache and nausea stop... Yes, on day three the headache and nausea were gone.
I continue to have energy, I mean lots of energy--Gary "forced" me to come to bed last night (one of the things I love about gwb is--he knows what's best for me) and my mind is clear (very clear) and I have no symptoms. Thank God, I am back to normal.
I believe the remedies are doing what they need to do for my body to work the way God made it to work and head off "whatever" is at the pass. It is very proactive, on the offense, instead of being on the defense.
Rhonda
PS: I continue daily with my isometric exercises.
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
I've been listening to the "Hansa Center's New Healing Radio Station-THE BRIDGE" online.
Dr. J and the other two doctors share, also patients share about their experiences from going to the Hansa Center.
Interview with Dr. David Jernigan About Lyme Disease
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Keebler, It's a different link. I just listened to it.
That interview with Dr. J is great, very informative for newbies and oldies alike (38 minutes long-very revealing and worth the time).
Think I'll start a new thread with it.
Thanks for sharing that link.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Update on gwb (Gary's) HYDROGEN PEROXIDE/EPSOM SALT BATH.
I was planning to put this info on a thread where gwb talked about this bath and now I can't find the thread. (If anyone knows where that other thread is, please let me know. Thanks.)
I decided to post it here as an update.
Following are DETAILS, also I comment on what Bea and keebler share on that other thread.
So far Gary's taken three baths.
Bea, good input you share, "please get out at the first sign if you start feeling worse."
keebler, yes, the "recipe" says WARM not hot water. Good to emphasize that.
I encourage you to do a google search, we did, and you'll see lots of info. We read as much info as possible before moving forward with the bath (online it reads that very few people have any difficulty with the bath and most do have good results). Gary always checks out everything anyway--it's just the way he us.
Plus Gary sees a nephrologist (kidney specialist) as last year he was diagnosed with kidney damage from dyes used in CTs, etc. and there is a caution on the Epsom Salt packaging if a person has kidney problems. On a side note, since Gary has been following Dr. J's protocol his kidney functions have become normal! Gary's nephrologist even cancelled his most recent appt with Gary after seeing his normal lab results.
Online there are various "recipes". We found everything at Wal-Mart. This "recipe" and misc info from Dr. J's book**
* 4-6 cups Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate).
* 32-64 fluid oz Hydrogen Peroxide (3%, as found in grocery store).
* 2-4 Tablespoons of Ginger (fresh grated preferably) wrapped in a thin piece of cloth or in a tea ball. An old piece of nylon hose also works well.) I cut up a pair of new nylons, after grating the ginger/measuring it out appropriately, stuffed the nylon and tied knots at the ends.
Instructions:
* Dry Skin Brush entire body for five minutes before bath, removes the layer of dead skin for better absorption (Gary and I have our own Dry Skin Brushes.) You start with the feet working upwards, hands move towards shoulders, torso upwards toward the heart, back upwards and over shoulders towards heart. Light pressure in areas where skin is thin, and harder pressure on places like soles of feet.
* Fill the bath tub with WARM water. Then add Epsom Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide and Ginger "ball". Swirl water around, then get in the tub for 20 minutes. I stayed in the bathroom with Gary to keep an eye on him and make sure he was doing ok (shhhh, really I just wanted to talk with him )
We switched up the "recipe" for Gary as follows: 2 cups Epsom Salt, 32 oz Hydrogen Peroxide, 2 T Ginger.
Shower off afterwards so skin doesn't get dried out.
Gary noticed immediately results each time. Pain reduced and he has more energy.
(Is this where I say, "Do not take this as medical advice but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once"
**From "Beating Lyme Disease: Living the Good Life In Spite of Lyme" by Dr. David A. Jernigan
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Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
One thing I forgot to mention about the Bath above. The effects are cumulative, more beneficial as you use them.
Posted by dmc (Member # 5102) on :
Daisyrib wrote "(shhhh, really I just wanted to talk with him )" yea right...you just want too see your husband naked Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
dmc, My hubby and I met when we were 19, married when we were 20. True love. Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Enjoyed my Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt bath. Great to get more oxygen into the cells--that's always healing!
The lymph glands in my neck were swollen, so in addition to soaking in the bath, I also put a rag around my throat and kept ringing it out and re-soaking the rag with water from the bath.
Twenty minutes later I was surprised that all of the swelling was gone from my neck.
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
Hi Daisy and Gary
Would you say this site crosses over with some of what you got at the clinic you went to?
springshowers, I read through the website of the link you attached focusing on treatments offered. For the most part the treatments they focus on for cancer patients, to me, appear to be different.
This is the link to the specific treatment page for the Hansa Center website for you to compare and see what you think.
Dr Z is my newest doctor and he and Dr J have a lot in common in their ideas and approaches.
Even though the site I sent you is talking alot about cancer they have a lyme protocol as well and use things such as what you and gary have been discussing.
So well.... if you get a chance to listen to the radio interviews and the site you sent me has the same interviews on them too on his radio shows
So we are kinda are connected and wanted others to know about this clinic as well here on this side of the country..
Thanks much Hope you and Gary are continuing to feel well and do well...
Blessings
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
springshowers Thanks for the link. I will definitely check it out. (I've been so swamped, I haven't been able to add much more to my overcrowded plate lately.)
I did listen to one interview where Dr. Z interviewed Dr. J (Keebler added that post--see above March 8). It was a very good interview.
When I consider the numbers of people suffering from Lyme Disease, the lack of Lyme-literate doctors and clinics treating Lyme patients, I rejoice to learn that more and more options are becoming available!
Reminds me of the gracious "Dedication" in Dr. J's book that reads:
"Dedicated to those doctors in the trenches who struggle to achieve lasting results in their Lyme patients; who fight a politically incorrect illness; who through sweat and tears fight stealth microbes; who struggle without any medical and insurance company agreement; who bravely reach beyond their conventional training for the betterment of their patients.
This book is also dedicatd to my patients, and the patients of other Lyme-literate doctors, who, in desperation at times, stick with us while we continue to learn how to deal with this most dastardly of illnesses."
Thanks again, I look forward to listening to the radio interviews.
Blessings to you as well. There is much to be hopeful about!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
This morning I was talking with Gary about how well I'm feeling since my visit to the Hansa Center earlier this month and taking the frequency matched remedies and supplements Dr. J recommended. (See my comments on this thread above "posted 07, March 2010 10:12 AM".)
I continue to have lots of energy physically, plus my mind is back. I really don't like being scatterbrained. I kind of, REALLY, like having my mind back!! Haven't felt THIS good in a while.
Anyway, today I checked Dr. J's Blog (he usually adds a new one on Tuesdays) and surprise, surprise! His Blog shares about how the body, mind and spirit are connected. Exactly what I was thinking about earlier today.
I found it very interesting and perhaps you will too. Here's the link
Interview with Dr. David Jernigan About Lyme Disease"
Posted BY Keebler
This is Dr Z talking with Dr J
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Hi springshowers:
Your comment, "I am very happy with his treatments and approach thus far.."
I am very excited for you!! Keep me/us posted on how it goes. You are in my prayers for total healing!!
About that interview, when I get a chance, I will check it out.
Have a great day!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
springshowers, I started listening to that link you shared above, and it does seem to be the same interview that Keebler posted with Dr. Z interviewing Dr. J.
Very informative. I hope many people listen to it, because it is well worth it!
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
Hey Daisy. Yeah I cut and pasted her comment and I think she got it off of my other thread LOL
So what goes around comes around sometimes.
Dr. Z is a lot like Dr K and Dr J and they have a certain philosophy.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
springshowers, LOL with you.
It is great to have Lyme Literate Doctors who are not only knowledgeable but who really care. Makes a huge difference!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Last December this was not even a possibility!!
Recently, Gary and I flew to Tampa, Florida to visit our son and his family.
Our son had an itinerary planned for the full week. And a full week it was--busy, out and about, never a dull moment!!!
There was the beach, Disney World, etc, etc, etc.
Disney World, the second day, we were there from early morning until after the fireworks show (ie: we closed the park! )
Good to be able to do these things again!!! Posted by ott70 (Member # 18237) on :
Awesome. Congratulations on being able to enjoy a busy and fun week! I'm sure Dr. J would love to hear about those results!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Gary continues to improve. He has mostly good days and an occasional not so good day. Gary and I, along with our family rejoice!
I remember saying, after seeing the way Gary has improved on Dr. J's protocol, IF I ever needed to be treated for Lyme Disease I'd never go the ABX route again as I was "sicker than a dog"; and even worse, I believe ABX has greatly compromised my immune system (and I have lab tests to prove it). Little did I know that I'd have to make that "IF I ever" decision anytime soon.
Thought you'd be interested in the latest about me.
Friday, April 30, I had my followup appointment with Dr. J (for previous info see above post 07 March, 2010 10:12 AM.)
During the followup, there was review, plus I shared with Dr. J (among other things) that within the last two weeks I had developed a rash in various areas on my body...there was clearing making the bulls-eye...blah, blah, blah.
So now, in addition to the previous frequency matched remedies he had me on for health issues unrelated to Lyme Disease, he's added Borrelogen (�) and Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS (�).
Wish I'd "listened" to my body more in the last few weeks. Hindsight is always 20/20. On April 15 I had a slight headache. Really didn't think much about it. A few days later I developed a stiff neck. Because of the way I was turning my head Gary asked if something was wrong. I told him my neck was a little sore and that I must have slept wrong. My lower back has been hurting, off and on, and I attributed that to working longer hours at a job where I mostly sit.
Bottom line, I'm in the early part of a relapse and am so blessed to have good health and am not being slowed down from my day-to-day activities (although I would probably be wise to eliminate some things from my TO DO list, and that has nothing to do with Lyme , it has more to do with only having 24 hours in a day and not 48). My thinking is clear and my energy is good!!
I thank God that I am not in "Lyme Disease Yikes Mode" and don't plan to go there anytime soon. Attitude makes a huge difference. Anyone who reads my posts knows that I believe that with all my heart.
I've made my choice to follow Dr. J's protocol, instead of ABX, and have total peace. I believe following Dr. J's protocol, I will not become "sicker than a dog" (like I was the last two times on ABX). Best of all, the integrity of my body will not be further compromised and/or destroyed but, instead, it will be built back up.
BTW, my "Success Story" is on Lymenet, posted last Fall, if you are interested in the details of my journey with LD, so far, it's on page 2 about 1/3 of the way down. It thrills me to share with you that I am STILL a "Success Story" and I look forward to adding a PS sometime in the near future to my post!! Lyme does not have to define who we are. I believe everyday that we get up, and by God's grace, make it the BEST day of the rest of our lives, that qualifies us a Lyme Survivor (not a Lyme Victim) and I would go so far as to say a LYFE Survivor!!!
One other thing regarding my decision not to take ABX, all I have to do is read the Lyme boards of all the people who have been taking ABX for 5 years (like Gary, not getting better and actually getting worse) or 10 years, or 20 years, or 30 years, and know THAT is not the route for me this THIRD time.
Gary and I appreciate your continued positive thoughts, happy vibes and prayers coming our way!!
I'll keep you updated, Rhonda
PS: In "Beating Lyme Disease" (second edition) subtitled, "Living The Good Life in Spite of Lyme" by Dr. David A. Jernigan, he shares his "Perfect-7 Treatment and Detox Protocol" (TM) and people are getting well--Thank God! Since I've gone to the Hansa Center I have the advantage of personalized treatment and my exact protocol is being tailored to my specific body, mind and spirit needs for optimum health (and I'm expecting nothing less). Posted by valeriedc (Member # 24950) on :
Thanks for sharing your amazing news!!!!
I'm also interested in your experience of being off ABX. For 26+ years, I avoided ABX excepted for 1 10 day course and stayed healthier than most folks, until my immune system couldn't handle the lyme/babs anymore (believe that there was so much change in my life which was stressful).
I'm coming up on one year of ABX and am contemplating, for the long term, how long to stay on ABX.
I'm appreciative of you and your husband's sharing of your experiences, that helps so much.
Many Blessings for continued healing.
Posted by Dekrator48 (Member # 18239) on :
daisy,
I am so sorry that you are having symptoms again.
I have no doubt that you will beat it and be symptom free again.
You are a blessing to so many here, including me.
You give so much to so many.
I will pray that you experience healing.
God's peace and blessings to you, Dekrator
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Valeriedc, thank you for your "blessings for continued healing". I'm praying God leads you as you make those important decisions regarding your protocol and journey to healing as well.
It is good to know reading this thread "helps so much". That is exactly what Gary and I pray happens.
God bless you.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Dekrator, what a blessing you are to me. I appreciate your kind words and am believing with you. I receive your prayers for healing, peace and blessings.
I like that, "no doubt".
Thank you my friend!!
Posted by txgirl09 (Member # 21612) on :
Daisy, I'm so sorry for your recent relapse. I was certain you had beat it this time. I remember reading your success story, but I know that you will be there again.
You and Gary have really opened my eyes to other protocols; you are both such a blessing and I anticipate to move from abx to herbals myself soon.
I'll continue to keep you in my prayers. I love reading your updates.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
"I was certain you had beat it this time..." says txgirl. You and me both txgirl.
I never thought I'd be here again either, but I'm believing--third times a charm.
Thank you much for your prayers.
Posted by valeriedc (Member # 24950) on :
Thanks Daisy for your prayers.
Funny how I focused on your comments on attitude and less on the relapse. You sound so strong, having found an 'inner' way forward, changing the way you frame your response and confidence in your new healing path and of course, faith in the Divine.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Love it when people take what I say and condense it down, like you did, getting right to MY point! Thank you, valeriedc!
I would be lost without my God--in more ways than one! Make that, ummm, every way. Posted by jl123 (Member # 15594) on :
Does anyone know if the Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom salt baths are for Babs? Does oxygen make Babs worse? Any thoughts, experiences? thanks,J
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
jl123, I trust the following information is helpful.
Actions of Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath
Ingredients:
* Hydrogen Peroxide - a simple, nontoxic molecule of H2O2 that is beneficial in oxidizing (breaking down) toxins as well as killing anaerobic microbes. It will also detoxify pesticides and petroleum-based toxins and oxidize metals. Hydrogen peroxide is also naturally produced by macrophages in the body to kill harmful bacteria. Most harmful bacteria are anaerobic and cannot survive in the presence of oxygen or hydrogen peroxide. Cancer cells are often very sensitive to increases in oxygen and cannot survive in oxygen-rich environments. When hydrogen peroxide is applied topically to a cut, the resulting bubbling is from the rapid release of free oxygen and, more importantly, from the idling of the bacteria in the cut. Friendly bacteria are aerobic and need and thrive on oxygen.
* Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulfate) - Recent research has shown that when one soaks in a bath of magnesium sulfate, both magnesium and the sulfate independently increase measurably in the blood and urine. Magnesium sulfate helps stabilize Hydrogen Peroxide so that its ultimate breakdown into H2O and free oxygen is more gradual and functional to the process of benefiting the body. This research documents the very real beneficial aspects of this bath therapy. The Epsom Salt Council reports the following about the benefits of Magnesium in Epsom Salt baths.
Magnesium, a major component of Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate), is the second-most abundant element in human cells and the fourth-most important positively charged ion in the body. Magnesium also helps to regulate the activity of more than 325 enzymes and performs a vital roll in orchestrating many bodily functions, from muscle control and electrical impulses to energy production and the elimination of harmful toxins.
The National Academy of Sciences, however, reports that most Americans are magnesium deficient, which may account for our society's high rate of heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, arthritis and joint pain, digestive maladies and stress-related illnesses, chronic fatigue and a host of other ailments. The Academy estimates the average American male gets just 80% of the magnesium required for good health, while females get only 70% of their recommended levels.
Nutritionists say Americans' magnesium levels have dropped more than 50% in the past century.
Raising magnesium levels may:
+ Improve heart and circulatory health, reducing irregular heartbeats, preventing hardening of the arteries, reducing blood cots, and lowering blood pressure.
+ Improve the body's ability to use insulin, reducing the incidence or severity of diabetes.
+ Flush toxins and heavy metals from the cells, easing muscle pain and helping the body to eliminate harmful substances.
+ Improve nerve function by regulating electrolytes. Also, calcium is the main conductor for electrical current in the body, and magnesium is necessary to maintain proper calcium levels in the blood.
+ Relieve stress. Excess adrenaline and stress are believed to drain magnesium, a natural stress reliever, from the body. Magnesium is necessary fore the body to bind adequate amounts of serotonin, a mood-elevating chemical within the brain that creates a feeling of well being and relaxation.
Sulfate: The "sulfate" part of the Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). This form of sulfate must not be confused with "Sulfa" drugs, to which some people are allergic. People who are allergic to sulfa drugs will not react to sulfate in Epsom Salt. The benefits of sulfate in the body are summarized by Dr. Rosemary Waring of the School of Biosciences, in Birmingham, England:
+ Oral supplementation of Sulfate cannot be easily absorbed across the gut walls; therefore, by soaking in this bath, sulfate can be more efficiently supplemented. Sulfate is essential for many biological processes.
+ Sulfate is needed for formation of proteins in joints; decreased sulfate levels are common in the plasma and joint synovial fluids in cases of arthritis. Sulfate is also low in people with irritable bowel syndrome.
+ Sulfate is necessary for sulfation, a major pathway in detoxifying drugs and endogenous (toxins from within the body) or exogenous (environmental ) toxins.
+ Sulfate is necessary for the repair and formation of brain tissue. Reduced levels of sulfate can lead to faulty neurological connections and subsequent dysfunction.
+ Sulfate is needed for proper digestion and for proper utilization of digestive enzymes.
+ Sulfate is essential for the production of mucin, a protein which lines the intestines. Mucin stops food and drugs form sticking to the lining of the intestines. It also blocks the transport of toxins from the gut into the bloodstream.
* Ginger - functions to open up the pores of the skin and increase the blood flow at the surface of the skin so that the oxygen from the hydrogen peroxide can do its work in detoxifying poisons and kill bacteria and fungi. The pores open wider so that the magnesium sulfate can be more readily absorbed. Ginger is invigorating and can stimulate preparation for the elimination of toxins.
**From pages 196-199 "Beating Lyme Disease: Living the Good Life In Spite of Lyme" by Dr. David A. Jernigan.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Are you interested in the "Recipe" for the Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath?
Scroll up to my post dated "12 March, 2010 10:38 PM".
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Finally getting back to you,
I continue on Dr. J's protocol from home. I was BRS tested and evaluated by Dr. J. It was a one day visit to the Hansa Center--a full day at that. (I share about that in a post above) I was not there for the full two weeks getting daily treatments like Gary. If I had been, I'd probably be doing cartwheels today. LOL.
I began treatment March 2. How am I? Hmmm. Well, first of all it's only been three weeks. I can say that I feel better on Dr. J's protocol than when I went the abx route. (The previous two times I was treated for Lyme with abx I was sicker than a dog, quite a bit of the time, and felt like I lost a significant part of time/life as I lay in bed.)
Since starting the protocol most days I'm pretty good. Some days I have more energy than other days. I've not missed a day of work, however one day I had to leave work early due to flu-like symptoms. When I almost vomited at my desk I knew I "couldn't suck it up any longer" and I took the rest of the day off. Came home and slept for four hours. My body must have needed it. Sure felt good.
Interesting to note, my lower back has been hurting off and on--the detox bath really helps. Due to my back I stopped those isometric exercises I've been faithfully doing for several years. Last week I decided, even though my lower back hurt, I would do my stretch exercises (they are very gentle) and see what happened. I was surprised that the stretching didn't cause pain and actually felt good. Go figure! So I went ahead with the isometric exercises and they caused no pain too. [woohoo] I'd have never guessed. Instead of doing a full 45 minute set at night, I split them up into am and pm. It's working out.
I also detox per the book and I know that helps lots. Gary and I are checking into getting an infrared sauna. One other thing, I take one day a week off from my remedies and supplements per Dr. J. He says take one day a week off from all remedies and supplements, which I do, and I have a sense of knowing that "the break" is a good thing for my body.
Today Gary and I are doing good. We are getting ready to go out and about--got a long list of things to do, including health food store, then out to lunch. Just hanging out.
I'm keeping my chin up. Where does my help come from? My help comes from the Lord, the Maker of heaven and earth. I do want to thank those who are praying for us. God really does answer prayer. I can feel your healing prayers.
By God's grace I am (to quote the subtitle of Dr. J's book) "Living the good life in spite of Lyme" and believing third time is a charm!!!
Have a blessed day, Rhonda
PS: Will share more of the "nitty gritty" after time goes on to give a more realistic "blow by blow" account of my experience. Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
First of all in my post above I typed "I began treatment March 2...it's only been three weeks." Obviously that is wrong information. I began treatment April 30. No I do not have Lyme brain--No! Yikes!
I am so grateful how well I am doing. That day I mentioned in my post above, where I had to leave work, was my worst day (whew!!!). I have to confess it was probably partly, if not all, my fault. See, I started the protocol Friday, April 30 and then Monday, May 10 was the day I left work as I wasn't feeling well.
On Dr. J's protocol one day a week you stop remedies and supplements (yeah, right like I mentioned above) to give your body a rest. Sunday is the day I chose for my "day of rest", however I was doing so good that first week I decided NOT to stop the remedies (more is better-Right? Wrong!). Needless to say my little bottles stay in the cupboard every Sunday.
Since then in a nutshell:
The first week fine. The next couple of weeks tired, but worked normal hours. Would come home and take an hour nap most days. The next week I maybe napped twice. The past week or so I've had a "normal" person's energy, no naps. Heee Heee (you gotta understand I burn the candle at both ends--I know it's not good. My "normal" is "energy through the roof").
Anyway...
Along the way, I have had some aches and pains. Mostly in the morning when I got out of bed, but after walking around for a few minutes better. The Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom/Ginger baths about three times a week--WOW--makes a huge difference (I do them "strategically--helps!)
I love my dry skin brush. I got the hang of it now. I brush my skin from the ground up and use circular motions moving up, up, up. Oh, wow, now I know what a dog feels like getting its back rubbed. Did you know the skin eliminates about two pounds of toxins a day? The dry skin brushing really helps that. So important.
I purchased a rebounder but due to that lower back pain (I talked about that above, sorry for the repeat) I haven't been able to use it. Interesting, I didn't realize the back pain so much until I tried to jump on that rebounder the first time. Needless to say the rebounder is waiting for me in the corner.
The worst pain was two or three weeks in and was related to that low back pain. One evening it went all the way to the end of my tailbone. I had never experienced anything like that before. OUCH! Gary said other people on the Lyme Forums had mentioned that. That did not feel good one bit. Nope. I couldn't get to sleep and I hate taking even aspirin so I didn't.
We always keep "ice packs" in the freezer, also known as "Lyma Beans". (They are only used for "ice packs" no we don't eat those things, Smile.) The cold lasts longer than if you use "ice pack peas". So I had the thought to get an "ice pack" from the freezer and use it on my back side, it really worked. Awwwww. The next day the pain was totally gone and it never came back! (It wasn't til recently that it hit me "Lym a" Beans--get it?! LOL)
I have not had any back pain the past week so I'm going to try the rebounder this weekend. I can't wait.
about two weeks in, I started having calf cramps that woke me at night--not fun. Gary told me he takes Magnesium Citrate, so I added that and haven't had a problem since!
My brain has been just a tad slower than "my normal" which is like at "high speed" usually. I multi-task really great usually. Only had two days where I couldn't multi-task. This is what it looks like in the office-one thing at a time. So I pick up a piece of paper and walk to the filing cabinet and file it. Then I go back to my desk and pick up a piece of paper and walk to the filing cabinet and file it, and so on. The way I look at it, I got my filing done and got exercise at the same time. LOL!
Now, I think my mind is back to "my normal" and then I do something dumb and wonder-is that Lyme? Or is that just me? I figure--it's just me. Smile.
The past seven days I have been doing really well.
Compared to my previous two experiences with abx...there is no comparison!!!! I was very sick and tired almost everyday on abx. I admit I can tolerate a lot of pain, but I do not do well with exhaustion. Most days on abx I would just "suck it up" and do what I needed to.
I have been on Dr. J's protocol for only 36 days (give or take) and I am doing really well. I feel overwhelmed with thankfulness and joy.
Two other things. I posted on the "God Thought" thread a few weeks ago asking for prayer. Thank you my precious friends! God did indeed answer your prayers. Thank you for praying for me I KNOW that helps. Also, I enjoy laughing so much and laugh as much as I can. Science proves the endorphin fix is for real. God's Word says that laughter does good like medicine. I believe it!
Gary and I are both doing well.
Have a great week-end.
Until next time... Blessings, Rhonda
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Congrats Daisy!! Why aren't we all going to this center. He sounds like a miracle cure for all he touches. Maybe even more than Dr. K!!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
seekhelp, Thank you. I am so grateful to be responding positively to Dr. J's protocol. It does feel like a miracle to me--I am not so very sick like I was the previous two times when I was treated with abx.
It hit me today, it's been almost SEVEN years since I was bit by that tick (Fall of 2003). Can't believe I'm "here" again, however I'm very Godtomistic that this will be the last time! (SEVEN-you know that's God's perfect number!)
You say, "miracle cure for all he touches." Dr. J says that God is the one who does the healing.
I can say this, Dr. J is very kind and compassionate as he deals with the patients God brings his way. It is, perhaps, his greatest asset. Dr. J knows first hand what it feels like to have Lyme Disease. He actually thought he was going to die (hello? ever feel like that?!). He is also a scientist and ended up developing the protocol treatment that made him totally well. That's how he became known for treating Lyme, however he treats every illness imaginable.
And as you can imagine, he gets the "worst of the worst" cases. Like my Gary, where doctors had given up hope...and Gary had about given up hope too.
Hope is a wonderful thing. Dr. J's clinic may be called the Hansa Center, but I call it the Hope Center.
I'm doing well today. Going to take a walk now, and then Gary and I will watch a movie tonight.
Look forward to sharing more of the "nitty gritty" next time.
God bless you and, once again, thank you for your prayers!
Rhonda
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
I continue to do very well on Dr. J's protocol. Most days I have no symptoms at all. However,yesterday, Friday, July 1, I woke with a slight headache and a few flu-like symptoms. I did my Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath and all the toxin symptoms disappeared. They've not been back either. (I do the detox bath Monday, Wednesday, and Friday mornings faithfully.) The bath really works! BTW, per Dr. J...when doing the bath DO NOT stay in longer than 20 minutes max!!
Some have inquired on other threads, "What exactly are the toxins?" To quote Dr. Klinghardt (from his conference, "Lyme and Other Chronic Infections" December 2009), "It is not the bugs that make us sick, but it is their "poop and pee". It is the substances that they send out to subdue our immune systems that make us feel ill." Yuck!!! Does that encourage you to move forward to detox or what?!
Very important to, "Detox, detox, detox."
Not related to LD, but something I'm sure you'll be interested to know as it relates to my total body, mind and spirit healing...but first let me back up and share:
December 2003, I had thyroid surgery. As a result the laryngeal nerve was damaged which caused my right vocal cord to become paralyzed. My voice tone quality went down, I haven't been able to sing; but worse, from time to time I have laryngeal spasms. When that happens I can't breathe! (I've heard you can actually go on YouTube and watch a person have an attack, although I'm not interested in doing that AT ALL! Having one of my own is bad enough. LOL, kinda.) Medically there is nothing that can be done to help me.
Anyway...
Reading Dr. J's book, specifically reading how his daughter was healed-her legs had become paralyzed after becoming ill with West Nile Virus-I wondered if there was any hope for me. After thinking about it, and praying about it for a while, I contacted Dr. J. He was very optimistic as he's seen others healed of various paralysis...
I made an appointment and in March 2010, I was treated by Dr. J at the Hansa Center. I continued treatment at home which involved homeopathic remedies among other things. I have not had a Laryngeal spasm since starting treatment! I noticed my voice was changing and becoming better in tone, more like my voice prior to that surgery. I was talking with my sister-in-law (she had no idea I am being treated) and she actually told me my voice sounded better, more like she remembered! I then shared with her about my treatment.
Yesterday I was driving and listening to K-Love. "Amazing Grace" (Chris Tomlin's) came on the radio and I wanted to sing so bad, so I tried. WOW! I did! I was able to make all the notes!!! (After the surgery, and for all this time, I have only had one note.)
My voice was soft, but I was able to sing. It was awesome!!! It's been 6 1/2 years since I really sang! And I sang with happy tears streaming down my face.
O, how I thank God, Dr. J, and American Biological Medicine!!!!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Dr. J posted a very interesting blog this week titled, "Can Lyme Disease Be Cured?".
I've copied and pasted the beginning of the blog plus included the link below so you can continue reading it,
"The question of whether or not Lyme disease can be cured is a recurring question that is asked every doctor who is faced with a person suffering from the disease.
The term 'Cure' is almost taboo in the healing arts profession. No doctor that I know of is willing to say they can cure any illness...especially not Lyme disease.
Before we just say an absolute 'No' that Lyme disease is incurable lets see.." MORE CLICK LINK
Wow!!!! I am so thrilled for you that your voice quality improved and you were able to sing!!!
I will be sure to checkout the link later when I get a chance...thanks!
It was good to read your update...I missed it last time.
Posted by calmom (Member # 24054) on :
Daisy,
You story is so moving! The way you and Gary posted during treatment and continue to update is such an appreciated service.
I love the people at the Hansa Center - I went a little different path with my Lyme Treatment , yet I still keep Hansa in the back of my mind - should the process need more attention in the future. I love that they respect the body that God designed and work in harmony with that. That approach all my Dr.'s must meet.
Can you share the bath formula - I have been doing a Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/ Baking Soda bath after using the body brush. The ginger is an interesting addition.
Peace, CalMom ``For I know the plans I have for you says the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.'' Jeremiah 29:1
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Again, why is everyone who can afford this doc not going there? He sounds like he cures almost everyone!!!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND - HYDROGEN PEROXIDE/EPSOM SALT/GINGER BATH
Online there are various "recipes". We found everything at Wal-Mart. This "recipe" and information is from Dr. J's book**
Ingredients:
* 4-6 cups Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate).
* 32-64 fluid oz Hydrogen Peroxide (3%, as found in grocery store).
* 2-4 Tablespoons of Ginger (fresh grated preferably) wrapped in a thin piece of cloth or in a tea ball. An old piece of nylon hose also works well.) I cut up a pair of new nylons, after grating the ginger/measuring it out appropriately, stuffed the nylon and tied knots at the ends.
Instructions:
* Dry Skin Brush entire body for five minutes before bath, removes the layer of dead skin for better absorption (Gary and I have our own Dry Skin Brushes.) You start with the feet working upwards, hands move towards shoulders, torso upwards toward the heart, back upwards and over shoulders towards heart. Light pressure in areas where skin is thin, and harder pressure on places like soles of feet. (Now that I've got the hang of Dry Skin Brushing, I think I'm addicted to it. Ahhhhhh! Now I know how a dog feels to get his back scratched. )
* Fill the bath tub with WARM water. Then add Epsom Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide and Ginger "ball". Swirl water around, then get in the tub for 20 minutes MAX.
Shower off after wards so skin doesn't get dried out.
Gary and I both notice immediate results each time. Pain reduced or totally gone, nauseousness gone, plus more energy.
Actions of Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath
* Hydrogen Peroxide - a simple, nontoxic molecule of H2O2 that is beneficial in oxidizing (breaking down) toxins as well as killing anaerobic microbes. It will also detoxify pesticides and petroleum-based toxins and oxidize metals. Hydrogen peroxide is also naturally produced by macrophages in the body to kill harmful bacteria. Most harmful bacteria are anaerobic and cannot survive in the presence of oxygen or hydrogen peroxide. Cancer cells are often very sensitive to increases in oxygen and cannot survive in oxygen-rich environments. When hydrogen peroxide is applied topically to a cut, the resulting bubbling is from the rapid release of free oxygen and, more importantly, from the idling of the bacteria in the cut. Friendly bacteria are aerobic and need and thrive on oxygen.
* Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulfate) - Recent research has shown that when one soaks in a bath of magnesium sulfate, both magnesium and the sulfate independently increase measurably in the blood and urine. Magnesium sulfate helps stabilize Hydrogen Peroxide so that its ultimate breakdown into H2O and free oxygen is more gradual and functional to the process of benefiting the body. This research documents the very real beneficial aspects of this bath therapy. The Epsom Salt Council reports the following about the benefits of Magnesium in Epsom Salt baths.
Magnesium, a major component of Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate), is the second-most abundant element in human cells and the fourth-most important positively charged ion in the body. Magnesium also helps to regulate the activity of more than 325 enzymes and performs a vital roll in orchestrating many bodily functions, from muscle control and electrical impulses to energy production and the elimination of harmful toxins.
The National Academy of Sciences, however, reports that most Americans are magnesium deficient, which may account for our society's high rate of heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, arthritis and joint pain, digestive maladies and stress-related illnesses, chronic fatigue and a host of other ailments. The Academy estimates the average American male gets just 80% of the magnesium required for good health, while females get only 70% of their recommended levels.
Nutritionists say Americans' magnesium levels have dropped more than 50% in the past century.
Raising magnesium levels may:
+ Improve heart and circulatory health, reducing irregular heartbeats, preventing hardening of the arteries, reducing blood cots, and lowering blood pressure.
+ Improve the body's ability to use insulin, reducing the incidence or severity of diabetes.
+ Flush toxins and heavy metals from the cells, easing muscle pain and helping the body to eliminate harmful substances.
+ Improve nerve function by regulating electrolytes. Also, calcium is the main conductor for electrical current in the body, and magnesium is necessary to maintain proper calcium levels in the blood.
+ Relieve stress. Excess adrenaline and stress are believed to drain magnesium, a natural stress reliever, from the body. Magnesium is necessary fore the body to bind adequate amounts of serotonin, a mood-elevating chemical within the brain that creates a feeling of well being and relaxation.
Sulfate: The "sulfate" part of the Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). This form of sulfate must not be confused with "Sulfa" drugs, to which some people are allergic. People who are allergic to sulfa drugs will not react to sulfate in Epsom Salt. The benefits of sulfate in the body are summarized by Dr. Rosemary Waring of the School of Biosciences, in Birmingham, England:
+ Oral supplementation of Sulfate cannot be easily absorbed across the gut walls; therefore, by soaking in this bath, sulfate can be more efficiently supplemented. Sulfate is essential for many biological processes.
+ Sulfate is needed for formation of proteins in joints; decreased sulfate levels are common in the plasma and joint synovial fluids in cases of arthritis. Sulfate is also low in people with irritable bowel syndrome.
+ Sulfate is necessary for sulfation, a major pathway in detoxifying drugs and endogenous (toxins from within the body) or exogenous (environmental ) toxins.
+ Sulfate is necessary for the repair and formation of brain tissue. Reduced levels of sulfate can lead to faulty neurological connections and subsequent dysfunction.
+ Sulfate is needed for proper digestion and for proper utilization of digestive enzymes.
+ Sulfate is essential for the production of mucin, a protein which lines the intestines. Mucin stops food and drugs form sticking to the lining of the intestines. It also blocks the transport of toxins from the gut into the bloodstream.
* Ginger - functions to open up the pores of the skin and increase the blood flow at the surface of the skin so that the oxygen from the hydrogen peroxide can do its work in detoxifying poisons and kill bacteria and fungi. The pores open wider so that the magnesium sulfate can be more readily absorbed. Ginger is invigorating and can stimulate preparation for the elimination of toxins.
**From "Beating Lyme Disease: Living the Good Life In Spite of Lyme" by Dr. J.
(Lymetoo, Is this where I say, "Do not take this as medical advice but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once" )
[ 11-14-2010, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Dekrator, My friend, it is WOW! And I'm so very blessed to have your prayers, too. I'm sure they play a big role in this miracle taking place with my throat.
calmom, You share, "I love that they (Hansa Center doctor's) respect the body that God designed and work in harmony with that. That approach all my Dr.'s must meet." That is an awesome statement and one that Gary and I learned the hard way. But thankfully we learned it!!!! God continue to lead you. Jeremiah 29:11-One of my favorite verses in God's Word.
Peace to you too, calmom, and others reading this thread.
Posted by Tonglen (Member # 18472) on :
Daisy, thank you so much for sharing. Was wondering, have you seen many patients at the Center with chemical sensitivities?
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Tonglen, we met one young boy at the Center who was being treated for chemical sensitivities. They treat everything you can imagine, even and especially cases (like gwb and me) where the so-called "medical experts" are not able to offer any help.
Posted by Tonglen (Member # 18472) on :
Thx! Be well.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for posting the blog. Interesting perspective. So many people stress over the testing & whether they have bacteria, viruses, etc. that they can verify. It's about science & I can understand why people may feel this way.
Healing is an art. We are more that just being numbers on a test. Antibiotics have their place but sometimes we need more. I'm going to have to study Dr. Js methods again. I can't afford to see him but maybe there's some things I can try on my own.
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
Hi thanks again for this thread and the updates.
I have been doing ok though have had a setback with acupuncture and just hope that the boost to my immune system which was too strong and seemed to increase the thyroid antibodies and make the thyroid worse will be ok with less aggrressive treatment and am working on detoxification and waiting for a frequency device to arrive - I have decided on this treatment and especially as the device is authorised where I live and is very popular amongst therapists. I am thinking of using the Hansa remedies as well and tested a list of them using kinesiology which I do on myself with success though some say that you cannot if you are sick. It is something that I would have utterly rejected in the days when I thought that a believer should use the medical establishment and other cures were new agey - ha I have come a long way!
So the things that tested right for me are the Microbojen and the Neuro-Atitox 11 CNS/PNS but I will have to ask whether they are compatible with electric therapy.
mati
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: Thanks for posting the blog. Interesting perspective. So many people stress over the testing & whether they have bacteria, viruses, etc. that they can verify. It's about science & I can understand why people may feel this way.
Healing is an art. We are more that just being numbers on a test. Antibiotics have their place but sometimes we need more. I'm going to have to study Dr. Js methods again. I can't afford to see him but maybe there's some things I can try on my own.
The best thing you could do is buy his book "Beating Lyme Disease" by Dr. J. It's available on his website at the Hansa Center. It's one of the best books out there on Lyme disease.
You could do the protocol at home and save thousands of dollars. One gal over on the Healing Well forum followed the protocol in the book and got completely well in 8-9 months. If you want her name to look up her posts pm me and I'll send it to you.
Gary
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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks! I'll look into getting the book. I'm doing OK with my own protocol but I could use some additional ideas or insights.
After all of these years - I'm not absolutely sure it's even Lyme. It may be XMRV or ...? My diagnosis was clinical. I think there may be alot of people treating Lyme when it may be something else - just like there are false negatives.
Glad to hear that something helped you!
Posted by MDW005 (Member # 22706) on :
Good afternoon gwb,
The last couple of weeks I have been in so much pain....I think caused by sky-diving with my dad and stress maybe... could also be from smoking three packs of cigaretts after quitting for several months. The pain has been difficult to live with. Prier to all this I would say most days I have felt 75%-80% better.
I got up this morning and have had no smokes and decided to try the epsom/perox/ginger bath you have talked about. I did the body scrub first then soaked for 20 min., at first when I got out; I felt woozy and wanted to lay back down, then I started sweating.
Within one hour I started feeling better... The pain in my face and head started subsiding. The burning is at a tolerable level now.
So there is something to say about detoxing.
Can I dunk my head and face in the bath next time? smile
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Posted by MDW005 (Member # 22706) on :
Hi Gary,
We have been seiously talking about the Hansa Center and have been doing some research on it. The center says it's a two week treatment... Can I do one week and still get great benefits from the program? Trying to get our fundings together for a two week treatment.. gas, food, lodging, etc.
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Sorry, I'm a little skeptical about the Center.
Lobelia, a very toxic flower and plant, is the main ingredient in their Neuro formula. I paid $60 for it, and then did the research on the internet. I was aghast. I tried to get a refund, but could not.
I spoke with this wife about it on the telephone, but she wasn't very clear or assuring.
Hydrogen peroxide therapy is no longer advised. Some people have died. Don't ever do the Hydrogen Peroxide IV. REsearch on the internet.
However, I recognize that some are doing very well on his protocol. It seams $5,000 is an awful lot of $$$ to spend, but if it helps a few, then it is worth it, I guess.
I will try to keep an open mind, but I would love to see the statistics of those treated and those that get well.
IMO, CherylSue
Posted by Dekrator48 (Member # 18239) on :
daisy or gwb,
What kind of brush should one buy to do the dry skin brushing?
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
Gary
Do you still continue to do well ?? OR are you getting even better? Or do you feel like you kinda are staying at the same place?/
How are things going overall?
What have you stuck with that help the most of the teatments?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thank you, sparkle!!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dekrator48: daisy or gwb,
What kind of brush should one buy to do the dry skin brushing?
Dekrator48,
So sorry for not responding sooner. We have been very busy with our organization and out of town quite a bit lately. Finally I'm able to get caught up on some of the comments and questions that I haven't yet responded to.
You can get them at Whole Foods if there's one near you. I also have a shorter handle brush that I can use in the shower to clean with and I use it for dry skin cleaning too. The shorter handle one is a bit easier to use for me, but they both work good, it's just a matter of preference.
Hope you got one and have started using it along with your detox baths. The detoxing has done me a world of good. I do the baths three times a week and try to dry brush daily but am not as faithful with that as I should be.
How are you doing lately?
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by springshowers: Gary
Do you still continue to do well ?? OR are you getting even better? Or do you feel like you kinda are staying at the same place?/
How are things going overall?
What have you stuck with that help the most of the teatments?
Hi springshowers,
As I said on a previous post, forgive me for the delay in responding. We've been busy with our organization and out of town quite a bit. Plus, I admit I kind of forgotten about this thread and haven't paid much attention to it until this morning. Glad I checked as I see there are some unanswered questions and comments that I need to respond to.
I wanted to just say for now, I'm doing really well overall. I want to share more details with you about how I've been doing since my last posts here, but right now we are getting ready for church. I will try to get back later today and give you some more detailed answers as to how I've been doing lately.
But, I can say that the progress I've made has been holding up and I have not regressed or lost any ground. Is everyday a perfect day, no it isn't. But that's the part I'll share with you when I have more time. I feel it's appropriate I give you (and others here who are interested) a more in depth report on how I've been doing over the past two to three months. I will try my best to do that later today, if not, it will for sure be no later than the middle of the week. Thanks for your patience.
By the way, how are you doing?
Gary
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
I know it's been a while since we've been here, glad to see Gary responded to ya'll.
Little update about me:
I continue to do well on Dr. J's protocol for LD and Co. Between the remedies and detoxing I'm feeling really good.
Actually, I want to share about something else that I'm pretty excited about.
Dr. J is treating my throat. In 2003 I had thyroid surgery that left my laryngeal nerve damaged resulting in my right vocal cord becoming paralyzed. (You can read my post for details about this on page 3/July 3, 2010.) Dr. J is treating me with different therapies...including cold laser therapy, homeopathic remedies...to name a few.
I am so thrilled because my voice quality is improving, people are noticing.
Get this--yesterday, my grandson said to me, "Grandma your voice is better! I can tell your voice is better!"
Folks, he is six years old! I've not talked with him about my voice. Of course, I was so curious and had to ask him, "How can you tell?"
He told me, "You can talk louder."
That was so thrilling and funny too. No, I wasn't yelling at him. As it turned out, we were playing a game with a hover flying toy, things got kind of exciting, and I hadn't even noticed I was talking louder. (In the past my voice has been soft, and I have "physically" not been able to talk loud.)
American Biological Medicine...it really is working!!!
That's if for now. I'll be back with more updates as to my progress ie: LD and throat.
May the path you have chosen lead to your healing...body, mind, and spirit.
Blessings, Rhonda
Posted by Dekrator48 (Member # 18239) on :
gwb,
Thank you for your response.
I got the dry skin brush yesterday.
Today I travel to see my LLMD, so I plan to try the brushing and bath tomorrow.
Thank you again!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by CherylSue: Sorry, I'm a little skeptical about the Center.
Lobelia, a very toxic flower and plant, is the main ingredient in their Neuro formula. I paid $60 for it, and then did the research on the internet. I was aghast. I tried to get a refund, but could not.
I spoke with this wife about it on the telephone, but she wasn't very clear or assuring.
Hydrogen peroxide therapy is no longer advised. Some people have died. Don't ever do the Hydrogen Peroxide IV. REsearch on the internet.
However, I recognize that some are doing very well on his protocol. It seams $5,000 is an awful lot of $$$ to spend, but if it helps a few, then it is worth it, I guess.
I will try to keep an open mind, but I would love to see the statistics of those treated and those that get well.
IMO, CherylSue
CherylSue,
Sorry I haven't posted sooner but we have been out of town and extremely busy the past few months. I am so far behind on updating this thread and feel bad about it.
I wanted to respond to your comment about the Lobelia that you mentioned as an ingredient in one of the Jernigan remedies. I don't know when you ordered your remedy, but over a year ago the Lobelia plant substance was removed from all of Dr. J's remedies.
However, if you do a google search on this plant, you'll find a good amount of information touting the benefits of this plant. Also, there are different varieties of the Lobelia plant.
Keep in mind, when Dr. J developed these remedies, many of them he took himself since he had Lyme disease, so there would be no reason for a person who is an expert in botanical medicine to take something that he knows would poison himself. Dr. J never puts anything in his remedies that will poison them.
But, that's all beside the point now. He took it out of his remedies because of people who would read information on the internet (not always accurate) and it would scare them away from this remedy. He decided to remove it so that people would not need to worry about whether they were getting "poison" in their medicines. They weren't then, and they aren't now.
By the way, not to defend the Lobelia plant, that really isn't important in light of the fact that Dr. J doesn't use it anymore, but if you are curious to read differing views about this plant here's a couple of good links to read:
Not completely related to the topic, but speaking of poisons, this is something a friend of mine who has a pharmaceutical background sent me.
"If people knew the poisons they were taking in the pharmaceutical realm they would really be up in arms. The average American consumes 12 different prescriptions. Coumadin for thinning the blood is nothing but rat poison that you can buy from Ace Hardware. Premarin is derived from Horse urine and has likely led to the death of many thousands of women through increasing cancer. Blood pressure meds are often from snake venom".
Yuk, who'd have ever thought that popular medicines were made from poisons like these?
One other thing, you mentioned in this same post was about the dangers of Hydrogen Peroxide IV. Not sure if you were connecting this to Dr. J or not, but he does not do Hydrogen Peroxide IV's. He does have a hydrogen peroxide, epsom salt, grated ginger detox bath recipe for detoxing. Not sure where you got the information about him doing Hydrogen Peroxide IV's because he definitely does not do this.
About the expense, well, there's a lot I could say about that but I need to get ready for work and will save that for another post. If you read this thread, you will know that this protocol basically saved my life. Yes, I don't deny it's expensive, but like I've said before, if the protocol gets you better--it's priceless!
I'm living now like I've haven't lived in five years. I can do things I haven't been able to do in years and have energy to do it. Most importantly, I have hope again. I had come to the point where I lost all hope of ever getting better. But now, I have hope that I will continue to get better, even though I'm doing wonderful now, I still believe I can get better than I am now. So, yes, it is expensive, but having my life back is so worth it. I just wish I had known about this protocol five years ago.
Gotta go to work now. More later!
Gary
** edited to remove doctor's name **
[ 11-14-2010, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
It's really great reading gwb's (my husband's) recent post. Living with him and seeing first hand his improvement; well, I'll just say, "It is great to have my Gary back!!!" Our family is a lovin' it too!!!
Wanted to share the latest with me. I, too, am thankful that I'm improving and the best part--I have very few "off" days.
Saturday, August 7, I woke drenched in sweat, tired, and dragged myself out of bed. My lower back hurt, had brain fog, air hunger, and felt nauseated. My hubby and I had a commitment that I really wanted to keep. After moving around, taking a shower, I felt some better and was able to keep that commitment. In the afternoon when we arrived back home I laid down and slept four hours.
Sunday, August 8, I was still tired, sweaty, had the back pain, and air hunger. The brain fog and nauseousness were gone. I decided to add an extra hydrogen peroxide/epsom salt bath to my regular routine. After the bath the back pain was gone and has not returned. (No remedies on Sunday as Dr. J has his patients skip remedies and supplements one day a week...for me it is Sundays.) After church we joined family for lunch at a restaurant. When we arrived home I took a three hour nap. Since waking up my symptoms are gone, with the exception of sweating and air hunger.
Overall I feel good and my energy level is better. It's been a good week.
Since starting Dr. J's protocol I have had ONLY four days or so that were not that good. That is amazing when you consider I was sick, almost daily, when I was being treated with abx.
Later this month, Gary and I are going to the Hansa Center for "tune-ups"...will have our remedies BRS tested and changes made to our protocols as needed, get some heavy duty detoxing done, also gotta have Melissa's massage!
Labor Day weekend we have plans to fly to Florida to visit our son, his wife, and our two granddaughters again. Life is good--Thank God!
Will keep you posted.
Blessings, Rhonda
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Hansa Center my two day "tune up" August 24-25, 2010.
The atmosphere at the Center feels more like walking into a friend's house than walking into a doctor's office. This helps calm people and alleviate concerns/fears imagined before arriving. The staff is very warm and joyful, while at the same time professional. When GWB/Gary and I arrived there were hugs all around.
It was quite busy...many others with Lyme were being treated as well...and it was great to talk with each one.
Anyway...let me catch you up to speed since my last post...
In July we were at a conference in Las Vegas for ten days. The day we were to fly home I woke and felt pain in my chest. It wasn't too bad at first, however, by the time we arrived at the airport it was a lot worse, plus I was short of breath. I ignored it until I became nauseated. That's when I told my husband. I started sweating and had chills. Became tired. My left arm and left hand became numb. Then my right hand. I did not feel well and, try as I could with my best poker face, I couldn't continue to hide how bad I felt. OK, so airport personnel called 911.
Paramedics started IV, gave me four baby aspirin, nitro tablet, and did an EKG. (I hated taking those pills!) ER bottom line...after a heart attack was ruled out...the doctor said I probably had either an ulcer or gastritis and wanted to give me a proton pump inhibitor which I refused.
Long story short, we arrived home and off and on I had some stomach issues but didn't think too much about it. Then August 21, the Saturday before my visit to the Hansa Center, I had the worst stomach pain in my life! I can only describe it as looking like I was six months pregnant with twins...and they were boxing all day. I did take some gas-X...and that finally helped.
I shared the above with Dr. J. He felt my stomach/abdomen and found that I had a hiatal hernia. Mini-lesson: The diaphragm separates our lower organs from our heart and lungs. There is a hole in the diaphragm where the esophagus passes through. A hiatal hernia happens when the stomach/part of the stomach passes through the opening in the diaphram and moves upwards. This can cause various issues including putting pressure on the heart and lungs. (In the ER the doctor never did touch my stomach or abdomen.)
Dr. J did a procedure, several times, where he pressed on the middle of my chest and then pushed down until he got the stomach back to its proper position. The results were immediate; I could literally feel the difference. And I have not had any problem since. (You can google about hiatal hernias and specifically that procedure...I found it interesting to read about.)
I look forward to sharing more about my recent "tune up" at the Hansa Center next time.
As always, we do appreciate your prayers.
Blessings all!
[ 11-14-2010, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by Consuelachacha (Member # 26538) on :
Wow!! What an interesting thread.
Congrats to you Gary on your recovery.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife.
Thank you for taking the time to post for all of us "out here" to learn.
Good Luck, Connie in STL
Posted by Dekrator48 (Member # 18239) on :
daisy,
I'm so sorry to hear that you went through all that!
I am grateful that you did not have a heart attack, and that your Dr was able to help you.
Wishing you and Gary only good days ahead.
Prayers for continued healing for both of you!!
Posted by lyme in Putnam (Member # 11561) on :
God bless and good health. Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Hi Connie, This may sound like a strange thing for me to say, but actually this thread has turned out interesting to Gary and me too. This whole alternative journey into American Biological Medicine has been quite eye-opening for us...to say the least. We've learned so much...and continue to learn. I guess we're all learning together.
Thank you so much for your thoughts and prayers for us...they are always welcome!
God bless you, Rhonda
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Dekrator, Yeah, I'm grateful too. Big Smile. Oh, yeah, only good days ahead...sounds greaaaaaaat!!
Thanks for your prayers.
You're in my prayers too...you and your family, friend.
Blessings always, Rhonda
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
lyme in Putman, Thanks! God bless and good health back at ya!!!
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Finally an update and I'm excited to share the good report!!!!! They say that time goes by fast when you're having fun...and that's the truth...so...sorry we haven't been back to post sooner.
Gary shares, "I hit a plateau...then during my "tune-up" a few months ago at the Hansa Center, Dr. J recommended I see a biological dentist...which I did...and I do believe that has helped with my continued healing. I am 75% better overall. In the mornings when I wake, I am a little slow moving around at first, but nothing like a year ago. After a few minutes, and a detox bath from time to time, I'm ready for my day. We've been enjoying life...including three trips to Florida to visit family...and I'm back to working full time."
I am thrilled to see my Gary doing so well! He is a totally different man than he was last January. We've made many great memories with our family and friends this year and look forward to many more years of the same. It's great!!! Although Gary says he is "75% better overall" he has days that are grand...there is no other word to describe those days. Last Sunday was one of those grand days. The day started out early, he preached (filled in) at a local church for a pastor who was away, then out to lunch, arrived home and he got caught up on stuff around the house, plus he took both cars to have them cleaned inside and out.
As for me, I am doing great! All of my symptoms have totally disappeared except, from time to time, I am more tired than I'd like to be...thankfully most days I have good energy...and there are rashes that come and go, however they don't bother me. The most amazing thing is that during my treatment I have not suffered like I did when on abx and I have my own mind. WOW! I'm so thankful!
I have learned a lot since 2003 when LD and Co. first entered my life. The biggest thing I've learned is that it takes--PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS--to combat this horrific disease. I had seen two MDs, two LLMDs and was treated with abx (was sicker than a dog, and at times, sicker than a pack of dogs), got better, only to relapse again and again. Thank God for leading us to the Hansa Center (especially thankful for those He used to enlighten us to alternative options).
From my experience, taking just a pill is not the long term answer for beating LD; the body must be built up to a level of integrity so that it can function optimally, the way God designed it, then it will be able to combat not only LD but anything that comes its way.
The results of-PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS-doing everything I can to give my body (mind and spirit too) what it needs...from supplements and remedies from Dr. J, to healthy food and water, to detoxing, to exercising, to thinking happy/positive thoughts/focusing on truth/reducing stress, to praying and everything in between is paying off.
It does take discipline. There is a saying from the Good Book that reads, "No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."
The discipline, the life-style changes...some have been easy, some have been harder...the harvest of right living and peace...make it all worth it!!!
We appreciate everyone's concern and prayers for us...the prayers do make a difference!
Thank you friends!!!
Posted by Dekrator48 (Member # 18239) on :
daisy,
Thank you for the great update!
I am overjoyed to hear that Gary is doing so much better!
Also, wonderful to hear that all your symptoms have disappeared most of the time!
I totally agree it takes great discipline to make alot of lifestyle changes.
Lifestyle changes have helped me alot too.
So happy that you have found what works for you.
Continued prayers for you and Gary for great health. Posted by MDW005 (Member # 22706) on :
Daisy and Gary,
This is wonderful news. So happy to hear that the two of you are healing so well.
I have a guestion... Daisy you had suggested a soap that I could use after my detox baths and I can not recall now what it was...once again I think I deleted before writing it down.
I bought a soap today that is certified organic; Almond Pure-Castile Soap.
My concern is that it has olive oils and Jojoba? oil... do oils soak into the skin and make one herx? I read that it also has coconut and palm oil it.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Congrats on continued healing! Anyone ready to jump ob board to the Hansa Center after this success? I'm shocked more aren't headed there.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Dekrator, Thank you for the kind words and especially the prayers. God is answering! It is amazing that lifestyle changes really do make a big difference...go figure.
MDW, It is great to be healing so well. FYI, I use Castile Soap and, me personally, have never experienced a herx.
seekhelp, Continued healing is great. Many people are going to the Hansa Center and getting better from LD (among other illnesses/diseases). I am blessed that, through various avenues, I am in communication with some of the folks going there and hearing the good reports. There really is help and healing from LD.
Also, there are many people who, for whatever reason(s) are not able to go to the Hansa Center, and are following the at-home protocol as outlined in Dr. J's book, "Beating Lyme Disease" (Second Edition), subtitle, "Living The Good Life in Spite of Lyme". The key is FOLLOWING the COMPLETE protocol. It incorporates a well-rounded approach to healing...not just taking a remedy or pill. Folks, it's working!
Healing blessings to all.
** edited to remove doctor's name **
[ 11-14-2010, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
Has anyone that has gone to the Hansa Center been sent to Alice for Colymed Therapy?
I have a dear friend who knows Dr. J and Alice personally.
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
Daisy....
I need to PM you....you box is full.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
***** moderator's note -- please refrain from using Lyme practitioners' names on the board. Thanks *****
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
Happy New Year 2012! An update...finally! Although GWB and I have both posted from time to time on other threads.
I've continued on the protocol...and...
Early Summer 2011, I was symptom free! In Dr J's book he says that when you are symptom free for two months straight, then you can go off the protocol. I was just getting ready to stop the protocol. It was towards the end of the Summer, while playing outside with our grandson, I was reinfected, had classic symptoms, even the bulls-eye rash. Missed some work...yada, yada, yada.
Using Dr. J's book like a text book, and having a good sense for my body, I doubled up (the way it is explained in the book) on certain remedies. After three months I was symptom free again. I continued for another two months symptom free then stopped. I have been off the protocol over a month now and I feel great!
In addition to the protocol, I know that many people have been praying for both GWB and me...so I must thank my God for His healing touch, after all, He is the One who designed the body to be able to even heal.
As for GWB, I'll let him know that it's his turn to give an update. I will share that he continues to improve. His protocol now includes being treated for parasites. Plus recently he was diagnosed with Adhesive Disease (related to two surgeries he had years ago).
Bottom line--we are both active, enjoying life with each other (SO THANKFUL GWB IS HERE WITH ME, we weren't too sure about that December 2009!), enjoying our family, friends, church, working full time, and very excited for all God has planned for 2012.
Thank you all for your well wishes, positive vibes, and prayers throughout the years! All of the same back at you and quadrupled!
PS: GWB and I both continue with drinking water, doing the Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt Detox Baths (I do 1-2 a week), Dry Skin Brushing daily AM and PM, Drink Greens, "Coffee" (hee hee), Exercise and do the other stuff to build/and keep the Immune System strong. No Sauna yet...we want one!
Posted by momintexas (Member # 23391) on :
Oh that's wonderful news!! So happy to hear you are both doing so well!
Posted by Dogsandcats (Member # 28544) on :
Great news! May God continue to guide you both and bless you.
Posted by daisyrlb (Member # 15686) on :
momintexas and Dogsandcats. Thanks for your words of support.
Posted by Inquisitive321 (Member # 36899) on :
Any updates on anyone who has visited the clinic?
Posted by smileynot (Member # 18095) on :
Can anyone post an update regarding this thread with Gary and his wife's experience at HANSA Center in Kansas?? How is he now, it's April of 2017 and I notice there are no longer any postings???
Is Gary better, worse, the same.. any different.. and was the trip and money spent worth it all?
What are you doing about killing the lyme spirochete bacteria?? Seems like everything is based on detoxing you..
Please someone post some sort of update so we will know about if it's worth the money?? thanks
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
Gary hasn't posted since 2011 and daisy last posted in early 2013.
You can click on their screen names and then on "view recent posts" to find out who is still posting here and who isn't.
A friend of mine went to that Hansa center. It was all about detox--many, many different ways of detoxing--and a little about mind control. That is, controlling how you think about your disease. They really tried to talk her out of going back on antibiotics ever again.
So, the detox made her feel better, but of course it didn't cure her lyme. And it cost her a lot of money.
I have been on this board for a LONG time, and this is what all the Hansa Centers seem to be all about.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I'll let daisy know... I'm pretty sure GWB is doing well.
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