(The one where you drink all the apple juice, epsom salt, olive oil, and grapefruit juice...)
If you do, does it make you feel better?
My liver has a really bad time detoxing, I detox about 3x slower than the normal person and I have some things pop up on some genetic testing which showed my liver is not in the greatest shape. My doctor feels this is what is holding me back.
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
IMO flushing is for toilets not livers.
Like beating a tired horse to run faster.
Have your doc order Livergy + Tox-ex from www.inno-vita.com for you. Help the organ get healthier !!
[ 02-28-2010, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: massman ]
Posted by WildCondor (Member # 434) on :
I used to do these...don't know if it actually works though. I got the tiny green things...but i think they were just the olive oil. The epsom salts made me weak and dizzy, messed with me since I have NMH. Who knows.
LOl FLushing is for toilets indeed.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I had a lot of symptom relief with the flushes. I did 5 of them and saw significantly fewer "stones" with the last one so did no more.
I did feel bad during the flushes from the fasting and diarrhea from the epsom salts, but afterward had symptom relief.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- It's a good point: a "flush" is for a toilet or a car radiator - not for a body organ.
Liver SUPPORT is best. Ongoing, liver care by diet and support with milk thistle, etc.
A "flush" is too much stress not just for the liver but other body systems. If your diet has enough bulk and you have liver support with certain supplements, and you can take a warm bath, gently exercise - all that should be enough for your liver. (Oh, and avoid acetaminophen.)
It's not a filter that you can run under water and say it's all clear. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
. . . Individual variations in our cytochrome P40 enzymes help to demystify why there are so many variations in how we respond to drugs and herbs. . . .
. . . The important thing to remember is that the liver is a hot (metabolically active) organ, and so tends to get congested and inflamed. . . .
. . . PROTECTION . . . Turmeric root, wheat sprouts, schisandra berries, amla fruit, beet root and milk thistle seed are among the major sources of protective anti-oxidants for the liver cells, as are fruits that contain flavonoids, especially citrus fruits.
These should be used to prevent development of inflammatory disease, or for damage protection as in the case of persons taking strong chemical drugs or undergoing chemotherapy.
. . . DEFICIENCY . . . The liver can become weakened and deficient. If this is not corrected, it can lead to liver atrophy and depletion of glycogen stores, even hepatitis. Signs include fatigue, low blood pressure, hypoglycemia, dry eyes, headache, heat symptoms and irritability . . . .
. . . HEAT and INFLAMMATION . . . To remove excess liver inflammation with heat signs or toxins . . . .
. . . PAIN . . . If there is liver inflammation with signs of pain and tension, use herbs that calm the liver and move the blood . . . .
SECONDARY PORPHYRIA: what you should know before starting a CAP (combined antibiotic protocol)
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KPU (Kryptopyrroluria) is just ONE type of porphryia that seems to have importance regarding patients with lyme, autism and those who have issues with heavy metals:
Keebs posted "pushing the liver could make things much worse."
Amen
Sweet talk it, it works much better. Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- With some kinds of porphyria, pushing the liver can be fatal. -
Posted by Ticked (Member # 24336) on :
I personally feel good about the flushes. I've done 15 of them over the last several months. I got many spoons full of stones/chaff the first few times.
The last couple of flushes have only produced a very few stones. That tells me that I've hopefully about gotten the liver/gallbladder cleaned out!
May eventually only do a few flushes a year for maintenance.
I've never experienced any pain passing the stones. It's never made me sick. I always feel better after doing them once I get my strength up by getting some food back in my system.
I'd like to think these flushes, as well as zapping for parasites, has helped me stay feeling as well as I have through the last year or so.
I'm certainly no liver expert, but I know it's the largest filter the body has. If it's stopped up with parasites, toxins, and sludge, stones, etc., it makes sense to me that it needs cleaning out, not just "supporting".
I take many supplements for liver health though. These are just my personal observations. If these flushes are dangerous, I certainly can't tell it.
I've been desperate to get to feeling better for 3 years now, and I've done these flushes with the hope that they will make a big difference.
Well, now I think I have lyme. I wish I could "flush" it out as easily as cleaning up the liver, but that ain't gonna happen, huh?
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
Thanks Keebler. I didn't check all the links but it's nice to hear this from someone that obviously has done some research. I have been told to do this liver detox thing and it just doesn't seem natural to me to drink a bunch of oil or whatever it is one does.
Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
Keebler,
you write:
With some kinds of porphyria, pushing the liver can be fatal.
This is very important for some people. Especially people with trouble detoxing could have porphyria and should read cpnhelp.org.
The chlamydia can be almost like a co-infection to lyme and it causes almost the same problems.
Some people might have also cpn in addition to lyme. Especially those who are not getting better should check for cpn which can make secondary porphyria.
Karen
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
For those who like flushes:
Would a healthy liver need flushed ?
If yes, why ? Posted by Ticked (Member # 24336) on :
It's my understanding that once the flushes have been done (and for most people it will take several), then just a few maintenance flushes a year should keep everything running smoothly.
As I said earlier, I started last summer, getting MANY stones and crud with the first few flushes. Now lately, with the last couple of flushes, I've only gotten a scattering few.
That tells me that I'm about through with the every 2-3 week interval flushes,and that the liver is about cleaned out.
I was 50 years old when I started to flush. That a lot of time for stuff to accumulate! Now hopefully, a flush every month or less may do.
I stepped out on faith with this.It's all been trial and error, as well as doing lots of reading on the subject.
Would a healthy liver need flushed? I'd think YES! For the sake of preventive maintenance. My 56 year old cousin was healthy, having no symptoms, yet he did one mainly out of curiosity. He got out several stones, painlessly.
He has been an ultrasound technician for years. He's seen the gallstones, and all the surgeries to remove the gallbladders.
He's the one who told me about the flushes. He said that he read that over in Europe somewhere that they DON'T remove gallbladders. The patient drinks some oil/juice and they pass them in their stools!
Gallbladder surgery is one of the most common surgeries in America!! People are told that the gallbladder isn't needed.
But once it's removed, many suffer with chronic diarrhea, because the bile is dripping directly into the intestine instead of into the gallbladder.
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