Saliva cortisol yielded middling high results in AM to really high in PM (wired, jacked up feeling, can't stand it).
Doc RX rhodiola rosea and ashwagandha and Vit C....but arent' these stimulants?
And then Seriphos of course in PM to bring it down.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- SeriPhos always worked very well for me (and I so miss it as it had to be cut for practical reasons).
You can read more about that at www.vrp.com - search articles on that and on adrenals.
Vitamin C is excellent. If it makes you feel speedy, cut back on the dose - or don't take too late in the day. But it also has some calming effect so, with B-6 before bed, it can work for some.
Rhodiola can be a bit too stimulating for some - or at first.
Most adrenal herbs are what's called "Adaptogen" and work with your body. Other than Rhodiola or Korean Ginseng, most are not stimulating.
There are many kinds of Ginseng and the best is called that but not really one at all: Siberian Ginseng (Eleu...). Ashwagandha is wonderful.
A collection from my file notes ---
canefan17 posted this first set:
Adaptocrine K2
Adrenal Stim & Adrenal Calm creams Vit C with bioflavanoids (2000mg/day) Pantothenic acid B5 (1000mg/day)
split up all throughout the day.
the creams I do....
Adrenal Stim 9am-12-3pm Adrenal Calm 9am-12-6pm
For thyroid I just started Med Caps T3 (helps with conversion of T4 to T3) (Kelp)
(canefan17)
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Cordyceps is recommend here:
This is included in Burrascano's Guidelines, but you may want to be able to refer to it separately, too:
Curcumin Prevents Some Stress-Related Changes (By CP Staff)
Excerpts:
A recently published study investigated the effects of curcumin, a constituent of the botanical turmeric, on changes in cognition and memory caused by stress. . . .
. . . In this new study, researchers investigated the effect of curcumin supplementation on stress-induced learning defects in mice. . . .
. . . In addition, curcumin reversed the stress-induced increase in the levels of serum corticosterone, the primary hormone secreted during the stress response. . . .
. . . The researchers concluded, ``Thus, curcumin may be an effective therapeutic for learning and memory disturbances as was seen within these stress models, and
its neuroprotective effect was mediated in part by normalizing the corticosterone response, resulting in down-regulating of the phosphorylated calcium/calmodulin kinase II and glutamate receptor levels.''
The Potbelly Syndrome: How Common Germs Cause Obesity, Diabetes, And Heart Disease (Paperback) - 2005
by Russell Farris (Author), Per Marin (Author)
Much about stress reactions here. - you can read customer reviews at the link. Attention is given to lyme and other chronic stealth infections however, it does not go into details about solutions.
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This is not a lyme book.
This book has only one reference to lyme (in the historical use of sarsarparilla for another spirochetal infection). However, it is a vital first book to read - or a reference - for anyone interested in understanding nutritional methods.
Search for Ashwagandha; Cordyceps; Siberian Ginseng in this book:
Graciously, much of this book is on line. It can also be purchased from this site or through Amazon where you can look inside the book and see many customer reviews.
Afternoon naps are often absolutely required, as per Dr. B's self-care guidelines.
Being GLUTEN-FREE can make a huge different with endurance and mood related to adrenal exhaustion. Many LLMD require their patients to be gluten-free, for good reason.
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There are many articles and books under the search of: Adaptogens -
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Heal the organ
Or...take 27 different things at 42 different times or is that 72 different things at 24 different times...... Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Supplements can help to heal the HPA axis.
After the primary task of treating infection(s), this kind of concentrated food is a requirement of sorts, as a good diet is helpful but not enough to heal. Rest only works up to a point and, of course, good habits are important. However, very specific nutrients - from supplements - are a very important factor.
There are choices. That is good. It's good to study all the choices and compare and contrast with your needs. Also, it's good to rotate from time to time. So, having so many to consider is a good thing. -
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
CD57,
Vit C (4000mg+/day) B5 (1000mg+/day) Adaptocrin Herbs (ash, rhodiola, siberian ginseng, etc)
Eat 5-6 small meals/day Avoid sugar like the plague. Have a protein at every meal. Wake up at same time every day. Exercise 3-4 times per week(moderately)
Posted by lemonlime (Member # 25975) on :
Dhea (if ou want more info on this PM me) Licorice - NOT DGL Pantothenic Acid which is B5- activates adrenal glands. Is a prescursor acetyl CoA( a part of the Krebs cycle which produces cllulr energy) and acetycholine ( a primary neurotransmitter) A B% deficiency results in adrenal insufficiency, which is characterized by fatigue, headache, sleep disturbance and abdominal discomfort. Vit C Melatonin Phosphtidylserine This is not medical advice talk to a doctor before taking these. L-theanine
Posted by lemonlime (Member # 25975) on :
cllulr typo - the word is cellular energy
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- lemonlime,
If you want to edit a post, you can click onto the tiny pencil and paper icon just right of center over your post. Hope that helps. -
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Thanks for the posts.
I am confused though.....I need something to bring them UP in the mornings and then start to calm them by mid-day.
Rhodiola and Vit C and ashwaghanda will bring them UP, so good in the AM, but how about getting them down so I am not jacked and wired? Someone said holy basil.
I posted on the Yahoo Natural Thyroid and Adrenals group about this also.
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Many supps push up, some others pull down.
So WHY is push pull push pull push pull important to do ? That is treating symptoms not causes. Have to treat that way forever.With actually getting the organ to heal the best it can, you usually do not have to treat it forever Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- If anything makes you feel "jacked and wired" - at anytime of the day - that can be very harmful to the adrenals. VERY harmful. Adrenal support is not about stimulation, it's about gentle support.
(But, yes, Holy Basil - or Tulsi - is very calming and nourishing.)
By feeding the organs, they will heal. We cannot tell them to push or pull . . . adaptogens are brilliant food as when the body takes up nutrition, then the systems can better heal.
Rather than determine that we need to stimulate in the mornings, we may actually need to rest - if that is what our body needs at that time.
Our will can't drive it, the need of our body has to drive how we respond. Support it, and it will come around, just maybe not right on our time table. We do have to follow the "Lights Out" thing at night, but as for pushing during the morning, some bodies just can't do that without further stress. -
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I used to have SEVERE adrenal fatigue. I know the wired feeling you are talking about. What helped me the most aside from b-5 was complex carbohydrates and a tranquilizer like zanax or valium.
It would put me in a relaxed state so my adrenals would calm down and I could sleep. I know some might not agree with this, but it's what helped me.
I am a big proponent of holistic health, but sometimes pharmecuticals are needed. You also might want to try some SEA SALT because the adrenals need salt. Things like chamomile tea or anything that has a sedative effect can help also.
Gael
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Gale or other, any other recommendations on this? How long does it take to heal them?
I totally agree on the need for a Klonopin or other, otherwise there is no way on sleep sometimes.
I am doing high dose Vit C (5-8 grams), sea salt, rhodiola in AM, Seriphos in PM, and will probably start ashwaganda.
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