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Posted by Paul Mall (Member # 27581) on :
 
I am just 9 days in to antibiotic treatment

I have been drinking plenty of water

but I see lemon will help me detox?

I also searched lemon detox and found the diet they are using in hollywood:

2 Tablespoons Freshly Squeezed Lemon Juice
2 Tablespoons Maple Syrup Grade B
1/10th Teaspoon Cayenne Pepper
8 fl Oz's Pure Water

obviously I am not trying to loos wieght but will this combo work better than just lemon and water?

anyway thoughts. I want to start to do more than just water... also what should I take for liver support?

I am currently taking the antibiotics and pro-biotics with plenty of water. and want to up the effectiveness of everything and protect my system from the drugs

Paul
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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The above combination is a fade diet. Please avoid that.

A little organic fresh lemon juice in water, with a dash of sea salt can be good for you - if your stomach can handle it. If your stomach or esophagus is irritated, avoid lemon juice.

Even with lemon in water with a little sea salt you need much more specific liver support in the form of Milk Thistle, etc.

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3/4 of the way down page one, you'll see lots of LIVER SUPPORT LINKS. Specifically for LYME patients - lots of details about ears and what can help:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS

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http://www.lymepa.org/html/dr__j__burrascano_september_20_0.html

Burrascano's Powerpoint SLIDE presentation 9-20-08

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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Advanced Topics in Lyme Disease (Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages

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As important as any supplements, sections regarding self-care:

Go to page 27 for SUPPORTIVE THERAPY & the CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES

and also pages 31-32 for advice on a safe, non-aerobic exercise plan and physical rehabilitation.

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This is included in Burrascano's Guidelines, but you may want to be able to refer to it separately, too:

http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf

** Nutritional Supplements in Disseminated Lyme Disease **

J.J. Burrascano, Jr., MD (2008) - Four pages

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http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/LymeProtocolOct09.pdf�
A Treatment Guide: Lyme and other Chronic Infections - by DK

October 2009 - 87 pages

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http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/popups/PC1.html

Online Radio Interview with author in above link

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http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/Lymewhat_is_it_part_3,_LIA.pdf

LYME DISEASE Considerations in Diagnosis and Management

June 26, 2008 Lyme-Autism Connection Conference

125 pages - Powerpoint presentation

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By the same author as above, Chapter 1 from the book "Insights Into Lyme Disease Treatment"

http://www.lymebook.com/steven-harris

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http://www.amazon.com/Insights-Into-Lyme-Disease-Treatment/dp/0982513801/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272566632&sr=1-1

Insights Into Lyme Disease Treatment: 13 Lyme-Literate Health Care Practitioners Share Their Healing Strategies

Connie Strasheim (Author), Maureen Mcshane M.D. (Foreword), Thirteen Lyme-Literate Doctors (Contributor)

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It's very important to have this book as a reference tool for self-care and support measures. It answers so many questions in detail that is impossible here on the forum.

http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)

THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION (2008)- by KS

You can read more about it here and see customer reviews.

Web site: www.lymedoctor.com
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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You are taking Probiotics, too, right? Be sure to take away from both Rx and from herbal supplements.
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Posted by Paul Mall (Member # 27581) on :
 
yes I am taking theralac at bedtime away from antibiotics

I will add the lemon juice and water .. my stomach is pretty good so far

my next quetion would be if milk thistle helps protect the liver from toxins could this in anyway slow down it's process of getting rid of toxins?

I am wondering if I should only take the milk thistle if needed? so far my liver is ok

Paul
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Milk thistle HELPS your liver process out toxins. You need milk thistle if you are on any antibiotics (and many other meds and OTC products) can damage the liver.

No one's liver is "okay" if they have lyme. Lyme is very toxic. The liver needs help. It's good that basic tests may be fine but there is much basic tests can't show. Support is necessary at all times. The kind of support may just need to vary from time to time.

Please see the liver links in the tinnitus thread.

If you are on mepron, ask your LLMD for other suggestions or timing of liver support as it can move the medicine through too fast.
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Posted by steven (Member # 13101) on :
 
is there any scientific proof that lemonwater helps to detox? or is it just a myth? studies please!
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Milk Thistle is the most well researched liver support.

One way that lemon can help the the liver is in the metabolism of oils. One of the links above discusses more aspects of lemon water. While it has some benefit, personally, I would never rely on that alone and I see it more as a nourishing food.

I think this link goes into some detail about it. If someone else has medically minded lemon links, though, please post. This may not be the one (and I'm too tired to scout it out):
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http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/LymeProtocolOct09.pdf

A Treatment Guide: Lyme and other Chronic Infections - by DK
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

PubMed Search for medical abstracts:

liver, lemon - 387 abstracts

Of those, a few key articles:

#12: Hepatoprotective effects of flavonoids from shekwasha (Citrus depressa) against D-galactosamine-induced liver injury in rats.

Akachi T, Shiina Y, Ohishi Y, Kawaguchi T, Kawagishi H, Morita T, Mori M, Sugiyama K.

J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 2010;56(1):60-7.
PMID: 20354348 [PubMed - in process]Free Article

#25: Efficacy of the potential chemopreventive agent, hesperetin (citrus flavanone), on 1,2-dimethylhydrazine induced colon carcinogenesis.

Aranganathan S, Nalini N.
Food Chem

#29: Modulatory efficacy of hesperetin (citrus flavanone) on xenobiotic-metabolizing enzymes during 1,2-dimethylhydrazine-induced colon carcinogenesis.

Aranganathan S, Selvam JP, Sangeetha N, Nalini N.
Chem Biol Inter

#30: Limonin methoxylation influences the induction of glutathione S-transferase and quinone reductase.

Perez JL, Jayaprakasha GK, Valdivia V, Munoz D, Dandekar DV, Ahmad H, Patil BS.
J Agric Food Chem. 2009 Jun 24;57(12):5279-86.
PMID: 19480426

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New Search from same PubMed link above:

Liver, Limonin - 6 abstracts
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Posted by 0ldman (Member # 22101) on :
 
I've got no links, but I've got experience.

Doc recommended one lemon and one lime in 8oz of water 3x daily.

I can't stomach that, however, one lemon in water 3x daily helps.

Timing is almost as important as anything else. If I drink the lemon first thing in the morning, I feel better overall. If I drink it an hour or two after I get up the results are not as good.
 
Posted by LightAtTheEnd (Member # 24065) on :
 
I put liquid stevia in my lemonade, and it tastes good. I would not use maple syrup because that could encourage candida.

I like to use a 12-ounce can of sparkling water for every lemon or lime so it's more festive and feels like I'm drinking soda (which I miss).
 


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