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Posted by Knowledge is power (Member # 35020) on :
 
Spent Saturday night-Sunday Morning in E.R. And daughter was diagnosed with a Gall stone.

Don't want to have them take Gall Bladder.

Has anybody had this problem and do you have any insight/ advice?

Thank you in advance!
 
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
 
Is she on IV meds for lyme?

If so, is she also on Actigal?

"PARENTERAL THERAPY

Ceftriaxone- Risk of biliary sludging (therefore often Actigall is co-administered- one to three tablets daily).

Adults and pregnancy: 2g q12 h, 4 days in a row each week." (page 18)

http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf
 
Posted by ktkdommer (Member # 29020) on :
 
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Can Actigall clear up sludge if it there in the first place?

Are there any treatments for a sludgy gallbladder?

Is there a procedure that opens up the gallbladder or something like it that could be tried first?

K is P has not had IV meds. She is recently diagnosed.
 
Posted by Rumigirl (Member # 15091) on :
 
You can get rid of the sludge with 3 Actigall per day and Liver/Gallbladder Flushes with magnesium. The Liver/Gallbladder Flushes will also get rid of gallstones---but it must be with ample magnesium.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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"Any treatments for a sludgy gallbladder?"

Acupuncture;

Certain individualized herbal formulas.

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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/diseases/gallstones.html

Guidelines for Prevention and Treatment of Gallstones (Tillotson, et.al.)

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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/diseases/special-diets-for-illness.html

SPECIAL DIETS FOR ILLNESS

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc.

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees . . . .

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You might ask such a doctor about:
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http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca-capsules.htm

Rain-Tree CHANCA PIEDRA capsules

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http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca-piedra-extract.htm

Glycerine based extract

Bulk, raw herb used for tea, also available by the pound.

Be sure to click onto their "Tropical Plant Database" page for this herb to learn more about its properties and history. Solid third-party research citations.

The book is also excellent.

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http://www.herb-pharm.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=242

Herb Pharm - STONE BREAKER Compound tincture

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http://www.tropilab.com/amarustea.html

Chanca piedra

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http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/phyllanthus-niruri

Phyllanthus Niruri (aka: Chanca Piedra)

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=phyllanthus%20nirurii

PubMed Search of Medical abstracts:

phyllanthus nirurii - 618 abstracts

phyllanthus nirurii, urinary � 32 abstracts
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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You might also ask a LL herbalist about RHUBARB

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From: The ONE EARTH HERBAL SOURCEBOOK (Tilltoson, et.al.)

http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/important-herbs/rhubarb-root-rheum-palmatum.html

RHUBARB ROOT (Rheum palmatum)

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http://www.acuatlanta.net/seven-forests-rhubarb-17-100-tablets-p-17615.html?mclick=brand

Seven Forests Rhubarb 17 (100 tablets, also comes in 250 count)

You can read more about this in the book: Bag of Pearls from www.itmonline.org

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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/herbintro.htm

AN INTRODUCTION TO CHINESE HERBS

-by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D.

Excerpt:

(section on) RHUBARB (dahuang)

This large root was one of the first herbs that the Western world imported from China.

It serves as a very reliable laxative, and also has other benefits: enhancing appetite when taken before meals in small amounts, promoting blood circulation and relieving pain in cases of injury or inflammation, and inhibiting intestinal infections.

Rhubarb also reduces autoimmune reactions.

The impact of rhubarb is influenced by how it is prepared; if it is cooked for a long period of time, the laxative actions are reduced but other actions are retained. Typical dosage is 0.5-3 grams per day.

Caution: rhubarb, alone or in formulas, should not be used by those with irritable bowel conditions, as it may cause cramping and diarrhea. . . .
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Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
 
I was told that you can switch to Claforan and avoid all the biliary sludging. Only problem is that Claforan has to be infused twice a day due to it's half life vs rocephin. It is an alternative and my doctor uses it for just this kind of problem.
 
Posted by ktkdommer (Member # 29020) on :
 
Thanks everyone. I am going to email Knowlege... with your replies. I hope her daughter is OK.
 
Posted by Knowledge is power (Member # 35020) on :
 
Thanks everyone for all the feedback, it sure helps to get peoples experiences and ideas!
 
Posted by aperture (Member # 34822) on :
 
If the gallbladder needs to come out, it's not the end of the world.

I had gallstones for years. I had mine taken out last year and now my digestive system actually works more efficiently. I had an easy recovery because I didn't wait til it was an emergency.

However, do everything possible to save that organ...it does serve a purpose.

Hope your daughter feels better soon.
 
Posted by lymeinhell (Member # 4622) on :
 
Milk thistle not only protects your liver, it helps it dump bile, which then desludges your liver. It's the only reason I still have my GB. I've stayed on milk thistle for years since I went off antibiotics 7+ years ago. But if I skip my milk thistle (twice a day), I would be in agony. Bad GB's run in my family, and I'm sure mine was a mess before antibiotics.

BUT, I don't have any stone currently, and there are warnings against using it if you already have stones.

http://www.skyeherbals.com/materia_medica/milk_thistle.php
 
Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
 
My daughter's gallbladder issues are getting more frequent. Never tried actigall though. Is it worth trying?
 


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