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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but this is far too important not to get out into the community. Under so-called "free trade" treaties our nations laws are supplanted by international law. Nations must acquiese to these international laws or face stiff fines and trade embargoes.
In December 2009 the World Trade Organization will be implementing CODEX which will essentially ban vitamins and supplements. You heard me correctly.
In light of the new IDSA guidelines this should help clear up a lot of confusion as to why they don't want you treated. Please pass this on to your groups, e-mail friends and other support boards you frequent. God help us all.
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I have read quite a bit about CODEX and as far as I know it must be voted on in Congress before it would apply to the US. Not saying that that won't happen. There are lots of organizations currently trying to stop this from happening.
You may not be aware, but there are more and more nutritional supplements being marketed as prescription drugs. A recent issue of Life Extension magazine mentions a new fish oil prescription which costs about 10 times what you would pay in a health food store.
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Bea, the WTO has already been approved by Congress. Codex is already being implemented but it's finality is scheduled for Dec. 31, 2009.
On that date you must comply with CODEX or start receiving trade sanctions. That's why there's numerous bills pending right now to ban supps/vitamins in Congress, it brings us in full compliance with the mandate. No loose ends so to speak.
Of course the FDA has an all out assault going against the naturopath industry already.
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gosh Mike, 2nd week of bad news, but thanks for the HEADS-UP! Bettyg
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"In light of the new IDSA guidelines this should help clear up a lot of confusion as to why they don't want you treated. Please pass this on to your groups, e-mail friends and other support boards you frequent. God help us all."
I'm not sure I quite follow your argument... what do you make of all this? I'm not being contrary, just confused.... what are you thinking here?
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I don't have the computer capability to watch a 40-minute video -
Can anyone point me to some printed Internet info on this? I'm confused about all of the implications of this, too.
Does this mean NO importation of herbs and supps beginning 2010? We need more info here.
And like Minimonkey, I don't get the connection with the IDSA either.....
Tracy
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Legally...the pharmaceutical companies cannot market/sell vitamins and minerals and amino acids...
So...they "alter" them slightly to get around this. This typically screws it up.
Read very carefully what Nexium IS.
Money. It's all about money. Not our health OR our rights.
And...if you do NOT think the pharm. countries (misspelling intentional - not companies) are already involved in our food chain either...
I've got news for you. They are buying up farms and have gone into other foreign countries to buy up valuable "forests" too.
All drugs come from "Mother Nature".
We are the most "drugged" nation in the world and are one of the sickest.
Think about it.
Money IS the "root of all evil".
Here's another example:
Companies know that hydrogenated fats are bad for us. This is fat that ALREADY is "filled up" with hydrogen.
BUT...by adding hydrogen to oils = longer shelf life. Less $$$ lost.
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This is critical to everyone here and our families.
The video is excellent in expalining what has gone on and why, this doctor gave up her practice to help spread the word on what is really happening with CODEX.
if you can't watch the video above, and even if you can ..
They have made it VERY easy to sign a petition and click off emails very simply -- on several bills in congress backing denial of access to herbs and minerals.
It's very important that we all act now.
This has been headed our way via the government (both democratic and republican!) for over a decade -- with very little public awareness.
this one's all about Big Pharma, and Big Medica money interests, and puts our health at risk by making nutrients ILLEGAL by 2009, and creating a mandate for chemical ladden and GMO foods. (Big Agra)..despite the health awareness movement which has benefitted billions of people in this country.
What is this, the third Riech? Do not allow the goverment to control what goes in your body.
Join this easy activism site and pass it around!
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quote:All drugs come from "Mother Nature".
Wrong. Drugs are now ``synthetic''. None of us could even afford aspirin if it was still extracted from White Willow Bark. We get the ``chemical equivalent''.
quote:Money IS the "root of all evil".
No, it isn't. ``The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.''
Money is just a convenience so that you don't have to pay your LLMD with live chickens.
Tracy
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And it's the same reason why there's really no government support for real Lyme research nor any support for the "chronic" status of Lyme disease nor any support for long-term treatments of Lyme disease....
...and why is there no support for all these things???
Cause "they" are afraid it'll cure us!!!
And once cured, we're no longer a golden goose to the drug industry.
Some thing with cancer, really.
Cancer is the single most profitable disease in the world...
In fact, the longer you have cancer, the money you'll make for the drug industry.
The last thing they are interested in is to cure your cancer.
...and same thing with MS, ALS, Alzheimers, etc.
Michael
-------------------- I'm not an MD. The above is IMO and in my experience as well as from health related books.
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make congress work for the people. the one thing more powerful than big business money interests, is our legislator's interests in staying in office.
many of them are aleep on this issue.
wake them up!! each email and letter holds allot of weight, because they assume there are thousands of others who share your view each time you write.
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This is no longer a free society it is control by elitetists and they are controlled by evil
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This is toooo much
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Are you a Health Care Professional or a Health Care Consumer? If so, Codex Alimentarius is a looming threat to your health and health freedom. If you care about natural health care, you need to know about Codex Alimentarius.
My name is Rima E. Laibow. I am a Medical Doctor who has been in private practice since the 1970s. I work in partnership with my husband, General Albert N. Stubblebine III (U.S. Army Retired).
Let me tell you about Codex Alimentarius, and why my husband and I chose to close our practice at the end of 2004 and dedicate our full time to averting it.
When I graduated from Albert Einstein Medical College in 1970, I knew that I would only practice medicine that would help my patients to truly heal.
I've successfully helped countless people suffering from a wide variety of chronic disease to regain their health. And I've done so almost exclusively without the use of drugs or surgery. So I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the body heals best through natural treatment.
Each day, both you and I are bombarded with so much information that it's difficult to know what to read and what to throw out, let alone what to believe. Even though the information I will share with you in a minute is shocking, I am asking you to sit down and take the time to read it right now. Why?
Because your health and freedom as an American absolutely depends on understanding what Codex Alimentarius is, why it is not what you've been told it is, what it would do to the health of people and the environment, and how you can join the effort to avert it.
What is "health freedom"? Health freedom means the freedom to choose your own health products, treatments, and practitioners. No one, government or corporation, should dictate or limit these choices.
Health freedom means access to supplements (vitamins, minerals, amino acids, etc.), herbs, homeopathic remedies, nutritional medicine and clean food (untainted by pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics), without corporations (through the use of government coercion) dictating to you what dosages and treatments you are allowed to use.
It is your health and it should rest in your hands, with the cooperation of a health care professional who is open to effective methods of healing.
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Part 2. Take Action Now to Help Protect Health Freedom "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
- Margaret Mead
1. Sign the Citizen's Petition Now. The most important thing you can do right now is to read and sign the Citizen's Petition!
We invite you to join the other Americans who treasure their ability to make decisions about their health for themselves and become part of the health freedom movement to preserve that right. Unfortunately, sitting idly by will not help us win.
But the passion, devotion, creativity and participation of every single person who joins us is absolutely essential to our success. You matter and your voice really does count.
If enough Americans take the steps below then the sum of our actions will raise a roar for health freedom across the nation. It's simple, really: do what you know is right and there will be an army of us doing what we all know is right.
2. Tell Congress to do their job right! Send letters to Congress online.
3. Order the Codex DVD. Click here to order the most informative DVD available on Codex and how to stop it. Take advantage of the special activist's price and send copies of this important Codex DVD to your Congressional delegates.
4. Protect your health freedom. Support the Natural Solutions Foundation. fund, the innovative and exciting "Dispose of Unwanted Merchandise Program.
5. Join our mailing list. We'll keep you informed on our activities and late-breaking news related to Codex Alimentarius with our regular newsletter. We'll never ever ever sell our mailing list to anyone, and your information will be kept strictly confidential. Use the subscription form at right to subscribe. Click to see examples of our newsletter.
6. Educate your local health food store owner s. Print this flyer (pdf) using your browser's Print feature and give the printout to your local health food store owner(s). This flyer is one page long and describes the harm Codex will cause to organic standards.
7. Contact your local media. Write letters to editors in your local media - refer to our 5 minute Codex tour for information to write your letter.
8. Contact the companies that make your favorite natural health products. If you use natural health products, phone the number on the side of the product packaging and ask to speak with the president of the company tell him/her about Codex Alimentarius and direct him/her to HealthFreedomUSA.org.
9. Meet like-minded people. Get together with other health freedom activists in your city. Get together for social activities that are informational and also promote health freedom. More info.
10. Talk about health freedom and Codex. Start or join in a discussion forum about health freedom and Codex Alimentarius on Yahoo! Groups and Google Groups. Tell your friends about Codex. If you maintain an online journal or web log, publish about Codex Alimentarius and link to this website.
11. Tell your health care professionals about Codex Alimentarius.
Ask them to visit HealthFreedomUSA.org - take this handout with you to make it easier to explain Codex quickly and easily.
12. Ask your organization to endorse our version of the Codex Vitamin and Mineral Guideline. If you're involved with a group, consider getting them to endorse our version of the Codex VMG {see it here it's a part of the Citizen's Petition.}Citizen's Petition Our version of the VMG effectively defangs the original harmful Codex VMG. These groups have already endorsed it:
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine The National Association of Nutrition Professionals BioRenew The Freedom Club Here's an example of a resolution the NANP passed in support of our VMG: click here to see it (Adobe PDF).
13. Become a health freedom organizer in your community. If you've read this far down the page then maybe you're fired up enough and interested enough to be the health freedom point person in your community. Find out more. This part is from here:
Which Laws Are We Reminding the U.S. Government Of? These are the American laws which a pro-Codex Alimentarius stance violates:
The Dietary Supplement Heath and Education Act (1994) was passed by unanimous consent of Congress. It classifies nutritional supplements and herbs as foods. That means they cannot have any upper limits set on their use whatsoever. Codex Alimentarius Vitamin and Mineral Guideline does set upper limits on the use of nutritional supplements, by classifying nutrients as toxins. U.S. law {Title 19, USC 3512} prevents our government from "harmonizing" with any International Standard which violates U.S. law {Codex Alimentarius Vitamin and Mineral Guideline would violate DSHEA}. The FDA Modernization Act of 1997 prohibits the harmonization of nutritional supplements with any international standard.
You Can Join Petition Now New co-petitioners can join Natural Health Solutions Citizen's Petition at any time by clicking here.ADD NAME TO PETION
More than 1200 Americans have joined in the Citizen's Petition. Please join in, too, and let the U.S. Codex Office know that you oppose losing your health and health freedoms. This is a simple, practical, and effective step you can take to do something about the Codex Alimentarius problem. ADD NAME TO PETION
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CODEX FOR THOSE OF US WITH SHORT/NO ATTENTION SPANS:
(condensed and reformatted and excerpted from an an insider's account of the Codex process)
1. WHAT IS CODEX?
Are Codex guidelines/standards optional, or are they mandatory?
Mandatory.
Countries that don't follow the standards can be subject to WTO fines and other forms of international pressure.
"...in 1997...the realization dawned on Codex delegates that they had entered into a new era of food law harmoninzation. Too late to cry now was the essence of the message delivered to them by the counsel from WTO."
2. WHOSE INTEREST DOES CODEX SERVE?
"Codex delegates start with decisions by industry. That's the way things are done now. Why run around from country to country seeking the regulations you want when you can do it all in one shot at Codex?"
"It works like this: big business and bureaucrats get together and agree on how to write new international regulations in private meetings. When they agree, their agreements then surface as working projects, draft guidelines, or proposals at Codex."
3. CODEX AND SUPPLEMENTS -WHAT"s THE HISTORY?
"...a series of meetings were held by business and bureaucrats who agreed on some issues, went forward on those at Codex, and then agreed on others now contained in the draft guideline on vitamin and mineral supplements now at Step 8.
LOOK AT HOW THE LAW IS WRITTEN--
Article 1 of the Statutes of the Codex Alimentarius Commission:
the purpose is - "(b) promoting the coordination of all food standards work undertaken by
international governmental and non governmental organizations
How that is translated in DC and other world capitals where legislators are owned by special interests is:
Industrial lobbying groups write the policies that serve their interests, legislators provide a fig leaf of legitimacy, and what is resulting is BINDING legal agreements fed through Codex, an international governmental entity.
4. HOW IS Codex DIFFERENT THAT BUSINESS AS USUAL IN DC?
"Because decisions are made by bureaucrats and the actions are offshore. With a truly domestic piece of legislation you have a chance of overcoming industrial pressure with grassroots pressure on the people you elected.
With an international guideline, by the time it's done you have almost no chance to win. You can't bring pressure to bear in all the right places. The real damage was done long ago and long before you felt it."
5. IS THERE REASON TO BE WORRIED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO OBTAIN SUPPLEMENTS IN THE FUTURE?
The threat is very real. But it is NOT too late to take action.
Dilly
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Yes...the love of money is the root of all evil.
But...ultimately even "synthetic" drugs come from nature - from the periodic table of the elements found on earth.
C9H8O4 ...aspirin.
Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen. 3 of the most important elements in the periodic table.
C6H12O6...glucose.
C2H6O...ethanol/alcohol
It is not nec. the number of molecules, but also more importantly, the structure...how they are arranged (3 dimensionally) that determines if they will work or not.
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Congress is not going to ban supplements/vitamins, nor will they allow the US to be forced to follow a ban.
When Congress passed the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, the vote passed the Senate by 100 to 0. DSHEA was a huge victory by the supplement industry and significantly reduced the FDA's ability to regulate the industry.
The campaign around DSHEA had the most letters written to Congress for any bill ever. And those letters were for Congress to "protect" people's supplements.
Congress just ain't going to be taking supplements away.
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Let's not take this anymore!
Go to this site, read, act, and pass along to others.
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I wish that were true, Aniek.
While DSHEA protects us now, there are some bought-and-paid-for congressional representative who have introduced bills that go directly against DSHEA.
Go here, and at least log on your opposition to some of these bills. And check out other bills to see who sponsored them - make sure none of those idiots are from your state! http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/action/step2.shtml
Tracy
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Tracy,
Those bills don't move. Just because a bill is introduced, it doesn't mean it has any chance of becoming law.
I also think DSHEA should be reformed. It gives way too much freedom to the supplement industry. At a minimum, I believe a dietary supplement should be proven safe before it goes on market.
I also think there needs to be more teeth in the law to go after the bad players who repeatedly break the law. That would be better for the responsible supplement companies and for the consumers.
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quote:Originally posted by Aniek: At a minimum, I believe a dietary supplement should be proven safe before it goes on market.
Why don't they first make sure DRUGS are SAFE? Do you know how many people die each year from unsafe DRUGS?! It's way over 150,000!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: Why don't they first make sure DRUGS are SAFE? Do you know how many people die each year from unsafe DRUGS?! It's way over 150,000!!!
Why should it be one or the other? I think both systems need reform.
You can reform the DSHEA so that it does not put too large a burden on responsible manufacturers and marketers, but protects consumers and forces bad players out of the industry. Why wouldn't we want that?
I'm not saying eliminate DSHEA. I'm not saying regulate supplements like drugs. I'm not saying supplements are bad.
I'm saying I would like to be confident that the supplements I take are safe and I would like to be aware of the potential side effects.
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Codex is already in effect in most of Europe. I have "talked" to posters in other countries on an alternative health forum I go to about how this affects them.
Posters from the UK tell me there is a short list of supps. they can buy there now, and the dosage is strictly contolled, and very low. The rest are simply not available, so they have been forced to order them from us over here in the US, and pay a huge VAT tax when the supps. go through customs.
One poster from Norway told me she now has to get a prescription to buy vitamin E, at 4 times the price she used to pay. She is also limited to a tiny dosage, too small to do any good.
The main argument I have heard against Codex being implemented here in the U.S. is that most supplement manufacturers here are owned by Big Pharma, and Big Pharma is too powerful to allow Codex to ruin their lucrative business. After all, most supplements are just as synthetic as drugs, so this ownership should not surprise anyone.
I don't think I buy that argument. Big Pharma can make a lot more from their supplements, by having them available by prescription only at 4 times the price. On the other hand, many current supplement buyers don't and won't go to doctors to get prescriptions, so they would lose business from that group.
I have also been told that the passage of CAFTA made implementation of Codex in the U.S. a virtual certainty, but I don't understand why this is so. Anyone?
I don't know what to think, except that I know from my own experience with 21 yrs. of this illness, that without some of my supplements, I will die, and I can barely afford them now.
I use Samento as my main Lyme treatment. When the Codex brouhaha began, I contacted the manufacturer, fearing I would lose my Samento. They told me they were taking it seriously, and had set up operations in other countries not belonging to the WTO. It might cost more to have it shipped from offshore, but I could still get my herbs.
On the other hand, when I called the online company I buy most of my supplements from, they said they had never heard of Codex!
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Kutzo-
That is really sobering info, but really important to hear.
It is all the more sobering because you are talking about Europe. As a whole, the people over there are FAR more savvy and involved about food politics than we are here in the US.
I wonder what fight groups put up over there? And what can be learned-quickly- so the same mistakes are not made here...
I think the larger picture that is difficult to see for many many reasons connects a lot of dots.
What is happening with the ISDA and the CDC and supplements, and so much more involving the rationing of medicinal tx for many more diseases than just lyme, is IMO, little different than the takeover of so many other areas of public well- being by those motivated solely by profit.
Perhaps the lyme community would be best served by building bridges to advocacy groups for OTHER chronically ill persons- and beyond. The more the better.
Dilly
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Here is information that might be useful for those on many supplements like myself.
For those who haven't read it, "The Maker's Diet" is a book written by a N.D. who himself was very sick with Crohn's (sp?) disease and was cured by eating according to the way God instructed the Israelites to eat.
His father was a N.D. as well and even so, he managed to get this very serious digestive condition.
His statement on supplements is that they are mostly "overpromised and underdelivered" and that we should eat so as to obtain most of our nutrients by way of our food.
Unless the government begins to restrict our food, we still have that option available to us.
I am just starting The Maker's Diet so I can't give any personal testiment to it. The foods allowed though seem plentiful and with lots of meats for the guys.
I'm going to try this diet in hopes I can back off some of the considerable amount of supps my doctor has me on (and which are helping me immensely).
I just wanted to pass it on.
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I'd never heard of CODEX; interesting posts you all have contributed here! thanks for enlightening me! Bettyg
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What the IDSA does or says is childs play compared to this topic. It's as simple as this. If defeated, we may someday live in freedom. If not, we will continue to live under corporate tyranny.
For those who think we live in free country where's the mass media debate on this very important topic? This is just one among many other crucial issues currently censored in america.
"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the U.S.A., writer of Declaration of Independence, American statesman
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We don't need another layer of bureaucracy...we're real overregulated as a society already.
Waay too much government...one would hope we'd just defy supervision we don't want.
and if we have nobody to sue if something goes wrong...too bad.
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quote:Originally posted by brentb: "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the U.S.A., writer of Declaration of Independence, American statesman
Absolutely!
As for the fluoride issue, I understand alot of companies who sell bottled water are putting fluoride in it!
Anybody know if this has to be listed on the bottle?? I certainly hope so, as I'm allergic to some forms of fluoride. And it's NOT GOOD to be ingesting large amounts which have been artificially added to water.
Just one more opportunity to unload chemcial byproducts on us!!!
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CODEX is am enourmous threat to vitamins, minerals, herbs AND food.
that's right, food too.
as far as congress 'never letting this happen'.. all i can say is ...research. it's happening. the only thing that could stop it is public outcry (which was the catalyst for DSHEA's formation in the first place...congress responded to the PUBLIC then, and they will only reverse CODEX and stop the progression of these bills if they hear from us again NOW)
many congressional representatives are as uneducated as we americans are on this issue. if they KNEW the deal with all of this, many probably would stop it. that's why they need to hear from constituents.
these bills are poised to slip on by one by one, each looking rather benign -- you have to look at the bigger picture here. what will the effect be OVER TIME -- and we have to be sure the US never becomes 'codex compliant' -- which, as of now, is MANDATORY by 2009.
why do you suppose the FDA is stopping all imports of food and herbs at the border, classifying it, has set up an elaborate, expensive, and detailed system of tracking .. ect, ect, ect. this is vary bad news.
if we don't act now, it will be something that sneaks up on our society as it has oversees, much like many other restrictions to freedom have over the past several years. you'll have to 'grow your own' food and herbs illegally - as all that will be available on the market will be chemical ladden GMO foods and expensive, generic, dose regulated vitamins. (sold by MERK, PHIZER, and BAYER)
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Cave aka little meek voice--
Germany and Norway were the first countries to get codex-ed, so to speak, so maybe? I woudl htink European Union would be the governing entitity giving away the store, though, not individaul countries.
Still want that monograph hunted down?
--- to anyone interested in seeing how Codex implemeted would look here, check out this list of topics about codex from a trade industy pub in Europe: europe.
NUTRACEUTICALS ANYONE??
2006 Healthy Foods European Summit 31 October - 1 November 2006, London
Innovation & Regulation, Consumer Communications, Health Trends, Policy and the Future for the Food & Beverage Industry. The Healthy Foods European Summit is organised by New Hope Natural Media Europe and co-produced by Functional Foods & Nutraceuticals.
List of dossiers submitted for derogations under art. 4 of the Food Supplement Directive 2002/46/EC, last update 11/09/2006 PDF
Compromise on the Proposal for a Regulation on nutrition and health claims, as agreed between Parliament and Council, 1 September 2006 PDF
Discussion Paper on the setting of maximum and minimum amounts for vitamins and minerals in foodstuffs, June 2006 PDF
Council Common Position on the proposal for a Regulation on food fortification, December 2005 PDF
Regulation (EC) N�2073/2005 on microbiological criteria for foodstuffs, November 2005 PDF
ECJ confirms the validity of the EU Food Supplement Directive, July 2005 PDF
Commission Directive 2005/26/EC establishing a list of exemptions (allergens) to the Labelling Directive, March 2005 PDF
Proposal for the sixth revision of the miscellaneous additives Directive, October 2004 PDF
Regulation (EC) N�852/2004 on the hygiene of foodstuffs, April 2004 PDF
Commission Regulation on detailed rules for genetically modified food and feed, April 2004 PDF
------------------------ features of Codex Alimentaris are:
* No supplements can be sold for preventative or therapeutic use. * Any potency higher than RDA levels (pathetically low) is a drug that requires a prescription and must be produced by drug companies.
* Codex regulations are binding internationally
* New supplements are banned unless given Codex testing and approval (certain to expensive and lacking in scientific merit).
Norway and Germany are already operating under the new Codex regulations. The price of zinc tablets has gone from $4 to $52. Echinacea has risen from $14 to $153. * Codex regulations are not based on science or research findings. These regulations were developed by 11 appointed persons.
For several years, the Doctor Yourself Newsletter has discussed a United Nations effort to restrict dietary supplements. This scheme is known as CODEX.
Though there are those who will reassure you that what happens to the rest of the world will not affect Americans, they are gravely mistaken.
More to the point, even if that were true (which it is not), how can we accept injustice for all of the people of world except those lucky enough to live in the United States?
ALL people, everywhere, need vitamin supplements. In fact, the poorest folks need them even more than we do.
Disease, not war, is the single largest killer on Earth. Optimum nutrition strengthens bodies. Supplements are the answer, not the problem.
Yet, in Europe, food supplements are being banned as you read this. In Britain, they are going to be gone this year (2005) unless a costly court battle can stop what is known as the "European Union Food Supplement Directive." The EU is the most influential political power block in the CODEX scheme. Any World War II veteran can tell you that if we lose Europe to tyranny, the USA is not safe for long.
The world's people, like you, do not want their vitamins taken away from them. But make no mistake about it: that is in fact happening. The goal of the pharmaceutically-driven CODEX-EU Food Supplements Directive is to take over the medical world. That means you. --- footnote: THAT COURT BATTLE WAS LOST, FOLKS.
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Cave, SO sorry it took me so long to see your question. I have Lyme brain, and this forum does not notify a person when a thread they've posted on has more posts (the only forum I go to that does not).
I have to remmeber to come back and check everything, which I seldom do (remember). If there ever was a forum that should notify posters, it is this one, since so many of us have brain problems!
No, The German Commission E Monographs are a masterpiece on herbalism. They are an extensive literature, and very expensive. The Germans are way ahead of us in their use and understanding of herbs, and the monographs are an "all you ever wanted to know about herbs" sort of thing. They are about as far from Codex as you can get.
Codex is a world wide law from the World Trade Organization, binding to all of it's members, including the USA. It is a done deal, and the only reason it's not here, is that the deadline for the USA to conform or face sanctions has not yet arrived....
In accordance, you are now seeing articles that are anti-supplement being planted in the press here with more and more frequency. Poorly done studies debunking vitamins, like the one that used only low dose, synthetic vitamin E are a perfect example. This is to mentally prepare the public to have supplements taken away, regulated and prescribed.
IMO, and I am not alone, it is part of the effort on the part of powers behind the scenes, to create a One World Government. Codex is one thing to move us in that direction.
Power and profit are major motives. These One Worlders often believe there are far too many people on planet earth, and making a profit while having a major die-off sounds just delightful to them.
Sometimes they really ARE out to get you!
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there is still time and possibility to swarm congress with opposition to codex compliance, to track and object to these bills coming through - and to make people AWARE.
you think what's happening in Lyme is bad (and it sure as h@ll is ) but this will cause immense suffering and death. government control of what, exactly, we put in our bodies is as bad as it gets, in my view. imagine the day you have to grow your own artemisinin.. illegally.
there is time to back NEW bills which protect DSHEA. there is time to push NON-compliance with CODEX. after the US actually becomes compliant - then we can forget having a chance to get access to herbs and good food back.
my local health food/herbs store had NOT EVEN HEARD of this news.
that is how they will get away with it. complaciancy. americans sitting around yawning and shrugging.
much of the problem is folks are not learning about it, don't know it's happening, or don't think they have to do anything.
first thing, get it to all your local healthfood stores and alternative care clinics, have them post it, get it to college campuses. the younger generation will act.
take it back. congress responds to mass communication because they want most of all to keep their butts in their seats.
this is OUR health freedom at stake.
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quote:Originally posted by NP40:-11 God help us all.
"God help us all" (search) is how I found this thread. IMO very appropriate. With elections around the bend I think we need to understand who is on whose side. certain issues imo give us insight.
The key is finding issues which clearly define "us" and "them". We cannot vote on CODEX issues because our representatives have not heard of it. (do you really believe that?) However, we can vote on other issues such as what 9-11 and Iraq is all about. see thread.
I just watched it tonight but it confirms everything I came to suspect. During election time please keep this in mind and vote according to your conscious and make sure the ballots are fraud proof (so many are not)
In the words of NP40...God help us all.
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It may be too late already. Not long ago the American people would pitch a royal fit about something like this.
Now all they seem to care about is the latest Anna Nicole Smith drama, or who's on American Idol.
Have the 'keets already eaten up their brains?
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CAVE, Sorry I did not see your question before. The German Commission E Monographs are about as far from Codex as you can get!
The monographs are probably the most thorough set of publications of actual studies of herbs and their effectiveness, side-efects, uses, interactions, etc. in existance.
The Germans are way ahead of us in their use of and knowledge about using herbs, yet they still let Codex happen in their country.
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The FDA wants to make,"sour cherry juice", a 'controlled substance!
For crying out loud....
They couldn't fool everyone into buying all he marketing crap so now they are trying to 'regulate' natural remedies......foods...What else? Air? Water? Space?
Have they done that already?
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I googled CODEX and came up with their website and their description of what they are about. The FAO is the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, and WHO is the UN's World Health Orginization. Not quite as evil as I had been lead to think. What's the deal in Germany, do they now have to get a doctor's script for vitamins and supplements? Another consideration is that many people have posted saying the Germans are way ahead of us in intergrating alternative and conventional therapies, so are the consequences of Codex all bad?
"The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by FAO and WHO to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme. The main purposes of this Programme are protecting health of the consumers and ensuring fair trade practices in the food trade, and promoting coordination of all food standards work undertaken by international governmental and non-governmental organizations."
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Oops! Sorry.
Got off-tracted!
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So what's the deal with Congress? Do they vote on this or not at this point? Is it going to be a matter of everyone contacting their reps to say back off on this? I don't see how the American public is going to stand for any restrictions on their chosen supplements.
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So far, existing U.S. legislation has thwarted the CODEX agenda.
But what is worse, now individual STATES are trying to enact laws at the state level that will change the way herbs and supplements can be marketed.
I've bumped up my recent thread about the bills in New York State.
It's hard to believe this is happening, but true.
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You have to understand that CODEX is already law. It was buried in the numerous trade deals our legislators have previously passed. However, it's implementation is scheduled for 2009 in the USA.
In Europe you now need a doctor's prescription for vitamins/supps. NY state is proposing legislation to regulate it, the FDA is taking steps to criminalize supps/vitamins w/o doctor approval, India has banned alternative practices like acupuncture.
Australia attempted to pass it and failed. This is a worldwide effort to ensure that folks cannot get supp/vitamins in adequate amounts to do any good. Some countries are criminalizing herbs with harsh sentences.
it's more than just Big?Pharma eliminating competition. Big/Pharma had already purchased many supp/vitamin companies. The powers that be want to decide worldwide who receives health care and who doesn't. It's population control at it's most cynical.
It's essentially a return to feudalism, the vast unwashed serfs being lorded over by a handful of nobles. Doesn't matter if you find it conspiratorial or a matter of corporate inertia, the result is the same.
The richest 300,000 people in the world have more combined wealth than the bottom 3 Billion. Yes, with a "B". Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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I read the CODEX info at Dr Laibow's site tonite, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org. She's got a petition against it that everyone should sign! Simple to do, and important!
Question about what is law: my initial understanding, after reading what Dr. Laibow has to say, is that so far we are protected by the federal DSHEA law(Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act) passed in 1994. She doesn't say that international law trumps the national law. Anyone else have legal info about which law trumps which?
So question: being that we have that law as federal law now, wouldn't it trump any state law?
We have a huge natural health fair coming up in a few weeks here -- it'll be interesting to see the organizing that'll be going on around this...
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NP40, I can find nothing about acupuncture or other alternative practices being banned in India. India has about 100,000 homeopaths and because the country is so poor, people can buy most drugs over the counter, like anti-depressants and drugs we here in the U.S. would need a prescription for. I see this type of information posted by practitioners who live in India and that's what I'm going by.
Other than that, I'm with you 100% on what you said.
Also, please note that the FDA comment line has been severed - DISCONNECTED. I just got an e-mail notice about it. The folks at Health Freedom/ Natural Solutions are trying to get the line back up, but if anyone runs into a problem, there should be a ``Plan B'' posted at the Health Freedom website.
Or, if the comment line doesn't work, send an email to [email protected] with SUBMIT as the subject and your name, title and complete address.
Anyway, my understanding of CODEX is exactly what Robin just posted.
I don't think the USA can be forced into complying with CODEX. But my understanding is that if we do not comply, we face some serious international trade sanctions. And that is why some European countries have already complied.
Gosh, we really need more information on this!
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