Topic: Which infection should be treated first--Bart, Babs, etc?
Hoosiers51
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I thought I would get people's opinions.......if someone has had, for example, Lyme, babesia, and bartonella (like I do), what order should these diseases be treated?
I feel like most people would say treat babesia first, but I saw someone the other day that said you have to treat Bart first.
Opinions on the order of treatment?
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bejoy
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I've read many people say go big to small. For example, treat intestinal worms first before tiny stuff like micoplasma.
For me it worked best to treat Bartonella first. I started with a Bartonella homeopathic from Deseret Biologicals. Then I added artemicin for Babesia. Eventually I went for the big spirochete killers.
Good luck.
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For me also go after bartonella and also later jump on babesia.
bart makes you have more neurological problems.
I had them both and the rest of company.
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CD57
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Bartonella, because it weakens the immune system.
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Hoosiers51
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I am currently treating babesia for the third time in three years. I felt deep down that it wouldn't do anything to help me this current round, but I decided to go with it. My LLMD was all about it.
I am worried. I am hoping to go on some Bart treatment next. I am so frustrated with this Babs treatment that I want to just quit it right now....half way in. Based on these responses so far, do you guys think I should?
I don't want to waste my time!!!!!
I just feel like this babs treatment is not gonna work because I have been here before. I didn't even have strong babs symptoms before starting it this time.
Bartonella is the only thing I feel hasn't really been addressed for me on its own. The closest I came was when LLMD put me on Malarone, Zithro, and Cipro. To him, that Cipro was my Bart treatment.
He is a good, respected LLMD---why isn't he addressing my Bart first? If everyone on this website is saying, treat Bart, why isn't he?
That is my main internal question.
Please help!
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cantgiveupyet
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i was yanked off bart treatment to go after babs.
Levaquin was helping me but my LLMd felt babs needed to be treated.
I remember when i first joined LN in 05- most if not all LLMD were saying treat babs first.
I think more have changed since fry labs is finding bart, and Dr B found that patients that werent improving had bart.
Babs can also weaken the immune system.
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Hoosiers51
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Bump ^
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Hoosiers51
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someone said Bart weakens the immune system, and now someone (sorry, can't see the names and can't rememeber now) is saying Babs does. Posts: 4590 | From Midwest | Registered: Jun 2008
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cactus
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Hey, Hoosiers - tried to pm you back but your mail box is full
I treated babs first, but like cantgiveup said, I joined back in '05 and most LLMDs were going after babs first.
Not sure now, which is best to go after first, but it is nice to have the babs symptoms gone.
Maybe go after the one that seems to be causing the most problems... if you feel it's bart, will your LLMD let you switch mid-stream?
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cactus
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Oops, double post.
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Hoosiers51
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Is switching mid-stream bad? (sorry, i know, i'm full of questions)
I am emptying my mailbox.
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migranes is nothing comparing to full blown enchephalitis when lyme and bart is active.THAN you really need to treat bart.
I used a rife machine and was telling me that BART was crazy .I used to feel better after rifing BART and had some clear brain treating babesia.
I know babesia ( shows gone for me ) have given me some lift from that SEVERE fatigu but the nuro problems and brain swelling comes when bart pushes lyme more in CNS .
I treated bart mostly with heavy duty and still am and never took IV and just did oral doxy and andrographis...you need to lower bart moslty as it gives you more neurological problems.
I wish I could make the decission for my son.But he was mostly treating babs and he was getting worst as BART progresses.
I can tell from the patterns on the skin.He has way more than me and has covered him from head to toe and I have it mostly in my thighs.That shows that bart is everywhere and he had lession and I did not.
Reason , bart...bart and more neurological problems.HE even could tell DR J. that he needed angry managment classes as he could not controll it and I was doing great to controll it.
BART eats up the tissues ...and lives scars...after you treat and kill it.babs does not..
I would have lowered bart first and taken something as artemissin to suspress babesia ...and once I would have lowered bart would be taking a maintance dosage and kill babs compeltly than back to what is left of bart...and vice versa if that is necessary but never quit treating it.
Resveratrol is great to stop bart from reproducing while you can chase babesia and artemisin low dosage also to keep babesia quiet while hitting bart strongly .
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My LLMD says Bartonella.
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