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i was not taking anything to combat yeast and was eating some fruit while on flygal when my problems started so im not sure if its the abx or a yeast problem.
im currently not on any abx (only a little bactrim over the last two weeks) and ill feel better for a day and then bad again. my LLMD wants me to stay off abx till i start feeling better but it never lasts for more than a day.
is my problem yeast? im currently on diflucin how long does it take to rid the yeast and get me back to the point where i dont feel horrible all the time. the last couple of months i wouldnt be sick day after day like i am now.
please help
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- What is your liver support? Milk Thistle, as least? Whey or other glutathione precursors?
How often are you taking your probiotics - several times a day? Be sure to take your probiotics away from both abx and Diflucan. -
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no liver support was taking milk thistle every other day, dr has never told me to take anything. ive read where milk thistle can be bad for you
im on probitotics now i take once a day away from abx and diflucan.
do you think its yeast? or is my liver acting up? ive never had any liver problems of an sort and im 31 so i doubt its having bit trouble. should i have a cbe done?
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- The only chance of helping your body withstand a herx is liver support.
Where exactly did you read that Milk Thistle can be bad for you, who wrote it and what did they say? That really matters.
When on Mepron, other liver support is considered. Also with certain other meds as Milk Thistle can lower the circulating dose of Rx in the body. Still, the liver simply has to be support in some other way and there are other ways.
Most of the time, if taken hours away from Rx, Milk Thistle will still be just fine. However, as mentioned, there are other things that can be rotated. Be sure to read from the links below.
Milk Thistle (or other equally good liver support) is nearly required if you want you liver to work with you and still be with you when this is all over.
Diflucan can stress the Cytochrome P-450 liver detox pathway and that is already very stressed with lyme. So, some sort of help is needed.
On the candida-prevention front: Protbiotics just once a day is probably not enough. Two or Three times is best.
Are you taking MAGNESIUM? That is helpful for the liver (but still best with Milk Thistle). Magnesium is also helpful to manage a herx from abx or from Diflucan. Epson salts in a WARM bath will help your body to absorb magnesium if you don't have supplements on hand.
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MAJOR REFERENCE LIST FOR SUPPLEMENTS:
This is included in Burrascano's Guidelines, but you may want to be able to refer to it separately, too:
Are you watching the amount and types of carbs you are eating? Sugar? White foods, etc??
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Coconutoil alternating with kefir and probiotics were a big help to me. Coconut oil is antifungal, antiparasitic and has antibacterial properties.
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keebler-what did you mean by "Whey or other glutathione precursors"? ill take milk thistle every day now. i was taking all of the supplements on that list but stopped a couple months ago because whenever i took them i felt wors and with have neo colored urin the rest of the day.
lymetoo-if it is yeast how long will it take to get rid of with the diflucin? im on GNC ultra probiotic complex, low sugar danactive, and green vibrance for pro bi. i wish i knew a cheap, effective pro i could take throughout the day.
glm- im taking lauracidin now isnt that made up of coconut oil?
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- You can search "whey" and "glutathione precursor" here:
Also search here for ARTICLES about Whey & Glutathione (but the liver articles will also talk about that). -
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quote:Originally posted by JunkYardWily: what did you mean by "Whey or other glutathione precursors"?
The liver makes glutathione to detoxify the poisons in the body. When the Lyme bacteria die, they leave behind toxins that are poison to the nerves...neurotoxins. These toxins cause many of the Lyme symptoms and the herx symptoms.
You can take glutathione orally, sublingually, rectally, transdermally, or by intravenous.
From what I've read, the liver does better if you supply the precursors, or the building blocks, of glutathione.
These include: Pharmaceutical quality fish oil Magnesium CoEnzyme Q10 N-Acetyl cysteine Acetyl L-carnitine Alpha lipoic acid Undenatured whey
Having a chronic illness and taking many medications will deplete the level of glutathione in your body. This is why the experienced posters here harp on "liver support."
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- Thanks, Carol. I just did not have the energy for that. Nice description. -
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so from what i understand my liver may not be damaged just not running at optimal condition.
the thing about lyme for me that is ruining my life is the sick feeling. i can deal with the tremors and the numb feeling and the tingling in the limbs but the sick feeling where i feel terrible is what keeps me from doing things. the sick feeling comes and goes. sometimes it comes around just for an hour or so in the afternoon. but like i said lately its been day after day.
so if i get my liver processing these toxins better i may greatly reduce how often i feel like shat?
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- Yep. --------- 3/4 of the way down page one, there are lots of LIVER LINKS:
Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - -
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Sounds good..Don't forget to do lots of detox.
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idk what lots of detox means. i use to do epson salt hydrogen peroxide baths they didnt do anything.
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They make some detox products you can get at pharmacy. Some body builders use them also...
They are mostly B vitamins. I have heard some people use them to get things they ingested, like drugs out before testing for jobs, etc.
Or your doctor can prescribe one of the products available. Antioxidant vitamins seem to help too. Like E.
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Adding vitamin C 1000 mg/day helps with some of the Bactrim (sulfamethoxazole) toxicity if taken daily. There is an article on that, I'll try to find it since this topic keeps coming up in different ways.
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- Detox means, mostly, good on-going liver support so that your body can metabolize toxins. The Tinnitus thread above has many liver links.
In addition to liver support supplements, sweating in moderate (not hot) heat or water, gentle exercise, massage, attention to water and mineral/electrolyte balance . . . . these all help the body to get out toxins. But never push as that can also be too hard on the liver if asked to do too much at one time.
Even if you don't sense the epson salts bath as helping, then try just a WARM BATH without it.
As long as the water is warm (not hot), just being in the warmth, exercising in the tub a bit - that is helpful for circulation and for helping the body to move out toxins. You may not feel a lot better but if you don't feel worse from it, a warm bath should help and be something on your daily list - maybe just even 20 minutes. -
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- Beachnit,
If you come back - as the long link took the thread "wide" - and for those with smaller computers making it harder to read - would you please replace the long link with a "Tiny URL" ?
The one specifically for that article is here - with the title so that if, in the future the tiny url changes (as they sometimes do), someone can still find it with a search. thanks.
lymetoo-if it is yeast how long will it take to get rid of with the diflucin? im on GNC ultra probiotic complex, low sugar danactive, and green vibrance for pro bi. i wish i knew a cheap, effective pro i could take throughout the day.
It's hard to say how long it will take since you are on abx... that's always problematic when it comes to yeast.
It should get better in a week or so on Diflucan as long as your diet is good.
I would add in or switch to Body Biotics www.upwardquest.com It's 90 capsules and I only take one per day. Says to take 3-4 per day but I don't think you'd need more than 2. It's around $45 with shipping.
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