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Did anyone stopped abx and start taking herbs?. How do you feel when you start the abx and continuing herbs.
Do you need to discuss your decision with your LLMD or do you consider one who can work with your LLMD
Thank you
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Keebler
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- Absolutely, your LLMD's advice should be considered. And your LLMD may know of a LL ND (naturopathic physician) to be on your team.
However, just as many LLMDs incorporate herbs and nutritional supplements, many LL NDs also use antibiotics. Herbs, alone many not be enough.
Expert advice by an ILADS-educated LLMD &/or an LL ND (naturopathic doctor) is vital. On top of that, much study falls on the shoulders of each patient.
Be absolutely sure that herbs used are part of an overall protocol and address the spirochete, specifically - or other particular tick-borne infections. No all do.
You need someone who has really studied in this area not just to know the science of lyme (or other TBD) but the science and synergy of the herbs combined (and if they cross the BBB and work on all forms of the spirochete, etc.) and what is affecting YOU - what infections, what dysfunctions, etc.
Find a LL ND who has four-plus years of medical college training just in naturopathic medicine and human physiology. Add to that an education by studying ILADS literature, etc.
You need that kind of expertise.
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* This explains WHY you need an ILADS LLMD or ILADS LL ND (naturopathic doctor) to guide your treatment protocol.
CONTROVERSY CONTINUES TO FUEL THE "LYME WAR" - 2007
" . . .To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last 30 weeks. . . ."
". . . If all cases were detected and treated in the early stages of Lyme disease, the debate over the diagnosis and treatment of late-stage disease would not be an issue, and devastating rheumatologic, neurologic, and cardiac complications could be avoided. . . ."
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- Full article at link above.
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To compare and contrast the work of some authors regarding complementary methods: -------------------------
ITM - Chinese Medicine research site - In general, not lyme specific. Search "safety" and "interaction" if you have questions.
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You might want to copy this list to your computer file as a research template.
The Cowden Protocol has not been included in this set as it's just not one I've explored for myself. It's easy to find through Google.
Rain-Tree has a "Spiro" tincture formula that also may be considered as part of a protocol. Through: www.rain-tree.com -
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Thank you Keebler and all. Keebler you are very informative as always.
I have asked my LLMD if I can consider taking Herbs in addition to the abx. He said that's fine as a matter of fact he referred me to a acupuncturist who is specialised in herbs and sufi healing.
I think I can continue my abx when I take the herbs as long as there are no conflicts. Stuid me I forgot to ask this question to my LLMD.
Thank you
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Keebler
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- Regarding conflicts, as you read over the articles above and compare and contrast each author's work, you will see how the combinations work and the difference in herbs and the idea of balance for formulas. Then you can discuss particulars for your case. Glad you will be consulting with a L. Ac. whom your LLMD holds in good regard.
Actually, as you will see a LL L.Ac. you might just relax, focus on healthy living and let the acupuncturist start fresh - clear your slate, close your notebook. It can be cleaner that way, so to speak. See how that goes. You can alway reassess but it's best not to get the waters too muddied. I can't really say exactly what I want or how I want to say it but I think you get it.
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I would just add that I saw a naturopath last summer, well before I thought Lyme. He put me on a number of herbs. After a couple weeks I felt awful, had a bout of bronchitis, etc. and stopped the herbs, not so much because I thought they were making me worse, but because I was focused on getting my lungs healthy, again.
Anyway, I now realize that I was probably herxing.
I mention all this as a way to point out that you need to be prepared for that kind of thing.
Good luck.
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quote:Originally posted by Keebler: - Regarding conflicts, as you read over the articles above and compare and contrast each author's work, you will see how the combinations work and the difference in herbs and the idea of balance for formulas. Then you can discuss particulars for your case. Glad you will be consulting with a L. Ac. whom your LLMD holds in good regard.
Actually, as you will see a LL L.Ac. you might just relax, focus on healthy living and let the acupuncturist start fresh - clear your slate, close your notebook. It can be cleaner that way, so to speak. See how that goes. You can alway reassess but it's best not to get the waters too muddied. I can't really say exactly what I want or how I want to say it but I think you get it.
quote:Originally posted by greengirl: I would just add that I saw a naturopath last summer, well before I thought Lyme. He put me on a number of herbs. After a couple weeks I felt awful, had a bout of bronchitis, etc. and stopped the herbs, not so much because I thought they were making me worse, but because I was focused on getting my lungs healthy, again.
Anyway, I now realize that I was probably herxing.
I mention all this as a way to point out that you need to be prepared for that kind of thing.
Good luck.
Thank you Green for your heads up.
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nefferdun
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I quit abx twice and began herbs. I tried various protocols which seemed to help me stay in remission through the summer but then I relapsed.
A LLMD told me you can use herbs for lyme but bartonella does not respond to herbs. That is true with me. I found the TOA free cat's claw (1500 mg a day divided into three doses) and grapefruit seed seed extract (1200mg a day - 3 doses) helped.
Nothing worked for bart and I tried everything including 20 HH capsules a day.
The LLMD said teasal root, cat's claw and andrographis are best for lyme (borellia). Artemesinin helps with babesia.
I would not quit the abx until your are feeling a lot better unless you are having side effects that worry you.
The herbal route is also a lot more expensive.
I also tried a homeopathic doctor and he was worthless. Everyone will promise you a cure but don't believe it.
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pamoisondelune
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Neff- 1200 mg/day GSE grapefruit seed extract--- that's a lot! Where did you get that dosage?
My bottle of pills says 125 mg, 3x/day w meals.
It seems to have worked , over several years. I always refused to take Flagyl and Tinidazole, but the GSE (or something else) seems to have worked, because i didn't get a big outpouring of cysts opening up after i stopped abx.
Agree, neither my herbs nor abx seemed to attack my very secretive unproven Bartonella, which now seems (my guesswork!!) to respond to my rife treatments on my GB-4000.
Healthy, have you considered rifing too?
----Polly Polygonum -----or Nilufar Knotweed
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No, pamoisondelune I did not. It does not mean that I am not into rifing, I did not know anything about it. I am ready to educate myself about rife if I can get information.
Thank you
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