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Cass A
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Dear Friends,

I just got my February 2009 issue of Dr. David G. Williams' health newsletter, ALTERNATIVES. Since this is PUBLISHED data from a non-LLMD, I'm putting his name here. The main article features the news that "Researchers have discovered that nicotinamide [niacinamide] can restore the memory loss of Alzheimer's disease." In mice with Altzheimers, they were congitively cured after four months of being given the human dose equivalent of 2 to 3 grams per day. That is, these mice tested the same as if they'd never developed Altzheimer's at all.

This is NIACINAMIDE--not NIACIN, which causes flushing and is helpful in detoxification, as well as having other benefits. It is NOT "no-flush niacin," which is a different chemical. Niacin can cause some severe reactions in high doses--those who intend to use high-dose niacin usually ramp up slowly.

Dr. Williams states that he's used the findings of Dr. Kaufman, who worked in the 1930s with niacinamide, to have positivve effects on his patients in the areas of fatigue, muscle strenght, work capacity, balance, mood problems, joint mobility and osteoartritis.

Since the vitamin clears the body within 3 hours, Dr. Williams recommends multiple doses of 250 mg during the course of the day, which is what Dr. Kaufman himself did until his death in 2000. Any higher dose at one time is more than the body can readily absorb, according to Dr. Kaufman, but has no adverse effects, as it is water-soluable and just leaves the body.

Dr. Williams also recommeds preservative-free niacinamide, as he says that this gets better responses. I found preservative-free niacinamide at Vitamin Shoppe. He gives the website, http//www.fredavitamins.com as a source of preservative-free niacinamide.

Dr. Williams states, "Although Dr. Kaufman's patients often began to experience subtle improvements in the first few hours or days, the more serious cases could take a year or even longer to resolve."

Apparently, high-dose NIACIN has been tried by some people at Lymenet, but I didn't see any evidence of anyone working with repeated doses of NIACINAMIDE.

Anyway, I'm starting on it today, as some of Dr. Williams' advice has been very helpful to me in the past.

So, there's the data! If anyone else has tried this in the past, I'd be interested to know what the results were. And, if anyone wants to try it now, this is enough info to start!

Best,

Cass A

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Thanks, Cass - very interesting article.

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Keep us posted as to your progress!
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Thanks, Cass! Very good synopsis of the article! I must have missed this when you posted it..... but I just finished reading the same article in my Alternatives newsletter and I got very excited about this, too! I found you'd already posted about it!

Oh, and Vitamin Shoppe has the preservative-free version of niacinamide - thanks for that, too.

And by the way, if anyone is worried that 3 grams of niacinamide a day is a lot, a toxic dose in humans would be around 375,000 mg a day. So, this daily amount appears to be very SAFE. But as Cass pointed out, it's important to take several 250 mg. doses a day.

Interestingly, the study they are going to do on humans is only 2 doses a day of 1,500 mg each. In the study they did on the mice, the niacinamide was added to their drinking water (so probably several small doses a day)..... I wonder how this will affect the human study?

Alzheimer's is very prevalent here and one of my neighbors is afflicted with it right now..... I'll have to figure out a way to get this information to her family. This seems too important to ignore - and very inexpensive.

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i had a really bad reaction to that-can't remember what happend-but when i told llmd he understood and said a certain group of ppl can't take it-so if you have a bad reaction don't try to tuff it out-tell the doc

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Dear Friends,

Wow--lpkayak--I've heard of people getting a serious reaction to NIACIN (it flushes out toxins and radiation), but not to NIACINAMIDE. Thanks for the heads up!!

So, a progress report:

I usually manage to take the niacinamide about 4 times a day. I do seem to be thinking more clearly and my memory of past events is better. I still have trouble with short-term memory, like where I put my glasses or what the #^&#& is the exact address I'm driving to??

I also found that GNC has a preservative-free niacinamide, but in 100 mg only. So, I'll take two!! LOL!!

Best,

Cass A

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intriguing. To what does Dr Kaufman attribute the positive effects?

anybody know if nicinamide works for brainfog and if it interacts with any of our commonly prescribed antibiotics or detoxifiers?

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Thanks for the report, Cass - thanks!

Thanks, Ipkayak - I'd never heard of any negative results taking Vit B3 (niacinamide). Well, wait.....I think I read somewhere that it can cause GI symptoms and diarrhea for some folks..... does that sound familiar? Is it possible that you reacted to the preservatives/fillers and not the B3 itself?

Cottonbrain, what Kaufman found in his research with B3 was that physical and mental problems associated with `normal' aging are often the result of an inadequate amount of niacinamide in the diet. And in this recent study done on mice, even the `normal' mice had cognitive improvement.

I found an article that explains a little about the `action' of B3 and why it works, according to this study (not Kaufman's findings - I don't know about that). Let me see if I still have it. Yes, here's an excerpt and the link:

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In the Green et al. study, nicotinamide [niacinamide] was found to lower levels of a protein called phosphorylated tau that leads to the development of tangles (see Fig. 1). Of further consequence, the vitamin also strengthened the ``scaffolding'' along which information travels in brain cells. Good scaffolding helps preserve neurons, thereby further preventing symptoms in mice genetically wired to develop Alzheimer's.

In their search for just what was going on, nicotinamide did not affect levels of the protein beta amyloid, which clumps in the brain to form plaques, the second type of Alzheimer's lesion. Given this lack of effect on beta amyloid levels, the researchers figured the compound must be improving cognition through some other mechanism.

Upon analyzing protein extracts from whole brain samples of treated and control AD mice, they found a 20 percent reduction in levels of tau in the nicotinamide-treated animals. They saw no differences at several tau sites typically phosphorylated in AD mice at the end of eight months, but a whopping 60 percent reduction in Thr231-phospho-tau--a particular species of tau that has been reported to interfere with microtubule polymerization and is a commonly used biomarker for AD--in the nicotinamide group compared with vehicle. ``It's incredibly dramatic,'' Green told the Alzheimer's Research Forum. ``This thing [a biomarker for AD] is just wiped from the brain very specifically.''5

Nicotinamide, they found, led to an increase in proteins that strengthen microtubules, the scaffolding within brain cells along which information travels. When this scaffolding breaks down, the brain cells can die. Neuronal death leads to dementia experienced by Alzheimer's patients. ``Microtubules are like highways inside cells.

What we're doing with nicotinamide is making a wider, more stable highway,'' Green said. ``In Alzheimer's disease, this highway breaks down. We are preventing that from happening.''

``At the moment we're talking about a disease for which there is no sort of treatment and this is likely to be far safer than any of the upcoming drugs. Nicotinamide is just vitamin B3, it's really cheap, it's safe and easy to get hold of,'' said Green.
http://www.als.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3799

Also, for anyone who might have access to the Journal of Neuroscience articles online, here's the link to the original article:
http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/45/11500

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Tracy, nice digging...cool study references. [Smile]

Just by chance, I had an appt. with a ND yesterday, and I really like her approach. She prescribed Niasafe-600 (from Thorne) which I am researching a bit right now. See a good writeup on this and related applications here:

http://www.thorne.com/media/inositolhexaniacinate.pdf

I also am taking Mycopryl, which is a slow release caprylic acid for the candida. It seems similar to the coconut oil I was taking; but the slow release will possibly treat more area in the small intestine.

I started both yesterday and I am tired today....no real surprises with that!

Question(s) for all of you: isn't the "flushing" phenomenon "good?" Isn't this part of the detox effect? Also, some slow release niacin compounds are said to be toxic to the liver, why is that?

[ 02-27-2009, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: Cold Feet ]

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This is intriguing info. indeed. I will share it with some support group friends. We would love to hear how it works out for you.
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Cold Feet, I think Thorne generally makes quality products. For some reason, my computer won't open your link. Probably a glitch on my end.

As to your second question, I think niacinamide is `made' in the liver from niacin. I've found several warnings about timed release versions of niacin and niacinamide causing liver toxicity, but it seems that there is only evidence for niacin, NOT anything I could find about niacinamide itself. I found this, but it was on a blog so who knows who posted it:

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The hepatotoxic effects of high-dose niacin therapy (e.g. for high blood lipids) first emerged with sustained-release niacin. The sustained-release form was sometimes associated with liver problems at doses as low as 3 grams per day. Even those cases seemed to be presented in the literature as case reports, suggesting it was a somewhat uncommon phenomenon, but certainly worth watching for in all treated patients.

Now, one theory of the increased toxicity of the sustained release formulation is that a greater proportion of it gets shunted down the niacinamide pathway, compared to the conjugation pathway (which causes that yucky flushing feeling). That would seem to implicate niacinamide itself for the toxic reaction, yet I cannot find so much as a case report of a single instance of liver problems related to niacinamede intake.

As I said before, I couldn't find anything specific about niacinamide.

Source Naturals makes a timed-release, preservative-free 1,500 mg. niacinamide tablet (available at VitaCost #SRN 8005063), and it would be terribly convenient to take 1 or 2 of these tabs a day as opposed to multiple doses of the 250 mg. tabs, but is this a good idea.....?

I could only find 500 mg. tablets at my local health food store, but I went ahead and got them. I can start with one or two of those a day, just to see what my reactions might be. It will be a few days as I'm `trying' something else right now and don't want to confuse the issue.

Also, when I start this, I plan to make sure I'm taking a full complement of other B vitamins to minimize the risk of creating an imbalance in the Vit. B department.

One other thing: I did find this on the label of Jarrow `pharmaceutical grade' niacinamide.... Jarrow is one company that usually tries to back up their supplements with research.....

quote:
[Niacinamide].....Energy Production and Regenerates Glutathione. Niacinamide is the form of niacin that circulates in the bloodstream. Niacinamide is utilized by all body tissues to synthesize nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADP), the active forms of niacin.

NAD and NADP are essential for over 200 enzymes and function as a hydrogen donor or electron acceptor (important for the synthesis of energy - ATP). NAD is also involved in the activation of folate and regeneration of reduced glutathione. Niacinamide and niacin are the two forms of Vitamin B3. Niacinamide does not cause flushing or skin irritation.

Well, we all know the importance of adequate ATP action and glutathione in chronic illnesses.....

Scroll down to see various health issues that niacinamide can help with:
http://diagnose-me.com/treat/T44339.html

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Thx Tracy. The link was OK yesterday; I think the Thorne web site is down today. If anyone wants the (well-written) article from Kathleen Head, N.D., I can email or fax it to you. I bet the link will work once their site is operational.

BTW: I found this (excerpted) comment interesting and validating (IHN = Niasafe, the product I am taking):

"...The bottom line is money. There is not now nor will there be anytime soon a large double blind study of IHN and its effects on cholesterol. All studies that have been done (that I can find) are in agreement; it works. Doctors who have been giving it to patients (some for decades) also agree that it works (and that its effects increase with increasing dose). The complaint I can find about IHN is that it costs more that plain Niacin; even if it is more or less six times cheaper than Niaspan.

Abbot labs (who bought KOS) is paying millions for a large evaluation of Niaspan. I would suggest to you that if IHN really didn't work they would be financially motivated to demonstrate the point in their drug trials. The whole point of Niaspan is to be "flush-free". The rising popularity of IHN (google "flush-free" niacin) is a clear financial threat. You can not expect them to actively point out the cheaper alternative. But when I googled the articles dispariging IHN and found the authors were funded by Niaspan, I was surprised by the lack of open disclosure..."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:Is_inositol_hexanicotinate_effective_in_lowering_cholesterol

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Thanks - not too surprising, Cold Feet. It's this kind of bias that makes me 'filter' a lot of what I read out there about vitamins and supplements.... i.e., like I would totally believe information from the FDA on ANYTHING? They are pretty much bought and paid for by the pharma folks.

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I read the other topic that Wallace posted to on niacin, and found another one that I posted to a while back. I also started niacin a few days ago, and the flushing has lessened significantly. I am doing 100 mG twice daily...

Today, I had no flush, but I am experiencing tinnitus for the first time in several years. Also, I found that I am sleeping more deeply; though I was sleeping well any way.

As some of you know, niacin is already used in a number of different therapies:

- Treat Chlamydia pneumonia. The release of endotoxins (from presumably dead microbes) causes the flush:

``...Niacin therapy has been used safely for the treatment of hypercholesterolemia for decades, just the same, niacin levels should be increased slowly to minimize flushing and liver enzymes should be monitored. Expect some endotoxini release (as organisms die) as niacin is increased. Endotoxin release will lower nitric oxide levels temporarily and lead to cold hands and feet and possibly increased muscle aches in the initial stages of niacin treatment. You have to build up gradually on niacin as ingestion causes a flush like a hot flash...''

- used to treat cancer patients in the Gerson

Therapy (dunno if this is correctly sourced):

Niacin (vitamin B3)
Normal dosage for cancer patients is six 50-mg tablets of niacin daily for 6 months. For advanced cancer cases, the dosage is increased to 50 mg of niacin every hour, 24 hours a day (a total of 1200 mg niacin daily). Gerson Therapy uses the nicotinic form of niacin which may cause skin-flushing effect with temporary but harmless redness, heat, and itching. It should not be discontinued if this skin flush occurs because niacin provides vasodilation which improves blood circulation, elevates skin temperature, increases oxygenation, promotes cellular nutrition, and produces an overall detoxification effect. However, niacin should be discontinued during the menstruation or any type of bleeding.

Any way, food for thought.

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