sparkle7
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Hello all-
I'm just posting this as reference for people who may be dealing with this illness. It's my experience & is in no way meant to suggest what to do in one's individual case...
I recently started treating my parasite problem with veterinarian meds. I have been treating parasites for about 2 years now. In my case, I don't really think I had Lyme or Fibromyalgia, CFS as what I had been diagnosed with. I believe the root of my problem is some sort of parasite(s).
I took many of the herbal products such as Humaworm, various anti-parasite tinctures, capsules, MMS, Parastroy, diatomaceous earth, boron, iodine, cumanda, quinine, salt/C, Hulda Clark liver flushes...
I took Parastroy for 6 months or a bit longer. After herxing very bad at first (which meant increased neck, shoulder, back pain, usually) I worked up the Parastroy to the regular dose. It was really hard at first. I could barely tolerate 1 cap.
I took Parastroy for about 6-9 months. One day I woke up & no longer was in pain. I felt almost normal after about 16 years of being ill & doing the usual Lyme & Fibromyalgia protocols.
I felt pretty good for about a month or 2 & then it all started coming back again. I had some changes going on in my life but I was wondering why all of the pain was starting again.
It might have been stress, increased EMF exposure, changes in climate. So, I decided to go for a version of the Dr. K (or Dr, Simon Yu) anti-parasite protocol.
I got the flu in the middle of my beginning so I did stop for a week or so. Then, I really decided to go for it. I was being a bit shy in my dosages because I really didn't want to take the drugs. I was hoping I could do it through herbal remedies.
Anyway, after about 4 days of taking invermectin, praziquantel (I think this is bitricide), & pyrantel pamoate there were worms in the toilet. They may have been roundworms judging from the size. I believe I also saw some other smaller ones like threadworms but I don't know for sure what they were.
It is well known that the testing is not accurate so we really have to guesstimate what to do. I'm still going through the process. I'm mainly posting this to say that in many cases our illnesses may be due to parasites. They may or maynot be Lyme. I became ill from the first 2 weeks of taking herbal anti-parasite treatments. I got really ill from doing a liver cleanse - that was the beginning of it all.
Most doctors do not know anything about parasites. It is just beginning to get integrated into the Lyme treatment protocol. From my experience, I wish I did this 16 years ago!
I also want to say that the herbs may not be strong enough. I was quite surprised to see about 10+ things that looked like roundworms or hookworms in my bowel movement after treating with herbs for about 2 years.
Unfortunately, we really have to be aggressive to treat this stuff. This is just my experience. I hope it will help some of you out there.
Another thing I want to mention is that be cautious with binders. I would normally think that if I was ill from the treatment, that I should go right away & use the binders. This may not be a good idea because it also absorbs the drug or herb used to kill the parasites.
I think some of these things can build up in the system & cause a die off days later. It might not be a good idea to absorb everything right away. We do need to get the dead junk out of the body as soon as possible but I think you may want to use your judgement as to when that time is. We do not want to have toxins being reabsorbed into the body in any case, either!
Plain water enemas were useful to me in my case. I have tried to self treat this illness for many years. I ran out of money & I had to learn these things the hard way. I believe it can be done. If you run out of money & have to do things on a budget - it can be done.
Many of the cheapest things were the most useful in my experience. Learning how to dowse or so some kind of energetic testing can be really helpful, too. It's best to have help, a doctor or someone - but if you can't find the appropriate people or don't have the money - we can do this on our own. It's not for everyone & I'm not suggesting to anyone to self treat but in my case, I had no option.
Good luck everyone!
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What a long battle for you but it sounds like you are finally winning.
Have a nice Thanksgiving!
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Hambone
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7:
I recently started treating my parasite problem with veterinarian meds.
Are you doing this on your own? I have considered doing this. I know someone who did this on her own and lots of critters came out, but I've been too chicken to try it. I did try Pin-X once and got horrible cramps, but I was unsure how often it was safe to use.
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I have finished up five years of abx and just before I finished, I did a round of parastroy and then after being off abx for two weeks now, I just finished up a round of Humaworm.
I definitely think it is cleaning up stuff that the abx and herbs for Lyme, Bart and Babs didn't get, so we shall see.
Keep us posted on how this is working out.
Cathy
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sparkle7
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Yes, I'm doing this on my own. I'm loosly following the Dr. K/ Dr. Simon Yu protocol. The main problem is getting the dosages correct but I'm doing the best I can.
I've tried all the herbal routes & I just don't think it's strong enough. You have to be very careful with all of this. The die-off can be very miserable. In some cases it can be life threatening - so really be careful!
From what I have read, the die-off is actually worse than the side effect of the drugs. Dead parasites are really toxic!
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Thanks for posting this. I'm very intrigued by the parasite protocol, but as you said, many doctors are not familiar with treating parasites. I have mentioned this protocol to my doctor; he may give me Ivermectin, but I doubt he'll go for the entire protocol.
I will probably have to see a different doc to do this.
Please do continue to post results.
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Hambone
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My friend took her script from a doctor ( for Ivermectin ) to the pharmacy, and they told her that her portion of the cost would be over $1,000! Her insurance refused to pay but a tiny portion. So, she got it online and a veterinarian friend helped her with dosing according to her bodyweight There is a dosing chart on Curezone for vet meds used by people.
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sparkle7
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Yes, I compared the prices of vet meds vs. pharmaceuticals for people in a thread a few weeks ago. It's really significant. You can buy enough ivermectin to treat a 1250 lbs. horse for about $3. The dosing goes by weight. I can't see why it's so much more for humans. Just an example of the greed & corruption of the drug companies, I suppose.
It tastes awful, though. Hopefully, I won't start neighing anytime soon... LOL
When I asked my doctor to give me a prescription for ivermectin 2 years ago, he gave me the wrong dosage & I couldn't get it filled. I also found out how expensive it was. I decided to stick with herbs instead. After taking the herbs for 2 years - I found they just weren't strong enough.
I would have prefered to stick with the herbs. I was a bit afraid to try the vet meds but I can see I still have a long way to go with this. I didn't want to be so aggressive but when I saw what Dr. K was prescribing to his patients, I figured I'd have to do it.
He confirmed alot of what I was arriving at through my own self treatment & dowsing. I can't say it enough - be really careful with this! The die off can be worse than the side effects of the drugs. Parasites are very toxic.
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I got tons of parasites out with herbs and salt/c. After the 3rd week I increased the parastroy to 3 each a day.
I eventually added Hanna Kroeger to the mix along with extra cloves and Super Digestaway by Soloray which is also antiparasitic) and extra HCL.
I opened the capsules and mixed them with applesauce and ate with food through the day. One parasite cleanse was not enough, so I added the extra cleanse.
This is very strong, so if you decide to do the added herbs, add them in a little at a time. This in combo with the salt/c worked great for me.
Gael
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quote: Hopefully, I won't start neighing anytime soon... LOL [/QB]
I think just the fact that you can spell "neighing" correctly should make you nervous...
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I'm so glad for you!
I've been treating parasites for several years. Herbs didn't do much for me either. Ivermecticn didn't do anything but albenza has consistently helped.
My LLMD put me on biltricide several years ago. He was at a conference where they said they *think* it treats some form of lyme, possibly the cystic form. Of course in your case you saw the parasites so it obviously worked on parasites for you and possibly lyme.
Biltricide knocked me for a loop. A partial dose for one day and I was sick for over a week. I guess I should re-visit biltricide since it may have been doing something useful for me. Maybe that's the key for some of us.
I do think that the parasites hang onto heavy metals, fungus, viruses etc so some of us may need to treat for those as we kill parasites.
Most binders do not get absorbed. They bind and remove. I personally need binders with a big parasite die-off but then we are all different.
Anyway, it's wonderful to hear that you have found something that is really helping you!
Terry I'm not a doctor
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When treating parasites, even after the second day, it is important to test for metals with the tensor or pendulum, EAV, ART, whatever.
Die-off of parasites will immediately release metals into the system, which will be followed within a day or two by Fungi die-off. If you have a hard time treating parasites, it is not the death of the parasites that makes you feel bad -- it is the metals that are then mobilized and causing discomfort. You need to pay attention to that.
Remember, we are treating a total ecosystem -- not some individual pathogen or toxin. They all are housekeeping together.
So you need to treat the metals right alongside - microsilica, or whatever you find tests well. When you start getting fungi die-off, up the probiotics, possibly different ones throughout the day.
If you watch out for that, parasite treatment alone never caused me any problems. It is the metals that you don't pay attention to at that time or, even worse, the fungi die-off. You need to counter that right away.
That's why it is very important to do colonics - two back to back - to remove the debris from the system as quickly as possible.
You may at that point also find some bacteria popping up - energetic testing tells you and possibly feel some viral stuff.
This is the Babuschka Principle at work - look at my old post -- http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/101357#000000. It works like this exactly - like clockwork. That same sequel happens after the parasites are gone and you are still releasing metals. Test energetically with any metal vials and treat accordingly. It is so very simple, once you have access to some decent energetic testing, preferably your own.
Take care.
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It is my hunch that the anti parasite drugs are actually targeting Lyme and co-infections in a yet-unknown fashion.
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sparkle7
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Thanks for the info everyone. I appreciate that we are all different. We all need different adjustments to our individual protocols.
I have added NDF Plus, chlorophyll & chlorella or a colon cleanse herbal combo. I dowse everything so if it says yes - I go for it. Mostly, I see that things alternate. Mostly I'm on ivermectin & biltricide now but it alternates. Some days I don't take anything, some days it's powdered cloves or Parastroy. I just added in the pyrantel pamoate & I saw about 10+ things that looked like roundworms in the toilet. I was kind of suprised after dealing with this for so long.
I'm glad I spent time with the herbs. I think the die-off may have been too severe if I jumped right in with the drugs. There may be a reason for everything...
I'm also taking some other things like a form of iodide, resveratrol, Astaxanthin, etc. I also do a plain water enema on ocassion to get the dead stuff & toxins out.
For me - the anti-parasite protocols have been the thing that has made the most difference. It's important. I'm not sure if Lyme & related stuff is part of my picture but I definitely have to keep focused on the parasites.
The Babushka principal may be true but I guess I'll see. I'm going forward as if it is as best as I can on my level of being able to treat my problems. I'm seeing that the concept does have alot of merit based on my experiences.
I don't have alot of money or access to expensive doctors. I'm lucky in that I'm pretty good at dowsing. Sometimes, it hard to be totally objective when dealing with oneself.
I'm trying...
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what is dowsing? I had a horse for a few years ,and she was around 14-17 others . I sometimes wonder about the deworming and being around that and goats,mice etc.. Not often ,but I have a bad habit of rubbing my nose. So plenty of times ,maybe before mt gloves were off?
Who knows, but recently tested pos/been fighting the unknown for year and looks like I still am.
Did the vet friend say it was the same med for animal as human?? same standards sterile?
So you think it was parasites all the years of being sick and not the other.
Doesn't that mean an ID should know and be able to treat?/
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I don't really trust doctors after all I've been through. I find I actually know more than most of the ones that I have been to. I've been studying this for about 17 years + having a general interest in herbs & health most of my life.
Parasite tests are not accurate. If you don't get a stool sample to a lab within 20 minutes - most of any remnants of parasites disintegrate (as per Dr. K.). Most doctors don't even know enough to get people tested in the first place - not that it would be accurate.
I can't see that vet meds would be signifigantly different than the human ones. The price is different by literally thousands of dollars. For real! It's not for everyone but many people have gone this route.
Probably the best test to see if you have parasites is called "provoking a response". Take some anti-parasite herbs for 1 month & see if you get worse. If you do, it's a good chance you are ill with parasites. I'm not a doctor & this is just my opinion.
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Hi, Today is my day 3 on Dr. K. parasites protocol. So far so good. Biltricide for 2 days did not cause any herx. Before doing this I did 2 months of Parastroy + salt/vit.C. I only had slight symptoms increase.
I'm too doing Ivermectin+Pyrantel pamote vet version. I have to say thanks to sparkle7. I've read your posts about vet meds and that saved me thousands of dollars$$$!!! It is actually easy to calculate the dose correctly.
None of these antiparasitic drugs are approved in Canada,so I had to buy it in the USA and pay it from my pocket, since I have no insurance over there. Just Alinia and Albenza were over 1500$!!!
Following GIGI posts I'm alternating Detoxamin and DMSA, plus taking chlorella to bind heavy metals and increased probiotics in case if fungi will be released.
Did not see anything in the toilet yet,so keeping my fingers crossed.
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sparkle7
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I'm glad you were able to save the money & get the drugs since they were not available in Canada. (You can send me a tip...LOL)
In my experience - it may take a few days or a week before things get going - if you know what I mean... (ie: die-offs)Hopefully, it won't be bad but it's good if it is - because then you know what you are doing is working.
I have had to start adding binders. I was feeling pretty 'wonky'. I was actually feeling pretty bad & I woke up yesterday & heard Dr. K saying in my mind - "the problem with taking chlorella is that most people don't take enough!" (paraphrasing)
I started taking double the normal dose & I'm feeling alot better. I started geting some kind of abcess thing on my gums & I was thinking... Oh great, I have to go to the dentist now.
To make a long story short, I started spraying colloidal silver on it & using the LightWorks (inrfared & red LEDs). Today, it much better. I think this also may be something parasite related. I'm sure they are present in the gums & jaw/face...
We also have to consider lymph. I'll have to look into it further tomorrow. I do have some Lymphomyostat (spelling?) around somewhere. Unfortunately, my rebounder is in storage.
Yes, binders are good! I think timing is a consideration, though. You don't want to take them too soon because they may absorb the killing effect of the anti-parasite drugs/herbs.
It helps if you can dowse or do some kind of energetic testing with all of this.
Also - I'm not a doctor & I'm not recommending to anyone to do what I do. I'm just sharing my experience in hopes it will help people.
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