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The conversion to cystic form is the bug's response to adverse conditions, such as attack from your immune system, or antibiotics. It is an important means of persistent infection.
The Denialists want to pretend that Lyme is a "simple infection", easily cured with a standard short course of antibiotics, and the cystic biology (along with 101 other mechanisms Borrelia has for persistence) does not fit in with that. Therefore, they like to pretend it does not exist.
Moreover in the pathology of chronic Lyme, and in other conditions such as Alzheimers, scientists may have great difficulty identifying the spirochetes if they are not in the expected spiral form. The Denialists are happy with this set of affairs, as it enables them to deny that the bug is still present, in the case of chronic Lyme, or present at all, in the case of Alzheimer's.
Dr Macdonald has put an excellent set of educational videos online for all, this one is all about cystic forms:
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In addition to the above, some lyme doctors do not want to treat a patient with flagyl (metronidazole), which is the med of choice to kill cysts.
Why? Well, because of some terrible side effects that can occur with flagyl use. See this post for example:
See page 15 of Burrascano Guidelines for his discussion of this.
Tinidazole is an alternative cyst buster. It can cause the same side effects evidently, but less often.
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and there is a film on netflix and Hulu that will tell you exactly why conventional medicine does not want to recognize the cyst form. As ususal its follow the money. This film exposes the exact people responsible and their connection to the money trail.
film title: Under Our Skin
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the woman who did my dark field live blood analyis says she has seen a film of a Lyme cyst breaking open and spirochetes spilling out. The Bradford rearch confirms this occurs.
Marcozymes are noted to break open the cyst when taken separate from meals. Your antibiotic or antimicrobial should follow one hour after taking them.
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So, people on the other side of the fence just outright ignore the studies that have revealed the existence of cysts? What evidence do they offer that these studies are not valid? Are the studies not conducted properly? I guess I just don't understand how correctly done studies can be ignored. Seems so bizarre.
And as far as the cyst buster side effects...I guess that is why my current LLMD was not on board with those when I asked about them. I guess I am also just perplexed by this as well.
If it is something that needs to be taken, don't you just at least try it and see first if there are side effect? And know to stop immediately if they arise? Seems the benefits of busting cysts outweighs the possibility of the side effects (if you know to stop as soon as any sign nerve pain begins).
I don't know. It's just all so bizarre.
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Judie, yes, it seems that the macrozymes help some people and it a growing addition to the lyme protocol for many alterntaive doctors. Im on a protocl similar to the one you linked to.
HCL is a very old remedy and in the old days before the modern pharma era HCL use to be injected into the vein to cure quite a few pathogenic diseases... in very small doses mind you. I belive that my doc does some of this work but we have not gone in that direction so far.
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Judie, yes, it seems that the macrozymes help some people and it a growing addition to the lyme protocol for many alterntaive doctors. Im on a protocl similar to the one you linked to.
HCL is a very old remedy and in the old days before the modern pharma era HCL use to be injected into the vein to cure quite a few pathogenic diseases... in very small doses mind you. I believe that my doc does some of this work but we have not gone in that direction so far.
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I do have an LLMD...although not the best one I think and I am to see another but the wait is long.
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It's all about the $$$. Denialists are motivated by $$$ to deny the truth.
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Why are cysts controversial? It is a simple and complex answer all in one.
1) The CDC and IDSA position is the Lyme borrelia is easily diagnose and responds to a simple short course antibiotic treatment.
If they admit to cysts then this contradicts their testing criteria and treatment guidelines. They have dug in their heels on this.
The erroneous critical report by Barbara Johnson on Dr. Sapi and the Advanced Lab Test is just one example. The CDC doesn't even care about being criticized.
They now have a paper Wormser, Steere, Halpern, etc. can point to on the culture test not being valid. They (especially Barbara Johnson as she is the Elisa champion) can't have work out there exposing the flaw in their 2 tier testing standard.
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Thanks guys. That helped explain a bit more. Sad that they aren't only ignoring the truth, but actually trying to suppress it.
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they do this, not just with Lyme but with all the diseases and the therapies that work for them. Because cannabis can cure most cases of cancer, that is why it is illegal.
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