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I am taking digestive enzymes, probiotic, potassium, mag, daily. And some other supplements.. I am on the candida diet as well.. 3 weeks in to this.. Oh and lemon water for detoxing as well..
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I am taking ultimate flora.. Can candida make you feel so bad you debate the ER? Not much help they can be so I try to stick it out!! Plenty of fluids and the right foods! This week I dropped 5lbs so far it's been tough!!
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A candida herx can be horrible if you have proto (FL1953 or protomyxzoa). The pain can be so bad that anyone sane would run to an ER, but don't waste you're time--they are clueless. You have the same bands I have, and I have proto.
Not only do I have to avoid sugar, I also have to eat a proto diet (low fat and very low arginine: low to zero animal products, no fats, nuts, oils, etc). Parasite treatment helps. Watch out, mag feeds it. I would limit the mag if I were you.
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I will def talk to my llmd about this!! I see him for the first time feb 5.. I should get some solid answers still waiting in my co infection tests! I tested for all the ones through igenex!! I am pretty fond of this lab!
Fighting the battle is never easy!!
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Candida herxes were as bad as borrelia (or worse, sometimes). I know candida for longer than borrelia, and herxing is very bad.
I read that candida herxes can even kill.
Candida is not to be taken lightly, when we know that most patients with cancer have active candida. What causes what, is a question that is to be kept in mind, in my opinion.
Chronic infections patients like us, will almost always deal with candida, at a certain point.
Candida herxes are not to be taken lightly. They can clog your liver, and do damage to kidneys.
For me, chlorella and bear garlic were a must, in great amounts, or I would feel like crap.
Recently I'm on a much milder treatment for candida, that looks successful so far, which is both KPU protocol and Schussler Salts.
So far so good, but the KPU does bring toxins off and you also feel bad. But candida stays in its 'nice' form, causing you no symptom (or barely any symptom).
The main purpose is not to kill the candida, exactly, but change the milieu in which a nice helpful candida becomes an aggressive infectious huge creature, that consumes your organs and your gut.
I am eating my daily piece of dark chocolate and sweet/ acid fruits as usual, carbs, bread as usual, and candida stays under control, without herxes. And I'm not taking any candida killer, that I hate so much.
I've been fighting candida much longer than borrelia. While borrelia is long dormant, candida still keeps coming back for me. Every year, less frequently, less aggressively, but still coming back.
I think I got the last parts of my candida puzzle. It is NOT in taking candida killers not in cutting all sugars and carbs exactly.
Anyway, I would take herxes from candida seriously, specially if your lyme disease is still active. Add borrelia, bart, babesia herxes to it, it can be very bad. Just tune your cleaning supps!
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Aldehydes are given off when Candida dies. This is alcohol poisoning, essentially.
Molybdenum is needed for the body to detox aldehydes.
Therefore, taking a Molybdenum supplement during candida herxes may reduce the severity of the herxing symptoms from the aldehydes.
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Sticks, I did it for 3 weeks when I started taking Berberine. You described my sx exactly. Why I suspected it was a yeast/candida die off that was occurring.
Then suddenly it was better and I've been on berberine and increased my dosage and the increased dosage didn't give me any issues.
FYI, do a search on this site on berberine.
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Limiting Magnesium is not the answer. For anything. unless maybe your kidneys are shutting down and even then you can take a picoionic form and it will be safe for the kidneys.
Candida toxins require magnesium to be processed and if you are limiting the Magnesium you are just making things worse.
Candida steals our minerals and so to further limit these things in the body would only make us sicker. The idea would be to *replace* these minerals and give the body what it need to heal the thyroid and the adrenals, etc. get that body temperature up so it is not a good breeding ground for the Candida.
As far as Molybdenum that is good too, but would be best would be to get a picoionic form so you know that it is actually being absorbed.
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As far as herx, the most I've had is 2 weeks straight but if you stay on anti.Candida diet it can last on and off for months. If you are a woman, the die off or "detox" can occur around your cycle as the rest of your body goes into detox as well.
Colonics will help get the toxins out as well as the dead yeast. Even after it's dead it is still toxic to the body so best to get it out and make sure your bowels are moving properly.
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OH. I also wanted to say that is is normal to have a loss of appetite during detox or die off. It's from an over burdened liver.
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MattH,
Well, probably good to take Molybdenum before using the Coil (an hour or so at least, if you can), that way the mineral has time to absorb and get incorporated into the enzymes.
And I also agree on the Magnesium...and would also add Zinc...with a little supplemental Copper to balance with the Zinc...
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Brussels ~ Can you teach me a little more about your diet? I'm intrigued and want to learn. Thanks!!
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quote:Originally posted by map1131: Sticks, I did it for 3 weeks when I started taking Berberine. You described my sx exactly. Why I suspected it was a yeast/candida die off that was occurring.
Then suddenly it was better and I've been on berberine and increased my dosage and the increased dosage didn't give me any issues.
FYI, do a search on this site on berberine.
Pam
Pam, what kind of herb did you use for Berberine? Im now wondering if a very bad reaction I had to Tinospora cordifolia (a berberine containing plant) could actually have been a very severe candida herx? I have not tried it since because of the severity of the herx, but i did notice a "good" day with some improvement in mental clearity after the herx subsided. My herx symptoms included severe nausea, loss of appetite, flushing and sweating.
It would be great to be able to use the TC again, because it has good liver regenerating properties, and is therefor very useful as supporting herb while on rifampin: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739336/Posts: 381 | From The Netherlands | Registered: Nov 2013
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I'm fighting this now. The vertigo, loss of appetite and indigestion/shortness of breath are some of my symptoms.
Hang in there....you'll get past it and will feel better for it! Posts: 711 | From Bucks County, PA | Registered: Apr 2008
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I found candidas herx sometimes worse then lyme and co.'s. Hang in there!!!!!!!!
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S13, I use Swanson products. I'm also using Swanson Berberine. I'm not sure since you are out of country????
You can do web search on Swanson supps & vit and look at their Berberine product and info on it.
I'm finally up to 3 x 400mg a day. Morn-mid day-before bed.
Pam
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I thought Berberine had to be combined with Diflucan to be effective for yeast?
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I found some berberine at iHerb, from Thorne. 500mg caps. I did not know berberine came as a pure supplement. Always thought you needed to take some herb to get it.
Anyways, im gonna try the tinospora again, and afterwards transition to the pure berberine. See if it gives the same reaction.
This yeast thingie might be very nasty! Nystatin did lower the nausea somewhat when i took it over a year a go, but not much else. Perhaps i also need some fluconazole. At least ive started a gluten free diet last week and also trying to lower carb intake.
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