Originally posted by ByronSBell 2007:
Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
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quote:I've read that the increase in temperature can cause infertility...but that would be temporary, as when the temperature goes back to normal, the sperm would mature normally.
Originally posted by ByronSBell 2007:
Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
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Comments: The "news" that radio frequency emissions from a pair of cell phones can be harnessed for cooking caused quite a stir in the blogosphere when it broke last February. Skeptics insisted it was impossible -- that the slight wattage emitted by mobile phones isn't strong or consistent enough to heat an object to cooking temperature. Some tried to replicate the experiment, without success. Others investigated the original source of the information, the Wymsey Village Web, and questioned its authenticity. Mightn't the name "Wymsey" be a clue?
Sure enough, the site's Webmaster, one Charles Ivermee of Southampton, U.K., stepped forward to acknowledge authorship of the article and confirm that its content was purely satirical, not factual. "It was 6 years ago," Ivermee told Gelf Magazine, "but I seem to recall that there was a lot of concern about people's brains getting fried and being from a radio/electronics background I found it all rather silly. So I thought I'd add to the silliness." He expressed bewilderment at how seriously people seemed to be taking it. One British exam study site, he said, had republished the information without even attempting to verify it.
quote:Apparently this hoax has recently gotten new life because of being published in a Russian tabloid and on the Web as a result.
Dial and error
New York Times food writer Paul Adams, who specializes in testing unconventional cooking methods (he's your man if you want to learn how to poach a salmon in the dishwasher), tried Ivermee's tongue-in-cheek recipe in March 2006. "I stood an egg in an egg cup between two short stacks of books," he wrote. "With my new Treo 650 I called my old Samsung cellphone, answering it when it rang. I laid the two phones on the books so their antennas pointed at the egg."
It didn't work. After 90 minutes the egg was still cold. "Clearly, people are eager to have their technophobias confirmed," Adams observed, "but a cellphone's power output is half a watt at most, less than a thousandth of what a typical microwave oven emits."
At about the same time, reportedly, the hosts of the U.K. TV show "Brainiac: Science Abuse" attempted a more dramatic version of the experiment, arraying 100 cell phones around a single egg and dialing them up all at once. The result? At the end of the "cooking" process, the egg wasn't even warm.
quote:ONLY if you are a rapist. THEN the innocent will become safe.
Originally posted by ByronSBell 2007:
Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
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quote:I have heard about infertility thing, but what about hot bath and sauna, these can cause infertility too ?
Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
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Originally posted by SForsgren:
" target="_blank">http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/se.....[/qb][/QUOTE]
scott...would you please TINY URL this link?? tanks!!
[ 25. July 2007, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Lymetoo ]
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:could you explain "loud bangs"??
Originally posted by GiGi:
Now, instead, I pull the phones off the desks with loud bangs if I want to be multi-tasking.![[confused]](graemlins/confused.gif)
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
Gigi - I'm moving in with you! I'm not kidding here - my house is NOT safe. The grocery store is NOT safe.
And until I can find a place safe to work (that doesn't evoke symptoms in me), I can't afford to buy the device to test what I already know - we are being nuked to death, 24/7 - no matter where we are!!!
I'm still painfully surprised how many people think that just because no apparent 'cooking' is present, no damage is being done. That's just scary to me, and most likely the reason very few additional studies get the needed funding.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
It is not on their site yet, but the latest LEF magazine (lef.org) also had a good article on the dangers of cell phone use and even they are now offering a meter to measure EMF exposure.
Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
quote:Maria:
Originally posted by MariaA:
Um, Jim- read the reference I provided.
If you dont believe me, try it yourself. It should be easy enough to get a couple of friends with cell phones to try this if you're convinced it's real.
Also, for those new to the Internet, Snopes investigates urban legends and writes up the results whatever the results are (ie there are 'true' and 'false' entries there).
I NEVER said I DID believe it, did I? Actually I don't, without reading anything. However I do believe they will fry your brain, sort of, if you use them long enough. And there are studies on cops with and WHAT their phone and radar guns are doing to them, especially the guns they keep in their laps.
And NO i can't "easily" find a couple friends with CELL phones. I have never owned one and never will. I have used a few in an emergency on the road from customers, but I did NOT like them at all.
AND it irks me to no end to see people using them when they are SUPPOSED to be driving on the freeway. It is VERY surprising there are not MORE accidents than there are these days.
It IS what we DON'T see that hurts us.
Jim
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Gigi do you have a URL for the meter?
Scott & others, I hate to say that I've concluded cordless are worse! Why? Because its 24/7 exposure. When I researched it I was really quite upset. These satellite phones, 5.8 and 6.0 ghz, are dangerous. Most people don't use their cellphones that much. I might use mine 5-10 minutes a day at most. If people are going to use them a lot they should get a special headset or use them on speakerphone. But when a cellphone is not in use it only occasionally picks up a signal and sends out an EMF (you'll see it flash for a moment). The cordless never stop. And you've noticed how they get fuzzy when you're within a few feet of your microwave? What does that say to you?
I have a Panasonic KX-TS620W. It's great. It has a speakerphone, a headset jack, nice big keys, and caller ID though not backlit (I suspect the backlit may generate EMF's?).
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Oxygenbabe, I can accept your opinion here. Dr. K has also suggested that cordless phones are even worse. I just ordered a meter to measure EMF and will try to see what I can learn from that...
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Actually, the file is not linked from my site at all at this point. GiGi simply asked how she could share a file attachment and I copied the file there so that it could be shared. Other than via this post, it is not available through the site.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Originally posted by SForsgren:
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/se.....
SCOTT...would you please TINY URL this link?? thanks!!
www.tinyurl.com
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Lymetoo,
Could I explain a "loud bang".
That's what a born German calls a hell-of-a-noise in poor English.
Have you ever heard a 6-7 pound phone drop off a desk hitting the hardwood floor! while you were trying to continue your conversation on said phone with a mercury-toxic Lymie and at the same time wanting to communicate to your husband downstairs, the promise to cook dinner before midnight!
Take care.
Take care.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
oxygenbabe - That's not what I've been reading. Cell phones emit radiation 24/7 (just like cordless), even when they are not being used. How else would cell phone towers be able to pick up on them and cause the phone to ring when they are essentially 'off'? If they can ring, THEY ARE ON.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Oxygenbabe,
Biotools now carries a voltage meter. I don't think it is on their website yet. They are not terribly expensive - if you can share with someone nearby. Also
Check www.bau-biologieusa.com and/or www.healbuildings.com
I think the Biotool one is the most reasonable.
But I have not checked any other place.
Take care.
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
Put your cell phone near a radio turned on to AM even if the volume isn't up...you'll hear a staticky sort of morse code beeping every half hour or so.
I've been told that it's the phone linking up with the tower.
I seriously doubt this is any threat...having the thing plastered to the side of your head multiple hours a day is much more likely the problem.
Like using loud headphones many people don't give their organs ample time to recover between assaults.
That's the problem IMO. Casual usage is probably OK.
Charlie
Posted by henson2 (Member # 463) on :
I have a question! (or two!)
What about a computer in the bedroom that has wireless capacity, but you don't have a wireless hookup in the building. (I use dial-up internet). But the computer stays "on" in that it is on "sleep." I put it as far away from the bed as possible, and have a screen between the bed and desk.
Also, what about those noise cancellation headphones (like Bose makes) with the battery inside? I have actually long been suspicious of having a battery near my head (even a small one like that) and so do not often turn it on.
Any info re. these? Or should I just assume it's bad news?
This stuff can get really discouraging. There are too many things to overcome.
Despite the above rant, thanks in advance for any replies.
Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
quote:**
Originally posted by cave76:
Quoting here:
THINK!!
[oops---- I mis-spoke. The quote is:
THINK! (with just one exclamation point---- sorry)]
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YOU are forgiven Cave.
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JimBob said:
*****HAVE you thought, because of that, that just MAYBE it is NOT a Hoax?*****
Er, um, actually I DIDN'T think of that! Thank you for pointing out such an obvious flaw in the logic.
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Again, NOT a problem. Glad to help.
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You also stated:
****However I do believe they will fry your brain, sort of,****
Define "sort of".
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Cave, I am surprised you don't already know the definition of "sort of". Really surprised.
It is like, "kind of". or "to some extent" or "in a way". Need I go on?
I could add "not literally". NOT like an Egg. But we are capacitors. We store electricity, and condense it.
We ALL have an aura of electricity around us. It is important to keep it intact; and healthy. All the electricity in our homes is destroying our health. And NOW the cell phone, that people are on constantly, is going to be the ruination of mankind as we know it. Not ONLY the cell phone, but all the other devices that are being mass produced and are the "craze" today. Even these computers that we sit at for so many hours a day. Our TV's. All the electronics in our automobiles. All the chemicals in our foodstuffs. The list goes on and on.
Then we can add to that, one of the worst things ever invented: The kitchen gas range. NO ventilation, poluting our home air everyday. Then add in the chemicals in our carpeting, paneling, vinyl goods, and it goes on and on and on.
Unless we become a hermit and head to the mountains and stay there for the rest of our lives, and make all of our things direct from the land, we don't stand much of a chance to survive without big time problems from all the pollution devices and chemicals that bombard every person, every day of their lives.
Our great grandparents had very little of this. Our parents had some. WE have it all. The majority of people in this country today, have never seen different. They accept it as every day life.
SAD! . . . . THEY don't THINK!
Jim
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Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
Here is just a little excerpt from one of the websites that GiGi posted an URL on:
EMR or electromagnetic radiation is not a new concept in our life. Actually it is a very integral part of our lives because without this electromagnetic energy life would not be possible.
What is the problem we seem to have with electromagnetic radiation?
Well, since time began until about hundred years ago life had to deal with naturally occurring radiation, which somehow was balanced or life was shielded from detrimental parts of that radiation such as certain cosmic radiation. When people started to harness electricity and began to generate and transport it over long distances a different kind of energy was introduced to our life: AC electric, AC magnetic fields and radiofrequency radiation.
Over time, industry found newer and more exciting usage of that energy. It started with simple motors, refrigerators, doorbells, electric blankets, etc., via electric heating systems, communication systems such as radio and television, and is now engaged in sophisticated electronic devices, including military weapon systems, satellites, computers and cell phone technology.
These manmade energies have become part of our lives and as such are superimposed to our subtle body energies. The result of this development seems to be an increase in certain illnesses that have been unknown or at least rare before the electricity age. Research into the long-term effects of an exposure to EMRs is in the beginning stage and hampered and stopped by vested interests.
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Jim
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Thanks GIGI...had me wondering!!
Originally posted by GiGi:
Lymetoo,
Could I explain a "loud bang".
That's what a born German calls a hell-of-a-noise in poor English.
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Now if we could get Scott to shorten that URL, we could actually READ this thread more easily!!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
This from a recent Seminar I attended `- Energy Medicine 2006 - Electrosmog and Geopathic Stress:
Main Sources of Pathogenic EMF Radiation
Low frequency magnetic and electric fields
Electric household appliances (razors, hairdryers, etc.
Fluorescent lighting (separates + and - wiring)
Lamp or alarm-clock on nightstand (if plug the wrong way and ungrounded)
Electric wiring in home
Nearby powerline
Laptop computer
Wrist watch
Switched off cell phone in pocket
Known medical effects:
decreases pineal function with decreased melatonin production; opens blood brain barrier; increased leukemia and cancer rates; brain fog; synergistic effect with all other types of radiation
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Pulsed EMF with sharp pulse rise (10-100 Hz)
DECT system (and others of cordless phones
Radar from nearby airport
Alarm system in homes
Known medical effects: disturbs all known intrinsic rhythms (EEG, heart rate variability, breating pattern, 24 hr meridian activity, bowel movements, detoxification, etc.) blocks blood-brain and gut barrier (leaky gut syndrome) in stuck-open position, synergistic effect with other fields, increases mold growth in homes
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Microwave
Cellphone radiation from base station (affects blood brain barrier in 1.6 miles radius)
Wireless internet, WLAN, etc.
Blue Tooth technology
Some home alarm systems
Known medical effects: Increases cancer rate 3-fold in 10 years after cell phone radiationis brought into a community - after a 5 year incubation period. Severe EEG, HRV and EKG changes, delayed and distrubed brain development in infants, decreased melatonin and hormone production, open blood brain barrier with increased toxicity, affects entothelial cells in gut mucosa and endothelium (dysfunctional), responsible for illness and death of trees.
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Electro-Smog reduces melatonin production in the pineal gland. Why is this bad?
l. Melatonin induces sleep. We only heal and detoxify in deep non-rem sleep. Without melatonin, no regeneration and no detoxification
2. Melatonin is the most effective and potent neuroprotective chemican in the CNS and prevents damage from mercury, lead, aluminum, chemicals, mycotoxins, viruses, cigarette smoke, bacterial and parasitic endo-and exotoxins (Lyme clostridia, ascaris), outgasing of carpets and new car plastics.
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What can you do:
Reduce usage of wireless phones (2 minute rule).
Use hands free device for all calls
Use external roof mounted antenna in car
Use land lines for majority of phone time
Keep your children off - O F F - wireless phones
Remove multiple handset/cordless phone system from your house
Remove wireless internet connection from your house
Remember the reported effects are from far field radiation
Get grounded
[ 26. July 2007, 03:38 AM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Prudent Avoidance of Electric Fields:
Unplug all electrical devices near bed (within 6 feet).
Eliminate electric blanket, pads, waterbed heater (plug in the waterbed heater during the day and unplug it at night).
No live extension cords, power strips near bed.
Find circuits that raise body voltage and turn off.
Turn off bedroom circuit breaker.
Other Sleeping Area Recommendations ..
Sleep in a bed without springs or other metal.
Open windows at night: ionization of air is very important to mood and health
Need to avoid CO2 buildup
Posted by butchieboo (Member # 12063) on :
Ya Know,
I just thought of something.
All you people who think this EMf,radio freqs,cellphone stuff is BAD!
THINK!!
If we use the logical thinking,then perhaps EMF's and Co., are a good thing.
I mean, if they affect the Blood Brain Barrier by opening it up! Then all our antibiotics would work better!
We just take the ABX's and then sit around with the cellphones right next to our heads and maybe move it around a little to open the "BBB" in all the "corners of our mind".
Then once the BBB has been opened by the EMF our antibiotics would just flow right on thru and have access to all the parts of the brain.
Don't you think?
Makes PERFECTLY logical sense to me!
What do you think Cavey?
On another subject. About getting grounded!
If wood is not a good insulator then possibly eating too many gelatin capsules full of sawdust, which was documented as being done by
the supposed healthfood supplement people, might, just maybe, if you THINK about it, be causeing these radio frequencies of all types to be even more harmfull.
You would think that anyone afraid of all this stuff should stay as far away from a computer as humanly possible.
For Heavens sake...save yourselves PLEASE! THINK what you're doing to yourselves! I mean the sacrafices you're all making just to inform
others of such dangers, is greatly appreciated.
But please, stay away from your computers and stay healthy.
I don't want your bad health and possible demise to be on my conscience.
BB
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
JimBob, Gigi, and Scott are right on. Hope I didn't leave anybody out.
I think the mistake some of us are making is that we seem to forget we DID live WITHOUT all these technological advances we claim are essential for life.
My mom used to have to use an outhouse growing up, for one thing.
And I get a kick out of all the people who claim they need their cell phones for highway emergencies. I'd like to get an official count of how many cell phone calls have actually been true emergencies.
I doubt emergency calls alone would be enough to fund even a fraction of this billion dollar industry.
Only ONCE during my 42 years have I witnessed a true emergency in a grocery store - a man had collapsed due to a heart attack. And this was prior to the existence of cell phones.
I think humans are spoiled. If there is work that needs to be done and it can be made easier in some manner or less time-consuming, bingo - a new electronic device is created.
In the process, humans get less exercise, less sunlight, and less fresh air. Add the dangerous frequencies these devices give off to that mix, along with pollution which is also on the rise, and humans are about to become extinct.
We read so much about how Lyme is so hard to cure due to its uncanny ability to cross the blood-brain barrier.
We read here how these unnatural levels of radiation cause germs and toxins to do just that.
And we are still hopelessly searching for the cure for Lyme Disease?
It's a no-brainer if you ask me, and as much as this computer has become a part of what Lyme has left to my life, I would not miss it one bit.
I think humans have become greedy - we are continually toiling over our desires for more elaborate things, when in fact, all we really 'need' is food, clothing, and shelter.
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Cellular Telephone Use and Cancer Risk: Update of a Nationwide Danish Cohort
Joachim Sch�z, Rune Jacobsen, J�rgen H. Olsen, John D. Boice, Jr, Joseph K. McLaughlin, Christoffer Johansen
Affiliations of authors: Institute of Cancer Epidemiology, Danish Cancer Society, Copenhagen, Denmark (JS, RJ, JHO, CJ); International Epidemiology Institute, Rockville, MD (JDB, JKM); Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center, Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville, TN (JDB, JKM)
Correspondence to: Joachim Sch�z, PhD, Institute of Cancer Epidemiology, Danish Cancer Society, Strandboulevarden 49, DK-2100 Copenhagen, Denmark (e-mail: [email protected]).
Background: The widespread use of cellular telephones has heightened concerns about possible adverse health effects.
The objective of this study was to investigate cancer risk among Danish cellular telephone users who were followed for up to 21 years.
Methods: This study is an extended follow-up of a large nationwide cohort of 420 095 persons whose first cellular telephone subscription was between 1982 and 1995 and who were followed through 2002 for cancer incidence.
Standardized incidence ratios (SIRs) were calculated by dividing the number of observed cancer cases in the cohort by the number expected in the Danish population.
Results: A total of 14 249 cancers were observed (SIR = 0.95; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.93 to 0.97) for men and women combined.
Cellular telephone use was not associated with increased risk for brain tumors (SIR = 0.97), acoustic neuromas (SIR = 0.73), salivary gland tumors (SIR = 0.77), eye tumors (SIR = 0.96), or leukemias (SIR = 1.00).
Among long-term subscribers of 10 years or more, cellular telephone use was not associated with increased risk for brain tumors (SIR = 0.66, 95% CI = 0.44 to 0.95), and there was no trend with time since first subscription.
The risk for smoking-related cancers was decreased among men (SIR = 0.88, 95% CI = 0.86 to 0.91) but increased among women (SIR = 1.11, 95% CI = 1.02 to 1.21).
Additional data on income and smoking prevalence, primarily among men, indicated that cellular telephone users who started subscriptions in the mid-1980s appeared to have a higher income and to smoke less than the general population.
Conclusions: We found no evidence for an association between tumor risk and cellular telephone use among either short-term or long-term users.
Moreover, the narrow confidence intervals provide evidence that any large association of risk of cancer and cellular telephone use can be excluded.
**I still use the speaker phone & don't talk long. IMO, they haven't been in use long enough.![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Any thoughts on the people walking around with the "Bluetooth" thing in their ear all day?![[shake]](graemlins/shake.gif)
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
....well if nothing else walking around with the bluetooth thingy in your ear and talking incessantly, apparently to yourself, makes you look like the village idiot to those not familiar with that device.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
My ex-husband just had a brain tumor removed back in February - a heavy cell phone user. He also was exposed to radar in the Navy for 6 years.
It's possible that cell phones, along with some other yet-to-be-discovered factor (radar?)increases the risk of brain tumor.
But there is NO WAY I'm going to make a flat-out statement that cell phones don't cause brain tumors, when I know they are the final 'step' in a long process.
I'm curious if anybody here who has had a cell phone since they became popular can shed light on when each 'new generation' of technology came out.
I would be willing to bet my right arm that my symptoms worsened with each new generation, and later with simply increased volume of cell phone users.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:I know we bought our first "mobile phone" in 1989. I don't think they had been available for more than a yr or so before that.
Originally posted by tailz:
I'm curious if anybody here who has had a cell phone since they became popular can shed light on when each 'new generation' of technology came out.
Posted by butchieboo (Member # 12063) on :
OH I don't know...I've been popular....wayyyyy! Before these cell phones ever came out!
BB![[lol]](graemlins/lol.gif)
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
In 1946, a driver in St. Louis, Missouri placed a phone call -- it was the first AT&T mobile telephone call.
Although many consider the events in St. Louis in 1946 to be the beginning of wireless telephony, the first fully functioning digital cell phone system started in 1992 in Germany. A long ways from Faraday in the 18...something when he proved that vibrations of metal could be converted to electrical impulses.. Should have left things well enough alone ........
Take care.
Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
quote:WHY is it, you get in on "OUR" threads. YOU are definitely NOT popular here.
Originally posted by butchieboo:
OH I don't know...I've been popular....wayyyyy! Before these cell phones ever came out!
BB
YOU should start your own thread; call it: "My Brain is 'Open', come on in Spirochetes".
Since you are uninformed, those of US in the know, don't have any adulterated gel caps ingested in our systems.
We ONLY use PURE herbs, in veggie caps. NO fillers.
Get back to the earth, man; back to the earth!
IF you can't, how about flying away to whatever planet you came from?
Leave us to figure out the WAY for mankind to go.
Jim
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Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
Tailz wrote:
My mom used to have to use an outhouse growing up, for one thing.
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Heck, Tailz, "I" had to use the outhouse till I was 16. Can tell you all kinds of stories about outhouses. But won't right now.
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JIM:cool:
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Posted by Blackstone (Member # 9453) on :
And now, a word from our skeptic...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6914492.stm
This article just came out today. Science at work. Please note that they are NOT making any assumptions of long term effects, just short term ones.
Just some food for thought.
Also, that Block EMF site has conspicuously high prices ($550 for a 15" monitor "shield"?!!), and uses the trump cards of Alzheimer's and Depression. Lyme causes Alzheimer's. Mold Causes Alzheimers. EMF causes Alzheimer's, and so does MS, and Fibromyalgia. One or more of these could be true, but since nobody knows right now and there's no conducive evidence to suggest anything but Lyme (or a select few other infections and medical conditions), it seems to be used by everyone who wants to sell you something.
A few years years ago everything caused cancer and there were hundreds of sites that would sell you crystal energy generators to prevent it
The sheer volume of gear they have on here and the price makes it look suspicious. A wash for your clothes? Holsters and pocket shields? I could build you a complete Faraday cage for less than this! Maybe this really does help someone, but one has to question a site essentially selling expensive tinfoil hats.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
Lymetoo - It was in 1989 that we had our first ENORMOUS flea problem, and we only had one indoor cat.
And Gigi - In 1992 my ex and I started having marital problems, and by 1994, we split and I honestly think he was confused.
You're all going to think I'm weird here, but look at the disappearing honeybees and how some researchers are blaming cell phone technology on their inability to return to the hive. The queen bee is being left behind with her eggs, and a few immature male drones.
So how is this different from what is occurring in the typical American household? Men are leaving women behind with their eggs (children), never to return to the hive (home), and the only men left for women to choose from have yet to mature. Am I on to something here or what?
I say this jokingly, but I do believe this is exactly what is occurring. In fact, in either 'Cross Currents' or 'The Body Electric', Robert Becker sites studies that show that bees will start stinging each other when exposed to certain unnatural frequencies.
JimBob - I didn't know outhouses were that recent - sorry. lol I think you got my point though. We are spoiled and think we can't live without things that we've lived without for ions.
Blackstone - I pulled this from the article that 'proves' cell phones are not responsible for my illness:
"The study was funded by the Mobile Telecommunications and Health Research programme, a body which is itself funded by industry and government."
Now what about all the studies cited in 'Cross Currents' and 'The Body Electric' that prove otherwise?
And from my own experience, I know that when I was infusing and having to drive to Chadds Ford, I THOUGHT it was the air pollution that was making me ill - that is, UNTIL I started getting ill even on crystal clear days!
It was only then that I realized it was these frequencies that were making me sick. So if I was merely 'thinking' air pollution, the psychological theory doesn't hold ground here since I continued to get ill even on clear days when I know longer was stressing myself out over air pollution.
It truly scares me that they are discounting the few individuals in this experiment who were able to correctly and accurately identify when these signals were on. I guarantee I would be one of these! I can feel them!
Robert Becker cites studies that show that these unhealthy fields cause metals to redistribute in key organs, one being the brain!
I don't believe I have a mercury toxicity - I believe my iron and copper are just being shuffled around from these signals, making key nutrients essentially toxic heavy metals. And I don't think that I should have to suffer because most people are oblivious to the health effects from these signals.
cave - ha ha;) I admit - I had to read that one twice - I'm kind of slow today with the high humidity - it makes me 'conduct' more.
By the way, I wonder if they knew current caused problems when electricity first came out? - it would certainly explain terms we use explaining a child's 'conduct'.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
The one mistake made in every one of these experiments that claim these frequencies do not harm cells and are 'safe' is that, had researchers WAITED a period of time (I forget what it was - like 3 days after exposure - read 'Cross Currents'!), they would have found that there WERE in fact cellular changes and damage to DNA.
So true, no damage to DNA immediately after exposure. Therefore, quickly file industry-funded report stating that the experiment has 'proven' safety. And technically, it did! That's the sick part!
But wait a few days and examine exposed cells? Bingo! Plenty of damage. Still feel safe?
And once again they are assuming that tissue must change temperature in order to be affected.
So I can take a knife to the wall right now, but as long as there is no temperature change, everything will be cool, right?
Posted by Blackstone (Member # 9453) on :
3 days doesn't seem to be a difficult to observe lead-time. I have some contacts in the research community. I'll ask if anyone would be interested in researching short term delayed reaction. This shouldn't be that difficult to test. We need to find similar studies, but until we do... most of the "pro" camps seem to use pseudo-science or invoke other principles of energy that would have to be true for their underlying hypothesis to be valid.
Oh, and here's a little bit of a personal anecdotal account. This is not scientific or meant to prove anything, as its a very small sample. I've installed WiFi (wireless internet) networks in a variety of places. Like others, I noticed that after they were installed and up and running certain people began to complain of different symptoms: Everything from headache and fatigue, to just hearing an electromagnetic noise they can't stand.
I was a bit concerned about this, but after another technological renovation, I left the WiFi access points in plain view, but as they were unused, I turned them off. And left them off for several weeks. The complaints blamed on the WiFi continued. As soon as I've told them I've "Just" turned them off, they reported they were feeling much better. A few days later I turned them back on again, and the objections didn't resume! Not a single one.
This isn't scientific, but it has to at least suggest there's a strong placebo effect here. If people have been told something is bad for them, they feel bad. That's not to say that they're not really feeling sick, they are.
I believe there are people who are sensitive to electromagnetic interference, but the numbers have to be relatively minute. I'm far from the first one to mess around with this anecdotal experiment, but the data always seems to come out the same?
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
Blackstone - Do these researchers know Dr. Robert Becker by any chance? They need to read his books because I haven't yet found the part that implicated the experiment that showed there was a DELAY in the change in cellular DNA after EMF exposure, and I honestly forget what that delay was.
In fact, it's possible there was DNA damage from just ordinary house current exposure (60hz). In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what it was. And remember here, the government - specifically, the military - was involved in determining which studies were included as scientific 'fact', and which ones were tossed by the wayside.
And with everything going on in the world today, we ought to be concerned. I mean, what IF we knew these signals were dangerous from the get-go, but just went ahead to keep up with the rest of the world? In fact, I have no doubt this is what happened.
I believe, with the examples you gave, that there could be some placebo effect going on in your neighborhood, but NOT initially anyway, from what you describe. I know I lived fairly close to a nuclear power plant for many years, and even the children were coming down with rare things - strokes, Down's, leukemia - yet still they stand because one life here and one life there doesn't seem to matter.
And my own example, beyond my driving experiences - when I would arrive at the doctor's office where I initially began infusing, I would be fine if they took me right back to the infusion room or if they would put me in an exam room - at least for the first few minutes - then the fluorescent lights would bother me.
But if they put me in the room where they would change my dressing, holy cow did my personality change within seconds, and I had virtually no control.
I didn't know what it was at the time, but in retrospect, there was a computer monitor on the counter in that particular room. Maybe there were even cell phones in there, since many of the nurses would grab their purses from the cabinets in those rooms. I will never know for sure.
I am slightly less sensitive to EMFs than I was, but that doesn't say much. And ONLY since I had taken oral EDTA which chelates metals, including iron and copper.
Coincidentally, after taking EDTA for a short period of time, the copper splotches in my green eyes began to fade. In fact, there is no longer ANY copper in my left eye, and much less copper in my right eye.
I believe this would explain why some people are able to detect these fields, whereas others are totally oblivious to them.
But please, get these researchers to do something, even if they have to follow me. PLEASE get them to contact this researcher, Dr. Robert Becker. I know this is what I am sensing. And it explains everything that never made any sense.
Even the SPECT scan I had done before I knew EMFs were the problem. I BARELY survived that on my head for 45 minutes. I thought I was going to die right there.
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
My own personal experience was this...
I was talking on a cell phone while driving to school to pick up my daughter. I was about 2/3's of the way there when suddenly my brain felt like it was swimming. I was so dizzy I had to pull off of the road. This feeling continued for a few hours.
I have never experienced anything even remotely like this before. And it happened again on another occassion.
There are newer models now, and also headphones, which may have solved the problem. I also understand this is a one-woman study. But since I was the subject, and the experience was as real as anything I have ever felt, I chose not to use cell phones and it has not happened ever since.
I used to be sensitive to computers and other things that gave off EMFs. But that stopped when my immune system got stronger. Though I think we could be better off without them, some of these other EMF sensitivities might be part of the illness and can improve in time. But again, this is also just a one-woman study.
Claire
[ 27. July 2007, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: clairenotes ]
Posted by Vanilla (Member # 11155) on :
The batteries can also over heat and cause problems. Nokia had problem batteries for a while. I was forced to temp in a cell phone store briefly and they told me the Nokia batteries did over heat on some phones. People use to complain about burning their ear on their cell phone.
Posted by butchieboo (Member # 12063) on :
Blackstone,lymetoo,cavey...lets see...did I leave anyone out?
Brother.
I guess we could bring up any study that is out there proving cellphones and the like are not a
problem. They will be immediately ignored by those that wish to ignore them, that's just how they think.
Just like in the old, OLD, days...You remember those don't ya there JB?
When people thought the world was flat and anyone sailing west would fall off the earth.
Tailz, I don't know why your hubby left...it happens a lot in this disease. It's a shame.
J.B. Just who the heck are you to determine who should and who should'nt use this website and any thread?
Has someone elected you to the position of high pooBah of lymenet or something?
Where does this nasty, pugnacious attitude come
from. I'll assume it has something to do with lyme disease and your obvious success at treating it with supplements.
It's done wonders for your disposition.
It's either that or some of that sawdust is drying up the organ you think with. Perhaps a good laxative would free up your thinking and make you a little more docile.
That is if you've finally gotten indoor plumbing in your house. Ya know, you could be suffering from that rare Australian spider that
lives under toilet seats and bites you everytime you use the john!
Trust me on this one JB. That whirlpool effect that happens when you tug on the handle won't hurt you...just don't stare at it a long time....vertigo you know!
Course in Australia that would be ogitrev! LOL!
I really thought I was giving good advice!
I mean think about it!
A guy would'nt keep going to the medicine cabinet and drinking a bottle labled "POISON" now would he?
NO!
So, again, please turn off all of your electronic gear. Especially the computer. My gawd people, I can't imagine the death rays
you're exposing yourselves to just sitting in one spot stareing at these things.
THIMK!! IF you always thought that you were endangered by technology and progress you always will live in fear.
Fear of the same technology that may one day cure mankind of all his woes.
Example; NANO-MICROBIOTICS...little machines that will traverse the human body and kill the things that kill us.
I don't know(addressed to the trio that started this post.
Ya dress em up and send em to school....??
Cept, maybe in JB's one room schoolhouse setting....or was it a commune??
Now don't get all CAPITAL letters and bold font with exclamation marks on me there son...
it scares me so!
an old military term...
"LEAD......FOLLOW.........OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!
BB
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
Yes... the phone was 'hot' both times.
Claire
Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
I think if we could turn this thread into a TV game show, we could make some serious money. Maybe even lure Bob Barker out of retirement.
Call it "Wheel Of Lyme".
Two teams of contestents, the conventional scientifics, and those who are better read.
The Wheel would be spun to a question about Lyme
with both conventional and alternative possible answers. Each side would select a spokesperson
to deliver the response.
The winner would be the side whose answer cames closest to the audience's highest percentage answer.
The show would alternate weeks between Hollywood
and Berkley.
No shortage of sponsers I think.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
Hmmm, gameshow? I kind of like that.
BB - I didn't put that part in about leaving anybody out in an attempt to hurt anybody's feelings. This is why my secret wish is that one day God causes all computers to EXPLODE.
I truly can't stand technology. Maybe I'm alone, but that wouldn't be the first time.
I just do not believe we will ever cure anything with technology. There will always be a 'new' bug - I just saw a post about a Q fever epidemic in NY. Need I say more?
Posted by butchieboo (Member # 12063) on :
The conventional and the "BETTER READ"...oh come now...
Don't you mean "WELL READ"?
It does'nt matter...there's a few other booboo's
I guess we can chalk that up to lyme...or your toaster being on...
or something!
That's OK Tailz. I know what it's like to be misinterpreted(now I know that can't be spelled correctly)!! or is it !!!! by now.
Yeah, Cavey....I think it might have been a freak freq., that sent a blip accross one of my eye toothy fillings and I could'nt see what I was typeing!
ONWARD
BB
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
Found this:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/kidszone/faqs_cellphones.html
What year were cell phones invented?
In 1973 Martin Cooper invented the first cell phone. It weighed two pounds! Because they were so big and expensive, at first cell phones were only used by the military and businesses. By 1983 they were smaller and much less expensive and used by more people in the general population.
I don't know if you remember, but I sure do - the blizzard of 1983. I wonder if cell phones affect the weather?
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
I found this, too:
http://iq.lycos.co.uk/qa/show/277/Who+invented+wireless+internet%3F/
Who invented wireless internet?
Wireless technology was invented as long ago as 1991 in the Netherlands. The head of this project was Vic Hayes who has been named the father of Wi-Fi.
After graduating an electrical engineering degree and about to start mandatory military service he impressed his interviewers in a psychological assessment to such an extent that he was put on an officer programme in radar and radio techology.
When in the commercial world he also inveted some of the techniques that are integral to sending and receiving emails
He is currently 61 years old and the senior scientist at Agere.
I don't know about you guys, but all these years were pretty significant years for me 'energy-wise'.
In 1983 I threw my life up in the air for a guy. And by 1991 I was on Prozac. Coincidence? Hmmm, I don't think so.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
Cave, I can't tell if you are joking or not. lol
I know I was NOT. I look at it this way - if charged particles in the atmosphere can trigger thunderstorms when conditions are ripe, I imagine this excess charge we send into the atmosphere via cell phones and wireless could also affect weather patterns.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
I-pods if held too close to the body can turn off pacemakers.
It was in the news.
Electrical interference.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/05/11/ipod.pacemaker.study/
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
cave - No, I'm with you - I can't tell if I'm joking or not sometimes either. I think it's a part of my Lyme. lol
Marnie - See, if Ipods can mess with pacemakers, I have trouble understanding why scientists can't seem to 'grasp' that these electronic devices are behind - I'm going to just come out and say it - ALL HUMAN WOES.
Crime. Greed. Divorce. You name it. The core reason originates with these fields.
Posted by Boomerang (Member # 7979) on :
Crime. Greed. Divorce. You name it. The core reason originates with these fields.
You have got to be kidding me. Cell phones cause divorce and crime? What caused those same things before cell phones?
[ 30. July 2007, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: Boomerang ]
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
boomerang - I'm sorry - you are correct. It isn't just cell phones and wireless. When was electricity invented?
How many divorces were there before the discovery of the 60hz alternating current in use in our homes today? Crime rates? Truancy?
IF BEES CAN BEGIN STINGING EACH OTHER WHEN EXPOSED TO MANMADE ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS, WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE IT COULD BE DOING TO HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND RELATIONSHIPS?
I am placing the blame right where it belongs.
Posted by 8man12 (Member # 7664) on :
Gotta watch what kind of tiolet tissue you use also,if you take too much to wipe with,it causes baboon butt.
No wonder there is sites like quackwatch.
And the IDSA laughing about this illness.
Thats why they send lyme patients too psychiatrists.
Posted by butchieboo (Member # 12063) on :
Yep definitely,
You have to get up pretty early in the morning to shovel the snow. It's noticeably colder say around 530AM, when all is quiet and most are still sleeping.
Then about 8AM, after alot of people have been awake awhile, the temperatur starts going up.
Toasters,coffee pots, all manner of electrical devices that emitt EMF's and electrical impulses, start radiating these forces into the atmosphere.
It'll certainly have some effect on our brains and bodies!
Just look at what you can do with a potato! Plug some wires in and play your radio.
The electrical energy produced by the carbohydrates in the potato's create electricity! Right!?
Then look at what happens to our lymie bodies and minds when we eat too many carbs! We're generating electricity...walking talkin batteries.
Of course if you look really close under the best of microscopes, you'll see what I'm talking about.
There are little, teenie, tiny bolts in the necks of the spirochetes,and even though they've gone dormant...
Well now, we supply electrical energy to these little bolts and just like the good doctor was trying to tell us years ago....IT'S ALIVE! IT'S ALIVE!
Frankenchetes or Spirosteins!
That's it!
That's gotta be it!
I mean, just look at how much havoch was generated in someone who ate too many TWINKIES.
Geez, the amount of EMF this guy must have generated, must have been immense.
The writting's been on the walls all along and we have'nt been paying attention. Which is probably some other government mass hypnosis thing!
Just watch any of those documentaries of the late 30's and early 40's that Hollywood put out under the disguise of horror flicks.
You know like warning us all of the dangers of electromagnetic forces.
They just could'nt come out and say it was the truth...they had to make believe it was just all make believe. Otherwise, the government would have censured these brilliant expose's.
Dang, Tailz,
I think you've really uncovered something.
You've opened up a can of worms that washington and Russia and probably all the governments everywhere have kept from the general public.
Exactly!
Way to go there tailz!
BB
Posted by Blackstone (Member # 9453) on :
While I'm at least somewhat open that certain EMF frequencies can cause damage in certain situations, the fact that all of society's woes can be based on EMF, is simply not true. Think about it logically.
People divorced, murdered each other, and generally treated each other as badly as they do now, often times worse, before human-generated EMFs were in existence. Atilla the Hun didn't live under an AT&T tower. The Crusades didn't happen because the power lines over the Vatican were messing with the Pope.
I'm going to say this because it needs to be said, but I'm afraid that you have lost a lot of credibility with these statements. This is a shame because I've seen you say some helpful things. This exactly the kind of stuff people point at when they try to say that "Chronically Ill" people are bat**** crazy; conspiracy theorists who simply need to be grounded in reality by a big handful of pills. They will lump all of us in as part of the "Tinfoil hat brigade" who insist that everything from chemtrails to aliens are making us sick, and dismiss our illness just as quickly.
This kind of stuff hurts everyone, from those of us who just want to get better, to our appearance to those we're trying to plead to support our fight towards a faster, better cure. We need to bring forward evidence supported claims that can and will be verified by the exact same methodology that "conventional" medicine is. However, a "cloud" of panic or conspiracy theory does nothing to help us, and obscures the view of well merited theories.
Maybe you're herxing, maybe you're not feeling well. I don't think you're stupid, you've obviously put a lot of thought and passion into this. However, please try and take a step back and look at what you're saying.
[ 29. July 2007, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: Blackstone ]
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Where do you get an EMF meter from? How do they work?
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
We are exposed to a HUGE "electomagnetic spectrum"...fortunately and unfortunately.
Light, sound, radiation, etc....are all a part of it.
We MUST have these "negative charges" to survive.
Without light alone...all life would cease to exist.
But this spectrum is...or is supposed to be... kept in balance by various things...the ozone layer is a biggie.
This is ultimately the balance between negative and positive charges...ying, yang, black, white, yes, no, on, off, good, evil...
Our bodies FUNCTION via elements that have different "charges".
"Electrolytes"....Primary ones: K+, Na+, Ca+, Mg+.
Working in concert with a lot of "negative" charges...Cl- is a biggie.
Lightning (very powerful negative charge) releases nitrogen.
This is all about balance.
We are supposed to be slightly alkaline.
At death, there is apparently a final flash of "white light" that comes from our bodies.
Both Aluminum and Magnesium burn with a white light...very hot...used to start other minerals to burn - basis of fireworks.
People who use Kirlin to see the "aura" that surrounds us (blue light)supposedly can see areas that are "sick".
Phosphorus...Mg-ATP is kapoot? ATP = Adenosine 5'-tri phosphate Final "flare" of energy released.
Ancora Imparo.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
BB - I kind of like you this post. Go figure?![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Blackstone - I guarantee the major increases in violence, divorce, and so forth coincide with the introduction of some NEW technology. Just examining my own psychiatric and medical history:
Cell phones were invented in 1973, and by 1983, were in pretty widespread use - I developed the likes of an eating disorder right in the middle of this time period - I think it was around 1977. I also developed SEVERE OCD during this time period.
By 1983, the northeast had their very first MAJOR blizzard, and if you remember that time period, blizzards became the 'norm' there for awhile. Am I blaming blizzards on technology? Yep.
Wireless was discovered in 1991. This was the year I ended up going on antidepressants for the very FIRST time in my life, and it only got worse after this, with each 'new' technology or 'generation' of technology. I was darn near suicidal, and my OCD grew to new ULTRA-PARALYZING proportions by 1991, too!
And though violence, greed, divorce, etc... existed BEFORE electricity, how do you know people weren't evil like this because they were messing with some other aspect of nature?
For instance, maybe eating pork and shellfish causes evil, too? I'm not kidding either - imagine the parasites a pig must have. People begin ingesting these pig parasites - then expose themselves to manmade EMFs. Bingo. Charles Manson is born.
And I hope I didn't lose more 'credibility' here by saying this, but seriously, I can't say that earning credibility on this forum by following the status quo has ever been a goal for me.
This is what I BELIEVE to be true - there IS scientific evidence that these bugs can cause behavior and personality changes - are you disputing that?
There IS scientific evidence that manmade EMFs can cause bugs and toxins to cross the blood-brain barrier. It's only LOGICAL then that EMFs could potentially be behind many of mankinds woes.
cave - You're right - electricity was DISCOVERED, not invented.
I think you're wrong though in assuming that the LDA and ILADS know everything here. They are CLOSE, but definitely OFF, in my opinion.
For one thing, most of the mail I get from them has yet to correct the misnomer 'tickborne disease'. Now I could 'behave' and just let newbies here believe that ticks were the only carriers, but then I WOULD be guilty of a grave injustice to all Lymies.
I received an email that, in NJ, they are thinking of calling for a deer kill to control Lyme. I do not believe that this is the solution, and I honestly have a hunch that will make things even WORSE for humans.
Look at the disappearing honeybees - I've read that they've found they are infected with mites. I've read that they are infected with a type of fungus. I've read that they are infected with EVERY parasite they have ever been exposed to - three different theories for their demise!
One scientist comes along and claims cell phones are to blame for their not returning to the hive and becoming ill, yet that theory is blasted.
My fear with the honeybees is the same as my fears concerning Lyme - that yes! these honeybees ARE infected with mites, fungus, and virtually every parasite they have ever come in contact with, but the core REASON these infections are destroying their immune systems is MANMADE EMFS.
I fear it will take some pretty serious food shortages for scientists to pull their one-track, chemicals-cause-everything heads out of the ground.
And consider this - I almost dated a mechanic once. He said that when he diagnoses a mechanical problem, he consider 3 things. Unfortunately, I can only remember 2 of them. lol Maybe somebody else knows the third?
He said you must consider FUEL and SPARK. Unfortunately, of those 2 that I remember, scientists have yet to address the possibility that humans may have a 'spark' problem. That to me is pretty dumb and exactly where they lost all credibility with me.
Finally, I have no experience with stetzer filters, but here is some info on them.
http://getpurepower.ca/products.html
[ 04. August 2007, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: Jenifer ]
Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
Actually, human brain waves and neural interactions are electromagnetic, so it this energy that is the cause of all of society's problems.
Posted by butchieboo (Member # 12063) on :
Tailz,
If you indeed respect others inteligence...why oh why do you constantly ignore their advice.
You seem to be a touch confused as to what is a compulsion and obsession.
You're attempting to diagnose yourself...which is something that a truly sick individual would do in order to arrive at their own conclusions.
I may have to start going along with Cavey...
You and JB don't care about anything at all accept keeping people occupied with endless threads.
Oh yes, perhaps one other thing. Putting stuff on threads and posts that are so far fetched that anyone who would quote "a lymenet source or contributor" could claim that we are all a bunch of nutbags...
BB
[ 04. August 2007, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: Jenifer ]
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
quote:Heck that was Al Gore
Originally posted by tailz:
I found this, too:
Who invented wireless internet?
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
boomerang - I'm sure newbies will feel really welcome here with a post like that.
If you don't like my posts, just ignore them. Simple. Not everybody feels the same as you do.
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
This disease can be extremely overwhelming and especially if you believe that EMF's are the entire cause because there really is no easy solution other than small changes we can make in our homes.
But there are things we do have control over, like choices of what to put into our bodies, and smoking adds a great burden!
This article includes a list of the toxins in cigarettes as identified by the Department of Health. Please note each one with special attention to the metals:
http://www.medicalpoint.com.au/the-toxins-in-cigarettes.asp
If an active mind needs something to do (which is one way of looking at OCD) let it be to change the things we do have control over, that will be fruitful. And you still have a lot of opportunities to increase your health! Let this be your single-minded focus or preoccupation.
Because, unfortunately, lyme demands from us a fairly pure existence. It is not very forgiving when we add more problems to the mix. What comes as a surprise, however, is that the changes we make can have an extremely profound effect, even small ones. And this provides the motivation to keep on going.
I feel this is a 'bootstrap' thing!
Claire
Posted by butchieboo (Member # 12063) on :
Gee thanks Claire,
I wholeheartedly disagree with you as far as smoking being a "bootstrap" thing!
Smoking is an addiction.
Physical and psychological.
Furthermore.
I,Personally,don't think one can pinpoint or intentionally direct one's O/C behavior, to accomplish what you have suggested.
If I have misunderstood. And your comment and attachment of "bootstrap" as being not just pertaining to her, quitting smoking, but to encompass and modify, her whole lifestyle.
Then I must confess. I don't see how someone as sick as she could be expected to "pull herself up by the bootstraps", as it were, by any stretch of the imagination.
Have you, Claire, ever been REALLY addicted to anything.
Have you ever been, REALLY, mentally ill?
Please!
Bootstraps indeed!
BB
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
1976-1981 -- one pack of cigarettes per day
1979-1990 -- anxiety and panic attacks
I hope my c.v. is satisfactory enough to make my own opinions somewhat credible to you.
Sometimes just changing the focus of our preoccupations can be of great help such as becoming actively involved in researching and learning other ways in which one can improve health, whether through necessary medications, remedies, etc., and/or making behavior changes. Switching focus, in itself, can sometimes be an act of will (a bootstrap thing).
And physical changes in health have been known to have profound effects on mental well-being, such as quitting smoking. I would not use the term mental illness here because I do not think it applies.
Claire
Posted by listenswithcare (Member # 10719) on :
So, I checked into this thread to read about "Damage from Cell Phones".
Seems like no one is talking about that here much lately. Maybe we can get back on track?
Robin
Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
Tailz:
The KEY word here is "surrounded". You are NOT putting them into your lungs. AND/OR the rest of your body. As you do with the putrid smoke.
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Quote by Tailz:
clairenotes - Thanks for the link. The problem is not one of those chemicals found in cigarettes is exclusive to cigarettes alone. I started looking up other sources of each one of these compounds, and I'm literally surrounded by every one of them, whether or not I continue to smoke.
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Jim
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
By the way, I have always held my phone to the left side of my head. And up until recently, I'd been using a cordless phone - which is every bit as LETHAL to humans.
Posted by Health (Member # 6034) on :
Tailz,
How long have you been EMF sensitive?
I started to get EMF sensitive January 5th, 2006, It started to get better when I was in Babesia treatment, then went back on lyme antibiotics.
I now have EMF really bad again, it started up again after 6 weeks of Rifampin, I dont know why, I am waiting for teh LLMD to treat me again for babesia, this made it better, it has been a living HELL to have it again, and it makes one just go INSANE.
INSANE, and if it goes on too long, I would think one could go nuts from it, one cannot go anywhere really, you become obessive about things, like you are,
so, I know that it can make one nuts because of being so ill, you go nuts from being ill from it, because you cannot take it anymore,
just like being sick all the time,
I am telling you what helped me, I told you to try babesia treatment,
Get your LLMD to get you on clindamycin and quinine.
Minocycline made my EMF worse sometimes, I dont know why, it exacerbated it.
Clindamycin and quinine allowed me to watch TV again, are you sick from TV?
or computers? Clindamyinc and quinine got me better so I could talk on PHONE, and TV and computer.
Minocycline made it worse sometimes.
Try the combo I suggest, and then see what happens.
or Mepron and a macrolide.
Plaquinil and minocyline I took for EMF for a while and it made me SOOOOO sick from EMF, it made me worse,
Try the combo that made me better from EMF,
I told you to do this, it made me better, why are you not doing it?
WHY? really, what is the reason,
why live the EMF hell if you dont have to???
Are you thinking that EMF is the cause of you?
I personally dont think so, it is low immune or screwed up system, otherwise everyone woudl be sick,
and everyone is NOT, I live with others and know others that are sane and well from EMF.
ALSO, how many cigarettes do you smoke a day?
Trish
[ 02. August 2007, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Health ]
Posted by minimonkey (Member # 8693) on :
This thread is all over the map!
I do know, though, that there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that a certain percentage of chronically ill people are particularly sensitive to EMFs -- much more so than the average, healthy person.
If any of you are truly interested, do some reading on electromagnetic psychotronic weapons... I mean true research -- go to the patent office, and look up the patents -- read about the testing/use of various electromagnetic frequencies with the intent of disturbing human behavior, beaming thoughts into peoples' heads, etc. THIS IS NOT MADE UP! Look into the research that was being done during the cold war (and beyond), funded by our government/CIA, with just such intent. Google "electronic warfare" for starters, and look into the research on cold-war era mind control experiments.... this stuff exists, and I doubt it would have been developed and funded if some of the greatest minds in science didn't think there was some validity to it.
Look, too, into HAARP, GWEN, VTERPE -- our atmosphere is being bombarded constantly by EMFs -- and I fear that cell phones are the least of our worries in that regard....
I know I probably sound like a conspiracy nut, to those who are not in the know about this stuff -- but if you do the reading, from the standpoint of a careful and methodical researcher, it is difficult to dismiss this issue out of hand.
I'm not of the mind that all of society's problems have been caused by EMFs, by any means ... but they can't be good for us, especially in huge doses. For folks who are EMF sensitive, they can be a living hell.
Please, folks -- can we have some respect for one another? Anyone who has lived with these conditions for any length of time has probably embarked on a search for an answer to his or her problems.... and sometimes that leads us off the traditional medical research path, and into other avenues.
One final thought: If we were to accept the mainstream literature wholesale, without questioning it or doing any further reading, we'd all believe that chronic lyme didn't exist, and that anything left over after a few weeks' treatment was "post-lyme syndrome", or fibromyalgia, or hypochondriasis, or some such thing.
If you are going to speak to these topics, please: First, do the reading, and then(as JimBoB so wisely says)
THINK
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
I've heard that, too! That our government was experimenting with frequencies they found were capable of altering human behavior.
Do I have proof that any of it is true? Nope. Not yet. But you better believe I'm going to do some more reading up on it before I trash the theory - as far out there as it may seem.
And your logic shines through when you remind us that 'mainstream' science denies the existence of chronic Lyme. That's enough for me.
You don't happen to have any websites in particular about these patents and so forth, do you?
Posted by lymesblue (Member # 3550) on :
Butch E Boo!
I think you should eat some more twinkies! This way we can be sure that you will no longer make such rude comments on this board!
Posted by lymesblue (Member # 3550) on :
Butch E Boo!
I think you should eat some more twinkies! This way we can be sure that you will no longer make such rude comments on this board!
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
I don't think my metals are going to go anywhere. Why? Because I NEED iron and copper to survive, and these dangerous fields are causes these necessary nutrients (metals) to behave in a way that is unnatural.
Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
Good Post Vision. I KNOW sitting at the computer is really bad for my vision. IT gets blurred after a couple hours here. When i am away from it it is good.
Glad I got an LCD Tv in here now.
Do the screens give off all the EMF's or does the actual PC give it off too. IF I got rid of these CRT's would my problem be cut in half or more, or what?
Thanks,
jim.
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
....If you didn't have all this stuff you wouldn't know you shouldn't have it so you'd undoubtedly go out and buy it only to find out you ought to get rid of it but then how would you know what stuff to get rid of if you did???
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
Hmmmm! I think your right. But not sure. If I did not have what I am not suppose to have I would not know I am not supposed to have it.
I think your on to something. But I am not sure what it is. That ought to help the brain fog just thinking about it.
D Bergy
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
So what's a better way to go-sticking my head in a gas oven, or sticking my head in a microwave?
If the answer's a microwave I need to go out and get a bigger one.
BTW- who here has a microwave? Now tell the truth Tailz.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
Microwave your head or use the gas oven? I guess that would depend if you would wish to brown your head to a nice golden color or just cook it.
D Bergy
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