SForsgren
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I saw this in another post from "tailz" and found it to be a good resource. I do think that this is another thing that adds to the many problems those of us with chronic illness have to contend with....and hopefully take action to eliminate exposure.
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.....and the one I sent you yesterday, Scott, that you put up on your website because I am too computer-illiterate to bring it here with the pictures.
Am presently trying to find the background of this - I don't doubt it for a second, because I have met some of the really, really sick children that did improve in big ways once the EMF was addressed.
Take care.
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Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
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Stop staring at your computer screen, right now.
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quote:Originally posted by ByronSBell 2007: Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
I've read that the increase in temperature can cause infertility...but that would be temporary, as when the temperature goes back to normal, the sperm would mature normally.
Byron, that probably wouldn't be a concern to you right now, unless you're trying to start a family.
Carol
p.s. I looked at the pdf of the two cell phones on either side of the egg, apparently causing the temperature to rise enough to cook the eggwhite.
I don't see that this "experiment" would apply to one's brain.
First, we wouldn't have a cell phone on either side of the head, just on one side.
Second, blood flow through the brain regulates the temperature, so that it wouldn't get high enough to "cook" the brain cells.
You cannot apply that demonstration to your brain, at least not in the way they show.
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I don't recall the details but have heard Dr. K mention laptops on the lap as not a good thing and some special pad one can get to help. It is still a device emitting EMFs that is right next to your body. Probably not in our top 10 list of things to worry about and I sometimes use the laptop similarly, but I doubt it is risk free.
I did btw stop using cell phone held to my head a couple of weeks ago and use a headset designed for eliminating the concerns as much as possible.
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Get rid of cordless phones--constant microwave emission. Don't put the laptop on your lap!!! And try to use it with the battery when using it near yourself. Try to minimize cellphone use.
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I bought a diode to put on my cell phone. Energy testing shows it is effective, but then agian you have to believe in energy testing to believe it is effective (LOL) Hiker
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I am a believer
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I heard on a KPFA radio to not allow children to use cell phones because it is harder on their your brains and bodies and to not use a cell phone while you have a child in your car.
I do not like taking public buses sometimes because there are so many people talking on their cell phones and listening to their conversations which you can not help but over hear because they raise their voices they are talking about pretty much nothing.
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Think "accumulation". Not only the energy intensity, but also the length of time being exposed play an important role.
Take care.
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Guys,
The 'cell phone cooking an egg' photo is a total hoax, and has been discredited multiple times when no one else has succeeded in replicating the supposed 'experiment'. ALso, the original source of the misinformation has since admitted it was a hoax.
quote:Comments: The "news" that radio frequency emissions from a pair of cell phones can be harnessed for cooking caused quite a stir in the blogosphere when it broke last February. Skeptics insisted it was impossible -- that the slight wattage emitted by mobile phones isn't strong or consistent enough to heat an object to cooking temperature. Some tried to replicate the experiment, without success. Others investigated the original source of the information, the Wymsey Village Web, and questioned its authenticity. Mightn't the name "Wymsey" be a clue?
Sure enough, the site's Webmaster, one Charles Ivermee of Southampton, U.K., stepped forward to acknowledge authorship of the article and confirm that its content was purely satirical, not factual. "It was 6 years ago," Ivermee told Gelf Magazine, "but I seem to recall that there was a lot of concern about people's brains getting fried and being from a radio/electronics background I found it all rather silly. So I thought I'd add to the silliness." He expressed bewilderment at how seriously people seemed to be taking it. One British exam study site, he said, had republished the information without even attempting to verify it.
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quote:Dial and error
New York Times food writer Paul Adams, who specializes in testing unconventional cooking methods (he's your man if you want to learn how to poach a salmon in the dishwasher), tried Ivermee's tongue-in-cheek recipe in March 2006. "I stood an egg in an egg cup between two short stacks of books," he wrote. "With my new Treo 650 I called my old Samsung cellphone, answering it when it rang. I laid the two phones on the books so their antennas pointed at the egg."
It didn't work. After 90 minutes the egg was still cold. "Clearly, people are eager to have their technophobias confirmed," Adams observed, "but a cellphone's power output is half a watt at most, less than a thousandth of what a typical microwave oven emits."
At about the same time, reportedly, the hosts of the U.K. TV show "Brainiac: Science Abuse" attempted a more dramatic version of the experiment, arraying 100 cell phones around a single egg and dialing them up all at once. The result? At the end of the "cooking" process, the egg wasn't even warm.
Apparently this hoax has recently gotten new life because of being published in a Russian tabloid and on the Web as a result.
I'm surprised that Snopes.com doesn't have an entry on it yet, it's such an old hoax.
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But I think the mistake some of you are making is in the assumption that as long as the brain is not being OVERHEATED or COOKED by cell phones, everything is aok.
The problem is that cell phones are causing microorganisms and toxins to cross the blood-brain barrier, regardless of temp. In some ways, I think I'd prefer my brain be cooked as opposed to eaten by microorganisms.
And whether it was due to temperature increases or microorganisms and toxins crossing the blood-brain barrier, my ex had a tumor removed back in February - brain tumor.
I don't even like using this computer due to microwave radiation, but I keep emailing researchers in an attempt to find one who will listen.
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Oh my gosh! How did I miss that?
It cooked the egg? And people here still want their cell phones?
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Whether this egg was cooked or not - ?? Most of you (and I) are being slow-cooked right now.
That's the reason I am getting off now to cook our dinner - in the microwave - in a glass pot - over a wood fire - charcoal fire - paraffin candle - or what??
Take care.
P.S. Get yourself a body voltage meter and an electric field finder and check your home.
I did the other night - Findings: No place is completely safe, and pulling the fuses into the bedrooms is most effective for voltage. At night - being exposed in one spot for hours - is where the damage begins. We long ago got rid of cordless phones. Now, instead, I pull the phones off the desks with loud bangs if I want to be multi-tasking.
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quote:Originally posted by ByronSBell 2007: Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
ONLY if you are a rapist. THEN the innocent will become safe.
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Um, Jim- read the reference I provided.
If you dont believe me, try it yourself. It should be easy enough to get a couple of friends with cell phones to try this if you're convinced it's real.
Also, for those new to the Internet, Snopes investigates urban legends and writes up the results whatever the results are (ie there are 'true' and 'false' entries there).
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quote:Is is safe for me to have a laptop in my lap?
I have heard about infertility thing, but what about hot bath and sauna, these can cause infertility too ?
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So, although this story has spread far and wide, and some of the sites on which it has been published still claim it to be true, in reality, it has no basis in fact. You cannot cook an egg with a pair of mobile phones. You cannot cook an egg with a pair of mobile phones From here: Also I watched a episode on Mythbusters it didnt cook it there either.
That said I dont own one if i did i would use a earpiece. Theres way more chance driving and answering or talking on a cell phone youll die in a car crash.
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I've not investigated whether or not this works myself. I may at some point. This experiment is not something I have looked into at this point myself.
That said, I do think the evidence is mounting that cell phones are not good for us. How bad seems to still be the question, but I'd rather not find out by self-inflicting a brain tumor that I could have avoided. I'm the first to admit that I have used a cell phone for years but am limiting exposure to it and using a headset designed to protect us.
I got my RF3 headset (still in route) from blockemf.com if anyone is interested.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Now, instead, I pull the phones off the desks with loud bangs if I want to be multi-tasking.
could you explain "loud bangs"??
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Gigi - I'm moving in with you! I'm not kidding here - my house is NOT safe. The grocery store is NOT safe.
And until I can find a place safe to work (that doesn't evoke symptoms in me), I can't afford to buy the device to test what I already know - we are being nuked to death, 24/7 - no matter where we are!!!
I'm still painfully surprised how many people think that just because no apparent 'cooking' is present, no damage is being done. That's just scary to me, and most likely the reason very few additional studies get the needed funding.
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It is not on their site yet, but the latest LEF magazine (lef.org) also had a good article on the dangers of cell phone use and even they are now offering a meter to measure EMF exposure.
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quote:Originally posted by MariaA: Um, Jim- read the reference I provided.
If you dont believe me, try it yourself. It should be easy enough to get a couple of friends with cell phones to try this if you're convinced it's real.
Also, for those new to the Internet, Snopes investigates urban legends and writes up the results whatever the results are (ie there are 'true' and 'false' entries there).
Maria: I NEVER said I DID believe it, did I? Actually I don't, without reading anything. However I do believe they will fry your brain, sort of, if you use them long enough. And there are studies on cops with and WHAT their phone and radar guns are doing to them, especially the guns they keep in their laps.
And NO i can't "easily" find a couple friends with CELL phones. I have never owned one and never will. I have used a few in an emergency on the road from customers, but I did NOT like them at all.
AND it irks me to no end to see people using them when they are SUPPOSED to be driving on the freeway. It is VERY surprising there are not MORE accidents than there are these days.
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Gigi do you have a URL for the meter?
Scott & others, I hate to say that I've concluded cordless are worse! Why? Because its 24/7 exposure. When I researched it I was really quite upset. These satellite phones, 5.8 and 6.0 ghz, are dangerous. Most people don't use their cellphones that much. I might use mine 5-10 minutes a day at most. If people are going to use them a lot they should get a special headset or use them on speakerphone. But when a cellphone is not in use it only occasionally picks up a signal and sends out an EMF (you'll see it flash for a moment). The cordless never stop. And you've noticed how they get fuzzy when you're within a few feet of your microwave? What does that say to you?
I have a Panasonic KX-TS620W. It's great. It has a speakerphone, a headset jack, nice big keys, and caller ID though not backlit (I suspect the backlit may generate EMF's?).
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Oxygenbabe, I can accept your opinion here. Dr. K has also suggested that cordless phones are even worse. I just ordered a meter to measure EMF and will try to see what I can learn from that...
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Actually, the file is not linked from my site at all at this point. GiGi simply asked how she could share a file attachment and I copied the file there so that it could be shared. Other than via this post, it is not available through the site.
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Lymetoo,
Could I explain a "loud bang".
That's what a born German calls a hell-of-a-noise in poor English.
Have you ever heard a 6-7 pound phone drop off a desk hitting the hardwood floor! while you were trying to continue your conversation on said phone with a mercury-toxic Lymie and at the same time wanting to communicate to your husband downstairs, the promise to cook dinner before midnight!
Take care.
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oxygenbabe - That's not what I've been reading. Cell phones emit radiation 24/7 (just like cordless), even when they are not being used. How else would cell phone towers be able to pick up on them and cause the phone to ring when they are essentially 'off'? If they can ring, THEY ARE ON.
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Oxygenbabe,
Biotools now carries a voltage meter. I don't think it is on their website yet. They are not terribly expensive - if you can share with someone nearby. Also Check www.bau-biologieusa.com and/or www.healbuildings.com
I think the Biotool one is the most reasonable. But I have not checked any other place.
Take care.
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Put your cell phone near a radio turned on to AM even if the volume isn't up...you'll hear a staticky sort of morse code beeping every half hour or so.
I've been told that it's the phone linking up with the tower.
I seriously doubt this is any threat...having the thing plastered to the side of your head multiple hours a day is much more likely the problem.
Like using loud headphones many people don't give their organs ample time to recover between assaults.
That's the problem IMO. Casual usage is probably OK.
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I have a question! (or two!)
What about a computer in the bedroom that has wireless capacity, but you don't have a wireless hookup in the building. (I use dial-up internet). But the computer stays "on" in that it is on "sleep." I put it as far away from the bed as possible, and have a screen between the bed and desk.
Also, what about those noise cancellation headphones (like Bose makes) with the battery inside? I have actually long been suspicious of having a battery near my head (even a small one like that) and so do not often turn it on.
Any info re. these? Or should I just assume it's bad news?
This stuff can get really discouraging. There are too many things to overcome.
Despite the above rant, thanks in advance for any replies.
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quote:Originally posted by cave76:
Quoting here:
THINK!!
[oops---- I mis-spoke. The quote is:
THINK! (with just one exclamation point---- sorry)] **
YOU are forgiven Cave. ###
JimBob said:
*****HAVE you thought, because of that, that just MAYBE it is NOT a Hoax?*****
Er, um, actually I DIDN'T think of that! Thank you for pointing out such an obvious flaw in the logic. **
Again, NOT a problem. Glad to help. ###
You also stated:
****However I do believe they will fry your brain, sort of,****
Define "sort of". **
Cave, I am surprised you don't already know the definition of "sort of". Really surprised. It is like, "kind of". or "to some extent" or "in a way". Need I go on? I could add "not literally". NOT like an Egg. But we are capacitors. We store electricity, and condense it.
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We ALL have an aura of electricity around us. It is important to keep it intact; and healthy. All the electricity in our homes is destroying our health. And NOW the cell phone, that people are on constantly, is going to be the ruination of mankind as we know it. Not ONLY the cell phone, but all the other devices that are being mass produced and are the "craze" today. Even these computers that we sit at for so many hours a day. Our TV's. All the electronics in our automobiles. All the chemicals in our foodstuffs. The list goes on and on.
Then we can add to that, one of the worst things ever invented: The kitchen gas range. NO ventilation, poluting our home air everyday. Then add in the chemicals in our carpeting, paneling, vinyl goods, and it goes on and on and on.
Unless we become a hermit and head to the mountains and stay there for the rest of our lives, and make all of our things direct from the land, we don't stand much of a chance to survive without big time problems from all the pollution devices and chemicals that bombard every person, every day of their lives.
Our great grandparents had very little of this. Our parents had some. WE have it all. The majority of people in this country today, have never seen different. They accept it as every day life.
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Here is just a little excerpt from one of the websites that GiGi posted an URL on:
EMR or electromagnetic radiation is not a new concept in our life. Actually it is a very integral part of our lives because without this electromagnetic energy life would not be possible.
What is the problem we seem to have with electromagnetic radiation?
Well, since time began until about hundred years ago life had to deal with naturally occurring radiation, which somehow was balanced or life was shielded from detrimental parts of that radiation such as certain cosmic radiation. When people started to harness electricity and began to generate and transport it over long distances a different kind of energy was introduced to our life: AC electric, AC magnetic fields and radiofrequency radiation.
Over time, industry found newer and more exciting usage of that energy. It started with simple motors, refrigerators, doorbells, electric blankets, etc., via electric heating systems, communication systems such as radio and television, and is now engaged in sophisticated electronic devices, including military weapon systems, satellites, computers and cell phone technology.
These manmade energies have become part of our lives and as such are superimposed to our subtle body energies. The result of this development seems to be an increase in certain illnesses that have been unknown or at least rare before the electricity age. Research into the long-term effects of an exposure to EMRs is in the beginning stage and hampered and stopped by vested interests. ###
That's what a born German calls a hell-of-a-noise in poor English.
Thanks GIGI...had me wondering!!
Now if we could get Scott to shorten that URL, we could actually READ this thread more easily!!
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This from a recent Seminar I attended `- Energy Medicine 2006 - Electrosmog and Geopathic Stress:
Main Sources of Pathogenic EMF Radiation
Low frequency magnetic and electric fields Electric household appliances (razors, hairdryers, etc. Fluorescent lighting (separates + and - wiring) Lamp or alarm-clock on nightstand (if plug the wrong way and ungrounded) Electric wiring in home Nearby powerline Laptop computer Wrist watch Switched off cell phone in pocket
Known medical effects:
decreases pineal function with decreased melatonin production; opens blood brain barrier; increased leukemia and cancer rates; brain fog; synergistic effect with all other types of radiation
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Pulsed EMF with sharp pulse rise (10-100 Hz)
DECT system (and others of cordless phones Radar from nearby airport Alarm system in homes
Known medical effects: disturbs all known intrinsic rhythms (EEG, heart rate variability, breating pattern, 24 hr meridian activity, bowel movements, detoxification, etc.) blocks blood-brain and gut barrier (leaky gut syndrome) in stuck-open position, synergistic effect with other fields, increases mold growth in homes
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Microwave
Cellphone radiation from base station (affects blood brain barrier in 1.6 miles radius) Wireless internet, WLAN, etc. Blue Tooth technology Some home alarm systems
Known medical effects: Increases cancer rate 3-fold in 10 years after cell phone radiationis brought into a community - after a 5 year incubation period. Severe EEG, HRV and EKG changes, delayed and distrubed brain development in infants, decreased melatonin and hormone production, open blood brain barrier with increased toxicity, affects entothelial cells in gut mucosa and endothelium (dysfunctional), responsible for illness and death of trees.
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Electro-Smog reduces melatonin production in the pineal gland. Why is this bad?
l. Melatonin induces sleep. We only heal and detoxify in deep non-rem sleep. Without melatonin, no regeneration and no detoxification
2. Melatonin is the most effective and potent neuroprotective chemican in the CNS and prevents damage from mercury, lead, aluminum, chemicals, mycotoxins, viruses, cigarette smoke, bacterial and parasitic endo-and exotoxins (Lyme clostridia, ascaris), outgasing of carpets and new car plastics.
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What can you do:
Reduce usage of wireless phones (2 minute rule). Use hands free device for all calls Use external roof mounted antenna in car Use land lines for majority of phone time Keep your children off - O F F - wireless phones Remove multiple handset/cordless phone system from your house Remove wireless internet connection from your house Remember the reported effects are from far field radiation Get grounded
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Prudent Avoidance of Electric Fields:
Unplug all electrical devices near bed (within 6 feet).
Eliminate electric blanket, pads, waterbed heater (plug in the waterbed heater during the day and unplug it at night).
No live extension cords, power strips near bed.
Find circuits that raise body voltage and turn off.
Turn off bedroom circuit breaker.
Other Sleeping Area Recommendations ..
Sleep in a bed without springs or other metal.
Open windows at night: ionization of air is very important to mood and health
Need to avoid CO2 buildup
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Ya Know,
I just thought of something. All you people who think this EMf,radio freqs,cellphone stuff is BAD!
THINK!!
If we use the logical thinking,then perhaps EMF's and Co., are a good thing.
I mean, if they affect the Blood Brain Barrier by opening it up! Then all our antibiotics would work better!
We just take the ABX's and then sit around with the cellphones right next to our heads and maybe move it around a little to open the "BBB" in all the "corners of our mind".
Then once the BBB has been opened by the EMF our antibiotics would just flow right on thru and have access to all the parts of the brain.
Don't you think?
Makes PERFECTLY logical sense to me!
What do you think Cavey?
On another subject. About getting grounded!
If wood is not a good insulator then possibly eating too many gelatin capsules full of sawdust, which was documented as being done by
the supposed healthfood supplement people, might, just maybe, if you THINK about it, be causeing these radio frequencies of all types to be even more harmfull.
You would think that anyone afraid of all this stuff should stay as far away from a computer as humanly possible.
For Heavens sake...save yourselves PLEASE! THINK what you're doing to yourselves! I mean the sacrafices you're all making just to inform
others of such dangers, is greatly appreciated.
But please, stay away from your computers and stay healthy.
I don't want your bad health and possible demise to be on my conscience.
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JimBob, Gigi, and Scott are right on. Hope I didn't leave anybody out.
I think the mistake some of us are making is that we seem to forget we DID live WITHOUT all these technological advances we claim are essential for life.
My mom used to have to use an outhouse growing up, for one thing.
And I get a kick out of all the people who claim they need their cell phones for highway emergencies. I'd like to get an official count of how many cell phone calls have actually been true emergencies.
I doubt emergency calls alone would be enough to fund even a fraction of this billion dollar industry.
Only ONCE during my 42 years have I witnessed a true emergency in a grocery store - a man had collapsed due to a heart attack. And this was prior to the existence of cell phones.
I think humans are spoiled. If there is work that needs to be done and it can be made easier in some manner or less time-consuming, bingo - a new electronic device is created.
In the process, humans get less exercise, less sunlight, and less fresh air. Add the dangerous frequencies these devices give off to that mix, along with pollution which is also on the rise, and humans are about to become extinct.
We read so much about how Lyme is so hard to cure due to its uncanny ability to cross the blood-brain barrier.
We read here how these unnatural levels of radiation cause germs and toxins to do just that.
And we are still hopelessly searching for the cure for Lyme Disease?
It's a no-brainer if you ask me, and as much as this computer has become a part of what Lyme has left to my life, I would not miss it one bit.
I think humans have become greedy - we are continually toiling over our desires for more elaborate things, when in fact, all we really 'need' is food, clothing, and shelter.
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Joachim Sch�z, Rune Jacobsen, J�rgen H. Olsen, John D. Boice, Jr, Joseph K. McLaughlin, Christoffer Johansen
Affiliations of authors: Institute of Cancer Epidemiology, Danish Cancer Society, Copenhagen, Denmark (JS, RJ, JHO, CJ); International Epidemiology Institute, Rockville, MD (JDB, JKM); Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center, Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville, TN (JDB, JKM)
Correspondence to: Joachim Sch�z, PhD, Institute of Cancer Epidemiology, Danish Cancer Society, Strandboulevarden 49, DK-2100 Copenhagen, Denmark (e-mail: [email protected]).
Background: The widespread use of cellular telephones has heightened concerns about possible adverse health effects.
The objective of this study was to investigate cancer risk among Danish cellular telephone users who were followed for up to 21 years.
Methods: This study is an extended follow-up of a large nationwide cohort of 420 095 persons whose first cellular telephone subscription was between 1982 and 1995 and who were followed through 2002 for cancer incidence.
Standardized incidence ratios (SIRs) were calculated by dividing the number of observed cancer cases in the cohort by the number expected in the Danish population.
Results: A total of 14 249 cancers were observed (SIR = 0.95; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.93 to 0.97) for men and women combined.
Cellular telephone use was not associated with increased risk for brain tumors (SIR = 0.97), acoustic neuromas (SIR = 0.73), salivary gland tumors (SIR = 0.77), eye tumors (SIR = 0.96), or leukemias (SIR = 1.00).
Among long-term subscribers of 10 years or more, cellular telephone use was not associated with increased risk for brain tumors (SIR = 0.66, 95% CI = 0.44 to 0.95), and there was no trend with time since first subscription.
The risk for smoking-related cancers was decreased among men (SIR = 0.88, 95% CI = 0.86 to 0.91) but increased among women (SIR = 1.11, 95% CI = 1.02 to 1.21).
Additional data on income and smoking prevalence, primarily among men, indicated that cellular telephone users who started subscriptions in the mid-1980s appeared to have a higher income and to smoke less than the general population.
Conclusions: We found no evidence for an association between tumor risk and cellular telephone use among either short-term or long-term users.
Moreover, the narrow confidence intervals provide evidence that any large association of risk of cancer and cellular telephone use can be excluded.
**I still use the speaker phone & don't talk long. IMO, they haven't been in use long enough.
Any thoughts on the people walking around with the "Bluetooth" thing in their ear all day?
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charlie
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....well if nothing else walking around with the bluetooth thingy in your ear and talking incessantly, apparently to yourself, makes you look like the village idiot to those not familiar with that device.
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tailz
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My ex-husband just had a brain tumor removed back in February - a heavy cell phone user. He also was exposed to radar in the Navy for 6 years.
It's possible that cell phones, along with some other yet-to-be-discovered factor (radar?)increases the risk of brain tumor.
But there is NO WAY I'm going to make a flat-out statement that cell phones don't cause brain tumors, when I know they are the final 'step' in a long process.
I'm curious if anybody here who has had a cell phone since they became popular can shed light on when each 'new generation' of technology came out.
I would be willing to bet my right arm that my symptoms worsened with each new generation, and later with simply increased volume of cell phone users.
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quote:Originally posted by tailz: I'm curious if anybody here who has had a cell phone since they became popular can shed light on when each 'new generation' of technology came out.
I know we bought our first "mobile phone" in 1989. I don't think they had been available for more than a yr or so before that.
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butchieboo
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OH I don't know...I've been popular....wayyyyy! Before these cell phones ever came out!
GiGi
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In 1946, a driver in St. Louis, Missouri placed a phone call -- it was the first AT&T mobile telephone call.
Although many consider the events in St. Louis in 1946 to be the beginning of wireless telephony, the first fully functioning digital cell phone system started in 1992 in Germany. A long ways from Faraday in the 18...something when he proved that vibrations of metal could be converted to electrical impulses.. Should have left things well enough alone ........
Take care.
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JimBoB
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quote:Originally posted by butchieboo: OH I don't know...I've been popular....wayyyyy! Before these cell phones ever came out!
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WHY is it, you get in on "OUR" threads. YOU are definitely NOT popular here.
YOU should start your own thread; call it: "My Brain is 'Open', come on in Spirochetes".
Since you are uninformed, those of US in the know, don't have any adulterated gel caps ingested in our systems.
We ONLY use PURE herbs, in veggie caps. NO fillers.
Get back to the earth, man; back to the earth!
IF you can't, how about flying away to whatever planet you came from?
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