I'm really hurting all over right now & I feel like I could really appreciate a good, long, hot soak in the tub. I don't even know the last time I've had one.
I'm on IV ceftriaxone and I realize that as a female, I would likely be asking for trouble.
I'm wondering if anyone knows of anything I might be able to put in the tub that would negate the risk.
Does yeast like acidic or alkaline? I don't recall.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks! Ali
Posted by AZURE WISH (Member # 804) on :
Have hot baths given you yeast in the past? Or does rocephin cause more yeast for you than other abx?
the majority of the time I have been disabled (7 years now)
I have gotten warm to hot baths...
partially cuz they feel good with my pain ... partially cuz sometimes standing is too difficult
I have never gotten a yeast infection from a hot bath...
When i had a picc I was just extra careful to keep my picc line and that part of my arm dry.
If you know it is going to cause a problem I hope someone can give you an answer...
cuz the hot baths do cause my body to relax... which helps with the pain a bit cuz pain = tension in body tension in body = more pain
so the heat breaks this a little for me.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I don't take baths. Just not ever "comfortable" lying there doing nothing. Weird, huh?? [also makes my neck hurt]
But it would seem to me that an important factor would be making sure the tub is somewhat "clean."
Just my take on it.
Enjoy!! Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
I don't believe I've ever gotten one from a bath. I've just heard that you can get them that way & haven't pushed my luck.
I have enough problems without adding that to the mix. Posted by lymemomtooo (Member # 5396) on :
One of my inlaws used to get them frequently and the Dr finally asked if she took showers or baths. He told her to stop bathing. It can cause infections.
But I agree, nothing is more soothing than a warm bath.
I think being exposed to the body oils/dirt and soap, shampoos in the water might be the cause of contamination.
Maybe sitting down and taking a shower, with the drain open would be ok for some. I have seen some shower chairs before. Never talked to anyone that used one however.
Posted by sometimesdilly (Member # 9982) on :
Ali-
here's a suggestion.
why not clean the tub, then take a long shower and clean/rinse yourself well.
then rinse out tub with some pots of boiling water, then take a bath?
baths feel wonderful and are good for detoxing to boot.
hope you can make yourself feel ok about taking a bath....
hugs, dilly
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Good idea, dilly!! And then rinse off with a shower to end. Whenever I've taken a bath, I've finished with a shower or I don't feel clean.
Posted by SunRa (Member # 3559) on :
I've never gotten a yeast infection from a bath either, but maybe adding one or more of these things could help:
- hydrogen peroxide - baking soda - apple cider vinegar - tea tree oil
also, if you don't have one, I'd get a filter for the bath water to reduce the chlorine and other irritants.
and try a peeled clove of organic garlic (nicked just a bit to let the garlic juice out...not too much though...ouch) -- wrap in thin layer of unbleached cheesecloth, and insert vaginally. change every few hours. it really works well.
Posted by troutscout (Member # 3121) on :
Try H2O2 in the bath and then when you get out.....spray a mist of it all over you body...I herx on this!
Trout Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
Hey AliG- nothing like a nice warm soak, by candlelight with your favorite music in the background and a neck pillow.(that's for Lymetoo)
I always thought it was bubble bath products that had the potential to cause irritation.
I just do Epsom Salt soaks.
And when I get out I am sure to dry, really dry off parts where the sun doesn't shine.
I assume you are taking a healthy dose of probiotics,too?
Carol
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Thanks for all the input & wonderful suggestions!
I got too tired thinking about disinfecting my tub after my DH has had his fungi feet in there.
I think I'm going to have to make a game plan for this project.
I like the idea of shower/bath/shower. I think I used to do that way back when I used to take baths. I shkeeve the thought of soaking in dirty water & I know everything that was in the water would cling to me as I get out. Blechkkk!!!!
I'm thinking maybe the Epsom salts might do it. If I add some vinegar too, I can pickle myself.
I have a tea-tree oil liquid facial cleanser that I've been using on my body too. I think it's anti-everything.
After some though, I can't remember where my stinking neck pillow is. The first item on the list has to be to find the pillow.
The smell of H2O2 nauseates me, so that's out. Maybe I can put a few drops of Lavender essential oil in the tub. That's anti-something, but I don't remember what.
Gotta do the candles, the light is so peaceful on easily agitated eyes. That means I have to get all the dust off of them. The music is a must too, so I have to find that little portable radio. (Yet ANOTHER task )
I also have to burn that pile of laundry in there because I'll NEVER be able to relax if I have to look at that.
OK - now the fatigue is worse than the pain again and I remember why I don't take baths anymore. TOO DARN MUCH WORK!!!!
I'll have to start by doing all the laundry & cleaning the tub. Since that's a never ending cycle maybe I should start by finding a new home for dirty laundry.
I'm glad to know that people are taking baths without problems. Now that I think about it, I do remember that it was the "bubble" baths that were said to be a no-no.
Thanks for curing me of my fear of the tub. I think I'll try to somehow implement my plan over the weekend.
Oh and the thought of doing THAT with a clove of garlic is a little too scary for me. I'll hold onto it though, as a last resort, if I should end up with a problem, so thank you for that contribution.
I did do a bunch of research, at a time I thought I was getting a yeast infection, and came up with a pretty bizarre method of taking acidophilus. I think I saw the garlic idea then, too. So please don't feel that my opinion on the garlic is in any way a criticism, it just sounds like it might be a bit painful.
After the acidophillus, I still panicked & ran out for Monistat-1, so it probably made no sense for me to even try it anyway. I still don't know if that would have worked. Actually, I still don't know if I was even really getting one. Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I always read and heard that bubble baths may give girls/ladies vaginal infections.
I've been doing detox baths with epsom salt for 4 years now and it seems to calm my itching and vaginal symptoms, not irrating at all. I'm also using some essential oils of late and they don't cause irriation either.
My vaginal symptoms started long before the detox baths. In fact there is something very odd in deed that occurred on the day the illness from hell started. It's how the ID duck came up with possible Toxic Shock Syndrome. After all he told me couldn't be lyme disease, in fact my MD dx of lyme was laughable.
Pam
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- It's the colored dyes and perfumes of most bubble baths that are so bad.
for my "bubble" bath I use a natural shower gel and just put a shot of that in for the bath. I have to be sure that shampoo and shower gels does not contain milk. Really. some do and really cause me trouble for scalp and body.
I also find the milkier bar hand soaps create more gunk in the drains. ==================
CLEANING THE TUB
Biokleen (super concentrated) All Purpose Cleaner.
they also have a spray
Natural - non-toxic - biodegradable
Grapefruit Seed & Oragne Peel extract cleaning power
I used this to clean everything. It's amazing how it can clean a tub. Really.
=========================== PITCHER
I keep a large acrylic pitcher by the tub with which to rinse after a bath so I don't have to stand up. I also put a little of the Biokleen on a cloth and clean the tub while I'm still sitting in it, rinsing it. Then myself - it's slippery, so sitting works. Cleans like a charm.
------- Against my usual non-toxic style, however, a couple times a year, I'll use a little watered-down chlorox to get rid of the mold build-up in all my sink/tub drains. Then I follow with very hot water.
Good ventilation when doing so. You'd not want to take a bath for a while, though, as the smell stick around. I leave windows open for hours when I do this. So, this time of the year might be hard.
I've not found anything else that will destroy the gunk in the drains - not baking soda, not vinegar, not boiling water, etc. the Biokleen helps, but now and then the drains just need a little stronger stuff.
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Keebler....How much is the biokleen? The first one on their homepage??
I didn't want to register....one more spam to deal with. If the price is right, I want to order some....then I'll deal with the spam!!
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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I buy it at my grocery store. Wild Oats or Whole Foods would have it.
They don't sell through their web site and they don't sell from their site. They also don't do spam or email lists.
They do have a store locator with zip-code to find a store near you.
Or there is an on-line retainer link so you can find one in your state, or a nearby state, to keep shipping charges low.
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Posted by SunRa (Member # 3559) on :
"Oh and the thought of doing THAT with a clove of garlic is a little too scary for me. I'll hold onto it though, as a last resort, if I should end up with a problem, so thank you for that contribution. .....please don't feel that my opinion on the garlic is in any way a criticism, it just sounds like it might be a bit painful. "
AliG, I'm so offended!!! hehe you made me laugh no, it's definitely not for everyone! (but it's not painful..unless you cut the clove open)
yeah the vinegar's not for everyone either. although it's not too bad - I use apple cider vinegar..it really alkalizes the bath and has a lot of healing benefits. and as much as I hate to waste water, I have to shower after baths too. especially if I've started to pickle
try just epsom salts and lavendar oil -- calming, anti-inflammatory, and I think it may also have antibacterial effects. and maybe add a couple drops of tea tree oil.
Posted by hopingandpraying (Member # 9256) on :
I read somewhere - wish I could remember where - that you can used hydrogen peroxide (dollar store brand is fine) as a disinfectant.
I pour it into a small spray bottle and use it in my bathroom and kitchen. No toxic smell and it supposedly turns into plain water when it goes down the drain.
You could use it to clean your tub then soak all you want. Maybe this might help. Posted by Aniek (Member # 5374) on :
After the bath, dry yourself with a hair dryer. Don't put on underwear until you are completely dry so the underwear doesn't get damp. Then open up a probiotic capsule and put the powder on yourself.
I don't think a bath is a horrible thing. It's keeping the area damp afterwards. So you don't want to sit around in a wet bathing suit.
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
I have found that baths aggravate yeast problems only when they are soapy. So I don't lie around soaking in soapy water -- only soap and rinse off very quickly at the very end. I think taking a shower after that is a good idea. Plain hot water with epson salts seems fine.
Also, the biggest thing for me in helping with candida issues was to HUGELY increase my dose of probiotics. I used to take 1-2 capsules a day, but when I increased it to 10-20 a day, that really helped. I can also vouch for the garlic technique, and for lomatium tincture, which I have found to be the strongest tincture to take (orally) for any acute outbreaks.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Keebler....I have Whole Foods around here ONLY in my DREAMS!!!!
Maybe when I go to Texas for Christmas I can stop by one.
Posted by laura j (Member # 14257) on :
Hi Ali,
I know this post was from awhile ago but I'm new on here. Hope you got around to taking your bath!!!
My daughter recently had a vaginitis and her doc told me to give her baking soda baths without any soaps.
She said when I need to use soap on her to use Eucerin Baby Wash but only at the end of the bath and to rinse well. It's actually is a very good cleanser (but mild) and suds' up great so I think adults could use it. CVS has it.
I also think shower, bath, quick shower rinse after is a good idea also. In a clean tub to start of course.
Epsom salt baths are good also.
Laura
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Thanks Laura for the info on the baby wash.
I never DID get around to taking that bath.
I'm still periodically fantasizing about a "Calgon moment".
It's actually funny, but I've always taken showers before & after baths. I can't stand the thought of soaking in dirty water & feel the need to be sure I've rinsed off any residue from bath oils/soaks.
I don't know why I'm so paranoid about the possibility of a yeast infection. I guess it's just because I know the ABX can make us susceptible to them.
I still haven't had the strength to scrub my tub to OCD sterile perfection.
Some day my bath will come! (tune of "some day my prince will come")
Posted by Clarissa (Member # 4715) on :
I live for my baths. I clean it with Seventh Generation tub & tile cleaner. I have a portable cd player with headphones (battery operated so as not to get electrocuted) and listen to books on cd.
I have a backrest from Bed Bath & Beyond (think it was less than $20, I light candles, pour in epsom salts and baking soda.
Besides sleeping, this is my ONE other escape from my tortured Bart-brain. I sweat like mother and then I relax on my bed in a robe and fantasize that I'm a normal person. Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Clarissa,
That really takes me back! I used to do the whole candles & music thing. I even used to keep adding hot water, just to stay in longer.
There was actually a point in time when I used to take a glass of wine in with me. That's out now, thanks to the ABX , but I can still break out some candles & music.
I think I'm going to have to set a goal & actually "plan" for some "me" time. I'll have to "set focus" and "go OCD" on my bathroom.
I can get the candles out for motivation, play some music while I clean and then reap the rewards for my efforts by collapsing into the tub for a good long soak.
Now, when can I fit this in??????.........THIS is the hard part! Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I too use baking soda sometime in my detox baths. Especially in the winter, when my skin is so dry.
I hardly ever use soap. I soak 10-12 minutes. Then start scrubbing my skin with wash cloth. Then I scrub with my loofah. Then out I go.
If I feel I need soap it's not until the very end. Quickly wash those areas and then out.
I also do a great dry off removing any moisture from all areas
Posted by Clarissa (Member # 4715) on :
AliG: I say GO FOR IT! Plus, it's good for your OCD to do something that you fear (not that I always practice what I preach...lol).
I also have two big sports bottles of water and I'll stay in that tub for at least 45 minutes. Be sure to bring in some nice washcloths to wipe the sweat. I love getting into a good book on cd...can't wait to hear the next chapter.
It is a "calgon" moment and we Lymies need something to look forward to in our day. I'm a yeastie creature by nature but I have not found this to have ANY additional impact on my yeast problems.
I'm on the strict diet, take Florastor, Primal Defense, Natren Healthy Trinity, liquid Nystatin (hurl) but, as Lymetoo would say about her Mangosteen, you'd have to get in a tussle with me on the floor if you took away MY BATHS!
You go, Sister Sledge!
Clarissa
Posted by hshbmom (Member # 9478) on :
Hi Ali,
I think as long as you're faithfully taking probiotics you'll stay healthy...everywhere
Use the blow dryer on the warm setting after a bath to dry the area. The external area can be dried; the inside is not meant to be dry.
The blow dryer also helps babies avoid & overcome problems with yeasty diaper rashes.
The yeast from our digestive tract may contaminate the perineal area...whether we're adults or babies.
I used to get yeast frequently, but in the past year and a half (while in treatment) I only had one yeast infection...right after starting antibiotics.
Since then I've taken the probiotics religiously and have had no more problem...even without a sugar-free or even a reduced-sugar diet.
Happy drying!
Posted by stymielymie (Member # 10044) on :
clorox bleach or clorox spray cleaner will kill any yeast, .mold,fungi, aids, herpes, most bacteria, most viruses, most everything. spores ie tb are very difficult to kill.
when guidelines first came out to sterilize dental offices, we used straight bleach, kept wet for 20 minutes then wiped.
the problem in a dental office is that we had alot of aluminum in the dental units and bleach desolves the aluminum. so we went to a lysol for hospitals that has phenol in it.
now i don't know what they use.
but for bathrooms bleach kills everything. just leave wet for 20 minutes and rinse out. just keep away from clothes as it will bleach colors out of clothes
docdave
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Clorox bleach or any brand of bleach makes me sick. I only rarely use it on my shower tiles & floor. I have to wear a mask. Close the bathroom up and run the exhaust fan all day and run my fan on my furnace continuously all day.
I'm am chemically sensitive. I try and only use vinegar, baking soda, hydrogen peroxide the more natural stuff that doesn't make me ill. Cleaning supplies in the grocery aisle are toxic to me.
It took me 7 years to figure this out. I haven't bought any of the "supposedly" friendly products that can be bought now a days. They are expensive and I just haven't got into this stuff yet.
Vinegar, peroxide and baking soda are doing the job for me around the house. Baking soda & water clean up soap scum on shower tiles great.
Oh yeah, I water down the bleach and don't use it at full strength, if and when it's time to bleach the tile in the shower.
Just information that I had to learn for myself, when I realized how my body reacts to toxic cleaning supplies.
Pam
Posted by Monica922 (Member # 13496) on :
I use an equal part of baking soda, epsom salt and sea salt in the tub. This does not irritate any yeast infections either and it is relaxing.
I was put on Diflucan for the first time in 11 weeks of IV Rocephin today. I think it is because I ate too much junk this week and did not take the probiotics at the same rate. I have to take them three times a day and I eat Fage 0% yogurt once a day. This worked until I became lazy with it....then the yeast infection came very fast.
Monica
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
DH just read about his "Fungi Feet" and volunteered to disinfect the tub for me! My bath may not be a pipe dream after all!!!! Posted by Ruthie1776 (Member # 13889) on :
Hi all-
My Naturopath says vinegar/sea salt baths are very helpful for the toxins and for coinfections. Her recipe is 2 quarts of apple cider vinegar, 1 pound of sea salt, 6-7 tbsp lemon juice, 6-7 tbsp baking soda. It is 1000 times stronge than an epson salt bath. Beware, the water will feel 10 degrees hotter than it is. You will feel it! Minimun 30 minutes in the tub also....make sure to bring lots of water to drink while you are in there. You will get thursty
By the way....anyone heard of sea salt vitamin c treatment for lyme?
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Ruthie, sounds like a great detox bath idea, BUT some need to be aware that harder, stronger and more and more quickly is not always good with lyme & company.
The first year of taking these detox baths with epsom salt were hard on me and not always in a relaxing way, but very draining. Sometimes trying to detox too quickly is even worse than taking 10 different abx at one time, thinking you are going to kill everything in one shot??????
Slow and easy with detoxing also. 1000 times better is great if your body can handle it. Not everyone can do a big old detox bath and it make them feel better, many could really crash.
Your naturopath needs to learn alittle more about detoxing with lyme & company. Not everyone could benefit from this 1000 times stronger detox bath. Some should start much more gentle.
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