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Looking for a natural way to rid yeast and keep it under control. As well as boost immune. These two products mention a wide variety of benefits..
Which manufactor makes your suppliments, where do you get them and are there any dangers taking them while on Meds? or any drawbacks I should be made aware of?
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I don't see any problems with either one. I never had any positive reactions to the coconut oil.
Olive Leaf Extract hasn't turned my world over either, come to think of it.
I buy from quite a few manufacturers. Right now, I have OLE from Gaia.
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Yes, I use both of them. They haven't rocked my world (maybe I don't use enough or maybe I just haven't been noticing) but I do like both products and use them daily.
I buy OLE is NSI from vitacost.
Coconut oil is on vitacost too although I've just been picking it up in the organic section of my grocery store. They keep it with other oils. The one I have is Nutiva Organic Extra Virgin, 15 oz for $9.99.
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Try Seagate brand, the strongest. It knocked my socks off and shot my liver enzymes up!
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Take one or two at a time (depending on how severe your problem) and ROTATE THEM every five days to make sure the candida doesn't get resistant. Works wonders. And whatever you're using for yeast control, take it at least three times a day, just like others do with prescriptions like Nystatin. (You should also ask for Nystatin! You can take it for as long as needed and it doesn't create resistance or damage liver!)
The draw back is that naturals things are not covered by insurance, you have to pay for them yourself, and you get little guidances about dosages.
There are lots of benefits, too many to name. Nature is good for you.
As far as OLE I take 1 - 1.5 grams a day; the key to this herb is to stay away from the ones with cellulose as a filler. The one CD57 recommended doesn't have any fillers at all.
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I drink a few ounces of "SO Delicious Original Cultured Coconut Milk" (kefir) twice/day. Available in most health-food stores and a few grocery store chains. Best price at Whole Foods if not "on sale" elsewhere.
I also keep unsweetened, shredded coconut in the fridge to toss on salads, into some brown rice dishes, sometimes into oatbran...
quote:Originally posted by little_olive: Olive leaf extract Oil of oregano Coconut oil Caprylic acid Grapefruit seed extract Candex
Take one or two at a time (depending on how severe your problem) and ROTATE THEM every five days to make sure the candida doesn't get resistant. Works wonders. And whatever you're using for yeast control, take it at least three times a day
I agree, at least two natural/herbal anti-fungals should be taken at once and these treatments should be rotated. I rotate about monthly.
Have had good success with Pau d'Arco capsules to fight yeast. (The tea tastes too awful for me.) Pau d'Arco has antifungal & antibacterial properties. imo, it's better than OLE for fighting yeast.
Cayenne pepper and garlic have many benefits, including anti-yeast.
AZO Yeast is a homeopathic tablet in a probiotic base that works very well to prevent & treat yeast infections. Available at Target and elsewhere.
Soothing aloe vera juice helps white blood cells to kill yeast and can aid healing.
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- Caprylic acid made me extremely ill in years past and I tired several times but I have to say that was the sickest I've ever been - with every try, even if it was just part of a formula. Some people seem to manage it just fine but, if you don't, I would never - ever- force caprylic acid.
There are other ways to achieve success.
OLE prevented candida from even starting when I began it before abx and continued during and afterward. The longest I've been on abx at one time is 2 months but, previously, just looking at a abx bottle seemed to trigger deeply set systemic candida. OLE changed all that.
And it never made me feel ill. However, it can cause a herx, so be sure to read all about it first.
Now, I don't know if I would have had the same degree of success had a candida infection already have been establshed.
As for coconut oil, my concern with that is the too much oil of any kind is just not good for us and really packs in calories and fat. A few months when I favored curried coconut milk soups, I gained a tremendous amount of weight, seeming all in fat on my thighs. And that is no laughing matter. The fat from the coconut milk was the only explanation.
Lyme prediposes one to diabetes and to obesity, so I think it's important not to over do any of the good oils. Sure, we need them, but to stay within limits, a very specific amount, for our total daily calorie intake.
While just the right amount of good fat in the diet can help us maintain blood glucose stability, too much fat gain - even if from a good fat - can also add to the risk of developing diabetes.
Coconut oil, just an 1/8 or even 1/16 of a teaspoon, can help soothe the lining of the mouth if irritated, though. It just takes a very tiny amount.
You can find MONOLAURIN (the key ingredient in coconut oil for antifungal purposes) as a supplement, avoiding the chance of too much oil contribution to fat gain.
Caprylic acid is also in coconut oil but if you take that as a supplement, again, just approach that with caution, starting out very slowing at first to make sure it will work with your stomach. -
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-------------- An Olive Leaf formula (that contains Terminalia chebula):
My ND (naturopathic doctor) recommended MYROLEA B. Most naturopathic doctors and acupuncturists know about the Seven Forest formulas. As this is a combination formula, there are ingredients included to help the body with "clearing heat" and metabolizing toxins.
Myrolea-B (White Tiger) is a simple formulation of highly concentrated extracts from four Chinese herbs and one Western herb.
The Chinese herbs include forsythia and lonicera, two of the key ingredients of Ilex 15 (and the main antiviral ingredients of Yin Qiao Jie Du Pian), thus boosting the dosage of these essential ingredients.
Myrolea-B also contains the antiviral agents scute (huangqin) and terminalia (hezi). The Western herb in this formulation is olive leaf, which is one of the primary anti-viral herbs derived from the European tradition.
SHUANGHUANGLIAN: Potent Anti-Infection Combination of Lonicera, Forsythia, and Scute - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine - 2003
Shuanghuanglian (SHL for short) is a modern formula that was devised in the 1960s to treat a variety of infections. It is comprised of the alcohol-water extracts of three herbs: lonicera (shuanghua, often called jinyinhua), scute (huangqin), and forsythia (lianqiao). . . .
. . . One of the early preparations of the SHL was a tablet made of equal proportions of the extracts of each herb. This was used to treat leptospirosis, a disorder caused by a spirochete bacteria, related to the organism that causes Lyme disease.
Leptospirosis causes initial symptoms of fever and chills, headache, and muscle ache (especially in the shoulders); these are consistent with "flu-like" symptoms described for the onset of many acute infections.
In a 1971 report, the formula was described as being made in 500 mg tablets derived from 3.7 grams of the crude herbs, and being administered in doses of 10-15 tablets (thus, equivalent to the extract of 37-55 grams of herbs) every 6 hours (1), a very high dosage.
. . . Recently, Shuanghuanglian has been applied successfully to treatment of Coxsackie B3,
. . . The general indications for SHL . . . are "relieving the exterior syndrome, clearing away heat and toxic material," and its indications are "treatment of fever, cough, and sore throat that arise from wind-heat syndrome."
It is said to have "a good action in treating upper respiratory tract infection, tonsillitis, laryngopharyngitis, pneumonia, acute enteritis, viral dysentery, etc., when caused by virus or bacterial infection."
- full article at link above.
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Detail from two of the most reputable sources of OLE:
Die-off effects -- Olive leaf use causes the death of microbes. The liver, kidneys, intestines and skin are therefore tested to their limits, to deal with, and remove them. This causes Herxheimers Reaction, which can have a variety of symptoms, but basically makes one feel ill or under the weather due to a treatment's effect upon the body.
Thus, "die-off," referred to in medicine as the "HERXHEIMER reaction," occurs when the olive leaf components kills large numbers of harmful germs rather quickly. Then, the patient's membranes absorb toxic products from these dead microorganisms. . . .
See details at link for:
� Safety Precautions and � Known Drug Interactions
SEAGATE Olive Leaf Extract - also see their menu for all their OLE products, including nasal spray, personal spray, etc.
Excerpt:
Side Effects:
Olive leaves have been used safely for thousands of years. The only known side-effect is the possibility of a HERXHEIMER reaction, an allergic response caused by the rapid die-off of fungi that release toxins which may temporarily cause a brief allergic reaction, lasting for several days.
. . . Are there any contraindications with Olive Leaf Extract?
No contraindications with other drugs have been observed.
�� However, Olive Leaf Extract should not be taken with antibiotics produced from yeast / fungus or along with additional amino acids other than those received in your everyday foods. They might cross out each other's effectiveness. . . .
- Full article at link above.
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PROBIOTICS still need to be taken. Take several hours away from OLE (and from all supplements and also from Rx). OLE will negate probiotics if taken too closely together. -
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- You mentioned wanting to "boost immune system" -- "boosting" is never good, but that term can mean different things to different people. I've just been blasted to the moon so often in the past that I'm rocket shy, so to speak.
With lyme, our immune system "parts" (Th1 and Th2) are "flipped" from what would be expected. So, boosting anything can add far too much stress to an already stressed out immune system. The key is supporting/calming the part that is overworked and gently supporting/coaxing the part that is sluggish.
Going for that SUPPORT & BALANCE can really help. However, that can be a very tricky process. You might ask your LLMD for his/her advice - or if they know of a LL ND. More about how to find one here - and also read the work of many authors who address support methods: -----------------------
Topic: How to find a LL ND (naturopathic doctor), acupuncturist, etc.
Includes how to find an ILADS-educated LL ND, an Acupuncturist, a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, etc.
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I have used olive leaf extract and coconut oil for candida. My doctor also said the coconut oil is good for weight loss and helping your metabolism regulate itself.
I have had good luck for candida with Solaray Yeast Cleanse, and have also rotated olive leaf extract and grapefruit seed extract (watch out because the Solaray Yeast Cleanse has grapefruit seed extract in it). I previously though I was having some negative symptoms that could be related to the grapefruit seed extract, but it turned out that I had both low vitamin B-12 and a brain tumor that could explain those.
For weeks I have been getting thrush every morning, even when I stuck carefully to my low carb diet. I have finally gotten some relief the past couple of days after gargling with full strength mouthwash, as well as continuing the Yeast Cleanse and some olive leaf and grapefruit seed extracts. This is in spite of eating sugar and gluten for several days.
Coconut oil is also excellent for rubbing on any irritated, dry or itchy skin, as well as melting in almost any food and using for cooking oil and baking, but I didn't notice it to do much for me in regard to candida. Still, sometimes I would put a little on my tongue and just let it melt, for the thrush. It doesn't have much flavor.
Diflucan also worked for me to get the candida under control when it first appeared and messed up my digestive system, but then I had to stop Biaxin because my doc said they could interact. I would prefer natural remedies too.
Good luck to you.
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- LightAtTheEnd,
to clarify - yes, as you included - coconut oil is good to achieve weight metabolism. It helps thyroid function, etc.
Still, that is designed to be a relatively modest to moderate amount in balance with the day's total calories. Some may want to just gobble coconut oil &/or coconut milk and, in excess, it will deposit a lot of fat right to the thighs.
For few months a while back, my mouth burned so badly that I could not eat. My diet was a bit high in content with coconut milk, as it was soothing to my mouth and filling and I had read that it could help with metabolism so I didn't really count calories and measure it all out.
In just weeks, my thighs were invited to be guest blimp floats at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Seriously.
I was offered contracts to be the stand-in doubles for both the Michelin man and the Pillsbury Dough Boy. All that fame from too much coconut milk. -
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Funny Keebler.
I also gained some weight on the boost your metabolism fat. I expected to become a genius after eating so much of it but I still couldn't remember much.
I didn't know it was supposed to help with yeast but currently I had to quit abx to try to clear up my black tongue so obviously the coconut oil did not prevent it.
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I'm on Oil of Oregano Capsules and Grapefruit Seed Extract capsules (250 mg)
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Out of the natural things I have tried I think that Candex is effective. It can sometimes give me a tummy ache. It's a blend of different enzymes.
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I use Candigone by Renew Life. Has a great combo of all the necessary herbs all in one to fight off candidas.
It comes with both a tinture and pill.
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Question on Olive Leaf Extract....can I take this while I"m taking Biaxin, Amantadine, Bactrim, and Rifabutin? I know I should probalby take at least 3 hour away from abx.
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bcb1200 -- As a generalization, for best utilization in the body, beneficial herbs should be taken with food.
My LLMD says olive leaf extract (OLE) is fine to take with Biaxin. Same is true for oregano leaf extract, Pau d'Arco inner bark extract, Berberine, cinnamon bark extract, ginger root...
quote:Originally posted by Keebler: As for coconut oil, my concern with that is the too much oil of any kind is just not good for us and really packs in calories and fat. A few months when I favored curried coconut milk soups, I gained a tremendous amount of weight, seeming all in fat on my thighs. And that is no laughing matter. The fat from the coconut milk was the only explanation.
Lyme prediposes one to diabetes and to obesity, so I think it's important not to over do any of the good oils. Sure, we need them, but to stay within limits, a very specific amount, for our total daily calorie intake.
While just the right amount of good fat in the diet can help us maintain blood glucose stability, too much fat gain - even if from a good fat - can also add to the risk of developing diabetes.
Dear Keebler, I do not think that Lyme disease predisposes anyone to diabetes and obesity. I have not read that anywhere in scientific literature on Lyme disease. If you have found documentation, please share it when you get the chance. Thx.
The current average American lifestyle predisposes many to diabetes and obesity. Consuming cow-dairy products and lots of high-fructose corn syrup is a huge problem contributing to inappropriate weight gain. For more on that, I encourage all to read The China Study, available thru local library systems. LymeNet's Tammy N. turned me on to this momentous book, and it will rock your dietary world!
The 4 oz. coconut kefir I drink most days, and sprinkling a tsp of unsweetened shredded coconut on a green salad or into oat bran twice a week, doesn't contribute to unhealthy weight gain.
"All things in moderation" is often wisely stressed. For good health, the fats to be avoided are ALL transfats (not actually food), ALL hydrogenated or partially-hydrogenated fats (our bodies can't use them), and saturated animal fats.
If one is not allergic, coconuts, almonds, walnuts, pecans, sunflower seeds, and avocados all provide healthy fat that humans need. We just need to be careful not to over-indulge.
Extra virgin olive oil is a wonderful, beneficial source of necessary dietary fat. Use it often in good health! And try walnut oil for a new twist on salads, in pancakes, and for baking this winter...
Keebler, sorry to hear of past weight gain when you'd splurged on coconut curry soups. Seems you're much more aware of rotating foods now, and I've been impressed with how often you stress the value of engaging in easy exercise like qi gong, dance, or walking.
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- I never said that good fats are not necessary. Just that we can't consume even good fats in an unlimited fashion, the calorie count adds up very fast so we just have to be aware to get as much as we need, but not more. We can't eat nuts by the handfuls. No one can.
When I couldn't eat any solid foods and consumed one-half to one can of coconut milk along with pureed veggies, divided by four servings a day, there was significant fat storage by my body. The cold coconut milk & veggie smoothie soothed the mouth ulcers but not my waistline. A serving of coconut milk is measured by the tablespoon, not by half a cup. It matters, as I found out.
However, even for someone with a perfect diet who does move as best their body allows - yes, lyme can predispose one to diabetes and to obesity. Most chronic infections can.
This book is specific to lyme and other chronic stealth infections.
The Potbelly Syndrome: How Common Germs Cause Obesity, Diabetes, And Heart Disease - 2005
by Russell Farris and Per Marin, MD, PhD
Most of the book explains the adrenal/endocrine failure from lyme and Cpn that can lead to (undeserved) obesity.
Ch. 13 is all about how diabetes can result from lyme and Cpn.
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Remember that lyme really messes up the HPA axis (Hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal network). The pituitary has much to do with weight/growth. Mess up any part of the endocrine system and other parts suffer, too.
. . . It seems likely that these bacterial species could serve as biological indicators of a developing overweight condition.
Of even greater interest, and the subject of future research, is the possibility that oral bacteria may participate in the pathology that leads to obesity. . . . -
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