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Does anyone currently use one? How does it work? It is difficult to use? Have you had success with it? How do I get one? I hope for some info, considering this treatment option.
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Here is Selma's assessment of her photon therapy treatment (using the PE-1, which costs about $1000). ----Polly Polygonum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE [bionic880-PE1] Can you post how you are doing?... From: S To: [email protected]
The forum is quiet and I am assuming many people got well and stopped posting?
After reading Susan's post saying she's fighting mycoplasma, and that she feels photon treatment IS powerful, but not mentioning borrelia (like most people who use the photon treatment do, they won't mention borrelia as their main problem anymore after a couple of months...), I just wonder how about others?
Could you answer some or all of these questions briefly so that other new people who come to this forum know if this treatment work or not?
1- Are you treating using dr. W's protocol with infrared (PE1, Bionic, Lightworks, whatever other machine)? Or have you done that in the past? did you do self treatment or let someone treat you?
2- Do you use any type of energetic tests? Which one?
3- How long have you treated? And which nosodes you used mostly?
4- What sort of main detox supplements, homeopathics, etc did you use?
5- Do you feel this protocol works? Did you improve considerable or not?
6- What other parallel treatments you use together with photons that you think is important to mention ? (like heavy metal detox, acupuncture, allergy treatments, lymph drainage massage, homeopathy, etc)
7- What is your main health concern today?
8- Are you taking prescription drugs? What are you doing for your health today?
9- Would you recommend this treatment to other chronic lyme patients?
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Starting with myself:
1- I have used the protocol of dr. W plus other higher potency nosodes that he recommended, highest dilution was 1000 K. The highest dilutions I did sometimes without photons, only through ingestion.
I used the PE1 and did the whole thing by myself. I cancelled my appointment with dr. W because by the time my appointment arrived, my lyme was almost totally gone. since then, I never stepped my feet in any doctor's office.
2- Muscle test and some sort of pendulum test (not with a pendulum though, I still use my arm for that). But it looks like a pendulum.
3- It took me about 4 months to put my chronic lyme in remission in May 2009. Since then, lyme hasn't return. I used not only borrelia nosodes, but any other pathogen nosode that tested good to be taken through photons.
4- My list is long, but I used though photons Heel products (like Lympyhomyosot, Hepar Compositum, and others). My favorite ingested ones were chlorella, bear garlic tincture (kidneys), cardamon (cysts and lymph), magnesium on and off, Rechtsregulat D1 dilution.
during the photon treatment, I think I didn't use any of the heavy metal chelation stuff, but I did that a bit after finishing with lyme, so after May.I used mainly the KPU supplements, but stopped fast.
5- Yes, I still feel this is so far the fastest borrelia killing protocol I ever encountered. It makes antibiotics and herbs look like at least 1 century old treatments, very very old fashioned and ineficient in my opinion. It is not even comparable, in my opinion.
However, I now think that it is MOSTLY a killing protocol, and that's it. For all the other problems, you need other treatments. Like if you have a scar, heavy metals, root canals, etc, you need specific treatment for that. And other coinfections that didnt go dormant with dr. W's protocol, well, they each need individual treatments.
6- During photon treatment, I think I didn't do many other parallel treatments that I remember, except for detoxing the usual herxes...
7. 8- It was my root canal teeth, but now they went sort of quiet again. So my main health concern is in my mind now, I think, that I find is not as clear as a clean pond, but a bit wavy. I'm doing yoga, meditation and pranayamas for that.
I rarely take any medication, I'm not taking any herb either and NOT doing any preventive photon treatment at all.
Cold's starting, so this year I'll go trying Vit D3 in low doses to see if I catch less colds than usual. I sometimes take Rechtsregulat when I remember, and still continue loving my cardamon tea. I take propolis when I start catching a cold and a few homeopathics, when they test good.
9- I certainly do. UNQUOTE UNQUOTE UNQUOTE ---------------------------- All the above is by Selma.
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Here is some information from Selma: QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE --------------------- File - Some hints for PE1 treatment
[bionic880-PE1] Some hints for the PE1 treatment ... Mon, October 19, 2009 1:56:55 AM From: selmanaka <hardynaka@...> ... Add to Contacts To: [email protected]
for a complete description, almost daily, of how I used the PE1, see the link below:
---- USING AUTONOSODES THROUGH PHOTONS: With my daughter, I didn't start with Borrelia nosodes: I started with her knee liquid autonosodes, done at home:
28 Jan 09: I did her autonosodes with the liquid from her knee and potencialized it D2, D4, D6, D8, D10, D15, D20, D30. So far, she tested until the D30. I guess I'll need to do a D60 soon.
I just got the borrelia nosodes from Stauphen Pharma but they still don't test. Her knee liquid has all her pathogens...
So no need for her to use the Bb nosodes at that moment (acute infection). She took nothing else to kill, only to clean.
it tests with only 30% of potency, 50% of the LEDS being shaded behind a double thick paper I stick to my PE1 (with aluminium foil in the middle of the sandwich, shiny part to the LEDs), and the accupuncture points test only for 2 seconds each, well, this looks like very powerful.
I always used nosodes with NON PULSED (direct mode), about 1-2 seconds in each acupuncture point.
Direct mode is dangerous. I felt that since day one. I never used direct mode without nosodes. When I use nosodes and direct mode, I never photooned more than a couple of seconds in each point. This remains true from day one back in January.
Since the beginning, I used Nogier frequencies in problematic points (like her knee and tummy), in my case were muscles, tummy and joints, if my memory is good. Inflamation responded well to Nogier, according to my notes.
I started combining Sanum from January on. ---- START WITH LOWER DILUTIONS AND INCREASE DILUTIONS WITH TIME:
The rule with nosodes (both autonosodes and Bb standard nosodes) is to start with LOWER dilutions, like D2, D5, D6, D10, D12, D30, D60, then increase the dilution as they test (to D100, D200, then K6, K30, K100, K200, K1000, if possible /necessary).
Another key is energetic test.
For me and my daughter, each time I add a killer protocol with photons, I added a complete cleansing protocol with and without photons. If we used cleansing without photons, I felt in disadvantage. Photons + nosodes kill all the time. So we needed to use photons to cleanse all the time.
---- DON'T ADD MUCH HOMEOPATHIC INFORMATION THROUGH PHOTONS TOO FAST.
Another rule was to add cleansers not in the same day as killers, I mean, when photooning such cleansers. The message of the nosodes has to be kept pure in the body for at least one whole day, best if it is kept minimum 2 days. Then add some other cleaning information through photons. However, the oral intake or massages, whatever, can and should be done daily, even many times a day (for cleansing).
I find biochemical killers stopped testing from day one on a photon + nosode protocol. So we stopped all intake of killers EXCEPT for the few Sanum that tested. Notice that Sanum tested for other parallel infections that rose, NOT for the infections that the photons were addressing through the photooned nosodes.
----- SOME CLEANSERS WE TOOK WITH AND WITHOUT PHOTONS: By end of January, that was what my daughter was taking parallel to autonosodes through photons:
31 January: She's on 5 homeopathic substances tested for her with ART for each organ support (liver, intestines, stomach, lymph, kidney), chlorella, bear garlic, rechtsregulat, the wonderful mix of Ubichinon + citrokehl + coenzyme compositum (Heel), Hechochur (liver detox), Chinese herbs for the liver, arthritic cleansers that she used and uses on and off when they test (Cruroheel, Mundipur, Formasan), sometimes milk thistle, cardamon, crushed flaxseed with quark, Mapurit (vit E and magnesium).
---- HOW TO TEST NOGIER FREQUENCIES WITH THE PE1: I just test with the machine on, but not with light on. I put it on my knee. I ask then problem by problem, if the light can help with each specific problem. If I get a yes, I go on, which program? A, B, ... until I find it. Then I ask, which potency, 1, 2, ... until I find it.
The more you use the machine, the best your body will be able to answer you.
If you'd like to get better responses, you can do the following (I don't do like this, but I guess it would work): get 10 clear vials, add electrolytes inside, put a vial on the screen of the PE1 and let the program A run for about 1 minute or so, at 50% potency. Do it again with each of the programs and write which on each vial.
I don't know if the light frequency would be imprinted there in water, but you could give this a try. I did this with my KMT for eletromagnetic frequencies then I just had to test the vials to discover which program I needed. I don't know if it will work with infra red, but it works with microcurrent.
After a while I didn't need the vials anymore, I just tested the machine as my body knows all programs. That's what I do with the PE1.
---- START SLOW WITH PHOTONS, NO MATTER WHAT TREATMENT YOU DO/ PHOTONS CAN HELP YOUR REGULATION BE OPEN: I started treating myself with autonosodes (not with the standard Stauphen pharma nosodes). I took it while my borrelia was still dormant. I made it from wounds of Tuberculosis and photooned these autonosodes. These autonosodes had probably no information of Bb as they were dormant when I collected it. After a while, my Bb started to be awaken (I wonder if photons didn't wake it up or it was due to stress I lived having my daughter sick).
I was back then (January) very sensitive to photons. Now I'm much less affected by them.
I do feel photons can help us have our regulation open. But it may have the opposite effect, I suppose (if overdone, or if done to someone that is not using proper cleansers, of if done to areas full of parasites, I suppose).
-------- NOTES ON NOGIER FREQUENCIES: Nogier frequencies work pretty well by themselves, when muscle tested. Each frequency and intensity seems to do a good work, for example, on reducing inflamation, muscle pain, arthritic pains, or even in my case, on my skin infection (I never got my feet skin so good since starting it few weeks ago). Only Nogier alone is doing the job there, without nosodes whatsoever.
So in my case, I'm getting convinced that Nogier alone can work as killer for certain pathogens. Or it works so well cleansing or balancing cells that it does 'indirect' killing, if you see what I mean... My very chronic skin infection is on hold basically with Nogier alone.
Troy: it's funny now I see I mention inflammation all the time back then. I had forgotten I had that too...
--- NOGIER AS KILLER FOR CANDIDA/FUNGI: For the first time in about 12 years, I had a winter without GREAT skin problems (infection and inflammation) . I combined both ingested Sanum and Nogier for that. I can't remember if I photooned Sanum, I guess yes at some point later though. ---- ADD SOME ALLERGY DISENTIZATION TREATMENT WHEN KILLING OR CLEANING: I think the suggestion of Gigi to treat allergies and sensibilities is a great suggestion. Bejoy also needed to treat many of it. Me too. whatever method you find, treat sensibilities if you can.
---- HERXING WITH STAUPHEN PHARMA NOSODE TREATMENT:
My first Bb nosode treatment from Stauphen pharma was on Feb 2nd.
That's what I wrote: I did my first 10 nosode borrelia treatment today. This IS STRONG. Got a reaction (probably a herx) about 5-6 hours after. Fortunatelly, it was bearable, nothing like the dreadful heavy metal detox reaction I got in the beginning of my chelation story years ago.
I did 1 autonosode treatment with my blood + the PE1 on direct mode, but only once in three weeks (that I remember). So, I don't think what's helping my skin are these autonosodes. I think it's Nogier without nosodes.
Even mucor racemosus can't really develop on skin with Nogier applied once a day. I use Nogier on my hands for about 1 minute (or even less?) and on my feet (the same). This is my daily treatment for skin. Nothing else. Nogier for me, tests as killer, I start to be convinced it is killing.
-- PHOTONS ALONE CAN'T KILL ALL CANDIDA BUT HELPS: It may NOT be enough to eliminate pathogens, but I start to strongly believe it is helping to kill. But still the best thing Nogier has been doing, in my feeling, is cleansing or balancing. I'm using it mostly for this purpose. If it kills, it's a plus!
-- PHOTONS MAY WAKE UP DORMANT INFECTIONS: At that moment, I was testing for many infections. Many of my infections were active. About 1/3 of the vials, I thought. A few days later, I recounted again, and I had almost 50% of the pathogens testing active (that meant more than 50 certainly).. . this was on Feb 2nd.
---- ATTACH NOSODES TO THE RIGHT POINT OR THEY MAY FAIL TO WORK: I learned one thing today. My daughter is 5, and I attached her 9 nosodes one after the other (like a train with wagons) and put them vertically above her belly button. We finished photon treatment in a minute or so, then I took the nosodes off her body. She CONTINUED testing for about 5 or 6 of the nosodes.
I kept wondering what happened. My only explanation was that the nosodes were not on her solar plexus anymore, but almost on her chest as she's so small. So I re-attached the ones that were still testing and this time did 2 'trains', one side by side above her belly button, then did the photon treatment. Bingo: they didn't test anymore after.
So there seems to be a specific area around the solar plexus that is still good for treatment, but if we get away from this area, the treatment loses effect.
--- CLEANSERS WE USED INGESTED PARALLEL TO NOSODES THROUGH PHOTONS: My daughter's and my protocol for INGESTION on Feb 2 was only consisted of CLEANSERS and things to balance organs:
So me and my daughter are on the almost the same cleaners now, Rechtsregulat, chlorella, bear garlic, Hechocur (liver detox), Chinese Liver herbs, tryroxinum homeopathic tested today, the magic mix I said before with Ubichinon Citro Coenzyme comp (can't live without it anymore...), cardamon, Mapurit (vit E and magnesium).. . She's still on other homeopathics for her yin state tesetd by ART, me I'm not... Quite an easy protocol compared to before. ONLY OF CLEANSERS!!!
-- POTENCIES FOR USING WITH NOSODES:
I first did nosode treatment with 30% of potency. Now we are testing for 40%. As with Nogier, I think I only saw one person testing for a 60% potency.
The highest that I remember for myself is so far 50%. My daughter hasn't reached it yet (her maximum, if my memory is good, is 40% either with Nogier or with direct mode). I don't think I'll ever reach 100%. No need, I suppose? I feel the potency has to do with penetration, the smaller the body, less potency. The closest to skin, the smallest the potency.
Late note: now I can use up to 90% on Nogier. Killing usually asks for less, about 30-50 maximum for us. The more we took photons, the more our body could handle them. Now I feel comfortable with 70% when needed. But I always muscle test. MORE DOESN'T MEAN BETTER. At least, with photons.
--- INGESTION OF NOSODES X PHOTOONING THESE SAME NOSODES:
I do feel the photon treatment is stronger than ingesting. That most cells get the info while with ingestion, there's blockage somewhere, therefore we need going on ingesting to make our cells getting the message on what to do.
That was my impression on Feb 2nd. I still think the same. Photooning anything homeopathic is MUCH stronger than ingesting. I have my doubts if it is even more strong than to take these IV. I believe, theoretically, yes. Photooning is more strong than injecting.
I stress again here, the PE1 is like 2 MACHINES IN ONE. Nogier frequencies are well known to help in a few areas.
Using the PE1 or any other device with NOSODES is something else. I can use daily Nogier frequencies, but I in no way can use daily sessions with nosodes.
The killing effect with light+ nosodes is different than with ingested nosodes too. Ingested nosodes work a bit like herbs or abx, you ingest them, and a few minutes or hours after you get a herx, you see the infection load going lower, symptoms decreasing, then after some hours, you feel the infection coming back and you need to ingest killers again. At least, that is my pattern.
With light, the nosode treatment is different. It is very difficult to see a cause-effect reaction so fast as with herbs-abx-ingested nosodes. Herxes are also different, I feel we herx less. And our bodies continue the killing days after it, in a way it looks milder.
But somehow, we both of us are not needing anything else to kill, no killer herbs, none of Buhner herbs tests, nor Noni, Samento, bee venom even in homeopathy, bee venom ointments, nor even propolis tests, nothing that boosts the immune system either like eleuthero, bee pollen, Sanum Utilin S, Utilin H...
--- WOMAN'S MENSTRUAL CYCLE:
I had forgotten about that. Lyme messed with my hormones, and even during the period I had no more lyme, my menstrual cycle got messed. It only got back to normal recently, and I think photon treatment had to do with it.
-- Nogier doesn't seem to kill mycoplasma.
--- NO NEED TO INGEST BB KILLERS:
I absolutely didn't need any Bb killers ingested since the beginning. And it remained true until it got dormant for good sometime in May. --- GU SYNDROME: PHOTONS SEEM TO UNBLOCK BLOCKAGES ALL AROUND. THERE CAN BE MANY PATHOGENS FREED...
You can ingest whole botlles of borrelia nosodes for months, or years, I don't think they cure chronic cases. But with photons, these nosodes are reached all over, the information doesn't get blocked, so borrelia indeed lost one of its most powerful guns against our bodies!
I just keep thinking about the article about the GU syndrome, a disease caused by a 'secret' pathogen used to poison enemies long ago in China. The GU ideogram was of worms in a closed vase. The idea was that such Gu disease was described as worms growing in a closed vase, like when we leave some food inside a pot and close the lid and all the critters develop.
The author was comparing the Gu syndrome/disease to lyme disease. The patient is seen as though his body is a closed vase, that rottens inside, no circulation, no movement, no cleansing, no air reaching where it should, then worms grow inside.
The Chinese treatment of this syndrome was to make things and energy move inside patients. Many died awful deaths though.
I have the feeling that using photons, we open the lid of the rotten vase, then circulation re-starts...
--- By Feb 5, I added Bb nosodes to my daughter's knee autonosodes. She started testing for higher dilutions, meaning, her healing was progressing.
I myself did my second Bb Stauphen series treatment. At that time, I was having my late lyme symptoms from September 08 back (muscles pain, numbness, fatigue).
-- OK, that's summary of page 1 in lymenet. There are 15 pages, I will add next time more.
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The above is by Selma, not by me.
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When you do photon therapy, possibly every pathogen and every toxin in the body can be and is being mobilized. Photons are not selective. It does not mean they and neurotoxins leave the body. Unless you know what to expect and have learned to deal with that fallout, as I have learned in a very difficult way when we were treated in Germany, this therapy takes great expertise. Very few doctors know how to do it safely.
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: 5- Yes, I still feel this is so far the fastest borrelia killing protocol I ever encountered. It makes antibiotics and herbs look like at least 1 century old treatments, very very old fashioned and ineficient in my opinion. It is not even comparable, in my opinion.
However, I now think that it is MOSTLY a killing protocol, and that's it. For all the other problems, you need other treatments. Like if you have a scar, heavy metals, root canals, etc, you need specific treatment for that. And other coinfections that didnt go dormant with dr. W's protocol, well, they each need individual treatments.
6- During photon treatment, I think I didn't do many other parallel treatments that I remember, except for detoxing the usual herxes...
All the above is by Selma.
I completely agree with this. I treated parasites, heavy metals, and toxins separately. I also did KPU.
I am completely well from Lyme and all coinfections. I test negative via ART testing for any of the infections.
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