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Who was it that recommended that here last week?? (thank you!!)
I bought some and it was even on sale, two for one... I was blown away by how I actually got a reaction from it.
I usually feel no effects from OLE at all.
I would like to know this: I am taking it for yeast and was wondering if I have to take it two hours away from the probiotics since it is also an anti-bacterial??
I know you don't have to worry about taking Diflucan away from probiotics, but I guess that is a different story?
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Thanks Lymetu! I made the mistake of buying the liquid. Nasty tasting - I felt results too... but feel like puking when I even THINK about putting it in another tea!!!!
I found a place to buy it - 2 for one also. Looked at several sites - I guess pricing is the same everywhere for this supp. Thanks for the tip.
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If it's killing the yeast, it will also kill the good guys, so i would take the probiotics away from the OLE.
Gael
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Ohhhh yes! That stuff is medical grade and knocked my socks off! Worked up to 12 a day because I planned to kill bartonella and Lyme and viruses with it. Not sure what it did but I did almost end up in ER!
My doc said it is POTENT. Also broad spectrum. They should do IVs of it!
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Wow, amazing to hear! I didn't recommend Seagate OLE, but I sure have mentioned OLE many many times in my stay here.
I may have to try Seagate. I was using HerbPharm (I believe) liquid drops. Yeah, not the best tasting, but I could care less about that right now. If I had to eat raw seaweed to get better, I would do it.
Lymetoo, you're saying you had a much better reaction with Seagate OLE right? I might have to give that a try!
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- Yes, OLE will negate probiotics if taken together or too closely together. I would separate OLE and probiotics by more than 2 hours, if possible. -
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There's no chance it's hitting Lyme is it Lymetoo?
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I've read that it is the oleuropin (sp?) content that does the trick. Eastpark is supposed to have the highest, but I've not tried either yet. Tried other beands without much success. I know Seagate makes good products.
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-------------- An Olive Leaf formula (that contains Terminalia chebula):
My ND (naturopathic doctor) recommended MYROLEA B. Most naturopathic doctors and acupuncturists know about the Seven Forest formulas. As this is a combination formula, there are ingredients included to help the body with "clearing heat" and metabolizing toxins.
Myrolea-B (White Tiger) is a simple formulation of highly concentrated extracts from four Chinese herbs and one Western herb.
The Chinese herbs include forsythia and lonicera, two of the key ingredients of Ilex 15 (and the main antiviral ingredients of Yin Qiao Jie Du Pian), thus boosting the dosage of these essential ingredients.
Myrolea-B also contains the antiviral agents scute (huangqin) and terminalia (hezi). The Western herb in this formulation is olive leaf, which is one of the primary anti-viral herbs derived from the European tradition.
SHUANGHUANGLIAN: Potent Anti-Infection Combination of Lonicera, Forsythia, and Scute - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine - 2003
Shuanghuanglian (SHL for short) is a modern formula that was devised in the 1960s to treat a variety of infections. It is comprised of the alcohol-water extracts of three herbs: lonicera (shuanghua, often called jinyinhua), scute (huangqin), and forsythia (lianqiao). . . .
. . . One of the early preparations of the SHL was a tablet made of equal proportions of the extracts of each herb. This was used to treat leptospirosis, a disorder caused by a spirochete bacteria, related to the organism that causes Lyme disease.
Leptospirosis causes initial symptoms of fever and chills, headache, and muscle ache (especially in the shoulders); these are consistent with "flu-like" symptoms described for the onset of many acute infections.
In a 1971 report, the formula was described as being made in 500 mg tablets derived from 3.7 grams of the crude herbs, and being administered in doses of 10-15 tablets (thus, equivalent to the extract of 37-55 grams of herbs) every 6 hours (1), a very high dosage.
. . . Recently, Shuanghuanglian has been applied successfully to treatment of Coxsackie B3,
. . . The general indications for SHL . . . are "relieving the exterior syndrome, clearing away heat and toxic material," and its indications are "treatment of fever, cough, and sore throat that arise from wind-heat syndrome."
It is said to have "a good action in treating upper respiratory tract infection, tonsillitis, laryngopharyngitis, pneumonia, acute enteritis, viral dysentery, etc., when caused by virus or bacterial infection."
- full article at link above.
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Detail from two of the most reputable sources of OLE:
Die-off effects -- Olive leaf use causes the death of microbes. The liver, kidneys, intestines and skin are therefore tested to their limits, to deal with, and remove them. This causes Herxheimers Reaction, which can have a variety of symptoms, but basically makes one feel ill or under the weather due to a treatment's effect upon the body.
Thus, "die-off," referred to in medicine as the "HERXHEIMER reaction," occurs when the olive leaf components kills large numbers of harmful germs rather quickly. Then, the patient's membranes absorb toxic products from these dead microorganisms. . . .
See details at link for:
� Safety Precautions and � Known Drug Interactions
SEAGATE Olive Leaf Extract - also see their menu for all their OLE products, including nasal spray, personal spray, etc.
Excerpt:
Side Effects:
Olive leaves have been used safely for thousands of years. The only known side-effect is the possibility of a HERXHEIMER reaction, an allergic response caused by the rapid die-off of fungi that release toxins which may temporarily cause a brief allergic reaction, lasting for several days.
. . . Are there any contraindications with Olive Leaf Extract?
No contraindications with other drugs have been observed.
�� However, Olive Leaf Extract should not be taken with antibiotics produced from yeast / fungus or along with additional amino acids other than those received in your everyday foods. They might cross out each other's effectiveness. . . .
- Full article at link above.
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PROBIOTICS still need to be taken. Take several hours away from OLE (and from all supplements and also from Rx). OLE will negate probiotics if taken too closely together. -
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OLE decreases the effect of all antibiotics by yet unknown way of action so take it also away of them if it possible.
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Seagate also has an OLE nasal spray that is awesome....for those who get nasal/sinus symptoms.
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You HAVE to let me know how the nasal spray works.. Please don't forget!!
The inflammation in my sinuses is killer, and so bothering.. Steroid nasal sprays are out, so if this helps... I would have found heaven!
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Yeah watch out...start slow on this stuff. I don't know what it killed for me but it was potent....other brands I have tried don't compare.
Other weird thing was that it seemed to have lowered my blood pressure. That is not good.
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Wolfed... I may not use it for awhile .. hmm... or maybe I will just to see!
It wasn't expensive I don't think.
CD57 .. So you're the one who recommended this? COOL!! Thanks!
I did read that it can lower blood pressure. That is not good for me. However, I've been on it for almost a week and my BP is as low as it usually is... not any lower. I'll keep an eye on it though. Mine needs to not get any lower.
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I've been taking OLE for the entire duration of my treatment, I read something saying it is a good anti yeast! I didnt know it fought Lyme and co too!! good to know! I never noticed anything on it though I might need to try seagate, I'm a little scared though lol
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- No need to be scared - just start slowly with a low dose and see how you do. Never start anything new if you have to dash out the door. That, I learned the hard way. I've also been surprised by different brands of the same herbs.
OLE can help fight any infections. Help being the key word. There is no one thing that is the magic ticket for lyme. OLE works better for some than for others.
It helped me but, alone, it has not been enough for lyme or the total mix. I relied upon the Myrolea-B combination for many months and, while it was a great help, it was not at all enough.
OLE is an excellent one to have on the rotation list. It is important to alternate from time to time - unless it's working for candida and then continuing most of the time can work with a break of a day every now and then (and a week every couple of months), substituting something like
Goldenseal or Coptis.
I will say OLE was enough of an anti-fungal to totally prevent candida when I was on abx, (although probiotics should still be taken as separate times of the day). I started OLE before the abx, took all through abx and never had any trouble at all with candida.
I wish I had known that for decades before. It had taken me years to recover from candida before that with daily diflucan for 6 weeks still not totally effective. I think having started the OLE days BEFORE the abx was most helpful. -
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Sorry to ride this post but that is why I started taking it to prevent yeast and I think it does the job there with Probiotics and Diflucan once a day!!
Thanks guys!!!!
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