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lymekuda
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That is what my doctor is saying what is wrong with me. I was first diagnosed with MS, treated for it and became VERY ill.

Anyone else out their that have been told this? Anyone with a MS diagnosis first and then recovered? I have been in treatment for 2 years now and am fearing that I w3ill never get better. I have seen lots of improvements, however I guess at the moment it is my vision that most concerns me.

Thank you for answering,

Kuda

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There are quite alot of pepole that get told they have MS when they really have undiagnosed and untreated lyme disease. ive honestly heard SO MANY stories about it. its more common than you think

plus. if someone has lyme and they do MS treatment. they get MUCH WORSE. I believe that might be whats happening to you

have you been tested for lyme disease at all? if you havent you should. and even if you dont test positive for it I think you should go to an LLMD and try to get treated. what you think is MS might just be untreated lyme.

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I was first dx with MS then tested Igenix positive for Lyme years later. I did 3 years of Avonex injections and a year of Immunoglobulin infusions. I got no better on MS treatment.

What it gets called depends on what doc you see. In my experience, a neurologist will always say MS and an LLMD will say Lyme.

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I was first diagnosed with MS.

Found out later it was Lyme.

Treated for Lyme and co-infections for about 3 1/2 years, and I'm better now.

There's hope.

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LOTS of people were told they had MS and it was Lyme.

Watch this video and read the links!

MS and Lyme

MS and Cure Unknown author Pam Weintraub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVPRWiukp_M

Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yk0C-uX9cU&feature=related

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/stealth.htm
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=041617
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=042877

She was dx'd MS found out Lyme.
Her story is featured on the Public Health Alert Newsletter
http://www.publichealthalert.org/NOV%2007%20PHA.pdf

Chronic Lyme Disease: Connection to MS- Facts behind the controversy
http://www.newhaven.edu/unh/lyme/

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I was first told I had MS... I eneded up having lyme, babs and bart... I think MS is ALWAYS lyme...
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I was first told I had MS... I eneded up having lyme, babs and bart... I think MS is ALWAYS lyme induced...
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Thank you to everyone for replying, you all gave me some hope [Smile] !
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Yep. I was dx with MS as well. Luckily for me I did my research and went to an LLMD before doing any MS treatment.

I think you would have gotten better a lot faster if you had not been on the MS meds first. But there is hope yet! Just remember this disease (Lyme) can take a long time to treat.

You have seen improvements... thats a good sign!

I'm not 100% better, but I'm functional and living a mostly normal life. WAY better than when I was first dx with MS!

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Me, too. Diagnosed with MS and found out it was Lyme. I was given Lyme info from an online friend who had progressive MS and found out it was Lyme. She had so many lesions and now has only a few. Someone else online told me all their lesions disappeared.

liz

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WOW, that is very encouraging [Big Grin] ! Thanks guys!!! I just keep getting these relapsing remitting multiple sclerosis type symptoms.

Like optic neuritis and limping also dragging my leg something that sounds like drop foot. Is that common with Lyme as well?

Liz I would love to talk to your friend who had progressive MS.

Thank you all again!

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I forgot to mention that there are drs. who think MS is late Lyme. My LLMD says when you think MS you have to think Lyme, too.

I emailed my friend to see if she is a member here and mentioned dropping by this post. She did have ON.

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lymekuda
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Thank you Liz!!!
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there is a lymenet search mechanism here...
some past posts regarding this

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/search

type in lyme/ms or ms/lyme

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I had optic neuritis too...went blind in my left eye. Also had lots of other MS symptoms, tripping over my feet, vertigo, migraines, buzzing, twitches, etc. Many doctors wanted to say MS but my neuro insisted I didn't have it. My MRIs and spinal were clean. My reflexes were abnormal -- just not hyper -- I actually don't have reflexes in my knees since getting Lyme.

Antibiotics fixed most of my MS-like problems.

I am proof that you can have lots of MS-type symptoms and get better.

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lymekuda
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Thank you Jennie, my problem is that I had 15 Brain lesions at the time of my MRI 4 years ago...

Was bitten by a tick when I was 10 years old, problems ever since...

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Sorry to hear that... I've read that lesions can go away with treatment. I hope that happens for you.
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Thank you Jennie [Smile] !
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My PCP is leaning toward MS. I have an appointment with a second neurologist at the end of the month. I just saw a LLMD last week for the first time, and I have clinical diagnoses of Lyme, Babs, Bart.

She told me to keep the neuro appointment, but I am going into it with a very skeptical point of view. I will have blood work back (although that is so sketchy that it can't be relied on) and have started abx by then, so I will have some idea of a reaction.

If I remember (yep, brain fog), I will PM you after my neuro at the end of the month.

Best to you,
MA

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lymekuda
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Thank you Rera [Smile] !

I wish you all the best!!!

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I was also diagnosed with MS & it was actually Lyme

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Thanks for chiming in Nicole!
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I am starting to give up, maybe I should just accept the MS diagnosis... However I think I would be fine if I had not been bitten by that tick when I was 10 years old... I remember laying in bed talking to my dad "shorty after the bite" and I was so scared I was crying, I remember saying I don't want Lyme disease dad...

I also remember taking pills for a few days after the bite. I am guessing ABX. It was for maybe a week or so, can't remember...

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quote:
Originally posted by lymekuda:
I am starting to give up, maybe I should just accept the MS diagnosis...

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I am doubting treatment right now Lymetoo [Frown] i did two years of orals and i am worse off than before... Better in small ways, but limping and optic neuritis worse... I recently just started IV doxy, am skeptical because I have been on and off oral doxy so many times. I think the bugs are immune?

This is also very difficult living in Canada. All the docs up here and saying MS, MS, MS... Their are no lyme docs up here...

Are you better Lymetoo? You have a lot of posts lol!

Thank you for your support.

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Oh.. I forgot you were in Canada... national health care. Sad.

Will they try anything other than doxy???

I've been off abx for 6 1/2 yrs now... doing well! Wish you were too!

If you allow the MS dx.. don't do the steroids or you'll be DONE.

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I am in treatment from a doctor in Seattle, I did 15 months of rebiff when I was 21-22... Am now 25.

Rebiff is not a steroid but suppresses the immune system. I became a sicker.

Two years of orals with US Doc and now on IV doxy for almost 2 weeks. Soon I am going to suggest switching to Zithromax IV. The neuro stuff hasn't improved with the orals. I tried IM Rocephin but I can't handle it [Frown] ...

Maybe I will suggest IV Tetracycline.

I am just losing hope. [Frown] ...

Congrats for getting well [Smile] ! I hope I can join you someday.

[ 03-05-2011, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: lymekuda ]

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kuda,

Have you looked into LDN? It is used for both MS and Lyme disease (and others, like my Ulcerative Colitis). You could do it along with your abx.

liz

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Hi Liz,

Just doing some reading about LDN, it sounds very positive for people with MS or Lyme! I am going to talk to my doc about it on monday!!!!

From what I am reading it sounds difficult to get? Why would they not want to prescribe this drug?

Thank you for all your help!

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Is anyone taking LDN for Lyme? Have they seen results from taking it? As I have read more it is not looking so positive...

[ 03-06-2011, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: lymekuda ]

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My LLMD prescribed it for me. I took 2 mg for the 1st month and just started on 3 mg last week. I am hoping it helps my colitis and Lyme, and anything else it can.
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Thank you Liz, I will ask for a prescription! Might be hard to get in Canada...
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I was diagnosed with MS, a borderline case in that I had only a few minor MS symptoms. The standard Lyme tests were negative and I had some lesions on my brain & spinal cord. I also had a history of unexplained fevers and bouts with aches and pains and weakness. I thought I probably had Lyme but thought that the docs knew their stuff so I went with the MS treatment. I gave myself daily injections of Copaxone for about 3 years. I got worse and worse actually thought I was gona croak. The Copaxone came by FedEx monthly and a screw up on my order saw my last delivery of that drug come 2 weeks late. Well I improved in those two weeks w/o the immunosuppresent (sp)and decided that I had better find a Lyme doc...found one and we discovered I had Lyme and Babs. I took oral meds for a little over 3 years and am okay now BUT that damn Copaxone allowed the Lyme to do damage to my body that I will always have to deal with. I had a tough time on the meds but suddenly I was better and one day I realized that I had beat it. Don't give up yet.
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Wow thanks for writing eddog!!!
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I am not convinced of the connection with brain lesions and MS symptoms. from what I have read there are many folks with no lesions and symptoms and no symptoms and lesions. I am sure it is better to not have them, but this connection is not as clear as folks think IMHO
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lymekuda
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Interesting thought process Matt... I unfortunately have classic MS symptoms, whatever MS is...

Was bitten by a tick when I was 10 years old, it injected a numbing agent into me that's how I knew. I don't know what to do anymore but what I do know is I have had enough...

Thanks for writing Matt!

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The friend I mentioned above with an incredible number of lesions felt the same way, Matt. With Lyme treatment the lesions started going away.

I only had a few lesions and lots of symptoms, so I would have to agree with you.

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