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Kevin V-910
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Good Afternoon,

I suffered badly from Lyme about 2 years ago. I saw a LLMD in MA who started me on a large dose of tetracycline over a few months. I started feeling so much better I thought i was cured. I recently devleoped a stomach bug last week, started feeling better after a few days then suddenly one day got extremely dizzy and lightheaded and sensitive to light. I wound up in the ER and of course they blew off lyme returning and just said i was dehydrated and it was my sinuses. Three days later i still do not feel better. My pupils have been dilated since then. Lights just seem so bright.
It feels eerily similar to my symptoms 2 years ago although i cannot remember if my pupils were dilated like this.

thoughts? I'm on day 4 and it hasn't gotten any better. I'm really nervous.

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Sorry to hear of this. Sadly, it never really left. There is no cure for lyme. Many achieve remission, sometimes long lasting.

In your case, you should have had longer treatment to begin with, treating at least a couple months PAST remission.

Combination treatment, with frequent rotation also works best. One single antibiotic often fails.

However, now that you already know the ropes and have posted in "Seeking a doctor" I hope you will find an ILADS-educated LLMD soon and get on track.

You should also be assessed for other tick-borne infections. Lyme rarely travels alone.

MAGNESIUM, CALCIUM and FISH OIL may help now to reduce the sensitivity to light. Rest well. Take care. Avoid aerobics. Avoid steroids.
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You will not need another test for lyme as you had a positive IgM before. Band 23 is very specific, indeed, especially with your past and current symptoms and the fact that you were under-treated before.

Other tick-borne infections should be assessed by a LLMD.

I'm posting your test results to help others with their replies.
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Kevin V-910 posted on 26 March, 2009

Western Blow Results

! LYMWB IgG WB Negative (R)
IgG band 9s) (kilodation:
P23
--Expected Values--
Negative


! Lyme IgM WB Poisitive (R)
IgM band (s) (kilodation):
P23, P41
--Expected Values--
Negative


band 23 is Outer Surface Protein C....species specific to Borrelia burgdorferi.

(Kevin V-910)
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www.ilads.org

ILADS - International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society

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http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/

Lyme Disease ASSOCIATION

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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_research/lyme_articles4.html

Lyme Disease: Two Standards of Care

by Lorraine Johnson, JD (revised 2005)

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http://www.clinicaladvisor.com/controversy-continues-to-fuel-the-lyme-war/article/117160/

From the May 2007 issue of Clinical Advisor The Clinical Advisor is a monthly journal for nurse practitioners and physician assistants in primary care. Home page: www.clinicaladvisor.com

CONTROVERSY CONTINUES TO FUEL THE "LYME WAR"

Discusses differences in the methods of the IDSA from those of ILADS

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http://www.lymedisease.org/news/lyme_disease_views/592.html

THE HUMAN FACE OF TICK-BORNE DISEASE - by Pamela Weintraub

October 11, 2010 at the Institute of Medicine (IOM) Talk on state-of-the-science Lyme workshop. She is author of CURE UNKNOWN

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http://tinyurl.com/5crsjv

CURE UNKNOWN: Inside the Lyme Epidemic (2008) - by Pamela Weintraub

This details what an entire family went through. Having this knowledge of their journey will help others to get better, faster treatment.

http://www.cureunknown.com

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http://www.underourskin.com

Documentary: UNDER OUR SKIN

(you can purchase for $35 at the site or see if you local lyme support group has a copy to lend.)

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http://www.lymepa.org/html/dr__j__burrascano_september_20_0.html

Burrascano's Powerpoint SLIDE presentation 9-20-08

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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Advanced Topics in Lyme Disease (Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages

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As important as any supplements, sections regarding self-care:

Go to page 27 for SUPPORTIVE THERAPY & the CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES

and also pages 31-32 for advice on a safe, non-aerobic exercise plan and physical rehabilitation.

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This is included in Burrascano's Guidelines, but you may want to be able to refer to it separately, too:

http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf

�� Nutritional Supplements in Disseminated Lyme Disease ��

J.J. Burrascano, Jr., MD (2008) - Four pages

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It's very important to have this book as a reference tool for self-care and support measures. It answers so many questions in detail that is impossible here on the forum.

http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)

THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION (2008)- by KS, MD

You can read more about it here and see customer reviews.

Web site: www.lymedoctor.com

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http://www.lymebook.com/insights-lyme-treatment-strasheim-book

INSIGHTS INTO LYME DISEASE TREATMENT

- by Connie Strasheim

This book is based on interviews with 13 Lyme-Literate Health Care Practitioners. Each practitioner is given one chapter in which to share their healing strategies

http://www.lymebook.com/steven-harris

On-line Sample Chapter from the book: Chapter 1

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http://www.lymeinfo.net/index.html

LYME INFO Website

� details about Lyme disease symptoms, diagnosis, treatment, and prevention

� peer-reviewed medical literature

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Regarding psychological and psychiatric matters caused by neurotoxic infections:

www.thehumansideoflyme.net

The Human Side of Lyme

Deliberations of a psychiatrist who evaluates and possibly diagnoses Lyme and other tick-borne diseases of the mind, sharing case histories . . . .

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http://www.lymedisease.org/

California Lyme Disease Association (CALDA) is a non-profit corporation acting as the central voice for all tick-borne disease issues. An excellent website for anyone in any state.

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http://www.publichealthalert.org/

PHA - Public Health Alert � an on-line newspaper devoted to education in the field of lyme and tick-borne disease.

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STATE � Many states have their own Lyme disease association, network or group of a similar title. A Google search can often find that. Be sure they are ILADS-minded, though.

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http://www.lymenet.org/SupportGroups/

Find LOCAL LYME SUPPORT GROUP

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Glad to see that you already did this:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=2&submit=Go

Post in �Seeking a Doctor� forum
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In addition to the usual coinfections from ticks (such as babesia, bartonella, ehrlichia, RMSF, etc.), there are some other chronic stealth infections that an excellent LLMD should know about:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=069911#000000

TIMACA posted 03 August, 2008

I would encourage EVERY person who has received a lyme diagnosis to get the following tests.

- at link.

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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=020605

MAKING THE MOST OF YOUR LLMD VISIT
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I know all this must be frightening, overwhelming and downright sad. However, if you can get to a good LLMD soon, you may find this will have you feeling better by spring or by summer.

You mention dizziness and sensory sensitivities. That can come from many things such as inflammation, toxicity caused by infection. In addition to MAGNESIUM, CALCIUM, FISH OIL . . .

GINGER CAPSULES may help the dizziness/vertigo. Other matters of inner ear and sensory challenges in this thread compiled specifically for LYME patients - lots of details about ears and what can help.

� of the way down page one, there are lots of LIVER SUPPORT LINKS as liver support is essential to helping the ears:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS
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Yes.
My daughter was in tx for 1 1/2 years, and we thought she was "cured" after being totally asymptomatic for a year.

Even her LLMD said that he expected never to see her again.

Her symptoms returned after a year of great health. That was almost 2 years ago, and we've been fighting to get her healthy again, with no luck.
We are both infected with LD, Bart. and Babesia.

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thanks Keebler. Do you recommend going back to the same LLMD I went to before? i was symptom free for over a year so i never really followed up-probably my mistake
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Well, (assuming you followed doctor's orders exactly and took excellent care of yourself both during treatment and afterward) that doctor (I would not call him a LLMD at all) seems to have:

� provided incomplete treatment for lyme with monotherapy for too short of a time period

� did not educate you sufficiently so as to know how to manage a remission and that you always had to keep an eye on this

� apparently did not assess for coinfections

so I wonder how you could ever trust that doctor again. I would not be able to do that.

However, if you left treatment early against the doctor's recommendations, you might consider returning to this doctor.
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