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I have heard mixed reviews...that it helped some folks to turn the corner, but others stuck to the strict diet and are still very ill with no improvement...And...I am more referring to lyme/co-infections symptoms not yeast symptoms.
Thoughts anyone?
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Imo, outside of actual treatment, it's number 1 (because you're putting something into your body on a day to day basis - what's more important?)
In fact, I think most of us are in this situation as a result of poor diet/lifestyle.
Healthy guts and healthy immune systems potentially keep many bacterias at bay (even borrelia)
Through all my diet research I've come to one conclusion. Eat real, whole foods and good things can happen. (Moderation being key)
Eat modified, altered, chemically-riddled foods and you're rolling the dice.
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- Definitions of a "strict" diet vary widely. I don't like the term "diet" as it implies being out of balance and punishing, as well as temporary.
A person can enjoy a fabulous range of delicious foods with:
Organic foods as much as possible.
A food plan totally free of all processed foods (sugar, flour, etc.), additives, artificial ingredients is very necessary, in my opinion and experience.
For many, it's necessary to be free of: gluten, dairy, corn and soy.
A food plan that involves vegetables with EVERY meal is good - one green and one red, orange or yellow. Leafy greens like kale, chard and collard should be consumed once or twice a day.
Salads are nice (if with no processed dressings) but really are not nearly as nutrient dense as the leafy greens that require light steaming.
One that concentrates on a balance of healthful proteins, complex carbohydrates from LOTS of vegetables and low sugar fruits like dark berries, and WHOLE non-gluten seed like Quinoa or a grass like Wild Rice - and good fats - is helpful.
SPICES (many are not "hot" but even "hot" spices can be tempered and even those that are not hot (such as turmeric and cumin) add great flavor and are anti-oxidant in nature) . . . and GARDEN HERBS should be enjoyed in abundance with each meal. Saut� an onion and you are on your way. Add garlic, ginger, rosemary, etc.
All this is intended to enhance the quality of life.
I think it can be nearly impossible to become and stay well if one does not learn how to cook from a wide range of ingredients from the garden and from around the world (such as with spices). -
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- I assume you are asking because your food plan may not be optimal. Here are some chefs to present you with many gifts: ---------------
SARA MOULTON focuses mainly on very healthful simple meals that are delicious. She is not gluten-free, but many of her recipes are, or can be easily adapted.
CHRISTINA COOKS - Natural health advocate/ chef, Christina Pirello offers her comprehensive guide to living the well life.
Vegan, with a Mediterranean flair. Organic.
She was dx with terminal leukemia in her mid-twenties. Doctors said there was nothing more they could do. Among other things, she learned about complementary medicine and she learned how to cook whole foods. She recovered her health and is now a chef and professor of culinary arts.
She has program on the PBS network "Create" a couple times week. Check your PBS schedule.
To adapt: in the rare dishes where she uses wheat flour, it can just be left out for a fruit medley, etc. Brown Rice Pasta can be substituted (Tinkyada or Trader Joe's). Quinoa and the dark rices can also be used.
But she focuses mostly on very filling vegetable dishes and garden herbs.
Regarding her use of brown rice syrup, just leave it out and add a touch of stevia at the end.
From Nina Simonds, the best-selling authority on Asian cooking, comes a ground-breaking cookbook based on the Asian philosophy of food as health-giving. The 200 delectable recipes she offers you not only taste superb but also have specific healing . . . .
. . . With an emphasis on the health-giving properties of herbs and spices, this book gives the latest scientific research as well as references to their tonic properties according to Traditional Chinese Medicine and Ayurveda, the traditional Indian philosophy of medicine. . . .
THE CURE IS IN THE KITCHEN, by Sherry A. Rogers M.D., is the first book to ever spell out in detail what all those people ate day to day who cleared their incurable diseases . . .
MEDITERRANEAN DIET (minus the wheat and the wine) is also good. It's many vegetable based, with delicious herbs in the meat dishes. Quinoa, dark rices - and unsweetened pomegranate juice can be substituted.
Look up Black Forbidden Chinese Rice & the Red Bhutanese Rice. The nutritional content is excellent and these will help fill and fortify you, even in moderation, along with lots of vegetables.
When you start cooking Quinoa, be sure to have a very fine sieve. Most strainers are not tight enough and the quinoa can flow right though when rinsing.
The regular (white/tan) quinoa must be rinsed first (unless otherwise stated on the package. Red Quinoa does not require rinsing. Not sure of the black as I've not yet gotten that that.
Slideshow of some chefs� favorite spices, mixtures.
1. Chef Ana Sortun cooks Mediterranean-inspired food at her restaurant Oleana in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She loves the spice mixtures from La Boite a Epice.
2. New York's La Fonda Del Sol chef Josh DeChellis likes Pimenton de la Vera (smoked paprika) to add to dishes to give it a Spanish flair.
3. Chef Joji Sumi of Mezze Bistro and Bar in Williamstown, Massachusetts in the Berkshires, melds Asian and French flavors with local, seasonal ingredients. His spice choice: Togarashi. It's a blend of Asian peppers, citrus, sesame seeds.
4. Chef Jose Garces of Garces Group in Philadelphia and Chicago creates his own spices.
5. Chef Jehangir Mehta of Graffiti and Mehtaphor in New York uses turmeric, chili powder and onions when he cooks his Indian-inspired food.
6. Chef Michael Anthony of New York's Gramercy Tavern opts for simple. Basics like sea salt enhance flavors without hiding them.
7. Chef Joshua Whigham at The Bazaar by Jose Andres in Los Angeles uses cinnamon for his playful and sophisticated cuisine.
Cinnamon is an underused spice. When cooking with cinnamon, it adds an unbelievable depth of flavor to any foods you are cooking.
8. Michelin starred chef Gary Danko of Gary Danko in San Franciscos uses coriander for both sweet and savory preparation.
Coriander adds an intriguing fragrance and character. It plays an important flavor in savory duck confit, as well as other ethnic dishes and spice blends.
FRESH GARDEN HERBS like rosemary are available in the produce departments.
Amazon and cooking sites have contraptions called "herb keeper" but you can make your own.
Trim the stem and store lightly covered with breathing room (cut holes in a paper cup or fashion a paper towel dunce cap of sorts with an open tip or notches cut into a used yogurt cup) so that it does not mold.
Always keep fresh rosemary in your fridge door. It's amazing how much rosemary can enrich your life.
Keep in a glass jar in your fridge door with just a little water at the bottom. Once cut, BASIL does not keep well, though. Or, at least, I�ve not figured out how to do that. I�ve also failed at growing herbs indoors. Sigh. -
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A new book came out last year, "The Lyme Diet - Nutritional Strategies for Healing from Lyme Disease," by Nicola McFadzean, LLND in San Diego. I haven't read it yet.
If anyone would like to take a look at it and report back, that would be helpful.
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- To put all the Lyme Diet books together, here's the author's link to the one Robin just posted, and a couple others that focus on healing foods for lyme patients: ----------------------
Keebs...you certainly are the wealth of info...'much appreciated...I am sure that I speak for most on here!
I have always been a pretty good eater...both pre-lyme and now...very healthy...not organic...but little sugar, no fat (except when I was on mepron and had to take it), no alcohol, no caffeine, etc. I was in impeccable shape, pre-lyme. Worked out like a maniac, got plenty of sleep, ate well and healthy.
I have the new book, Recipes for Repair, was thinking that perhaps changing my diet more "to the letter" of the anti-inflammatory route may help, as I have been really struggling lately...nothing really has worked for me...and I have been on numerous orals and IV.
And...'wanted to add, too...
I also eat raw garlic daily, take numerous supplements, drink kefir, decaf green tea, drink tons of water both with and without lemon, etc.
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I absolutely believe changing the way I was eating helped me. I was never a big eater, and was never a junk food junkie, but did follow the high carb/low fat diet of the USDA food pyramid.
I've had neuro problems for over 20 years. About six years ago I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia because the doctors didn't know what else to say. I was in bad shape, had to quit my job, couldn't climb stairs, had to walk with a cane and was pricing the scooter things.
I found a fibromyalgia website and followed some of the suggestions for feeling better.
#1 was to eat a low carb diet (I found I like the Protein Power plan). Learned not to fear fat.
#2 was certain supplements like Alpha lipoic Acid and B-12.
Those things didn't cure me, but I'm convinced they helped me to be funtional again. I can work and even get to the gym now and then.
I'm always in pain, but I know now that sugar and other carbs double the pain.
Good books (not specifically Lyme related): Protein Power by Drs. Eades Good Calories/Bad Calories by Gary Taubes
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I personally don't believe it has much impact besides preventing and helping yeast issues. I go to one of the best Lyme doctors in the country and he hasn't even mentioned it.
Of course, eating healthy has plenty of benefits. But IMO, it doesn't play a major role in combating Lyme and coinfections.
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quote: In fact, I think most of us are in this situation as a result of poor diet/lifestyle.
How did you ever come to that conclusion?
For myself and I'm sure many others on this forum, nothing could be further from the truth.
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quote:Originally posted by nybasketball212: I personally don't believe it has much impact besides preventing and helping yeast issues. I go to one of the best Lyme doctors in the country and he hasn't even mentioned it.
Maybe many LLMDs are like most physicians - woefully ignorant about nutrition. Nutrition is barely touched upon in med school.
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Why would diet only help yeast and not affect other things? It's just more obvious with yeast than other things because often we can SEE changes in yeast through diet (white tongue going away, etc.).
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Mine isn't the popular opinion around here. But I haven't really seen it make a difference. I see the sickest of the sick on here eating VERY restrictively, and they have continued to be the sickest of the sick year after year after year.
I have seen a number of people get well without using any supplements or making any dietary changes. My son is a prime example. He had congenital Lyme, very severely; and was bitten and then had severe Chronic Lyme. He never took a supplement and never changed his diet, but did go on treatment from a top LLD. It took 1 1/2 - 2 years, but he is now completely symptom free and off all meds for about 4 = 6 months and we are hoping it lasts.
I went on a gluten free, sugar free, everything free diet because of gall bladder issues for about 2 months. I ate nothing but veggies and a few other things. I noticed absolutely no difference in the way I felt though I lost a few pounds which was great.
I definitely want to eat healthy and after a very bad eating period once my gallbladder settled down, and the holidays hit, I want to go back to the healthy eating I was doing before.
Some people have celiac, etc...I don't. I just can't possibly keep up with all the things some people do on here. At one time I was taking so many supplements, I literallly had to swallow some of them with every sip of liquid I drank all day long to get them in. I needed two extra large pill boxes each day JUST for my supplements. I have absolutely no idea if ANY of them helped at all, except the fiber because as long as I took that, I wasnt' constipated.
Now I am newly diagnosed with Myasthenia Gravis, and find out all these supplements I was taking were completely contraindicated for this disease I've probably had for 2-3 years. So, I feel like you can't win. I started getting every supplement recommended on here and no matter what I did, there was still yet another one and yet another one every day and I could never keep up. I have about three HUGE baskets full of unopened bottles of supplements.
So, that's my opinion, and I know it is not the party line. It's just my experience.
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I agree with you Tracy, some of us can be a little more open with the diet. Some of us cannot. I did the same thing, I bought everything and spent so much money on foods I hated and supplements that sometimes even seemed to make me feel worse.
I am a very healthy eater, always have been. I can be pretty disciplined and was for my first 4 months. I just lost way too much weight. Both of my LLMD's told me I did not need to be so strict. I did need to limit sugar. Everything else in moderation.
I am taking great probiotics and never have a white tongue. Lucky for me I am not a "white" food eater. Never was. So I am adding some things to my diet lately like wheat, ezekiel bread, a weekly whole grain bagel. Maybe a slice of pizza twice a month.
NO cookies, candy, soda. Then again I never ate these things because they are very bad for us anyway. I think people have to tweak things to their own needs.
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Tracy,
Just because you don't "notice" a difference doesn't mean it isn't doing anything.
I didn't notice a difference on my college fast food diet (in fact I felt very satisfied after meals).
Sometimes you're simply preventing issues from arising (aka heart disease) by eating what most deem healthy.
But at the end of the day you're right - it's all personal preference and listening to your body (which is a tough concept to grasp for most - Lymies do a good job of it imo)
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Just because you don't "notice" a difference doesn't mean it isn't doing anything.
Absolutely.
Eating white foods (esp sugar) does feed spirochetes as well as the yeastie beasties.
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I wholeheartedly agree a healthy diet is essential for anyone...lyme disease or not. I am working toward doing better and better with that. I have done really well (except this holiday slip) with cutting out junk food, because I can be a real junkie if it's around!
I just meant in terms of people who talk about being sick if they eat a tiny bit of gluten, etc...that's just not me. Fortunately.
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"In fact, I think most of us are in this situation as a result of poor diet/lifestyle."
That statement is erroneous and has the "blame the victim" mentality which I find incredibly offensive.
The majority are here because of a tick bite that went unnoticed--no tick or rash seen--and as a result became ill--very, very ill in many cases.
My family's diet was healthy to begin with. My kids got sick despite being very active in sports and in general.
The onset of their illness has nothing to do with with diet or lifestyle. They got sick from a tick. Very, very sick from one little tick.
In the quest for wellness we have modified our diet as we will do whatever we can to achieve health.
Going dairy-free had no effect. Going gluten-free (along with adding other supplements) is benefiting one of our kids, so we are committed to sticking with it.
Most people who come here realize the importance of a good diet, ie, fruits, veggies, lean protein.
Triathlete, keep in mind that LD and yeast share some of the same symptoms. Diet alone won't "cure" anyone--but it's a very critical component on the path to wellness.
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Well... you found my comments offensive because 1) you're blowing them out of proportion 2) you apparently chose to skim over critical parts of the comment like the word "most." 3) you didn't continue reading the thread where I expanded on my comments with -
chaps, We live in a toxic world. Even "healthy" people aren't near as healthy as they think. The technologically advanced, fast-paced modern lifestyle is one that leads to disease. Again, just my opinion. Didn't mean to offend anybody. Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009
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"In fact, I think most of us are in this situation as a result of poor diet/lifestyle."
I found this statement offensive because it is. I did not blow anything out of proportion as these are your words, not mine. I did continue reading the thread and happen to agree with you that we live in a toxic world.
I do find your statement offensive but I also believe that you didn't mean to offend anyone with your comment.
I hope you can appreciate that what you said can be viewed as "blame the victim" and how that comes across to people reading this.
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Agree to disagree on my statements being offensive.
But ya, I didn't mean to 'blame the victim.'
I meant it more in a way of - it's almost impossible to avoid the 21st century burdens placed upon us in the average American lifestyle. (I say American because it's all i know - I'm sure the rest of the world is exposed to similar environmental toxins)
I'm also one who believes that the number of people who are harboring borrelia and co-infections, NOT caused by tick bite, is far greater than most can imagine.
Human to Human infection > Deer Tick to Human
And in those cases - I think the poor diet/lifestyle plays more of a role as the immune system is brought down and bacterias break loose so to speak.
I'm glad you understood I wasn't trying to be offensive.
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Definitely not taking sides here, but Cane correct me if I am wrong.
I understood it like this: It's no surprise that our general food source is very contaminated. Even foods we think and have been taught to believe are healthy (Ex: Soy) are not. They do not have the vitamin and mineral qualities that they once did.
The Lyme disease may take advantage of this and our weakened GI and Immune system. This could make the disease and symptoms worse than what they would have been if our food source had been purer.
IMO
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Can your statement is ridiculous. To say that most of us are in this boat because of unhealthy choices to begin with is absurd! I've never been one to eat junk food way before Lyme. I was in great shap and health before the bite of a nasty tick took that away from me.. Then turned my thyroid against me! I think healthy choices overall are a great choice on more days that not! But if I desire a bowel of pasta or a slice of cake I'm going to have it. I don't see where enjoying a few foods that the so called Lyme community is against will really set me back! Plus.. I need to maintain my weight and carrots and chicken for dinner every night just won't cut it for. I don't think it's healthy at all to be too thin while fighting this sort of disease. Just my two cents!
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A fairly balanced and varied diet took me clear through the whole Lyme. Never changed a thing. Ate all fruits, veggies of every color, never stopped drinking juices, and never had a yeast problem. I still avoid refined ingredients. preservatives, artificial colors/flavors.
(Watch for high oxalate foods)
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quote:Originally posted by canefan17: Agree to disagree on my statements being offensive.
And in those cases - I think the poor diet/lifestyle plays more of a role as the immune system is brought down and bacterias break loose so to speak.
This was definitely not true in my case. When I was brought down by a new tick bite (about 9 years ago) I had been eating fresh, whole foods with a good portion of them being organic raw fruits and vegetables, had practiced food combining, had avoided processed food, and juiced regularly, for YEARS.
I ate this way because I was already infected and this is how I stayed healthy. Yet that new bite brought me down. It's complicated how/why we get sick.
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I ditto what sixgoofykids said above. I followed the same healthy diet, but one bite took me down.
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I don't think anyone can argue that it hurts....For me, if it helps me get better, even one day sooner, then count me in.
NOW....I love food and sweets, so I sub with stevia and try to stay on the straight and narrow. Just do your best. Thats all you can do.
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I agree, Whitney, bad diet hurts. I've always eaten healthy and seen a benefit from it. So do my kids. My daughter was at a week long camp at a University and couldn't wait to get home and eat "real food." Even as an 18 year old, she didn't like all the processed stuff.
I think sugar and artificial sweeteners are especially bad. Along with white flour, white rice, etc.
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I believe it matters. Whenever I have strayed from unprocessed unrefined whole foods that are low to medium on the glycemic index, I get sicker.
I really like what I eat now and don't feel deprived at all. The best part of having this disease is learning how to eat food that is nutritious. I made a smoothie this afternoon with plain yogurt and frozen blueberries. It was heavenly.
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Neffer, does your diet plan have a name, or is it just "eating healthy"? If it has a name, what is it called? Thanks
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Healthy, non processed food is of supreme importance to all bodies. If you think you can get away with eating junk you are fooling yourself. You maybe able to coast for a while, but it will catch up to you.
With lyme it becomes even more important to eat healthy. Sugar is the enemy of a balanced immune system. You decide.
I know this is direct but it is the truth.
That said I very occasionally eat junk myself, but most day are loaded with fresh (organic when I can) veggies, pasture raised meat and a small amount ow low processed grains.
Just my opinion.
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I have been treating Lyme and co. for 2 years. Granted my medical treatment has moved me forward.
It was not until recently that I made a very drastic change in my diet; I am feeling (in many ways) better than I ever have. I wish I had done this 20 years ago.
I am eating a plant based diet, no meat or animal fats. I get protein from, beans, grains, protein shakes etc.. I try to limit my fat to 25 grams a day.
I decided to do this due to Dr. F's new research. According to Dr. F. the bugs and the biofilms feed off of fat.
I would challenge you to try this for a month.
I am still on medication but making big strides.
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I'm going to throw my 3 cents in... I personally think diet is relative to the person eating the foods. I think we all have different levels of tolerance to the things we eat. My significant other's grandparents are alive and kicking in their 90's, stubborn as heck, and have the absolute worst diet and habits I've ever seen: live on sugar and fast foods, smoke like chimneys, and drink alcohol every day.
Then there's me... I have multiple food and chemical intolerances, other allergens, am miserable for days if I eat restaurant food, and can't tolerate sea salt.
So... I dunno. I'm sick, they aren't. I try to avoid going over there as they keep trying to feed me - argh! hahaha
As a side note, I also have boxes of unfinished supplements that I've tried over the years to no avail, but that's because I was treating specific symptoms instead of curing Lyme disease (at least, I think that's what I have... lab tests aren't back yet). All of my symptoms were never taken into consideration as a whole so the supplements were trying to fix certain symptoms and ended up not helping. But, this is a completely different conversation :-)
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Haley - who is Dr F? If you're not allowed to say it here, can you please PM me his name? I'd like to study his guidelines.
Jenifer - I agree, and I think most others here would also agree, that it has a lot to do with many different factors, of which two big ones are "genetics" and "God".
But I think the main point is that when someone acquires a persistent infection which is not going away easily, then they should really take their diet seriously, because they might have trouble being cured on pills alone when they're eating an improper diet.
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Dr. F of Fry labs. He is an MD but also a microbiologist that looks at this stuff under a microscope.
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Great. about the diet improvements..
I have noticed great improvements too.. and I do believe it is important and more necessary than I ever though..
And there is a fine line as to what the body needs you to stop intaaking and completely as opposed to cutting back..
YOu got to do it seriously enough to make a difference..
Its just like the detox I always talk about. I had thought I did plenty of detox until I pushed it hard and passed that line where It dug in and made a big difference in my body.. I also am finding this diet has to be on target and plant based and no dairy and no meet and all whole foods.. zero oils..
It is like medicine. And I do not think it would be great to stay on forever and ever.. But to 'treat" and get this infection under control. Yes.. Well Worth it.
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