LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » HELP - Friend with Afib just went to ER. Looks like heart attack!!

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: HELP - Friend with Afib just went to ER. Looks like heart attack!!
Tammy N.
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26835

Icon 9 posted      Profile for Tammy N.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My husband's best friend (age 41) just went to the ER. Looks like he had a heart attack. We are so upset. Does anyone know much about this in relation to Atrial Fibrillation and Lyme? The reason I ask is because this group knows so much more than the docs out there. Any insight would be very much appreciated.

This is the friend I posted about yesterday (here's the thread: http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=103156;p=0)

Refresher on his situation:
He has been having terrible symptoms with Atrial Fibrillation. He is on Coumadin (blood thinner) and Flecanide (anti arrhythmia).

Upon our urging, he finally went to a LLMD about 2 1/2 months ago and was diagnosed with Lyme, Babs and Bart. He is on Mepron, Zith, Bactrim, and Nystatin.

Some Lymenet friends suggested certain meds can trigger more Afib symptoms.

Can meds trigger enough symptoms to provoke a heart attach?

Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions you can share.

Thanks so much for your time,
Tammy

Posts: 2238 | From East Coast | Registered: Jul 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
seibertneurolyme
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 6416

Icon 1 posted      Profile for seibertneurolyme     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Zithromax can defintiely trigger PVC's and PAC's. Hubby has had these show on some EKG's and then they go away and his EKG may be perfectly normal. His heart palpitations started with the first dose of zith.

Lyme especially is known to cause heart block. Bartonella is more likely to cause endocarditis.

I do know that some lyme patients do require pacemakers -- think this is usually due to heart block.

Bea Seibert

Posts: 7306 | From Martinsville,VA,USA | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
momlyme
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 27775

Icon 1 posted      Profile for momlyme     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Tammy, I have no idea... but I am praying for your friend.

[group hug]

--------------------
May health be with you!

Toxic mold was suppressing our immune systems, causing extreme pain, brain fog and magnifying symptoms. Four days after moving out, the healing began.

Posts: 2007 | From NY/VT Border | Registered: Aug 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
17hens
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 23747

Icon 1 posted      Profile for 17hens     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Tammy, try PMing Triathletelymie. She's had experience w/ major heart stuff before diagnosis. Maybe she has something helpful to share.

I'll be praying for your friend.

--------------------
"My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26

bit 4/09, diagnosed 1/10

Posts: 3043 | From PA | Registered: Dec 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
seibertneurolyme
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 6416

Icon 1 posted      Profile for seibertneurolyme     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Here is one journal article.


Schweiz Med Wochenschr. 1988 Mar 12;118(10):358-62.

[Lyme carditis].
[Article in German]

Ballmer PE, Hany A.

Medizinische Klinik, Kantonsspital Winterthur.

Abstract

In 1980 a large series of patients with Lyme carditis was first described. The most frequent symptom was atrioventricular block, more unusual were other arrhythmias, nonspecific ECG alterations, cardiomegaly and pericarditis.

We report the case of a 51-year-old man with Lyme carditis which presented as atrial fibrillation and atrioventricular block 2 degrees. Gallium-67 scan was negative. The arrhythmias ceased during therapy with doxycycline. The clinical findings, diagnosis and therapy of Lyme carditis are discussed.

PMID: 2966436 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Posts: 7306 | From Martinsville,VA,USA | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
BoxerMom
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 25251

Icon 1 posted      Profile for BoxerMom     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Your friend is in my thoughts.

Many, many patients have herxes or med reactions in early treatment that send them to the hospital.

These episodes diminish with treatment. And we learn what meds we can tolerate.

He should contact his LLMD.

Keep us posted.

With love,
BoxerMom

--------------------
 - Must...find...BRAIN!!!

Posts: 2867 | From Pacific NW | Registered: Apr 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Tammy N.
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26835

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Tammy N.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks, friends.
Hens - Thanks, I will PM triath.

Does anyone know if reactions to meds or herxes can actually cause a heart attack?

Posts: 2238 | From East Coast | Registered: Jul 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lululymemom
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26405

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lululymemom     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
We found that Zith would worsen heart symptoms. Biaxin worked much better but everyone is different. It is listed as a side effect of the medication.

--------------------
IGM 41 IND, 83-93+ IGG 31 IND,34 IND, 41++, 58+, 83-93 IND

31 Epitope test neg.

Bartonella henselae 1:100

Posts: 2027 | From British Columbia | Registered: Jun 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
elizzza811
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 24713

Icon 1 posted      Profile for elizzza811     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
DECT Cordless Phones (and WiFi) Causes Heart Irregularities:
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/news/20101022-cordless-heart.asp

Global Television video shows how microwave radiation from Wi Fi router causes significant changes to heart function: http://www.youtube.com/safeschool#p/u/3/KN7VetsCR2I

--------------------
Urge Congress on EMF Safety, FCC Must Change Exposure Guidelines for Microwave Radiation Exposure: http://tinyurl.com/2cjq54y
Halt Universal Broadband, A Public Health Hazard:
http://tinyurl.com/3x7xrmq

Posts: 495 | From USA | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
psr1
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 22957

Icon 1 posted      Profile for psr1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
He needs to see a top electrophysiologist. Afib in and of itself is potentially catastrophic for hearts over long periods of time (causes enlargement, and heart failure) and only doctors who specialize in this (and only an expert subset of these) are equipped to address it. All the cardiologists/electrophysiologists I have seen for my afib say it is not related to Lyme, but I don't believe it. PM me if you want more info.
Posts: 360 | From New York | Registered: Oct 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
psr1
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 22957

Icon 1 posted      Profile for psr1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Tammy your mailbox is full - couldn't send that way:
Hi Tammy:
My doctor is in Philly - he's part of one of the

best practices in the world (at UPenn). I

finally had an ablation for my afib, though I

think if I had known I had Lyme I could probably

have controlled it and not gotten to the point of

needing the ablation. Although most mainstream

ducks will tell you that afib is benign, the

truth is that over time it causes heart failure

(the atria enlarge). So check out afibbers.net

and a-fib.com. Both are extremely reputable and

run by patients who had to get smart about their

conditions cause the doctors were not helping

(sound familiar??) On afibbers.net there is a

woman named Jackie who is just terrific: you wll

find her easily on the board.

Let me know how it goes-
Pam

Posts: 360 | From New York | Registered: Oct 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lou
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 81

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
When newly diagnosed patients start treatment for lyme, the herx makes all the symptoms worse. In people long undiagnosed with a high germ load, a herx can kill. It doesn't happen to everyone, obviously, but this is something to take seriously. It might require starting out at lower doses to reduce the germ load and prevent a major herx in people who might be in danger from this.

Not everyone is, obviously, and herxes are really frightening to newbies even when they are not dangerous.

Tickborne diseases do affect the heart. Lots of articles on this. Sometimes people have a pacemaker installed and then find out they had lyme and needed treatment for it, not the pacemaker.

If he has lyme, etc, that is probably the cause and most of the time patients like this do not need to be seen by cardiologists who are clueless about lyme and the heart. I went to one of these for testing, and although the test results were useful, his opinions were not. I also ended up in the ER at 4 am after more than 30 minutes of scarey heart rhythms. These cleared up when I got to the ER, so naturally the doc concluded it was a panic attack, and had never heard of a herx.

This experience and others brought me to the conclusion that most specialists are only good for testing, to document the symptoms, but useless for treatment and diagnosis.

Posts: 8430 | From Not available | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lululymemom
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26405

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lululymemom     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I agree with Lou.. Lyme can cause some major heart symptoms. I ended up 6 hours in the ER with a heart rate that was too fast to register on their monitor.. I was told to see an electrophysiology cardiologist..

Well my doctor sent me to a regular cardiologist who told me these were isolated incidents, didn't do anything for me and just told me to watch and see how it goes.

This was before I knew I had lyme. Luckily for me these episodes became fewer and fewer. Now I take magnesium and enzymes and my heart feels normal.

--------------------
IGM 41 IND, 83-93+ IGG 31 IND,34 IND, 41++, 58+, 83-93 IND

31 Epitope test neg.

Bartonella henselae 1:100

Posts: 2027 | From British Columbia | Registered: Jun 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lou
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 81

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Here is the first page of two pages of journal articles listed on pubmed:
1.
Lyme carditis: a reversible cause of complete atrioventricular block.

Bhattacharya IS, Dweck M, Francis M.

J R Coll Physicians Edinb. 2010 Jun;40(2):121-2.PMID: 21125053 [PubMed - in process]Related citations

2.

[Acute atrioventricular block in chronic Lyme disease].

Wagner V, Zima E, Gell�r L, Merkely B.

Orv Hetil. 2010 Sep 26;151(39):1585-90. Hungarian. PMID: 20840915 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Free ArticleRelated citations

3.

A 46-year-old woman with chin pain and a fainting spell.

Emkey GR, Stone JH.

Arthritis Care Res (Hoboken). 2010 Mar;62(3):434-8. No abstract available. PMID: 20391493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

4.

Lyme carditis in children: presentation, predictive factors, and clinical course.

Costello JM, Alexander ME, Greco KM, Perez-Atayde AR, Laussen PC.

Pediatrics. 2009 May;123(5):e835-41.PMID: 19403477 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Free ArticleRelated citations

5.

[Reversible complete heart block by re-infection with Borrelia burgdorferi with negative IgM-antibodies].

Guenther F, Bode C, Faber T.

Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 2009 Jan;134(1-2):23-6. Epub 2008 Dec 17. German. PMID: 19090448 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

6.

Paroxysmal AV block in children with normal cardiac anatomy as a cause of syncope.

Silver ES, Pass RH, Hordof AJ, Liberman L.

Pacing Clin Electrophysiol. 2008 Mar;31(3):322-6.PMID: 18307627 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

7.


[Total atrioventricular block following a tick bite].

Verbunt RJ, Visser RF.

Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 2007 Sep 1;151(35):1941-4. Dutch. PMID: 17907546 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

8.

[Complete heart block and Lyme disease: report of two different cases and literature review].

Elikowski W, Małek M, Flieger J, Baszko A, Fagiewicz A, Wr�blewski D.

Kardiol Pol. 2007 May;65(5):565-70. Review. Polish. PMID: 17577848 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Free ArticleRelated citations

9.

Lyme carditis: complete atrioventricular dissociation with need for temporary pacing.

Xanthos T, Lelovas P, Kantsos H, Dontas I, Perrea D, Kouskouni E.

Hellenic J Cardiol. 2006 Sep-Oct;47(5):313-6.PMID: 17134068 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Free ArticleRelated citations

10.

[Lyme carditis and symptomatic sinus node dysfunction].

Franck H, Wollschl�ger H.

Z Kardiol. 2003 Dec;92(12):1029-32. German. PMID: 14663614 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

11.

[Diagnosis and course of myocarditis: a survey in the medical clinics of Zurich University Hospital 1980 to 1998].

Sauvant G, Bossart W, Kurrer MO, Follath F.

Schweiz Med Wochenschr. 2000 Sep 9;130(36):1265-71. German. PMID: 11028270 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

12.

Borrelia burgdorferi as a cause of Morgagni-Adams-Stokes syndrome. Long time follow-up study.

Bartunek P, Mr�zek V, Varejka P, Gorican K, Zapletalov� J, Sklen�r T.

Wien Klin Wochenschr. 1999 Dec 10;111(22-23):964-9.PMID: 10666810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

13.

Lyme carditis: complete AV dissociation with episodic asystole presenting as syncope in the emergency department.

Rosenfeld ME, Beckerman B, Ward MF, Sama A.

J Emerg Med. 1999 Jul-Aug;17(4):661-4.PMID: 10431957 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

14.

Cardiovascular manifestations of Lyme disease.

Paparone PW.

J Am Osteopath Assoc. 1997 Mar;97(3):156-61. Review.PMID: 9107126 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

15.

[Borrelia burgdorferi as a cause of sick sinus syndrome?].

Bartůnĕk P, Nĕmec J, Mr�zek V, Gorican K, Zapletalov� J.

Cas Lek Cesk. 1996 Nov 20;135(22):729-31. Czech. PMID: 8998826 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

16.

[The cardiac and neurological manifestations of Lyme borreliosis in congenital first-degree AV block].

Stille-Siegener M, Eiffert H, Vonhof S.

Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 1996 Oct 18;121(42):1292-6. Review. German. PMID: 8964203 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

17.

[Serious arrhythmias in Borrelia infections].

Midttun M, Videbaek J.

Ugeskr Laeger. 1993 Jul 5;155(27):2147-50. Danish. PMID: 8328068 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

18.

[Transient complete AV block as a sequela of Borrelia myocarditis].

Kruse KM, Gust R, Grosse-Heitmeyer W.

Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 1992 Jan 31;117(5):167-71. German. PMID: 1735375 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

19.

Electrocardiographic findings in children with Lyme disease.

Woolf PK, Lorsung EM, Edwards KS, Li KI, Kanengiser SJ, Ruddy RM, Gewitz MH.

Pediatr Emerg Care. 1991 Dec;7(6):334-6.PMID: 1788119 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

20.

Cardiovascular manifestations of Lyme disease.

Cox J, Krajden M.

Am Heart J. 1991 Nov;122(5):1449-55. Review.PMID: 1951010 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations

Posts: 8430 | From Not available | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hawthorn & Cayenne can REALLY help his condition.

Marc @ Lymestrategies credits it to his heart health (he had similar issues before being diagnosed with Lyme)

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
BoxerMom
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 25251

Icon 1 posted      Profile for BoxerMom     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Canefan is right. Hawthorn and Cayenne are excellent herbs for the heart.

Some with Lyme become allergic to the nightshades, so be careful with the Cayenne.

The heart needs Magnesium to function. We are ALL deficient in Magnesium.

--------------------
 - Must...find...BRAIN!!!

Posts: 2867 | From Pacific NW | Registered: Apr 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
psr1
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 22957

Icon 1 posted      Profile for psr1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
One thing to remember with afib is that whatever its cause, the longer it goes on the more damage it does. It is not a relatively benign arrythmia like pvcs and pacs, or sinus tachycardia. The afib needs to be controlled and addressed independent of its relationship to Lyme,
Posts: 360 | From New York | Registered: Oct 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Tammy N.
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26835

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Tammy N.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thank you so much for all of your input. Sometimes I really don't know what I would do without my Lymenet friends.

Now for the good news -- Our friend just found out it was not a heart attack after all!!! Last night and all day long they had our friend believing it was. My husband was visiting with him when the doctor came in just a short while ago with the good news. Answered prayers!

Thanks so much,
Tammy

Posts: 2238 | From East Coast | Registered: Jul 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by psr1:
[QB] One thing to remember with afib is that whatever its cause, the longer it goes on the more damage it does. It is not a relatively benign arrythmia like pvcs and pacs, or sinus tachycardia. The afib needs to be controlled and addressed independent of its relationship to Lyme,

Amen.

Tammy.. so glad for the answered prayers! They don't know if it's a heart attack until the bloodwork comes back and that can take more than an hour.

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Tammy N.
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26835

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Tammy N.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Lymetoo -- It should only take about an hour for the bloodwork to confirm heart attack or not?? Then what a crying shame it was that the hospital last night told him it looked like a heart attack, and it wasn't until this afternoon today they said it was not. What a long night and day of worry....
Posts: 2238 | From East Coast | Registered: Jul 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I know when they have checked me I have found out within an hour or so. It does take awhile .. Now.. Seems like I remember that they run an initial test first, then more comprehensive ones that may take longer. (MAYBE the next day... but I've never had that happen to me.)

Tell him to ask why it took them so long to tell him!!

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Before diagnosed with Lyme I was rushed to hospital twice for what I thought was heart attack (but I was 25 at time)

Heart checked out fine both times.

I asked if it was reaction to the meds I was on for H Pylori. They laughed at me and said these abx's aren't causing your heart symptoms and hallucinations.

They recommended a psychiatrist to me. lol

I searched for answers and eventually forced a Doc to test me for Lyme (I just knew - after reading about it)

tested positive and now know that that reaction with the heart symptoms was a herx from 2000mg of abx's.

No WONDER I was rushed to hospital. My FIRST accidental treatment of Lyme was 2000mg of potent abx's.

So when people say a herx can send you to the hospital - it's no lie.

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259

Icon 1 posted      Profile for GiGi         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/103329

Re Lyme/heart Dr. K.'s comments five years ago.
I posted the research/abstract here years ago. I tried to post it here now, but not permitted.

Take care.

Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
triathletelymie
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 26456

Icon 1 posted      Profile for triathletelymie     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Tammy...I just sent you a PM...

~tri

--------------------
? date of bite/no rash
10/09 symptoms, 4/10 diagnosed, after 6 mos. ER visits, tons of docs/tests
CDC+ 23/39/41/45/58/66/93
currently on oral plaquenil, doryx, rifampin, pyrazinamide, nystatin, numerous supplements

Posts: 718 | From Pennsylvania | Registered: Jun 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
momlyme
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 27775

Icon 1 posted      Profile for momlyme     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Just got to the part in the link GiGi posted of Dr. K's seminar that mentions cardio:

quote:
Lyme Carditis is a very, very serious condition. In fact, a few months ago we lost one of our patients. I had seen her only once. A young woman, late twenties, who already had the diagnosis of Lyme Carditis. Cardiac arrest. End. Do not take Lyme Carditis lightly. I was not aware of ���.. she was clinically presenting a mild case, but with some cardiac symptoms, and I certainly took that too lightly. We recommend --- So if you have a patient with cardiac symptoms, first of all, no matter what age group they are in, always suspect Lyme Disease as a part of the picture. It can cause anything � it starts with the rhythm, problems with the heart, the different episodes of arrhythmia, irregular heartbeat, all the way to angina, or true involvement of the heart cardiac muscle. We know there is a tremendous synergistic effect with heavy metal toxicity. We know people with cardiopmyopathy that had an elevation of mercury in the heart muscle of
22,000 times higher than normal. These are young people, athletes, that have developed cardiac arrhythmias and were diagnosed with cardiac myopathy, their heart is dilated;
Italian researchers did biopsies on the heart (mentions name) � she found an average of 22,000 times mercury in the heart muscles. Average. If these people get Lyme Disease, they get dramatically symptomatic and have need to be treated radically and quickly with everything that we know in order to get them through.

Great transcript (Thank you GiGi!!)... going back to read the rest!

--------------------
May health be with you!

Toxic mold was suppressing our immune systems, causing extreme pain, brain fog and magnifying symptoms. Four days after moving out, the healing began.

Posts: 2007 | From NY/VT Border | Registered: Aug 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
drew
Member
Member # 25220

Icon 1 posted      Profile for drew     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
How is Lyme Carditis diagnosed? I have had afib a 3 times in the past 5 years (bit by a tick about 6 years ago, wasn't diagnosed with Lyme until April 2010) and get pacs/pvc's somewhat frequently. I've had peaks and valley's during my lyme treatment where I thought I was getting somewhere with them, but all in all, I still get the palpitations with some degree of regularity.

I see a Cardiologist who just says I have Lone AF and doesn't really think the Lyme is connected.

I've had Echocardiograms, ekg's, etc, but no carditis has ever been diagnosed.

I believe an ekg can show that right? Just curious how you definitively find this out.

I also echo the sentiment to check out afibbers.net, great website with tons of information on PACS/PVCS and afib.

Lastly, haven't had an episode of afib in the past 13 months, so that is great. Hopefully that streak just keeps going...

Posts: 55 | From NY | Registered: Apr 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
drew...

http://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain/Website/tritzid/carditis.htm

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lululymemom
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26405

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lululymemom     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by momlyme:
Just got to the part in the link GiGi posted of Dr. K's seminar that mentions cardio:

quote:
Lyme Carditis is a very, very serious condition. In fact, a few months ago we lost one of our patients. I had seen her only once. A young woman, late twenties, who already had the diagnosis of Lyme Carditis. Cardiac arrest. End. Do not take Lyme Carditis lightly. I was not aware of ���.. she was clinically presenting a mild case, but with some cardiac symptoms, and I certainly took that too lightly. We recommend --- So if you have a patient with cardiac symptoms, first of all, no matter what age group they are in, always suspect Lyme Disease as a part of the picture. It can cause anything � it starts with the rhythm, problems with the heart, the different episodes of arrhythmia, irregular heartbeat, all the way to angina, or true involvement of the heart cardiac muscle. We know there is a tremendous synergistic effect with heavy metal toxicity. We know people with cardiopmyopathy that had an elevation of mercury in the heart muscle of
22,000 times higher than normal. These are young people, athletes, that have developed cardiac arrhythmias and were diagnosed with cardiac myopathy, their heart is dilated;
Italian researchers did biopsies on the heart (mentions name) � she found an average of 22,000 times mercury in the heart muscles. Average. If these people get Lyme Disease, they get dramatically symptomatic and have need to be treated radically and quickly with everything that we know in order to get them through.

Great transcript (Thank you GiGi!!)... going back to read the rest!
I think it's important for people to know, that the majority of people with Lyme Carditis do not die! Yes, it can be serious, but it can also resolve on it's own. Some do require a temporary pacemaker. Many with early infection, can develop L. Carditis as it becomes disseminated. It is usually treated with IV Abx..

Heart block is usually indicated when heartrate is lower than normal.

--------------------
IGM 41 IND, 83-93+ IGG 31 IND,34 IND, 41++, 58+, 83-93 IND

31 Epitope test neg.

Bartonella henselae 1:100

Posts: 2027 | From British Columbia | Registered: Jun 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.