momlyme
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My son (12) went to pick a book up off the table and he screamed in pain and went down into a chair slowly, tears running down his face.
He says its his middle back and he felt something move.
Sounds like a slipped disc to me.
We don't need referrals with our insurance. Who do I call to check this out. He is in a lot of pain.
My mom thinks an orthopedic?
Does he need an x-ray? an MRI?
Could this be Lyme & co related?
Weird thing is, my dog has lyme too... and she has back problems. Vet says it's a slipped disk. I am just about to scream in frustration.
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Lyme attacks the collagen and can definitely affect the back. Many people also think that babesia likes to hide out in the spine.
Hubby had 2 bulging discs back in 2007 which were very painful. Of course the standard docs said they should not be causing pain.
He ended up doing lumbar cervical decompression treatments on his back.
I would start with the ER if the pain is bad -- probably will need an MRI.
Then probably next choice would be accupuncture or chiropractor.
Saint Johns wort oil (from a health food store)can be rubbed on the skin for pain relief -- or take the tincture internally. Be careful as the oil will stain. You can also combine that with something like icy hot or bengay for temporary relief.
The best thing I have found and something hubby has been using for the last 6 months or so is listed below. He has scoliosis and has mild back pain from that. This is an ointment called "Rub away topical analgesic salve". It has just about every kind of oil and herb you can think of for pain relief in it. Please note that this will also stain clothes. I order it over the internet -- company takes only checks and no credit cards.
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momlyme
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Thank you both. We did get him into bed. Lying flat on his back with no pillows. He does not want to go to the ER.
He is not sleeping yet, but says he will sleep.
I will see what I can do about getting him an MRI tomorrow.
He hates those Icy Hot pads... tried them on his other joint pains.
How's the smell on those other oils? Is one better than the other?
I hate to stress him out if he really can't stand the smell (or taste) of a treatment.
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The salve I mentioned has camphor, menthol and eucalyptus all -- so the smell is pretty potent.
Another possibility -- when hubby had his cracked rib we used tiger balm. You can find that in about any drugstore. It is a small tube but it goes a long way. Think there are 2 or 3 different formulations to chose from.
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I had a slipped disc and did not go to the ER. I tried to catch a fainting adult and that was heavy.
I was lying flat on my back and I think some hard thing under the back, just do not remember what.I think the hard thing in the middle helped with pain.Ice for twenty minutes only and then wait and then another one but not more than twenty minutes.
Talked to a very very experienced physical therapist and she checked it and said six weeks rest and no surgery.She gave my instructions how move ...and then training ...met her twice a week.
It took six weeks and then I really did not lift things for long time. But now I can lift my big hepa machine.
The MRI uses gadolinium, a toxin. They can suggest surgery or just rest as I did. To me the MRI did not make sense as I was too sick for surgery anyhow.
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As someone who has had countless disabling episodes of back and neck pain, including two surgeries,(in addition to four shoulder surgeries and two hand surgeries) and many steroid injections. I now believe ALL my orthopedic issues were caused by Lyme inflaming snd weakening the joints. Borrelia loves cartilage, tendons, and ligaments.
In the 2 1/2 years I have been treating for Lyme, I have not had one episode. Painful stiffness is gone. I still have the spine of a 90 year old man (I'm 62), but by eliminating active infection there are no more episodes. Twice this winter I have moved one ton of bagged wood pellets from my driveway into the house with no problem.
I say ride it out, get to a good physical therapist, and then see an LLMD to test for Lyme.
We have an orthopedic practice in town that has eight surgeons making money hand over fist on an assembly line operating on patients who many times have an undiagnosed infection causing their pain. The surgeons have no interest in finding out the cause. In the words of one of the surgeons there, they are just "mechanics".
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momlyme
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Thanks everyone... tons of useful info.
Sounds like the MRI is out. I don't want to add another toxin to his body. He already has compromised detox pathways.
He is positive for lyme, babesia, bartonella and M. Pneum. -- he also has hpu... just got his heavy metal test back and the poor kid ranks in the 97th percentile for mercury. Also toxic in aluminum, lead, cadmium and titanium. Of course, he is deficient in all the essential minerals.
I wonder if this spine problem could have anything to do with a low Alkaline Phosphatase? This is known to be low in HPU... so that is what we are treating... but is an indicator of bone disease or liver disease.
Just started giving him hydergine last week which was finally giving him some relief from his brain fog and constant headache.
Started Alinia on Saturday... no change seen.
I wonder if this could have anything to do with either of these two drugs. These are the only two drugs we have changed.
Just thinking through everything before I start the day.
I am calling his LLMD first thing to see if she has any suggestions. Then, if she agrees, I will start looking for a physical therapist. I would say acupuncture, but he is dead set against it.
And I slipped a pillow under his knees. He didn't wake up when I did it, so at least he got some sleep!
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poor kid!!!! If he suffers from muscle tightness, it can block his back only because he did the wrong move... Heat should help him relax, but what works also is craniosacral therapy....
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I had really bad bad back pain with my infections but it was in the muscle, not the joints. It was spasms and cramps that lasted for about a month each time.
Valerian is a muscle relaxer and might help. Physical therapy was very helpful for me. Hyaluronic acid replaces collagen to help prevent joint and eye damage.
I hope he feels better soon and you get the right combo of drugs to help him.
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