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I am reading the book The PH Miracle. The author states bacteria, fungus and mold can't survive in a alkaline environment.
I did some searches on this topic here and found others saying the same thing as the book is stating. However I wasn't able to find any threads about people who got their body more alkaline and say if helped them or not.
The author also states the best way to measure ph is through blood. Urine is the next best. I tested my urine and my ph is 5.7. The book says you want it ideally to be 6.8 - 7.3.
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my llmd is big on my body being the right ph. every time he tests me he says that he is very happy with the level im at.
ive seen may us and downs with no real tangable advancement after 15 months, so im not so sure the ph is really as important as some think.
some people are now saying that too much of an alkaline environment is bad because it causes the lyme to dwell in the few acidic parts of your body causeing major problems there.
basically anything you read about lyme you will be able to read something total contradictory to it somewhere else.
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You know I've never understood this alkalinity issue. I do know I feel better when I drink Alka Seltzer Gold.
But you can't change the pH of your plasma, you'd die. It's part of the respiration feedback mechanisms. Helps control the balance of CO and O2.
I guess we're alkalinizing the intracellular compartment? Sort of like Plaquenil does?
Any one really know the mechanism? Is this really the pH of our digestive systems perhaps? The relieve I get from ASG is almost immediate. Almost as good as IV Glutatione.
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You know I've never understood this alkalinity issue. I do know I feel better when I drink Alka Seltzer Gold.
But you can't change the pH of your plasma, you'd die. It's part of the respiration feedback mechanisms. Helps control the balance of CO and O2.
I guess we're alkalinizing the intracellular compartment? Sort of like Plaquenil does?
Any one really know the mechanism? Is this really the pH of our digestive systems perhaps? The relieve I get from ASG is almost immediate. Almost as good as IV Glutathione.
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The blood has a very narrow pH range because it is vital to our survival. Whether we ingest a bottle of vinegar or bleach, or body will still atempt to maintain the blood pH within a very narrow range, as much as possible. On the other hand, our intestinal pH and body pH can vary greatly from one extreme to the next, manifest in disease states, and only make us misterable instead of killing us. On the contrary from what you've heard about blood pH, I have heard that urine pH, or better, salival pH is best when measuring total body pH.
It is true that historically, bacteria can not survive an alkaline environment. This is why we ingest antiBIOTICS, strong alkaline substances, to enter our digestive tracts, which enter our blood, and serve to alkalize our tissues (in the short run). AntiBIOTICS work on bacteria only and do not affect viruses, and in fact, help yeasts to thrive as they love higher pH levels.
It is essential to compliment antibiotic therapy with probiotics (which create short-chain fatty ACIDS) to lower the intestinal pH and keep yeast away. Therefore, the colon is the only place in the body where we want a lower, slightly acidic pH.
As I mentioned, in the short run, antibiotics alkalize the body, but in the long run, they acidify it. [Alkaline substances (most chemicals, sugar, gluten, dairy, meat) tend to acidify the body because they themselves are alkaline, and acidic substances (apple cider vinegar, lemons, limes, fiber) tend to alkalize the body because they themselves are acidic.]
You would think then, that acidifying the colon or providing the appropriate probiotics to create short chain fatty "acids" would keep the body alkaline and lyme at bay.
But it teases my brain to think that the majority of lyme patients are said to suffer from hyperammonia. Therefore alkalinizing the body in some cases has created extreme hyperammonia states-- but only in certain sites (brain, liver, heart, kidneys, etc). So why is ammonia concentrating in the brain, liver, heart, etc of the majority of lyme patients in the first place? Is it the by-product of the bacteria? How are the bacteria able to survive in the high pH of their own waste? What is survivng there, may it not be a bacteria we are dealing with, but perhaps, another organism that can survive high pH?
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS! I do not have answers yet.
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Most Lyme patients are low in HCL (hydrocloric acid) We need the HCL to kill bacteria in the stomach when we eat. If we are to alkaline and or take an antacid it defeats the purpose and sets us up to be open for infection.
Gael
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Thank you for all the info.
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There is no chronic disease without heavy metal toxicity. In order to improve the internal environment and make it less attractive for microorganism who cannot survive in well ozygenated areas, we have to get rid of the heavy metal and other environmental toxins. Toxic metals only go into solution in an A C I D I C environment.
Forcing the issue when the body is trying to correct problems is counterproductive. There is nothing wrong with some lemon water for an hour to feel better.
If minerals in balance, ph factor will also be right.
Take care.
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I tested myself this morning with the pH testing tape purchased from Swanson online. My saliva tested at about 6.5 and my urine was 8.0.
I wonder what that means? I guess it means overall that I'm in an alkaline condition? I guess that's good? I've been trying to stick to an alkaline forming diet.
Instead of calling it the "ph Miracle" perhaps it should be called the "ph Mystery."
One thing I've been made to understand: A food or substance may be acidic or alkaline when consumed, but that means nothing. What's important is whether it's alkaline-forming or acid forming in the body. Often times, as with lemons, the food is highly acidic, but highly alkaline-forming in the body.
I was told by a dentist that acidy foods provide excellent terrain in the mouth for tooth decay, so he recommended that after eating anything acidy, like fruits or citrus juices to brush the teeth with aluminum-free baking soda to neutralize and keep the teeth healthy. It's also good for the gums.
Antibiotics are supposed to be highly acid-forming in the body. So there's the rub--one the one hand, they kill the pathogens, on the other hand, by being acid-forming, they provide excellent terrain for other disease to thrive.
But here's the thing that drives you nuts, and I've posted about this before. If you try to eat an alkaline forming diet, you're feeding candida.
An anti-candida diet says no sugar and no starch. Well, the most alkaline-forming foods are fruits (with fructose) and roots, squashes, and potatoes which all are very starchy.
There's really nothing (or very little) you can eat that satisfies both of these diets except for a few vegetables. Add to that any food sensitivities that you have, and there's REALLY nothing left. Water. You can drink water. That's safe. -----IF it's purified.
Most all proteins, meaning meats and beans are acid-forming. And of course, lyme sufferers are supposed to eat a high protein diet.
So it seems no matter what you're doing, you're doing something bad.
My choice has been to focus more on the pH diet, avoid refined sugars, and not worry about eating fruit. I've never been on abx, thus I don't have a heavy candida overgrowth problem and I do take probiotics to help combat.
What's also frustrating about the pH diet is that a lot of these acid/alkaline-forming food lists that you find on the internet conflict with each other.
I still haven't gotten a definitive answer on whether lentils are acid forming or alkaline forming. The sprouts are definitely alkaline-forming, but what about the beans?
No one seems to know. Half of the lists say acid-forming, the other half say acid-forming.
Science can send a man to the moon, but can't figure out whether lentils are acid-forming or alkaline-forming.
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When testing your urine you have to do it on a regular basis. If the urine is very alkaline it's probably due to eating something alkaline forming recently and vice versa.
My strips would be black after juicing LOL.
If you test it after at least six hours of sleep you will get a better idea (ie first a.m. urine)
My LLMD does a blood test regularly. I was acidic at first and I've been alkaline for quite a bit - due to drastic change in diet, juicing raw veggies, taking supplements etc.
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