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Hey there, if i take antihistamines, 30-40% of my symptoms are gone. I'm still not good but a bit better.
I'm sure it's not a good idea to take antihistamines all the time. You feel better without them but they block some symptoms.
Anyone else has the same issue? I sometimes think i don't have lyme just this histamine problem because these antihistamines help so much
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I think someone else posted on this a while back.
I find Benadryl helps alot of my symptoms - especially when I am herxing/de-toxing.
IMO....Some people can have an allergic reaction to the die off and a strong a.h can help.
I also find a.h.'s help with symptoms related to yeast overgrowth and yeast die-off. No big surprise I have yeast allergies, so that is why it helps me.
Do you have any hidden food allergies?
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I'm trying to figure out the lyme connection. I think the histamine itself can lead to so many symptoms which are misleaded as "lyme".
Yep, the die-off is a problem. I get stomach and gut issues when i have die off
Yeast is a big problem too! Did you get rid of yeast?
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I agree - when I eat yeast, gluten or dairy by accident (or just because I want to eat like a normal human being!) I get horrible widespread body pain and other symmptoms that mimks lyme - including neuro. symptoms.
Half the time I do not know what is what and have many moments of doubt..
I think I got an upper hand on the yeast. I can tell pretty quickly when it is getting out of control and at that time I take an abx. break and up my detox.
I had to rely pretty much on a yeast free diet which is tough because when I feel good enough I like to do cardio.
I take Nystatin, Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of Oregano and a product called Candigone.
Some good digestive enzymes as well for suspected leaky gut.
Hopefully more will chime in with some insights.
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look here. it could be connected. do you have lyme, babesia or bartonella?
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Thanks for the link - I will check it out in more detail but it looks like there is some info, out there on the lyme/histamine connection.
I am a Psychologist and curious about the idea of histamine in the brain and neurotransmitters.
I have lyme but my LLMD does not think I have a co-infection. I disagree with him based on my symptoms and patterns.
In addition to Doxy and Biaxin, am treating with some ART which I seem to herx on. Also when I had to take Levaquin for a sinus infection I got really sick which makes me think bart.
So my bet is yes I do have co.'s. How about you?
Do you have issues with gluten /yeast free bread?Kinnikinnick is the only breads I can eat without a problem - it is both gluten and yeast free and actually tastes really good.
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I've been told it's safe to take antihistamines daily. My LLMD writes the prescription for me. I usually take RX Allegra or OTC Zyrtec for environmental and seasonal allergies.
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Anyone else?
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a little Benadryl at night before I go to bed helps my herxing (achiness).....it doesn't help with anything else...ie...just regular pain and fatigue from lyme.....
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Vitamin C is a natural antihistamine and immune system enhancer. Also good for keeping the bowels moving.
Gael
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Quercitin together with nettles are very effective as anti-histamines.
Address digestive issues and food allergies too, supplement with digestive enzymes as needed to break down foods. Working with the digestive tract can greatly reduce allergic responses.
Strengthen adrenal glands, they are involved in histamine reactions. The product by New Chapter Organics called Stress Take Care is excellent and very balancing, but may tend to energize a bit so careful if nerve over-stimulation is present as a lyme symptom.
If more calming effect but still strengthening hte adrenal glands is needed, try tulsi (holy basil) this tonifies (strengthens) adrenal glands over time but has a calming instead of stimulating effect.
Vitamin C, pantothenic acid and B complex also support hte adrenals.
I am a herbalist and have worked successfully with the public doing these strategies.
This information has not been evaluated by the FDA and is not intended to diagnose, cure or prevent any disease. This does not substitute for a physician's personalized advice and is for your educational purposes only.
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I'm still better with antihistamines if i take them all day long.
Today i felt this pressure in my eyes and i couldn't think. I had this burning in my chest and intense brainfog, i took one antihistamine pill and it's nearly gone. Sure they make you a bit more tired but i feel a lot better with it. So much that it confuses me about everything...
Is it possible that i don't have lyme after all and i'm just having some ongoing histamine reactions all the time? A lot of the symptoms that seem to be lyme related are caused by the histamine's. And i'm certainly not herxing 24/7 !
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Interesting post and I very recently wondered about some of the same things.
I recently stopped using an antihistamine and noticed a definite increase in symptoms... brain fog, tired (+ allergy symptoms, but that would be expected).
I wonder if some of it could be due to TH1/TH2 being thrown out of balance from Lyme + co-infections? Lyme certainly can mess up your immune system. What I am unsure of is, at what point has Lyme been fully treated, and can your immune system still be a bit out of whack afterward... hence the histamine problem?
Basically wondering if perhaps symptoms past a certain point are no longer from Lyme, but damage (or immune dysfunction) done by Lyme in the past...
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TH1/TH2 is out of balance in my case, i don't even get a flu. haven't got ONE in years. either i'm super helathy or i'm having this TH1/TH2 imbalance.
you're right that lyme can mess up the immune system in a very bad way.
my cd57 is still 30. i'm curious how many people actually have this issue.
shoemaker could be right about the toxins of the lyme bacteria doing a lot of the damage!
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Not only can lyme mess up the immune system but so can abx.s (no I am not anti-abx.s - they saved my life.)
Something I have been thinking about is Leaky Gut syndrome from all the abx.s. This causes a ton of allergy reactions to things that are but not suppose to be circulating around in the bloodstream. It makes sense to me anyway. Maybe Chiquita being an herbalist can chime in on this idea.
I titrate my benadryl. Liquid children doses throughout the day so I don't get too tired.
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