Jane2904
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Daughter seems to have problems taking most supplements etc.
Her liver enzymes are very, very elevated --her Nd wants her to take Liver support from Vital
nutrients( has milk thistle and other herbs)She is not taking any antibiotics , so I am concerned
why the enzymes are high. Still waiting for Hep tests and Mono - negative.
She took one capsule of the liver support last night and this am --her vision is weird. Also very shortly after taking the Liver support last night , she had a headache. ( not sure if related)
She says everything looks like "pixels and grainy"
The only other supplement that was just added is papaya enzymes.
Does any one know if papaya or herbs could cause changes in vision, etc?
She has had vision issues before and eye Dr. never finds anything.
She does Have Lyme and bart, Myco P.
Thanks in advance for any info
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"Still waiting for Hep tests and Mono - negative." Sorry, I'm confused....Does that mean her Hep and Mono tests are negative or you are still waiting for them?
I wish I could give you some advice as to why her liver enzymes are high, but I really don't have any ideas.
We take papaya enzymes several times a day and have never had any sort of issues with it and I wouldn't think unless she's allergic to papaya, that it would cause any problems.
My son has had "black spots" and what he said felt like sand in his eyes for a loooong time.
I took him to 3 different eye Dr's and none of them could ever find anything.
They have finally gone away now, but they didn't go away until we addressed the myco p.
The abx he was on prior to that didn't help with his eyes problems at all.
I'm sorry I don't have answers for you and I hope she feels better and you get some answers soon.
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One of my sons sees colored spots which are going away with parasite treatment.
I had always thought it was from babs but now that the babs is gone, we think it is from parasites. The reason I had thought it was from babs is because it happened 3 years ago and went away with babs treatment (which included artemisinin). Artemisinin kills parasites!!!
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Jane2904
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Sorry Mom-- still waiting for Hep results and the Mono is neg.
Thanks Mom and Tickbattler.
Anyone else?
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Ohhhh....ok, gotcha.
Keep me posted.
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Hi Jane According to Traditional Chinese Medicine, the liver and the eyes are connected.
It could be that as she is having a detox reaction, her liver is under some stress and that her body is not handling it well.
I would suggest to report this to your doc and go very ,very slowly is important.
Milk thistle is a *powerful!* liver protectant. It encourages the growth of new liver cells if used with regularity.
When the constituent called silymarin is extracted from milk thistle (this is different than using the whole herb, more like an isolated chemical in a way) and given to laboratory rats, who thereafter are fed the poison amanita mushroom...the rats show 100% protection from the poison, which causes liver hemorrhage or death otherwise! You can read about this on the government medical database, www.pubmed.gov enter milk thistle into the search box.
When people have eaten the poison amanita mushroom by accident, if they are treated with silymarin (not the whole herb, that's weaker) within 48 hours of eating the deadly mushroom, not even one life is lost, writes phytotherapy authority Christopher Hobbs in his book Natural Therapy for your Liver, which I highly recommend.
Hobbs (who has treated AIDS and cancer patients, has 35 years experience, is a consultant to the health industry world-wide, formulates for vitamin/herb co's all over the globe and knows his science in such depth that it is ridiculous) writes that hepatitis and liver cirrhosis patients show normalizing of enzymes as they use milk thistle. In the case of cirrhosis the scars never go away, but the enzymes can still be largely improved, he writes.
Can your daughter be helped in this way? I am not allowed to make any claims and after all, people are individual. Plus, people respond differently to different herbs, and the right combination of things is needed. That said, I have every faith.
Working with the liver and leaky gut syndrome, if present, is key to reversing hyper-responses. Adrenal gland balancing, ditto. Talk to your doctor about the strategy s/he believes will help.
The above information has not been evaluated by the FDA and does not diagnose, cure or prevent any disease. This information does not substitute for a physician's personalized advice. Drugs and herbs may interact, talk with your doctor.
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PS it would not be milk thistle acting alone that would normalize enzymes. A combination of herbs would be important, if not essential. The right blend of herbs, for each person's constitutional type.
I highly recommend reading Christopher Hobbs's book Natural Therapy for your Liver.
You could ask your naturopathic doctor about fringe tree bark, oregon grape root and a few other liver "cooling" herbs.
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I should add that my son's spots became black this time around and seemed to be more noticeable at night soon after we turned off the lights. When they were bad, he said it was really hard to see with little light. Slowly they have become fewer and fewer so that he says there are only one or two. Actually, now I think they are gone...need to ask him again. It sounded like they used to be more pixel-like, similar to what you described.
Interestingly, when my son was tested through EDS testing, parasites were found in his eyes. Ascaris, to be exact. We had previously gone to a lyme literate neuro eye doc and never found anything wrong with his eyes.
Treatment is very easy - you can try Caprasite or Paracleanse. Humaworm makes something for children that doesn't contain wormwood, which helped for my son but the one course wasn't enough to get rid of it all.
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Oh- I think one of the coinfections can cause elevated liver enzymes...not sure but it might be ehrlichia? You might want to look into that possibility.
We treated with Dr. J for 2 years and he never found the ehrlichia that was in my 3 kids because the tests were always negative...we found it later through EDS testing and treated it with Nutramedix herbs and got rid of it in 3 months.
Might be another thing to consider as a cause of the liver enzymes.
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Hello, I wish I had some tips for your child's eye sight issue, but I don't. However there are LLMDs (ophthalmologist)who strictly focus on Lyme, etc. Also, beets are great for supporting liver function. Please hang in there.
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Jane2904
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Thanks for all the replies and information.
On Tuesday she started a liver support supplement that is from Vital Nutrients. A mixture of Milk thistle and herbs.
I will cook some beets tonight for dinner.
She does have ehrlichia, but that was diagnosed many months ago and has never had elevated liver enzymes up until now.
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Hi Jane
I don't know about this for a fact and am not a doctor, so keep that in mind. Not a diagnosis at all, only a question to ask your doctor:
Could one of the medications she is on be causing elevated liver enzymes?
Sometimes that can be a drug side-effect. With *some of* the medications.
Something to ask about?
FYI what I posted above about her eyes and the response to the herbs is only an educated hunch. I am re-stating again that I am not a doctor and cannot diagnose. What I can do is to make suggestions and ask questions, which you take to your doctor for further inquiry. YOur doctor has the final say and is the only one who can diagnose.
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Enula from Nutramedix got rid of our ehrlichia in 3 months...you might consider trying it to see if the liver enzymes go down. It can be added to an abx protocol. What is she taking to treat it?
I still am not sure about the ehrlichia causing elevated enzymes...but I think I recall it does. If this is indeed the case, I think it is very possible for the enzymes to go up now even if she has had the disease for many months. Just like any symptom can come out at any time.
Just my opinion, but hope this helps.
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Jane2904
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Thank you for all the wonderful replies.
Tickbattler, I think you are correct. The ND feels the increased values are from healing crisis from a Homeopath remedy.
I will look into all the information in each post.
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My daughter had a vision problem that ended up most likely being Optic Neuritis. We had just added enzymes (Wobenzym) and also a new vitamin supplement. My opinion is that the new supplements enabled her immune system to kick in leading to some new Lyme (or other TBD) symptoms.
In her case, she described her vision in the one eye as having a large cloud obscured the greater part of the the central vision, with flashs of color. Some peripheral vision remained. I think she also described her vision as pixelated.
In her case, the vision problems resolved slowly over the next few days/weeks - as is common with Optic Neuritis. Still not 100% though, but much improved two months later.
At the first symptoms I took her to Children's Hospital in Boston, where many eye docs and neurologists examined her, and performed an MRI. The diagnosis was likely optic neuritis.
Not sure your daughter's symptoms are the same, but thought I'd throw out our experience in case it helps...
Good luck!
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Jane2904
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Thanks Barb, I will definitely look into Optic Neuritis.
Hope your daughter is doing better.
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