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I started the initial stage of detox for mercury yesterday.
I saw a Holistic Practitioner who works in the same practice as my LLMD.
He performed a muscle test against various metals and allergens. He then derived my doses of chlorella, garlic, and solidago via muscle test. I thought this was rather strange and perhaps subjective.
Then he performed a muscle test with various colored glasses to find my "optimum" color.
I just tend to be very analytical so I am wondering if this all works.
Would appreciate positive/negative feedback from folks who have gone through similar therapies.
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I don't think so. I know a lot of people believe in it-but I saw 3 practitioners over the course of a week-I got totally different responses from muscle testing of my meds.
One told me bactrim was good for me-I'm allergic to it!
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I personally think a lot is quackery, but some here will strongly disagree - a select few. I don't know. If two people can't replicate findings, it's not good IMO.
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Well I was very highly skeptical of this whole muscle testing/kinesiology thing.
As a very logical, methodical person who has always looked at and appreciated the science behind things, I thought for many years this was a bunch of woo-hoo voodoo.
But I have to say that after experiencing kinesiology firsthand with an excellent LLND, I am very impressed. The ND has been spot-on with several things and looked at issues in a completely different way which has made a huge difference for us.
And after years of diligently following a "let's try this and see if it works" approach, which is what our MDs and LLMDs have no choice but to do, I found kinesiology to be a breath of fresh air.
Testing to see what your particular issues are along with what will help you, combined with a different way of looking at things has been very, very helpful.
I no longer feel that I'm randomly giving my kids supps/meds wondering and waiting weeks and months to see whether they'll work.
Granted, we have only been to this one LLND, so I have no idea if results could be replicated. And like any other medical field there is a great deal of variability in the practitioners.
I can totally understand the skepticism over kinesiology. But I believe there really is something to it. Our LLMDs respect this LLND. And my PCP who is not a LLMD is very openminded as to what the LLND has to say.
Ariel, I don't know anything about "optimum colors" I've never heard of that. But the practitioner you saw is is the same office as your LLMD. Assuming you have a good LLMD that's a good sign. Maybe stick it out for a month or two to see what transpires?
Beth, if you were able to see 3 practitioners within a week it seems that they are not very busy? If that's the case, it's a red flag IMO. Did any of them come highly recommended? Were any of them lyme-literate?
Seek, I appreciate and understand your skepticism. I do think there's more than a select few here who would disagree that kinesiology is akin to quackery. I do see your point re: "if two people can't replicate findings, it's not good.
But LLNDs to my knowledge haven't been involved in clinical trials. Are there any LLMDs, MDs, NDs who have been 100% or at least 75% in agreement with tx for TBD?
No. TBD is so very complicated and each person presents differently. There is no cookie-cutter approach. This isn't like bypass surgery: cut and dry.
Ariel, aren't you glad you asked Sorry for my very long response. I hope it somehow helped. Good luck to you.
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I've been searching, maybe a bit half-assedly, for an explanation of how muscle testing works, or is supposed to work.
Can anyone here enlighten me? I'm very curious.
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One year ago I would have called this type testing hocus pocus. In fact, I told my Biological doctor exactly that when he was doing this BRS test on me. He just chuckled and didn't even respond to me. It was like he was saying to me, "You'll see".
Because of the experienced doctor I had who treated me, I can honestly say it's the real deal, at least for me it was. I've had it done by someone who didn't have any experience too and it was a total flop. It all depends on the experience of the doctor.
I recently had some very serious dental work done by a Biological dentist. He practiced this too and he is an absolute pro. I would consider him one of the top three Biological dentists in the nation. He's located in Florida. I would not want to have any other dentist treat me except this excellent doctor.
If anyone is looking for a good Biological doctor, or dentist, who does Bio-Resonance Scanning (BRS testing), or Kinesiology/muscle testing, send me a PM and I'll be glad to refer you to them.
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Gary, thx for the info on biological dental work. At this point we're lucky that we can get regular cleanings.
But I am very interested in biologic dentists. Never heard of BRS testing...I learn something new every day.
5vforest, I love your new word "half-assedly." I don't think there's another term out there that quite captures the meaning.
I wish I could explain muscle testing/kinesiology to you. I can't. I haven't done enough research myself. I've just experienced it.
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AlanaSuzanne
No, they are all busy, and considered "good" One was my acupuncturist, who interetingly, when I had her muscle test on 2 different occasions, gave me the same reults.
One was a homeopath I had been seeing who my LLMD recommended. She was the one who told me bactrim was good for me.
One was a chiropracter who does muscle testing.
I don't know-guess it depends on the practioner
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I am grateful my Md muscle tests. And I use a Pendulum or Biotensor. Pendy since the 80's. My Md and I get the same answers without telling each other before hand. Posts: 905 | From Santa Cruz,Calif | Registered: Aug 2005
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I don't buy the effectiveness of muscle testing. It can play off the mind and what you want to be wrong so-to-speak.
If the MD/ND asks first and the patient agrees, then its use is OK. I don't like when its pushed onto a patient. It can be unsettling.
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5vforest - do a search for ART - Autonomic Response Testing.
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Muscle testing much more reliable than cookie-cutter approach people who don't have access to this get stuck with.
I have also occasionally gotten different answers from different practitioners. I eventually have learned to do it myself. But, they are not all testing the same thing each time. Some will look at, is there anything in this that the body will react negatively to. Some will look at, overall, will taking this be helpful. Also, remember, your body is changing over time, so different results from a different practitioner--if received at different times--may also be a result of your body changing.
And of course, like any skill, some will be better at it than others.
Berths, how sure are you that you are allergic to bactrim? If you have had a negative response, are you sure it was not herxing?
With complicated health situations such as lyme, this type of testing can be truly invaluable in wading through what treatments to do, and when, and so on. It has been for me.
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My daughter's LLMD has a LLND on staff that utilizes ART. It is this team of doctors that has been successful getting my daughter to better health, both physically and mentally.
I didn't even know what my daughters' LLND did at first, my daughter went into his office unaccompanied...I waited in the waiting room for the first few visits. I trust her LLMD, so did not question things.
I would ask her what the LLND's role was in all of this and she would shrug her shoulders and give me vague replies...I think because she did not understand how ART worked.
Then we started to get results that we were not recieving beforehand, it became clear that something was positive about this process.
I asked if I could sit in on the testing during one of her appts...she agreed.
I had been very open-minded in the begining of our journey (eleven years ago) and became more and more closed-minded as so many things that we thought were the magic bullets fell by the wayside. I became a skeptic over the years.
I think the ART testing is a valuable tool her LLMD uses to make decisions on what way to go with my daughter and I am a firm believer in ART in tandem with your LLMD. Like MichaelTampa states, it is a complicated illness.
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When you learn to believe and do it for yourself, and trust it, I believe it is the most effective. Two things happen, your intuition grows and sense good and bad much better.
As to muscle testing practioner's, it is a matter of how good the practioner is. There are good doctors and bad doctors. There are those who can't afford to see Dr. K. who invented ART an advanced from of muscle testing and I think is the best LLMD in the country, IMO.
First, if you don't believe in it, it won't work. A person's mind can affect the outcome. And therefor the aberant results from one practioner to another may also occur. When you say it can't possibly work, it won't. We are electrical organisms a simple voltmeter can show you that. If the practioner is truly skilled they can sense the change in your muscles when you place a substance next to you. They can tell if it is either good or bad for you. I don't think all practioner are perfectly good at sensing these changes.
Also when you see a practioner and then the next. It is that day you are being tested for. Well each days different, that is perfect reason for acquiring the skill yourself.
Muscle testing is a non-device oriented form of lie detecting. The question to ask is whether it is better to learn and trust lie detecting. Or trust the medical community guesses well. It really is your choice. I've gotten well using a dowsing rod, a form of muscle testing in my mind. It works for me, I'm well, and I didn't go into hock spend a gabillion dollars for doctors.
For those who don't want believe and try to learn for themselves. Well that is your choice.
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Yea, but why spend so much time shopping for the Jedi Knight of ART? We know most docs have trouble dx'g the flu let alone lyme.
Standard lyme testing tends to be a waste of time so we treat based on symptoms.
Suspicion works about just as well as any form of testing.
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Suspicion is a form of intuition, isn't it? Could we say intuition is better then a coin flip.
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Yes, but just treat. No need to entertain redundancy...
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Muscle testing and for that matter any energetic testing applies for the here and now - not the condition of an hour ago, or the future. If you just took a supplement your body desperately needed this moment and you energy test 5 seconds later, your autonomics will respond with "no".
We are testing the autonomic nervous system's response to frequencies, whether they originate from biochemical substances, from sound, from light, from different colors, or underlying unresolved emotional conflicts. Everything carries a frequency and we are testing frequencies as they resonate with identical frequencies in our body. If the frequency of a mercury is inside our body it will resonate with the mercury contained in the vial we hold in our hand. The body will reveal the most important problem first. As more testing is performed, the deeper levels may reveal more information. Not all toxins, not all infections, not all deficiencies will show up at testing. The onion is being peeled layer after layer.
Do some studying - you have the internet - and learn to understand a minimum of physics rather than biochemistry.
If your doctor is not in the best health possible, any needs that he/she has and you may also have negate your needs when testing, a big factor many do not take into consideration.
For instance, I test my husband with my tensor. I know for certain that he needs a certain mineral or any substance and I am aware that I have a similar need, the energetic testing will reflect that as if neither of us need or like that substance. The tester has to be aware of his needs before testing and clear himself. That is one of the drawbacks of muscle or any energetic testing.
Let me add here - muscle testing such as ART and an openminded doctor practitioner is what got me well. My doctor has Lyme or had Lyme, whichever way you look at it, and that factor had to be taken into consideration before any type of energetic testing took place.
Practitioners need to be well trained and need to be aware of these rules: doctor always has to be a few steps ahead of the patient healthwise. I do know that most practitioners trained in ART in Germany treat themselves regularly, getting together in small groups, to be able to treat patients in practice.
So be careful and clear yourself before you test your partner or children, etc. with any energetic form. If the child inherited the toxic metals from Mom, your treatment needs may be identical, but show up negative because that's the way energetic testing works. If you both are heavy metal toxic or if you both have the same bacterial infections, you need to clear yourself first by sticking the test vial in your pocket ---I usually end up with vials in the washing machine because I forget removing them from my pockets!!!!!! My toxic lead vial has gone through the washer several times, because I know that both my husband and I still are lead toxic. It takes years to leave the long bones (because that is where it usually settles). Osteoporosis = toxic metals in bones.
In short, energetic testing works superbly if it is done by a well trained person. That knowledge is not acquired in a weekend seminar. There are no short cuts to learning it and doing it right.
Energetic testing, i.e. ART is what cured me of Lyme and everthing that came along with it. And it wasn't with a one-pill-fixes all. It was hard work requiring lots of patience on my part and even more patience on my doctor's part.
Don't poopoo it. It has saved many.
Take care.
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Gigi -- I'm curious about fluoride and its impact on the body. Is it an issue and have you had to deal with it?
It's my believe it too is an issue and affects the endocrine system. Sorry if this is a diversion from the topic, I know it's about testing. If fluoride is an issue flying under the radar, it should be energetic tested as well as metals. Especially since the pineal gland is very much impacted by this element.
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Wow! I just came back to this thread and I am so glad to see all the different comments from everyone.
It seems that more folks are saying that it works more so than not.
I guess I am going to go with the flow right now and see how it goes.
I'll report back once I get some results.
Thanks again everyone.
This is what I love about this forum!
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The good thing is any practicioner would be way healthier than me so that wouldn't be an issue. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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