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Many on Curezone use it..if you go there you can ask many questions.Also some use Parastroy.
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I think I am an idiot 'cause everytime I'm sent there, I cannot log in or figure out what is going on.
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They make a children's version without the wormwood. I gave it to my 6 year old. It helped but didn't fully get rid of his ascaris.
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What did fully get rid of it Tickbattler? You probably said and I spaced it.
No bad or lasting side-effects though right?
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It's probably the cayenne. They seem like a pretty reliable company. They have been very nice to me in the past (answering questions, etc.).
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Thanks Sparkle.
I did read the ingredients when I ordered it. We are taking it for a child.
You are probably right though. That burning taste was the cayenne. Hadn't put that together.
I don't mean to sound nuts with suspicion. I know senior members on the board like it. Gael seemed pleased with it and she is our parasite guru.
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No, I don't.
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Very enlightning Gigi, would you please elaborate?
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There are a number of bitter herbs in this formula - so it's probably not going to taste all that good.
If someone has a big parasite issue - it will probably make them feel ill to start killing them off. I didn't have any problems from taking the Humaworm.
I think Parastroy is a stronger formula. The 3 main herbs are green, black walnut hulls, cloves, & wormwood. The Humaworm may have too many other herbs diluting the main anti-parasite herbs.
Humaworm is a good formula but it didn't seem as potent to me as taking the basic 3 anti-parasite herbs or Parastroy. Parastroy is a little different because it has betaine hydrochloride. It's also 2 separate combos. One is more for killing & the other is more for absorbing toxins.
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I don't like that it contains senna and Psyllum. But I did three or so humaworm cleanses and it did work.
I've been rifing for parasites for over a year (very effective) and doing a cleanse every three months. The last two cleanses were ParaPhyte (from vitacost) and those were effective.
Nest time I'm going to use Capra-cleanse, I think. It's good to switch them up.
I have really lowered my parasite load and feel like I'm almost rid of them. It takes constant work and several/many cleanses to totally get rid of them and then maintenance after that!
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mojo,
Why do you not like senna and psyllium?
Thanks
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Senna, cascara sagrada, & aloes (not the gel - the powdered herb) are very strong laxitives to some people. Some people are also sensitive to psyllium. I never had a problem with psyllium.
I don't really need to take senna, cascara sagrada, & aloes but it's in some formulas. I think if I take a formula with those ingredients - I have to cut back on the dosage at times. They can be a bit harsh.
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Okay. That makes sense. This is gonna sound gross so brace yourself.
My son is on day two. He pooped this morning which is unlike him. It's usually only in the eve at bath time.
His stool was a brownish yellow......hmmmmm.
Can't say I've seen that color in a while. Kinda like a light clay color.
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Could mean not enough bile or a blockage in the bile ducts...? Just an educated guess.
I started taking bile salts today. I don't know if I would recommend that for a child, though. You'd have to look into it. I don't know what would cause lack of bile in a child.
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Thanks Sparkle.
I went on the site. His stool color just recently changed on the Humaworm.
I'm awaiting to see what todays brings.
Gigi, did you have a bad experience with this product, or you just don't trust something like this. Please elaborate.
Gael, are you around?
Thanks
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It's a great product, I've used it for years. I use it before a liver cleanse, or when traveling in other areas that may have poor quality water or food. I've researched every herb in the capsule, talked to many that have used it and spoken with their company members many times.
Any doubts or fears are unfounded, IMHO. Research the product ingredients for yourself, I did years ago. In total, a potent and effective antimicrobial, that may be too strong for the weak-stomached or very ill.
It may be a good idea to use clay or bentonite after taking it, to "mop up" the release of bugs and toxins. Drinking lots of water is also a no-brainer.
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2roads, I suggest you do a search on GIGI's posts and you'll understand more why she said that. She strongly believes in AI (seen the thread?) and Dr. K's protocol.
So, if you want to know what she believes is the best way to approach parasites, look up her posts and you'll find the answer.
It may take you days, possibly weeks to sift through it all, but the answers are all there. : )
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I appreciate the positive words Cold feet, we'll do with the water.
Okay Gary, I guess I will have to research. Real quick, what does AI stand for, and is there a lay person one-liner that might sum it up before I begin the hours of research?
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Well, it would actually take days to read the thread here called, "Allergie-Immun Germany". It's 48 pages long, possibly the longest thread on this forum.
Allergie-Immune is something that I really cannot explain to you, it's way over my head. But if you go to maybe the last three pages you can kind of get an idea of what it's about. Better yet, here's the English version of the website http://www.allergie-immun.de/Englisch/ .
It's got something to do with taking a swab of your mouth and sending it to this lab in Germany and they test your DNA and send results back to you. Supposedly they will be able to tell from you salvia what major issues you have with your health. I guess you get little bottles of remedies that are supposed to clear your pathways and help you detox so that you can get better by using specific supplements, remedies, etc.
I'm sure I'm not explaining it correctly so hopefully someone who's doing this will come along and summarize it much better than I did. Like I said, it's too complicated for me to understand it. Several people seem to have gotten better with this, some not.
GIGI is very into Dr. Kinghardt's protocol, as many others here are. I actually believe in much of what he says too and have learned a lot from reading his articles, etc. I've used some of the products he recommends and have found them to be helpful in my healing journey.
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I think that any time a person opens up a supplement or pharmaceutical capsule and ...TASTES IT ... they're going to be in for a less-than-pleasurable gourmet dining experience.
These products, whether natural or synthetic, KILL THINGS in your body. They're not found in the snack or candy sections of the grocery store. If the stuff tasted good, they wouldn't encapsulate it, they'd sell it in powder form and tell you to sprinkle it over some yogurt for a delectable tasty delight.
I'd be more concerned about such a product if it DIDN'T taste foul.
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Thanks Gary loads.
I looked up the site, esp'y interested in the parasites. i do feel my son has lung worms. Based on his issues.
I recognized salt/C but not sure that should be given to kids. The other things I don't know very well, but have to look into.
If anyone has experience with kids and the Klinghardt protocols for worms, I'd appreciate what you have to say.
I got the impression though that Gigi was not opposed to Humaworm because she felt other better things should be used, but because she didn't trust the safety of the product. That was the question I posed. I wish she would return and explain, and not leave me guessing.
I wisk we could afford Dr. K but right now we're in the midst of Doc J, and that's about all I can do.
Thanks Chaps for the observation. Yea, it does kill bad things (hopefully not good things), so it probably shouldn't taste good.
Thanks again for your input Gary, and Chaps.
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Sorry for the sarcasm, 2roads and thanks for being a good sport about it. It's like a mild Lyme rage I get into sometimes that causes abrasive posts.
I've used Humaworm with good results and I'd recommend it.
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I didn't find your post abrasive.
I appreciated the honesty.
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Someone posted this. It's a kind of Dr. K style, anti-parasite protocol. It was for a 17 years old girl...
I haven't tried it. I figured I'd stick with the herbs. I'd need a doctor, extra money, etc. I like that I can do the herbs myself.
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She is 17 years old and is an adult size and this is the protocol:
Biltricide (600 mg) 2 tabs 3x daily for 2 days.
Followed by:
Ivermectin (12 mg) 1 tab 4x daily for 14 days and at the same time Pyrantel Pamoate (1000mg) tabs come in 250 mg so 4 pills at bedtime for 14 days.
Follwed by:
Albendazole (200mg) 2 tabs 2x daily for 14 days
Followed by:
Alinia (500mg) 2 tabs 2x daily for 14 days.
This protocol is for 6 weeks and 2 days.
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My experience with Humaworm goes back a long time. I did not like the results of the capsules. I did not like the results of the cream. I did not like that product that goes into my body is being shipped in a sandwich bag without any written material, labels, etc. to refer to. I did not like the sloppy attention paid to my inquiry when products were delayed for weeks.
I like to deal with professional people, even more so when it comes to products I put on or into my body.
Take care.
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quote: I like to deal with professional people, even more so when it comes to products I put on or into my body.
Since we're providing preferences here, I'll list a few.
I like to deal with someone in our home country whom I can call on the phone, and who speaks the same language.
I prefer treatments that can be explained scientifically.
When I obtained testimonials about Humaworm, they were consistent and tangible, not enigmatic and all over the place.
When I spoke to the people at Humaworm, they were friendly, they answered all questions, and I received the product two days after ordering it.
The herbs are ground and encapsulated upon ordering, they don't stock the stuff in bulk on shelves for weeks before they're sent out.
Of all the criteria for me to choose a product, packaging is not even on the list. The people who sell this stuff want it to work. They wouldn't send it in a package that would cause it to lose its efficacy. And I don't want to pay for fancy, glitzy, unnecessary packaging.
But that's just me.
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Please note that the protocols you find on the internet that originate with Dr.K. (as the one reposted above by Sparkle) are usually all tested on the patient before they are prescribed to make sure the person is in the condition to handle them. Some people are too deficient to be able to handle some of these protocols and have to work on that first.
The practitioners who are prescribing these usually do ART or other testing to assure that the are right for the person. Some people can only handle a fraction of the products that others can handle. These are prescription drugs and have to be handled with great care. Some cross the bbb, some do not.
I have done most of them many years ago but only after the typical herbal cleanse that is often necessary to unplug the system. Never had a problem to speak of, but always knew and felt things were changing.
You will have to be aware when starting any effective parasite killing treatment that often the problems that have not been able to be shaken loose then start coming up; i.e. the parasites are holding toxic metals which will be released during the die-off. When the metals can move on freely -- if you are no longer allergic to them --, the fungi will die off; and that is often followed by brief appearances of bacteria and viral flares-- . If you have learned to test yourself, it is pretty easy to determine what you need to do next and what needs attention then, meds to use, binders to use, etc. in order to avoid bad reactions which are not conducive to healing.
It turns into an almost step after step process when parasites are dealt with, and if you know what is happening it is easy to treat. If you find metals are now testing, treat metals. Fungi, use some of the anti-fungals. If bacterial, use some of the Quintessense, Rizoles, etc. If viral, test and use some of the anti-virals.
The order and sticking with the order is important, and the simple science is that the parasites are like the aircraft carriers that hold everything else. Whatever tests - needs to be treated. It avoids all the guesswork. Many have learned a simple testing method, and if you work with a doctor, he/she should be guiding you through it.
I haven't seen Dr. K. in many years as a patient, but I have followed everything he publishes and talks about -- most of which he talked about ten years ago already, and not much has changed, except with some added refinement or an added product that seems to work better than what was known or available a decade ago.
Treating the fallout of parasite treatment is most important. If you don't, you will be detoxing the same toxins again and again and it gets more and more difficult. Recycled metals and neurotoxins are still as toxic as the first time they settled in.
Take care.
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I purchased and used Humaworm. My results were not "significant" but I did notice my digestive system wasn't as distended and I wasn't producing as much gas.
Could be coincidence but I don't know.
Mine came with a manual/instructions, a list of the ingredients and their exact proportion in milligrams. An explanation was given for packaging preferences.
All in all, the product was easy to use, and was of high quality from my examination.
I don't know how useful it is beyond that. It depends on the case I suppose. My case wasn't significant for Candida since I'd used a lot of antifungal therapies, including medications for a long time before doing this therapy.
I also detoxed during the therapy using Pekana Detox products, and did follow the instructions in the Humaworm manual regarding "detox" and drinking a lot of fresh/clean water.
At any rate, that's my experience and thoughts.
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sparkle- that's a great link for understanding your stool! What bile salts do you use?
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From my understanding - the neo- Dr. K list of drugs (I re-posted above) was not prescribed by using ART. It was prescribed by a doctor who attended a lecture who didn't really know much about parasites.
Many doctors don't really have much of an education treating parasites. I just posted it as a guideline for reference purposes in treating a young woman for parasites.
Not everyone deals with the same thing in regards to killing parasites, etc. It's not so cut & dry. In my case, I'm quite ill from doing an anti-parasite protocol. I don't know if there would be any way to avoid it. It's just the nature of the type of parasite I'm dealing with.
If I am correct in my assessment - I may have been ill from these parasites a long time. All of my Lyme, Fibro, CFS, etc. diagnoses may actually stem from this parasite infestation. I won't know until I get to the end of this treatment - which could take a long time.
No doctor I ever went to ever mentioned to treat parasites. Judging from how I feel right now - it's a big issue for me. It may not be the same for others, though. We are all unique.
Someone else's experience could be quite different, I would imagine. Not everyone has the same parasite as I do. There are thousands of different parasites - each with it's own particular quirks & toxic effects.
I don't have a problem with how Humaworm does business - I just don't think it was strong enough for me. I don't think it was helpful for me to take a 3 month break inbetween treatment, either.
momlyme - I have been taking Jarrow Bile Acid Factors as needed.
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PS - re: From my understanding - the neo- Dr. K list of drugs (I re-posted above) was not prescribed by using ART. It was prescribed by a doctor who attended a lecture who didn't really know much about parasites.
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I'm not mentioning this to be negative or get anyone in trouble. It's just that I think doctors may go to Dr. Ks seminars & come back with ideas to try. I think it's a good thing.
From the original poster's comments, I don't think it was prescribed by doing any tests - ART or otherwise. I could be mistaken, though.
I appreciate that it was posted. I just posted it again as a reference so people could research it to gather further info about how to go about treating parasites - which is not easy.
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Thanks for the answer sparkle! I will check out Jarrow Bile Acid Factors... and bile salts in general. I have never heard of Bile Salts before so thank you for the information.
I think the Dr. who prescribed this protocol you posted above does practice ART... but I am not sure yet. I am waiting on an answer to that on another thread.
My son and I did a parasite cleanse last October - 5 days in we were both so sick we stopped.
In November I tried again...my son didn't want to. I lasted 12 days - outrageous stomach pain again.
We found an NP who does muscle testing just after Thanksgiving. She guides us with dosage and product and we no longer have that stomach pain.
What I learned about our parasite treatment:
1. slow and steady 2. more is not better 3. we can only detox so much at one time.
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Thanks, momlyme.
re: we can only detox so much at one time - I think that is true.
I never realized the extent of how bad my issue was with parasites until relatively recently.
I dowse my supplements for dosage. Even still - I overdo it sometimes. I'm taking Parastroy & I'm doing it fairly gradually. I thought it was odd that my dosages were low until I take too much & try to push it.
I have repeatedly dowsed it & it always comes up that it's the parasite toxins - not he herbs, themselves. I don't know if anyone else is going through this. I believe I have flukes which can be different than other parasites.
So - I do understand how difficult this all is. I don't really understand how people could do this with pharma drugs. I would think that the die-off would be too severe + the drug side effects.
I think genetically, I may be low in bile - so, I dowse the bile acids, too & take it as needed. It may also be all those years of trying to detox the parasites in my system. It may have been stressful for my liver.
Seems that if you get ill from doing the anti-parasite herbs - it's meaningful.
Good luck.
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Also - I do medical dowsing for myself. I don't have anyone in the area that does ART. It's just easier for me to do it that way in any case.
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if you have trouble detoxing, check the level of your amino acids. If you don't have the balanced amino acids, thrown off most likely by years of leaky gut and maldigestion, they can only be replaced in the proper amounts by IV. Aminos are way too acidic to be taken orally.
But do check into this, if you are not sure. Doctor's Data has a urine test (early morning collection) that will show the levels similarly to their hair test giving toxic metals and essential mineral status. We were shocked at the results and of course this explains why so many need years and years to get rid of the accumulated toxins - of every kind, but mostly metals. That toxic terrain created by the accumulation provides the perfect housing for all pathogens.
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wow.... It is my 17 year old daughter who u are all talking about
We are not supposed to list doctor's protocols on the board as when I did it was deleted by a moderator. So I am surprised this is still on here.
Yes he came up with dx of parasites by doing ART.
Her LLMD has been treating her for well over a year to a point where she is doing very very well.
He has been doing muscle testing for many many years and went to Dr. K's latest seminar to learn the next level of testing. He really wasnt too sure about the whole parasite dx but yes after learning with Dr. K the role parasites play he was more on board...especially when the ART was very positive. He said it wasn't a weak positive there was no doubt in his mind...very strong..
He knows my daughter and he knows her health at this point as he sees her every month..and yes we drive 2 and 1/2 to see him. He is certainly not new to the game as he had lyme and co-infections all thru med school.
He has trained exclusively with Dr. H and Dr. J so he is not just some mainstream doctor trying to treat lyme. As you can see he has trained with "the best"
He hasnt steered us wrong yet..he is very cautious about the meds he has prescribed and he didnt just hand us a script after he did the testing. It took another week to come up with what he felt was the right protocol for her.
No he did not test the exact drugs as I would have to drive back to the office, however, if he suggested that I do that...I certainly would have.
2 weeks ago I had a lengthy conversation (25 minutes long) on my nervousness about this and he reassured me that he would not put her on this protocol if it wasnt necessary.
I am nervous all over again and my stress level is thru the roof...I'm now considering not even doing the protocol and maybe I will just wait until summer.
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I would go forward with any anti-parasite treatment ASAP.
I wish I did this 15 years ago. Most of my "symptoms" of what may be Fibromyalgia, CFS, Lyme, co-infections - whatever - are very possibly all attributed to parasites.
I can't stress enough how important it is!
PS - I did the Doctor's Data tests & I have low mercury levels & no leaky gut. So, it doesn't always happen that way. It may be different now but when I did the testing - it was a non-issue.
So, not everyone has these problems.
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We did the Doctor's Date tests as well and all her heavy metals etc were not really a concern...so something is causing this roadblock.
Right now she is feeling good...so I hesitate to do anything BUT I know the shoe will drop any day now as it usually does...
10 days pretty good 3 days not so good...etc etc
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I had no clue that I had parasites. They are very good at hiding! I'm not saying that it's a problem for everyone. The reason why they are so successful is that people don't know they are infected.
It's not good to be moderately OK, then go through the treatment & get more ill than you were. It does happen. From what I hear, the long term results are very worthwhile.
Gael, who posts alot about parasites, said it took her about 3 years to get through it. I don't want these things in me anymore. Long term infection can cause cancer & so many health issues.
They go through cycles. Sometimes, you may think it's over & they come back later. It is a bit like opening Pandora's box but I think it's worth it in the long run.
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Good point Sparkle its just that she has been doing so well and going to school and catching up on all her work.
But its best to just get it over with...maybe she won't even be THAT sick....if only we had all the answers....
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If you take artimisin (wormwood) for babesia-does that also kill some of the parasites?
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Yes it can. There are different varieties of wormwood. Some are stronger than others.
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