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jarjar
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Closest moon has been in 18 years. Feel free to post on this thread any heavier herxing then usual or whatever experience might arise.

Some may laugh but many on this board have reported feeling worse during a full moon as you can search in history and see.

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I just made a post in the bart herb thread a few down about last night being the worst I've ever had, but thought it was from herbs.

Now you have me wondering?

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Oh yeah the energy was there last night also but I was okay then. This morning I was dealing with very heavy stomach herxing but I had rifed for bart 2 nights in a row and attributed it to that.

Then it came to me, oh yeah the Supermoon energies is going on so I don't know but for the moment the herx from hell left about an hour ago.

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This is the worst I have ever felt. Ever.
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I am herxing terribly myself. I kind of expected it with this "supermoon." My babs is really bad, horrible night sweats and heartbeat is all over the place. I have so much fatigue too, spent the day back in bed sleeping. Woke up still feeling awful!

I can't wait for this to pass!

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Wow-I felt awful today too. Think of the ocean-it definitely feels the gravitational pull of the moon-ER's have a lot more "crazies" during a full moon. It's not superstition.
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Holy moly I thought I was actually going to die today. Started last night with NEW symptoms, I was like, is this taking over my body and about to kill me? Pain in every tissue--surreal
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Indeed. Some of you may also know about the moon's gravitational effect on our planet. Several scientists have used these lunar cycles in their seismic forecasting with surprisingly accurate results - though many dispute their methods.

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My sickest son is sleeping so much more than usual. His sinuses started acting up last night. I printed out a full moon calendar for 2011.

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So is it the parasites gettin rowdy or Lyme and co?

Who's the culprit?
(story of my life is trying to find the infectious culprit)

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parasites

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So one could conclude that if you have flareup of symptoms on full moon you are dealing with parasites?


I ask because I think this is one of the first full moons I've been flareup-free! : )

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quote:
Originally posted by canefan17:
So is it the parasites gettin rowdy or Lyme and co?

Who's the culprit?
(story of my life is trying to find the infectious culprit)

It's not necessarily intestinal parasites that get rowdy during the full moon. Remember that Lyme and related pathogens can change into "parasite-like" forms (cell wall divergent, intracellular forms). These CWD forms can be very sensitive to subtle changes in oxygen concentration, as demonstrated by Dr. Andy Wright, MD in the UK.

He would take a drop of a patient's blood and make an ultra thin smear of it on a slide and then put a cover plate on top which he sealed off around the edges with a tiny bit of vasoline. As the oxygen tension inside the sealed chamber on the slide dropped down into the anaerobic zone, the spirochetes began to hatch out from their previously invisible intracellular CWD forms and they could be seen under a special microscope emerging as spirochetes from the ruptured blood cells.

In essence, these intracellular CWD organisms react to changes in atmospheric conditions also, giving them characteristics that we generally associate with "parasites". When the increased gravitational pull of the full moon affects the tides of the earth, it is pulling on the earth's atmosphere which is fluid in nature also. This creates subtle barometric pressure changes in the earth's atmosphere.

We tend to hyperventilate ever so slightly in an attempt to get more oxygen into the body, just as we do whenever we ascend into a higher altitude on a steep mountain road above about 5000 feet elevation. Likewise, sensitive travellers may notice a similar flare up of symptoms during and immediately after a long cross country flight in an airplane because the cabin in the aircraft is pressurized to 10,000 feet.

Whenever we hyperventilate, this causes a subtle shift in the body's acid-alkaline balance because hyperventilation leads to a very subtle loss of carbon dioxide. You see, CO2 from the lungs dissolves into carbonic acid in the blood, thereby helping to maintain the pH of the blood. Even a very slight decrease in the CO2 level of the blood can affect the body in many subtle ways, especially in the magnesium level because we tend to lose intracellular magnesium whenever we hyperventilate, thanks to the resulting decrease in the pH of the blood.

Therefore, I wouldn't go jumping to the concusion that it is necessarily "intestinal parasites" per se which are causing one to have a flare-up of symptoms during a full moon. The CWD critters living as "intracellular parasites" (inside our blood cells) are being affected too. We feel symptoms whenever these CWD critters become active and change forms.

The increase of symptoms usually builds to a crescendo, starting several days before the full moon, and then these symptoms abate fairly rapidly just as soon as the full moon has passed. So if you start feeling a noticeable relief in symptoms today, then you can conclude that your symptom flare was indeed related to the full moon.

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Swelling down and fever gone this AM. Aren't those Lyme symptoms? I thought I was dealing with Bartonella only, or cannot cause this too?
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Toppers,
Bartonella rides on the RBCs. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Bartonella isn't affected by the full moon also, in a somewhat similar manner to the effect on intracellular CWD spirochetes.

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For me the full moon always brought a lyme flare. It was like clockwork and the worst flare I ever had was during a total eclipse.

Last night was not bad. I have had very little in the way of lyme flares for nearly a year. I am fighting babesia now and it does not seem to be as affected by the moon.

I agree it is not intestinal parasites. I never had them although I was so scared by the hoopla about them on here that I once took a powerful horse wormer to make sure. I took ivermectrin which gets EVERYTHING.

I had absolutely no reaction. I thought at least I would have some stomach discomfort but not in the least. Nothing.

After that I was not so sympathetic of the horses feeling badly after worming or even needing to be wormed as often as previously done. I found out most vets are changing their position on frequent worming too. They believe Ivermectrin has eliminated some of the most prevalent types of worms.

Intestinal parasites have symptoms such as lethargy, bloated belly, gas, gray skin and dry coarse thinning hair. Just look at your puppy or kitten when they had worms.

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This is interesting.. I had kind of a "melt down" the night of the super moon..and I felt HORRIBLE this weekend. [Frown]

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No herxing, no dramas, but a WILD WILD wind that beat our house and sounded like thunder on the roof! I am not kidding and I am not exaggerating. I woke up around 4am and despite overcast clouds, rain et al, the atmosphere was bright as if floodlit, as if the moonlight was penetrating the clouds and just plain lighting up the area. I thought surely there were extra street lights out there or someone was shining a strobe on the area, but no. Nothing of the kind. It was beautiful, it was dramatic and it was fun! Only wished I had known about the supermoon but we probably couldn't have seen it anyway, thick clouds and rain. Well it was wild and yes, I do believe the moon had a lot to do with it! A beautiful atmosphere the next day, not only was the air clear but the vibe was so beautiful. We've all had the light shine down on us and here we are. Blessed be.
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I know the moon does effect people and it seems that everybody that I know, has been worse this last week.

Me personally, I have been doing worse, however, I have been able to sleep for about 5 days. And I'm talking the whole day and night. Its so weird for an insomniac!!

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quote:
Originally posted by TX Lyme Mom:
quote:
Originally posted by canefan17:
So is it the parasites gettin rowdy or Lyme and co?

Who's the culprit?
(story of my life is trying to find the infectious culprit)

It's not necessarily intestinal parasites that get rowdy during the full moon. Remember that Lyme and related pathogens can change into "parasite-like" forms (cell wall divergent, intracellular forms). These CWD forms can be very sensitive to subtle changes in oxygen concentration, as demonstrated by Dr. Andy Wright, MD in the UK.

He would take a drop of a patient's blood and make an ultra thin smear of it on a slide and then put a cover plate on top which he sealed off around the edges with a tiny bit of vasoline. As the oxygen tension inside the sealed chamber on the slide dropped down into the anaerobic zone, the spirochetes began to hatch out from their previously invisible intracellular CWD forms and they could be seen under a special microscope emerging as spirochetes from the ruptured blood cells.

In essence, these intracellular CWD organisms react to changes in atmospheric conditions also, giving them characteristics that we generally associate with "parasites". When the increased gravitational pull of the full moon affects the tides of the earth, it is pulling on the earth's atmosphere which is fluid in nature also. This creates subtle barometric pressure changes in the earth's atmosphere.

We tend to hyperventilate ever so slightly in an attempt to get more oxygen into the body, just as we do whenever we ascend into a higher altitude on a steep mountain road above about 5000 feet elevation. Likewise, sensitive travellers may notice a similar flare up of symptoms during and immediately after a long cross country flight in an airplane because the cabin in the aircraft is pressurized to 10,000 feet.

Whenever we hyperventilate, this causes a subtle shift in the body's acid-alkaline balance because hyperventilation leads to a very subtle loss of carbon dioxide. You see, CO2 from the lungs dissolves into carbonic acid in the blood, thereby helping to maintain the pH of the blood. Even a very slight decrease in the CO2 level of the blood can affect the body in many subtle ways, especially in the magnesium level because we tend to lose intracellular magnesium whenever we hyperventilate, thanks to the resulting decrease in the pH of the blood.

Therefore, I wouldn't go jumping to the concusion that it is necessarily "intestinal parasites" per se which are causing one to have a flare-up of symptoms during a full moon. The CWD critters living as "intracellular parasites" (inside our blood cells) are being affected too. We feel symptoms whenever these CWD critters become active and change forms.

The increase of symptoms usually builds to a crescendo, starting several days before the full moon, and then these symptoms abate fairly rapidly just as soon as the full moon has passed. So if you start feeling a noticeable relief in symptoms today, then you can conclude that your symptom flare was indeed related to the full moon.

Wow. very good explanation. Thanks
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