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sparkle7
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Got this from another message board...

http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11618

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Nematode Spirochete Farmers

In 2000, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported that over a billion people are at risk for parasitic worm infections (filaria). 120 million people are infected with parasites in more than 80 countries (Africa, Asia, Central and South Americas, and the Pacific Islands). Of those infected, 44 million suffer filariasis symptoms.

Nematodes are parasitic worms which receive nourishment and/or shelter from hosts. There is a theory that nematodes �farm� smaller organisms like the Lyme Borrelia spirochetes, similar to the way we humans farm cows or chickens, feeding and protecting them so we can later eat them. Nematodes may live symbiotically with spirochetes in humans!

Ticks and other vectors harbor numerous parasites: large ones referred to as worms (filaria) and microscopic bacteria, viruses, protozoa, fungi and microfilaria. Ticks in Connecticut and New York do carry nematodes according to Doctors Willy Burgdorfer, Eva Sapi, and Richard Ostfeld.

Can worms destroy American health, as in WHO�s reported 80 countries, or as in our American pets? The answer to the question, �Can nematodes wreak havoc as human parasites?� is supposedly unknown, at least in the USA. Well, can nematodes prevent recovery from �chronic� Lyme and tick-borne diseases?

Puppies are de-wormed soon after they are born. Dogs typically and quickly recover from Lyme disease after antibiotics, perhaps because of their early-life and subsequent regular de-worming; there are no nematodes harvesting spirochetes in their canine bodies.

If nematodes work against antibiotics by protecting and increasing spirochete population, then antibiotic therapy may eradicate �loose� spirochetes but not those under nematode farmers� protection. If a nematode-Borrelia symbiotic relationship exists, Borrelia can screw its way out, escape the nematode farm, free to wreak havoc on us.

If nematodes are present, then a huge amount of antibiotics over a long period of time may only suppress bacterial growth. Symptoms will be somewhat relieved, a modicum of health will be maintained, but there is no cure while nematodes live to raise new spirochetes.

So for the duration, surviving nematodes will keep on farming. Can this proposed process explain the cyclical nature of Lyme in certain cases?

Antibiotics destroy spirochetes, some nematodes starve and die, but survivor nematodes still farm. A human host might suffer a relapse or flare-up if a bountiful harvest releases excess spirochetes into the body.

Antibiotics relieve our symptoms by killing spirochetes. Antibiotics also decrease the nematode�s food supply resulting in nematode starvation and death. If enough spirochetes are destroyed and enough nematodes die of starvation, eventually there might be no one left to run the farm. A patient recovers.

However if nematode filaria causes some chronic Lyme, it might be more prudent to stop the farmer. Ivermectin causes starvation and death of nematodes by interfering with their ability to eat/digest.

Although antibiotics have been our primary defense, a doctor once told me Ivermectin was the best medicine for Lyme disease. Interesting to note that since 1982, filariasis victims in WHO�s reported 80 countries were given millions of free doses of Ivermectin as part of a Global Health Initiative, but in the USA and Europe, it is typically not prescribed.

A surging idea is that all we need is to live healthy and take vitamins and supplements but I suspect that what would CURE chronic Lyme would be a remedy for the cause!

Other causes may be virulent Borrelia, Mycoplasma, Morgellons, Candida, other Fungi, Molds, XMRV, (Xenotropic Murine Retrovirus) and/or other microbes or filaria.

The average chronic Lyme patient suffers a gradual decline into poverty and a lifetime of pain and debilitation. Find the cause, treat and have compassion.

Eva Haughie

EMPIRE STATE LYME DISEASE ASSOCIATION, INC

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This was a really informative post from another message board -

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2013446

This is how i found out I had lyme disease. I went to work with 4 different specialists in Seattle. MD's and Naturopaths and Professors from Bastyr University.

The first thing they gave me was a stool test from Metametrex Labs. It was about $395 and the results were shocking that I had strongylides, diaomebia fragialis and hoookworm. It also did all of the gut readings like candida and how you digest things. It was the 2100 series if you have a naturopath you can get from them.

The naturoath gave me a big expensive bottle of horrible herbs to take for 3 months and by day 2 i thought I was going to die so I looked up on the internet what all these parasites were and found ou that if you are on prednisone and have strongylides it is deadly.

I went to the MD naturopath and she prescribed 4 tablets of IVERMECTIN for STRONGYLIDES and I felt lik a new person. My lungs opened up and chest was so light I was jogging up the path and singing. Flipped me out.

Then the Hep C researcher I was seeing told me all these parasites and all my neuro problems and pain is big indication of lyme. She referred me to a tick borne specialist who was brilliant.

The tick borne kept me on the ivermictin for almost a month because I was on prednisone. She spent almost 2 hours with me talking and looking at me and said... " I am a thousand percent sure you have lyme and for at least half your adult life."

I have told this story so many times on the forum. She gave me TEASEL ROOT AND JAPANEESE KNOTWEED TINCTURE to take for 7 days BEFORE going for blood work. Please pay attention here folks who know they are sick but nothing coming out in blood work or even spinal tap.

I think she gave me the tinctures to bring this stuff out into the blood. I got sick as a dog and she told me if I had lyme I would be herxing from the tinctures.

26 tubes between Lab corp, Quest and Igenex. She proved everything HHPV6, Chlamydall pneumonia, EBV,
Parvo, Bartonella, Erechilles, lyme and all kinds of other stuff. There was no way anyone could dispute these results and she was able to tell this has been going on long time.


Before going to the Tick Borne Specilist I was sent to infectious disease doctor by my Naturopath, MD.

Great hospitol, very professional but the Infectious disease doctor poo pooed the test from that lab and told me with these naturopaths you have to follow the money trail.

He was a real know it all about 32 yrs old. It was a naturopath, MD that had reffered me to him. I couldn't believe what he was saying and he was denying the fact that I had the parasites and gave me prescription to do his stool test and some blood work....none of it for lyme.

Meantime I had already taken the Ivermectin and knew how much better I felt but I didn't do meds yet for the othr 2 parasites. I went back to him the next week for folllow up of blood work he had taken and I never did his stoo test and for some strange reason he just wrote the prescrition for the other 2 parasites .

I think he was covering his ass or spoke to his boss after I left the first time . It was weard but he never looked for lyme in the blood work and he really thought he was all done after prescribing for the other 2 parasites.

HE NEVER ONCE SAID A WORD about POSSIBLE LYME. Where did he think all these parasites came from out of the blue?


I should send him all my blood work now. This is so typical of what is going on out there in medicine world.
Who on this forum has not been tested for parasites? My gut was a complete mess before I took all the parasite medicine.

Now it never blows up after I eat and I eat wheat and glueten and dairy. It may or may not be the best for me but my stomach no longer has this volcanic combustion going on anymore.

I have done all the wheat grass fasts and retreats and worked in raw food communities and healing centers.
I've done tons of parasite and liver cleanses with $400 worth of herbs ans special this and that.

NONE OF IT GOT RID OF THOSE PARASITES. I was stunned with those test results. But now I don't have big gutt problems like I did before.

I am so glad you brought this strongyides thing up, Cat and apologize for such a long story here but this is critical stuff.

How many people here have been tested for parasites in stool test?

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more on ivermectin... from the same message board as above -

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2013446

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yes I was given 4 ivermictin 3mg

my weight then was 130 to 135 lbs.

they prescribe by weight and very expensive.

this reciept I have is $110 for 4 pills but that cant be right!!!

Imtoo fogged out to even check back in thar one. but that was the first dose given to me by the origional naturopath, MD. Then when I ent to the tick born doctor she gave me anothe 30 days of it.

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I have considered ivermectrin, i will just use the kind for 3.99 (generic) I use on our horses. I know of a woman who cured herself this way, my brother who has lyme and morgelllons put the paste on his sores which worked!! He did not take it orally,

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Boy those drug companies are raking it in...

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Can you get ivermectin over the counter?

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not sure if you can over the counter...Ireland I remember reading something about maybe getting it there...I think I have info somewhere about Canada. I need to go thru my stuff...

My co pay for this drug is $70 and that covers 2 weeks worth which is 56 pills...

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No, you need a prescription unless you want to take the veterinary version.

Some people have been taking the horse version which comes as a paste. It's about $4.00 for enough for a 1250 lbs. horse. You have to divide up the dosing for your weight.

Some people have done it & have been OK. I think you may get ill due to the die-off - not the drug. I wouldn't want to over-do it though. I haven't tried it - so, this info is just based on my research.

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If you don't have insurance - it is pretty expensive. That figure above for $110 for 4 pills is correct. I went to Walmart a while back & they told me a similar rate. They didn't even have it in stock & my doctor wrote the wrong dosage - so, they couldn't fill it in any case.

I decided to stick with the herbs.

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