RZR
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Is this normal? I am having all sorts of problems right now...dehydration, still dealing with parasites, babs, and bart.
Was on Mepron 6 months, thought babs was gone, went off 3 weeks....been back on a month. When first back on Mepron, I sweated for a few nights and it went away; however, sweats are now back. Is this normal and part of herxing?
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Babs can take time to eradicate for some. I am sorry you are having symptoms again.
So you are back on Mepron now right?
Yes, you could be herxing. Sweats are a hallmark symptom of Babs.
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I have had sweats with bartonella treatment also. Sweats don't necessarily mean its babs.
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Hi Jennie:
My daughte's LLMD indicated it is a minimun of 8 months to erridacate the Babs. My daughter has just started her 10th month on Mepron and Zith.
Most babs symptoms now seem gone but night sweats still on occasion. We see the LLMD next week and I assume we stay on the Mepron and Zith for at least 2 more months after the sweats disappear.
If you don't get it the first time the parasites come back and one has to start all over again.
I think the protocol is Bart first (as the primary drug is compromised with either Mepron or Zith, I forget which but its in Dr. B's guidelines) then Babs, then Lyme.
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I'm feeling pretty good lately (knock on wood) but my night sweats have become more frequent and "wetter" than before.
Per Dr B's talk in CA this past month, Night sweats can be either Babs or Bart. Babs is the primary culprit.
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For those on Mepron or know someone on it, how long until you felt some relief from you babs symptoms?
I've only been on it for 10 days and hoping for the day when my air hunger will stop. How long will I have to wait?
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To confuse matters even more, I think I've read that one of the side effects of Mepron is increased sweating? Or perhaps it's just one of those 'side effects' they have to list, but it'd due to malaria/babesia being killed?
As someone who tested positive (via antibodies, anyway) for both bartonella and babesia, I'd be interested to know how to differentiate which is causing night sweats. The only thing I noticed for myself is that my night sweats have been rather rare, (only happened a couple of times), and usually isn't the super drenching sort -- more like my pajama top gets all sweaty/moist.
And my ILADs doc says most see some benefit within a month or two when starting Mepron. Not that they'd be cured, but they should notice something. For myself, when I took it for a month, I noticed some days better... some days worse.. and even the better days were sort of subtle... so who knows?
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RZR
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I think most LLMDs treat babs first.
I am only on 1 teaspoon of Mepron twice daily, so that concerns me. I am going to ask LLMD to start running blood levels.
I only take Bactrim DS right now for bart, so it could be that. I do have scratch marks I notice on my legs that only become visible when I shave.
All so confusing.
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RZR
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I am now having sweats night and day.
How will I ever know if I am finihsed treating babs if sweats could be contributed to babs or bart?
I know babs is not eradicated yet, as I herxed when LLMD increased Mepron dosage.
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My LLMd says sweating is Babs, and she says treat babs first then bart then lyme-though I am also treating paasites becuase I had many of them-so I am on Mepron-and paragone...only sweating a little bit every so often. Started feeling better the 5th week on Mepron, but now have to change things up a bit becuase of C diff, droppign the zith for awhile. Hoping that Mepron by itself will still work without zith.While on vanco.
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I had read somewhere recently that typical babs sweats are like regular sweat from exercise but alot of it.
They went on to say that bart sweats are typically more sticky if you will and generally have an odor.
This has been my experience also as I have been treated for both. Bart treatment was withdrawn prematurely and symptoms came back strong as ever.
I will try to retrace my steps to find this information again
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RZR
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I have never been a "big sweater" even with exercise. This is all so new to me. No odor, so I think it's still babs.
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Which drug are you taking besides the mepron. Zith is supposed to be the 2nd drug of choice
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Jennie- Wish I could help but I have yet to have night sweats, only serious day ones but my doc. says it could be related to Babs still just depends on the strain. I get so HOT, like Im running a fever but I don't have one!
Igors mom- I can't take Zith either but I am taking Mepron and Art. 3 weeks on, 1 week off. So there's less a chance of resistance. You may want to check that out.
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Some LLMDS are reporting more people are not responding to teh Mepron/Zith combo.
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Jadams, I asked my doc about adding in art but because she put me on a paragone, A-BArt and A-L by Bryon white she felt that was enough especially with the vancomycin I now am taking for the c diff. But I agree with you and was disappointed with her answer. there is a little wormwood in the Paragone, hoping that will be enough for now to keep me from developing resistance she alsoupped the mepron to 1 tsp plus 1/2 tsp....
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My LLMD is treating my Babs first because that is the symptoms I have. When I am done with that, then we will go after the Barty.
Yes, after many months of treating Babs I now am getting night sweats too. Not drenching, but enough to wake up and pull the covers off. LLMD upped my Mepron for this. Also, my blood levels didn't show enough in my system.
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I sweat from systemic candida. Whenever I sweat I know I it needs to be addressed more severely. I have never had symptoms of the babesia however, I have treated it four times. I know this can also cause night sweats too though. My previous llmd's used to think that it had to be babs until they got to know me better and knew how much I was intouch with my body and agreed that it was yeast. I hope this inproves for you. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers.
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My hot flashes have increased since I started treatment and I have mild sweating with them at times. Most of my babesia symptoms have improved and even disappeared but not the hot flashes.
Lately I started Mepron from Canada and I upped the dose a bit. That was when the hot flashes really started to get worse. I don't know if this is a herx or if the Canadian Mepron is not any good. I also started taking artesunate four days a week and tindamax two days a week.
It is really confusing. Previously, I thought I was herxing when something similar happened - turned out to be a new infection emerging. So is it bartonella causing the hot flashes? Now when I take the tindamax my shins hurt - that had gone away for nearly a year.
Before I tested positive for babesia, I thought my hot flashes were bartonella because I did not have significant sweating but when I did, it seemed sticky rather than drenching. I did not test positive for bart and the LLMD insisted I do not have it. Frustrating!!
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