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Has anyone any experience with this test and its accuracy ?
Thx for any feedback...I appreciate all input...as always...
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waste of money for me but i think it matters how good the practicioner is
i have my doubts about it-will explain on the phone if you want to know why
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I had this done-not sure how I feel about it. Although...he told me my lyme was back-my LLMD thought it was bart-my WB was really ++
I think it's a bunch of baloney though
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I'm on the other side of this opinion. I think energy testing or muscle testing is critical, especially in light of the inaccuracy of traditional testing.
It's important to know what to treat, and what abx your body needs. I started out on this lyme-path very skeptical. I followed my doctors guidance when it resonated with me, and corroborated it with electrodermal testing.
There were times when I was afraid to start a certain drug; so we tested it. First time we tested Mepron, we determined we should hold off. Next time we tested it was a go. I have tested supplements, an empty IV bag, and even a script.
Most of the time it's further confirmation of my own gut instinct. I certainly want to know what my body needs, because it's just as important to not overtax an already stressed immune system with abx and supplements that can get you further out of balance.
How many here are treating and not progressing? It's another tool, which can help you to recover faster and without as much trial and error.
My LLMD now uses electrodermal screening in conjunction with an Integrative MD. I spoke with another LLMD at a lyme conference, who I admire greatly, and was told that she uses energy testing to sort out protocol for patients.
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OK...sorry about my ignorance here...but I thought electrodermal
screening ( EDS) was an entirely different type of "testing" than ART
or muscle/ energy testing...is it just another word then for the
same thing ?
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I stand with nspiker. Energy testing along with a LLND, LLMD that utilizes intergrative medicine was the key to my daughter feeling much, much better.
I am a skeptic, turned believer.
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I believe muscle testing is a very valuable tool but I have had very
different outcomes depending on who is doing it...complete
opposite outcomes actually...and also I am not so sure of it's
accuracy in determining dosages...
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EDS and ART are completely different, but they both test energetically. One uses a machine like Asyra or Zyto, and the other uses third party manual testing.
In either situation, the information is only as good as the practitioner.
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I've had it done a couple of times, but not really sure what to think of it...
The first one I had done, didn't seem to be very good. The practitioner didn't seem to be all that great even though he claimed to have been doing it for many years and actually teaching classes on it to other physicians.
The second one I thought was much better and the answers/results made much more sense than the first one.
So I'm still kind of not sure exactly what to think of this type of testing.
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Things that can interfere with accuracy of EDS and other energy testing methods (dowsing, etc.):
1. Patient's polarity is reversed (Indigo & Crystal Children particularly have an issue with this, but can happen to anyone)...
2. Some believe that close proximity to other EMF's can interfere with accuracy...
3. If the practitioner has the disease for which they are testing the patient, it will not be possible to get an accurate result...
4. Poor technique (on the part of the practitioner)...
5. Some say the results may be inaccurate if the patient is wearing a wrist watch, metal jewelry, or anything else metal (or if the patient has a cell phone in their pocket, etc.)...
6. If the patient has a strong will and mental focus, the results can be influenced (accidentally or intentionally)...
I've had ART, EDS, dowsing (pendulum), and muscle testing (applied kinesiology). Because I have chronically bacwards polarity, in my experience, the results are only about 50-60% accurate. However, if my polarity is corrected, or if the practitioner is aware of the backwards polarity and can compensate for it (can only be done with EDS, in my experience), then the accuracy increases to 90+%.
Just my $.02...
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The jewelery and EMF interference I am aware of , as well as the
patient's mental focus...in my experiences these were not issues ,
I believe...however...my practitioner did/has lyme so that could
explain the inaccuracies ! Thx for that info !
How does one find out about one's polarity ?
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When I started dowsing my answers were backward, so a yes would actually be a no and no was really yes. After a couple of months of detoxing mercury and other metals, my polarity was corrected. When you experience a change like that it definitily has an impact on your belief. I've had 50 amalgams inserted and removed from my mouth, so I'm sure mercury was an issue, just like jewelry.
Don't bother with energetic testing unless you have an open mind. A closed mind tends to close all circuits in the body when you test, so testing is useless. To that point it is probably better to stay in chemical world.
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My doctor uses the Asyra. He often confirms results with blood tests.
He was unable to diagnose one of his patients so he put her on the Asyra machine. The top hit was Leprospirosis, he confirmed this with a blood test. She was able to receive treatment after a long period of not knowing what was wrong.
I also had a top hit of an unsual bacteria that was confirmed with a blood test.
I suppose this could be a coincidence but I highly doubt it.
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Haley's comment is a perfect example of why EDS or ART testing is SO IMPORTANT! No more shooting in the dark!
I don't have time to post my entire story but do a search of my posts about electrodermal screening. I have tried both approaches (abx without alternative testing for 2 years) and have much more success with the alternative road. It is a window into the body like nothing else and I feel in many cases like my family's, is ESSENTIAL for healing from this disease complex. But it is true that the practitioner should be highly skilled and ideally lyme literate.
Haley's practitioner is using an EDS machine called an Asyra. There are other machines too. Dr. Cowden used the Asyra for a while.
This stuff is REAL. Like anything else, some practitioners know what they are doing, and some don't. Even our highly respected LLMD, Dr. H in NY believes in it.
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I had it done once ( EDS ). She picked up an issue with my bladder.
I had treated for a UTI about 2 weeks before the test, and never said a word to her about it. Had a doctor's appointment the next day and sure enough, I still had it.
It also picked up that my pituitary was struggling.
We never tested for infections...just how my organs were functioning.
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Any machine is simply that --- still a machine. The EAV that was used in testing me in the nineties before I met Dr. K. tested tested tested and never found an explanation to my ten inch bull's eye that no doctor I had gone to before did not recognize either. The frequencies for Lyme and company were not stored in any of these older machines. One of the best alternatives in this state, j.w., didn't find a blessed thing that would identify Lyme.
You are dealing with information stored in the machine, frequencies of the pathogens, etc you are searchng for. You can only find the frequencies you are carrying in your body if the same frequencies are stored in the software of the machine you are using. If the frequency is not stored in the info in the machine, it cannot resonate with the frequency in your body, no matter who tests you.
That is why I never liked machines. They have helped some people identify their problems, but machines and software are expensive and often long out-of-date.
If your regulation is blocked and your body is unable to put out any signals of resonance, i.e. the "lights are off" and nothing seems to resonate the way it should, the best machine or the best muscle tester of any form will not have the correct answer. Muscle testers can be blocked. Especially dentists. All the conditions that Razzle lists what is necessary for correct testing. Nobody has ever called these methods an exact science, but medicine is never a correct science or a black or white science either.
Muscle Testing when done by a well trained person, a balanced person, will know what to take into consideration when testing. That person has to be several steps ahead of his patient re health and must be able to clear him/herself before they test patients if they have blockages.
One also has to have enough common sense that if you check mercury on someone and the response is yes, that you are dealing with a toxin and not a remedy. It takes a lot of learning and having done a lot of it really helps.
The majority of Klinghardt certified therapists attend several course every year to stay up-to-date. A weekend course that overwhelms almost anyone is not enough. It takes a few years to learn to do it right and stay updated of discoveries by the experts who are constantly improving themselves. There is no book written and certainly not the last one on the subject.
I am super glad that ART and similar systems are constantly evolving. Muscle testing, ART, done by very bright people saved my life years ago. I test myself in a similar manner with a biotensor and it is the most valuable thing I ever learned applying some of the ART rules that I learned from my doctor years ago.
I can only recommend --- ask a lot of questions of your doctor/practitioner. I asked mine until he said "come listen to my seminars and learn, and here are my file cabinets". I still do my own searching and anything very interesting I pass on to him. He didn't know a lot of what I knew. They are learning every day also.
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quote:Originally posted by Karensky: Razzle...very interesting info..thx !
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How does one find out about one's polarity ?
You're welcome!
I first learned about polarity from a Polarity Therapist/Chiropractor...and I've discussed this with anyone doing muscle testing, dowsing, EDS, etc. on me so that they know that they need to compensate or use some kind of alternative way to determine the answers (such as confirmatory blood tests, etc.).
I've also tried hard to look for confirmation of answers through other means, such as trial and error/symptom diary, blood tests or other tests, having more than one person energy-test me on the same questions, asking more than one type of practitioner for their input on a particular issue, etc. I use logic/common sense and my own intuition as a guide but that's not perfect, hence my need to seek confirmation of answers obtained through energy testing by other means.
Take care,
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What do you do to check and correct your polarity? Any insight appreciated.
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I don't know how to check my own polarity. It has always been done by practitioners who know about how to check it. They also know how to fix it, I don't. I wish I did know how to do this myself...it would be nice (and would save me a lot of money)!
One clue I use, however, is the increasing inaccuracy of energy-testing answers...for me, if the accuracy is down, my polarity is backwards. After my polarity is fixed, accuracy of energy-testing goes up again.
Someone told me correcting trace mineral balance in the body can help restore and maintain proper polarity... I don't have any experience with this, though, so can't comment on whether it really works or not. My nutrition status is a mess due to a number of confounding factors (very limited diet, poor absorption, poor gut motility, dysbiosis in my gut, and probably a bunch of other factors), and I'm sure it contributes to the polarity reversal.
Sorry I can't give more info... Maybe try googling "Polarity Therapy" and see what comes up?
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ok-i don't like to badmouth anyone who can help us
but this is what happened to me and it really upset me
after paying 600 for tx and products...i was on my way out the door and the lady said-oh-by the way. i hope your cell phone isn't in your pocketbook-because you are holding it close to the remedies and that will make them not work.
she went on to tell me not to put the remedies near the car radio or any appliance in the kitchen or near a computer...she went on and on. she said some ppl do that and then they wonder why the remedies don't work.
i was dumfounded. i had just paid 600 and she was basically telling me not to plan on them working.
i also was aware all the remedies she had in the office were stored under and above her computer????? so what the...
i don't know. it happened . it poed me. i tried the remedies but i think i was so neg at that point they wouldn't have worked anyway
why didn't she tell me that before she gave them to me and i held them near my phone? why did she store them near her computer?
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i wouldn't protect this person's name, and i would report them to the nearest authorities. i'd be very, very surprised if this person is actually a doctor.
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in December 2009 the electral dermal test popped up the bacteria Borrellia Burgdorferi.
I wasn't smart enough to pursue diagnosis or treatment because i was so scared off by what i read on the internet. i literally told myself nothing is wrong with me and went on living life.
6 months later i had some psychic lady tell me i probably have lyme disease. knowing what i knew about my test, i went and got a western blot, it was IGX/CDC positive.
So yes....i think the machine can be accurate. will it pick up everything...not always. but it can be very helpful.
quote:Originally posted by FYRECRACKER: in December 2009 the electral dermal test popped up the bacteria Borrellia Burgdorferi.
That's truly interesting, although I've seen a couple of reports posted and they literally contained dozens of pages of bacteria, food, allergies, etc.
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yea i was pretty much in denial. i didn't believe the test was accurate even though when i went home and read all the late stage symptoms, they sounded exactly like me.
lucky for me i'm open enough to go to "psychics" and got a 2nd concurring opinion that was backed up by a blood test.
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Given the possibility of inaccuracy for all the reasons stated above
regarding ART , EDS and muscle testing...perhpas it is better just to
get traditional tests done right off the bat...especially since many
above said they followed up with that afterwards to confirm ?!
I believe in muscle testing myself but I am aware of it's limitations
and so will not exclusively use it to determine and treat...it is a
good tool...to be used in conjunction with everything else...
I was muscle tested by my LLMD for specific herbal formulas I
was taking...he said they were good for me...then I had the same
herbs tested by my LLND who said they were not good for me...
so in this scenario what do I do ? Get a third opinion and pay
another "doc" to add more confusion to the issue ? I believe my
LLND is more experienced in muscle testing and so I followed
her recs over that of my LLMD ...but she is not entirely accurate
either...I found out...after a very uncomfortable reaction I had to
the treatment protocol she put me on...so back to square one...
again ! Trust in one's own body and intuition and self - educate
and use a combo of traditional and alternative testing is the way
to go I believe...but always trust in your own body !
This lyme sure does teach us a thing or 2 no ?!
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To clarify what I said above...because I think I came across a wee
bit contradictory...but was just writing my thoughts as they came
to me...so please excuse me for that...I guess what it all boils down
to is...having an open mind...educating oneself...incorporate both
traditional and alternative testing and treatments ...and...pay
attention to your body and your intuition....
I wish there were 100 % accurate methods for us to determine
a path to wellness...but since there doesn't seem to be...we must
rely on ourselves...darn this disease is so frustrating !
Having said that...despite the challenges lyme posses ...it can be
a huge learning opportunity...when I get well I will probably be
healthier than I have ever been before in my life with what I have
learned on this journey...
Best wishes to all for progress in our healing...
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EDS is an invaluable tool in the right hands. the machine cannot do all the work on this however and the practioner's experience and skill is key.
and though mine was very good, with decades of medical and alternative health care professional background...she was lyme aware but not lyme literate.
she is now is more literate--so am I for that matter.
EDS has been invaluable to me but it also requires knowing where to aim some of your screening.
The machine simply cannot cover all the possible ground though it can aim you and does marvelous work.
also machine ad screener are not failsafe or foolproof. it can take many hours to follow all possible decision trees of all the many systems that are affected by tickborne illness.
In my case her medical background and intuitive leaps made a big difference.
also what you ar e looking for has to be in their database.
The screenings always revealed things about my past or present that I knew but did not tell her. Just one of many examples, parasite from South Africa. I had been there.
she uses this approach in the first visit to show validity.
She is seeking a grant to subject it to controlled experiments and get it more mainstreamed.
And my LLND is open to hearing what the next test shows as far as infections present.
The potential for seeing and diagnostics that are undetectbile otherwise is invaluable.
it is however a tool and not foolproof. But using it got me nearly recovered until the second bite and round of infections.
but what it missed casued one of the most miserable months of the whole thing...I wanted to die and she could not find what was stalling.
My numbers looked good.
Why do I not do it exclusively like I previously did? Because she missed some things first time and was not lyme literate and I need both the LLND and the EDS.
Plus the relative cost of the EDS versus the LLND is no contest. EDS is super expensive.
I pay everything out of pocket including abx so dollar for dollar I get more gain for dollar with the LLND.
so long as I am gaining with the LLND doing ILADS with an occasional check with EDS that is my route.
Ideally they would work together and I hope to encourage that as time goes on...as it can adjust dosages and which abx and herbals and so forth where the LLND excels and where when it comes to the supplement side the ED screener is pretty good but not nearly as schooled in options for treatment protocols as the LLND.
I need both.
Another example: EDS saved a friends life who has a virulent staph in her lymph system. Docs treated and blood tested and said all gone but it was not.
EDS could detect it still there below the threshold of symptoms
and so it has played out. but knowing gave her the knowledge to address it before it went full blown and back to hospital.
I think EDS is still in pioneering stages compared to its potential and is suffering in reputation because also some or many practitioners are just computer jockey quacks selling supplements.
I had a friend who got ripped off that way so if I had known this was that I would not have gone. thank God I did go...(to a different one)
it was a path to eliminating first case of lyme.
Now i am quadruple infected but when the LLND says we are done...I will still keep checking the EDS and using alternatives.
the ideal scenario is that the LLND trusts the tests and we keep going until it is gone.
but if not I will resume the EDS until it is not showing at all.
It has been invaluable to me. I cannot afford it as often while doing the other protocols with LLND.
But again... lyme literacy and a skilled practioner are crucial.
not just someone who popped for the computer and bought in to make a buck. that is what hurts the whole thing.
I was blessed to get a referral from someone who was being helped and had decades of her own background to assess tha t the EDS screener was the real deal.
how do you know beforehand? I don't know...but definitely check them out and get personal referrals.
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I think the best road to take on diagnostics, is to do it yourself -- pendulum, biotensor, muscle testing start there and get some training. The cost is low and the availability is 7/24. Challenge your testing with practioners -- eds is the best in my view, LLND muscle testing, others in a support group. The idea is to increase intuitive abilities, not in just you but with others. If your intuition is fined tune you make better choices.
After I fired allopathic medicine. My first alternative practioner used an oberon (amazing machine -- more amazing then an EDS machine). I did one eds session (recommoned by a DDS) it was excellent (first time I was diagnosed with lyme-- had all the symptoms though -- I won't go into the failure of allopathic medicine and allopathic testing), I went to a DDS who used ART testing (taught by Dr. K. -- he found BB as well), I have a friend who does muscle testing, and I have a biotensor. I use all these vehicles for getting well, which I have.
I spent a total of about 700 dollars for all the practioners to do testing and have been testing myself ever since. One LLND I went to see used muscle testing, she decided to let me test myself -- she felt I was more accurate and quicker then she was and she didn't charge me for it.
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you guys that had good luck with it...how do you deal with keeping all the remedies away from cell phones and all appliances?
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kayak - My practitioner told me the same thing about the cell phones/radiation and homeopathic remedies.
I always carry them separately in a box and keep them in one place in my kitchen where I never put my cell phone.
Deerose - very well said. Thank you!
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kayak - I don't need to worry about it anymore.
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