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I'm not willing to post my HLA-DR gene types on the forum for confidential reasons, but I'm hoping for some insight. I've spent significant time researching Dr. S' writings (Surviving Mold).
In Appendix 2, the author has a chart termed Rosetta Stone in which he lays out various HLA-DR coding and it's association with specific health problems such as Multisusceptible, Mold intolerance, Borellia, Post Lyme Syndrome, and more.
There are five different categories in HLA testing: DRB1, DQ, DRB3, DRB4, DRB5.
Based on his methodology/coding, everyone has one to two sets of genes that end up in three consecutive numbers. For example, it says 17-2-52A is 'mold intolerant.' 17 would represent the DRB1 field, 2 the DQ field and 52A the final code.
My question is if the entire code is the only meaningful piece or can can a piece of the code be relevant. If you have a DQ number that lines us to a mold suspectible reading, is that meaningful or is the WHOLE code (DRB1, DQ and last number) combined that are important?
This stuff is damn confusing. Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Oh I found this webpage that explains exactly what I'm referring to on this Rosetta Stone chart:
What I'm trying to say is let's say someone had a 3 in the DQ column, but an 18 in the DRB1 column. 3 fits in the multisusceptible designation on the DQ side, but 18 does not. How is this interpreted in isolation? Make sense?
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I could be wrong, but I have been under the impression that all 3 numbers need to match to be relevant.
Hubby's new LLMD requested we send her his HLA-DR testing as we had left that out of our package. Will be discussing his new treatment plan in the next week or two and I will probably be asking her your question.
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Insurance just denied this testing because they deemed it genetic testing and needed more from the doctor ordering. Does anyone know what kind of diagnosis insurance needs to get this covered? I've read so much about it and asked for the labwork but not sure if I want to pay for it myself and for all three of us? Does anyone know the cost?
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Ktkdommer, PM sent.
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I'm curious about the treatments for all of this. I suppose it's individualized. I was thinking of trying a modified Yasko protocol (which is the methylation scenario). It's a bit different than the mold genetic testing, I suppose.
I did the chloryestramine (spelling) for a bit & didn't feel much different. Someone here says I didn't do the Actos so that's why it didn't work. I think there's an issue with Actos these days - class action suit or something?
I don't know... I guess I got burnt out with researching all of this & gave up. I don't have the money to spend of tests & treatments that may or may not work.
I hope it does work for someone. I researched it a bit & it seems to have mixed results. Some people didn't like Dr. S & said negative things about him. I don't know...
I think mold & biotoxins can be an issue but there isn't alot of actual proof in the case of Lyme biotoxins. Since there are mixed results - who knows?
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I always wonder who here has seen The Surviving Mold author - the mold expert and what they think of him as a physician. is he a stand up guy? humble? compassionate? That tells me something. When I read his publications or view videos, he seems like he knows it all.
I get nervous as all these docs say they know it all whether CFS specialists, LLMDs, mold experts, whatever. How do we trust them?
Sparkle7, I don't have the liberty of not trying as I can't function well enough to work / support family. Overall, it's a crap situation.
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If you don't leave the moldy environment, you will not get better on cholestrymine.
If you leave the moldy environment and and take cholestrimine, you will start to feel better as long is you stay away from moldy environments.
If you re-enter a moldy environment, some or all of your symptoms will come back and it may feel like you are starting all over.
I just found out we were living in a very moldy house less than a month ago. We moved out. I am on cholestrimine.
My son, who has been VERY sick is doing a little better since we left. I do think we are both being re-exposed daily (long story).
We are trying to get a safe place where we can recover long term without being re-exposed.
One of the hardest things about this is going to stores or other "normal outings" I was in the hospital the other day for blood work and they must have terrible mold there. I thought I was going to die!
sparkle - the mixed reviews in this case are because admitting mold is causing so many other things would cost some wealthy people a lot of money. There is no doubt in my mind that mold is at the root of a lot of sickness.
24% of the population is genetically susceptible to mold... whethere they are mold intolerant or mold susceptible, with exposure they will be very sick.
Don't think that the other 76% are home free.
Those people will never FEEL sick from mold... instead, they will develop cancer, diabetes, edema, coronary artery disease and many other diseases that are caused by mold.
Since mold can hold down the immune system and cause the failure of multiple bodily functions needed for detox and digestion, this may be the main reason some people can get well from lyme disease and some others cannot.
Mold also causes brain fog -- big time. I have developed dyslexia.
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"I get nervous as all these docs say they know it all whether CFS specialists, LLMDs, mold experts, whatever. How do we trust them?"
one of my criteria for an llmd is to have him say he DOESN'T know it all. every time i go against my better judgement and work with someone who says he can cure me it goes bad.
the ones who say they don't know but they will work with me and try are the ones i have had improvement on.
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"We are trying to get a safe place where we can recover long term without being re-exposed.
One of the hardest things about this is going to stores or other "normal outings" I was in the hospital the other day for blood work and they must have terrible mold there. I thought I was going to die!"
1. i'm sure you know about carrying the spores with you, right? that messed me up for awhile
2. "normal outings" I KNOW!!! I inpatient hosp once and the air blowing on me in my bed was clearly contaminated. i am like a canary and get specific sx when exposed. of course the nurses thought i was nuts...and i think they probably added x on to me i made such a fuss over it.
it happens lots of places. it helped when i was looking to buy a house...i didn't have to do mold inspection..i knew right away
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I don't think we are ever going to get away from mold completely. I do think it can be an issue but we may need other ways to cope - possibly by improving immune function???
Every year trees drop leaves in the fall. These get moldy. Some molds are used traditionally in foods like cheeses, tempeh, even chocolate is processed with a kind of mold. Mushrooms are a kind of mold. Some people take medicinal mushrooms to improve immune function... Who knows?
I agree that there are interests that do not want alternative methods of healing to cut into their profits. I just would like to see a bit more evidence from other sources who studied this than Dr. S. Most of his research comes from him...
I know it's a controversial issue. I really do wish people well with this. i just didn't feel it was a strong enough thing for me to get into based on my particular issues.
It's not good to live or work in a sick building, though. I have read some negative reviews of this particular Dr. S on the internet. I guess you have to try this to see if it's an issue or if you can rule it out.
I don't think it was a primary issue for me just based on my dabbling.
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ps - I agree with lpkayak... some of the most "famous" doctors can be the most arrogant & closed minded. I've been to a few...
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i was forced to work in a sick building for 5 yrs
at 50yrs i was dx with asthma, chronic bronchitis and copd
i had to take 10 meds to keep breathing or leave the environment
my pulm spec was sure it was the air...it was mold and also a combo of bird and bat poop...bad stuff
this is true:
"I don't think we are ever going to get away from mold completely."
kinda like we probably won't ever get rid of every kete
the key i think is to cut down the load...we can control some of it in our environment and we can control the heat and humidity in our environment. mold only grows in a certain heat and humidity
someone pmed me about how i got over chem sens and i dug out 2 bks i used:
my house is killing me
multple chemical sensitivites : a survival guide
we can make ou immune sys stronger or we can cut down on how hard it has to work by changing our environment
i agree you cannot get rid of all mold...i am so well now i can even eat mushrooms and cheese---well as far as the chem sens go anyway
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maybe i should start a new thread...or search...but i also wonder who has gone to dr s and done his protocol successfully
yrs ago i looked into it and it was sort of dangerous and i was afraid to do it unless i was close to him in case there was an emergency
now i am close to him...but when i looked at the diet i know i couldn't do it
do you or do you know of ppl his program has helped?
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This is all very interesting. I'm wondering if you can not have mold or Lyme susceptible genes but still have that be a big issue for you. I have endless labs that lay out exactly as Dr. S states they would for mold poisoning. Eerily so. However, I do not have any genes that should make me suspectible. It's interesting. My eyes literally water 24/7 and feel swollen.
Lykayak, what did you find 'dangerous' about his protocol? I agree removal to constant exposure would seem to help a lot. Why make your immune system run in constant overdrive if there' any way around it?
I read Chapter 6 of Surviving Mold about oxygenation. I found it fascinating. After reviewing, I have little doubt this is not my issue.
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I guess I always felt if you pour poison in a fish tank & the fish die - they died from poisoning, not because their genes were susceptable.
If stuff is a potential poison - it's only so long we can deal with it before getting ill. I don't think it's good for anyone to be in a sick, moldy place for long.
Where do you think the mold exposure is coming from? I know someone who blasted their house with ozone & it helped after cleaning up & sealing off the mold.
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same here seekhelp... I have every lab from shoemaker abnormal.... every one of them. except i do not have any of the suseptible genes on the HLA for lyme or mold... it is VERY weird.
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My son's HLA DR results should be in soon(had the blood drawn last Friday). I am still looking for a doctor to order the HLA DR test on me.
I am looking for practice in decoding the HLA DR.
I have done four lymenet members already and I didn't keep names or test results. I decoded, PM'ed and deleted everything, so you don't have to worry about privacy.
If you have had this test through LabCorp, could you PM me your results?
They should look like this: DRB1 ---- DRB1 ---- HLA DQ ---- HLA DQ ---- DRB3 ---- DRB3 ---- DRB4 ---- DRB4 ---- DRB5 ---- DRB5 ----
Not everyone has all the blanks filled in. If there is no result it is normal. Just fill in the ones you have.
Out of the four lymenet members I decoded, ALL 4 were mold susceptible and only 1 was also lyme/borrelia susceptible.
Thank you for taking the time to send me your results!
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Does it really matter about the tests? Why not just try the remedy & see if you feel better?
What is the suggested remedy? Is it the chlorestramine & actos? or something else?
There has to be some other approaches to the mold/biotoxin issue. I'd like to see some statistics of how many people get well on the protocol. I've read about maybe 2-3 people here who say it helped but that's not alot.
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seek re: dangerous
it was a long time ago
something about the actos and needing to be near a hospital
i don't know if his protocol has changed
i wonder tho...like many wonder about igenex...how many test neg on his eye test
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The testing is not necessary to get well. If insurance did not cover it, I would not bother. I am curious and I think it will help to know why we have gotten so terribly sick.
Knowledge is power.
To the best of my recollection, Dr. S never mentions Actos in his new book "Surviving Lyme"
I am on the cholestyramine powder 3 x a day. You have to be careful to take it away from food and supplements because it sweeps all the nutrients out along with the toxins.
I feel much better since on it as long as I don't get re-exposed.
I am terribly sensitive to many, many public places. I don't want to become one of those people who walks around with a mask... but some days I wish I had one!
I am not going to Dr. S. - I considered it but found a Dr. in VT who is knowledgeable in Lyme, parasites, heavy metals and mold.
There are very few doctors treating mold illness. I know of a couple other docs treating mold illness in the country (TX and WI) I feel lucky to have found one so close to me!
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They did a version of the protocol at the Fibromyalgia & Fatigue Center. So, there are doctors who are doing it around. Probably doctors who treat MCS...
Dr. Rosemary Johann-Liang, a drug safety supervisor for the agency, had said in an interview this week that she was reprimanded last year for advocating the very label change that Dr. von Eschenbach said the agency was now asking the drug companies to make.
Avandia, a Type 2 diabetes treatment made by GlaxoSmithKline, has been the focus of most of the recent safety concerns, based on evidence that it can potentially cause heart attacks or other cardiovascular problems.
But its closest competitor, Actos, a drug from Takeda Pharmaceuticals and Eli Lilly & Company, has also been seen as carrying some risk of problems, including heart failure.
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I've been taking bile acids to increase production of bile. There may be other ways to treat this mold issue. I don't know if I like the idea of removing bile acids via sequestrants. I guess it's an individual thing.
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Older hospitals, as well as schools, seem to be moldy places. If you have to be in one, then shower as soon as you get home, bag your clothes in plastic, and get them to a washer that is not your own (so as not to contaminate the washer, in case there was bad stachy in the place). Wear crappy clothes to the hospital just in case.
Cholestyramine 3x day is imo a lot because longterm will interrupt absorption of fat soluble vitamins, even if taken "away" from food.
Also nano chitosan may work as well.
There's not enough evidence to indicate there's a mold susceptible genotype and it's probably rather complex. Lyme and mold do seem to be a really bad combo.
You can and will get better away from the mold. You will have to give away almost all your belongings and start fresh. As I said before, the house can't really be remediated--the toxins and spores may have permeated the entire structure, and ripping out the obvious bad areas just won't be enough, and many other more subtle infestations will never be found.
Sparkle, it is my opinion that most of the time outdoor molds, though possibly bothersome, have little to none of the toxicity of indoor molds. For the obvious reasons we build airtight structures of paper, pressed wood, and plastic (vapor barriers). Come on? What wouldn't mold in such a case?
In some areas, perhaps intense desert areas with much drought then sudden downpours, I've noticed some toxic molds in the soil.
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Oxygenbabe, in your opinion is growing a lot of plants indoors a sure death sentence if you have mold sensitivity? I start transplants for my garden indoors and have for many years. They are started in February and outside by end of May. Is plant 'mold' dangerous like the other stuff you're referring to?
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There are other genetic tests for various things. I studied Amy Yasko, too. I don't think they know enough to correlate the genes with supplements or drugs to make a change in a person's health.
It is a good idea to get away from toxic mold. If you want to go far out - the mold may be in the chemtrails...
I like plants so I wouldn't necessarily call them a "death sentence"... Maybe you could get a kit to test your home before you throw the baby out with the bathwater? I never tried it but I'm sure there are places you can get the test kits so you can test your home.
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PS - I usually get sick with a bad cold in the fall when the leaf mold is high. I think it does efect people's health. I never thought it was the mold that reduced my immunity. I thought it was because it was getting colder.
After moving to a different place that doesn't have the northeastern spring & fall - I stopped getting ill during the seasonal changes. Different kinds of trees here, too.
I think the leaf mold was effecting my immunity.
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Beware of mold: Mold, just like other microorganisms, can also react in high EMF environments. One study showed 600 times more neurotoxins generated from mold in a high EMF environment.
According to Rees, there are also mold legal cases being reviewed, questioning whether problems in buildings infested with mold may have actually been related to nearby antenna infrastructure.
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Sparkle7, you know what's interesting? Yesterday I was on my cordless phone for 2-3 hours trying to do work (not cell - but home phone). I got major, major issues at the end of it. I felt extremely neuro.
I've felt horrendous since that time including today. Scary symptoms all day like foot vibrating, unbelievable fatigue, faint feeling, headaches, sweats and more. I cannot be on a phone anymore for any time w/o weird crap happening.
My legs just turned like lead. It seems impossible, but..... Today was my worst day in some time.
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About 55 minutes into it, they interview a natrupathic physician. it's worth watching if you don't know about chemtrails.
I use a regular landline on an old fashioned corded phone. I try not to use a cell phone or cordless phone if possible. The DECT phones are particularily bad from what I read.
I'll post some shielding info tomorrow. I'm getting tired.
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Seek, Sparkle, etc.
Spring and all are high pollen times, too. Perhaps it was leaf mold, if you didn't clean up your yard...
Seek, if you have toxic molds in your dwelling, and the plants add a lot of moisture to the air, then perhaps that could be a problem? Maybe the toxic mold spores would land in the soil and sporulate, too. I don't know. Generally plants clean the air, though, so perhaps you could just sprinkle a lot of gravel on top of your soil for your plants? I myself wouldn't worry excessively about plants...
Re: susceptible genotype, there's really no proof, and I think Dr. S jumps to conclusions. Maybe HLA types are involved, they certainly are involved in reactions to klebsiella (ankylosing spondylitis) and all kinds of autoimmune issues. They are involved in lyme, maybe in mold. It's that the body has an excess inflammatory reaction to certain molecules, and because of molecular mimicry--a protein coating being too similar to their own tissues, then the immune cells attack their own tissues, etc.
But it's too complex to draw those simple conclusions he draws. I'd just listen to my body and not test.
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Sparkle the chemtrails are everywhere now. The spraying here in Orange County, Ca is massive !!!
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Yes - they have been spraying since the mid '90s... all over the planet. I see pictures of Europe, Africa & the Middle East on TV & you can see the chemtrails there, too.
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This lady has some interesting things to say about mold & mushrooms -
It's pretty hard to get away from dead leaves in the suburbs in the autumn. I don't have much of a problem with pollen or allergies in general, otherwise.
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We've travelled the last 18 months. Chemtrails are horrible in metropolitan areas--Atlanta is horrible, Austin has been really bad at times, Shreveport.
Smaller cities (Valdosta, Abilene), get some. Valdosta gets more than Abilene. But though they chem, it isn't quite as massive and obliterating.
More rural areas seem to get even less. Small towns of a couple thousand, or wilderness areas. Still get them, but less.
Near the ocean, there can be numerous days without them at least in south Florida. Probably is harder to chem there, also around small towns (not Miami, don't know about that) as there are so many breezes blowing them off.
Everybody is sheeple--everybody says yeah they're spraying us with metallic particles, and nobody does anything about it...
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What can we do? Most people don't even notice them...
I'm in South Carolina. They aren't too bad here but I still see them. Maybe every other day or so. If they are heavy in high population areas - it sort of tells you something.
Sometimes I see them spray alot before it rains. Maybe for weather modification here...?
Another possible solution to the mold issue - far infrared light...
FAR-INFRARED RADIANT HEAT (FIR RH) TYPE REMEDIATON FOR MOLD and OTHER UNIQUE DISEASES Dr. Hildegarde Staninger, RIET-1 Industrial Toxicologist/IH & Doctor of Integrative Medicine
Mold and Other Unique Diseases
Mycotoxin is a highly toxic principle produced by molds or fungi. One type, the aflatoxins, is a member of tricothecene group produced by the fusarium fungus.
This has been identified in samples of the so called "yellow rain" in Southeast Asia, where it is said to have been the cause of many deaths among war refugees. Its presence there is subject to some conjecture, since the Fusarium fungus cannot germinate in the humid environment of that area unless it is altered through genetic manipulations by man.
There is substantial evidence (blood tests, autopsies and contaminated gas masks) that the former U.S.S.R. has used such lethal agents in Afghanistan, just as many other countries have used these lethal agents since the dawn of history. The human body, once exposed to a mycotoxin, runs a triple risk to its toxic effects.
The triple risk factors are direct toxic effects of the myctoxins, acquisition of mutated RNAi from the myctoxin's parent fungus and creation of an internal biofilm, which will harbor a toxic soup of disease. (15)
Fungi grow all over this planet. They are found in the soil, on trees and in water. Their spores travel throughout the lands by the winds from the four corners of our world. Biosensor testing conducted by the U.S. military has resulted in an increased population of Aspergillus niger on homes, trees and other materials in various areas of the United States of America. (16)
Over the last decade, starting in the 1990's, research has implicated many toxin-producing fungi, such as Stachybotrys, Penicillim, Aspergillus, and Fusarium species, to indoor air quality problems and building-related illnesses.
Inhalation of mycotoxins, producing fungi in contaminated buildings, is the most significant exposure, however, dermal contact from handling contaminated materials and the chance of ingesting toxin-containing spores through eating, drinking and smoking is likely to increase exposure in a contaminated environment.
Recent advances in technology have given laboratories the ability to test for specific mycotoxins without employing cost-prohibitive gas chromatography or high performance liquid chromatography techniques. Currently, surface, bulk food and feeds, and air samples can be analyzed relatively inexpensively for mycotoxins.
During exponential growth, many fungi release low molecular weight, volatile organic compounds (VOCs) as products of secondary metabolism with a melting point of 81 degrees C or less. These compounds comprise a great diversity of chemical structure, including ketones, aldehydes, and alcohols, as well as moderately to highly modified aromatics and aliphatics.
Cultural studies of some common household molds suggest that the composition of VOCs remains quantitatively stable over a range of growth media and conditions. Furthermore, the presence of certain marker compounds common to multiple species, such as 3-melthylfuran, may be monitored as a proxy for the presence of a fungal amplifier. (17)
This method has been suggested as a means of monitoring fungal contamination in grain storage facilities. Limited evidence suggests that exposure to low concentrations of VOCs may induce respiratory irritation independent of exposure to allergenic particulate.
Volatile organic compounds may also arise through indirect metabolic effects. A well-known example of this is the fungal degradation of urea formaldehyde foam insulation. Fungal colonization of this material results in the cleavage of urea from the polymer, presumably to serve as a carbon or nitrogen source of primary metabolism.
During this process formaldehyde is evolved as a derivative, contributing to a decline in indoor quality. (18)
Many fungi, mycotoxins, and their VOC's are at a level of detection within the human body that is very hard to determine at relatively low costs. Tissue samples of blood, urine and even direct organ/tissue biopsy will determine the presence of a fungi, mycotoxin and/or their VOC's To kill fungi and remove other substances, it is necessary to look at a variety of treatment modalities.
Current anti-fungal formulations have been developed to address specific fungal infections. In many cases, it is very hard for the healthcare provider and physician to determine what species of fungi was present that created which specific mycotoxin, which is a billion dollar revenue to the pharmaceutical industry.
Fungal infections in AIDS patients have been observed in tissue biopsy reports to be growing within the tissue, and this causes great health risks to the patient and the environmental engineers who have to monitor HVAC systems within a hospital or hospice setting.
The use of far-infrared as a treating modality can address the electromagnetic spectrum in micron and micrometers (nano level), which would be an ideal choice in treating fungal infected and other unique, diseased patients, HVAC surfaces (walls, ceilings, floors) and water.
The far-infrared segment of the electromagnetic spectrum occurs just below, or "infra" to, red light as the next lowest energy band, as previously discussed.
Our tissues normally produce infrared energy for warmth and tissue repair. Tissue production of infrared energy is associated with a variety of healing responses.
The Far-infrared travels the path of fresh water between the cells thus correcting the water molecules bond angle to a perfect hexagonal shape that then collects a total of 6 water molecules to form a collective microtubule of water. The microtubule then creates a fiber optic response that aligns all the molecules to respond to the correct mechanisms of the blueprint of the DNA.
Once far-infrared is within the body at its total capacity, it is repealed. This occurs in all living forms of life and in any material that has moisture or a water molecule within its pores, such as cement which becomes 4-5 times stronger. (19)
Body tissues that need an infrared boost selectively absorb infrared rays after boosting a tissue's infrared energy: The remaining rays pass onward harmlessly. This phenomenon is called "resonant absorption." Our bodies radiate infrared energy from 8 to 14 microns.
Palm healing, an ancient tradition in China, has used the healing properties of infrared rays for 3,000 years. Yogis in India also employ palm healing and recommended it especially for relieving eye strain.
The use of high performance carbon fiber that is made from the filaments of man- made diamonds (zirconium), which is crystalline in structure, has been developed by MPS Global, Inc. in panels for FIR Therapy Rooms, and individual use Capsule DIMA.
All panels create a steady stream of pure far-infrared radiant heat that is from 4 to 16 microns. There are no photons and 1/2 electron spin, which is the basic definition of FIR in any CRC Press Handbook of Physics text.
The use of these panels will create a temperature of 16521 degrees C, which does not cause any burning of the skin or ill effects upon its surfaces. They are the environmental answer to new nanotechnology-created diseases the next generation of environmentalists will have to correct.
The melting point of many mycotoxin VOC's is 81 degrees C and when using FIR radiant heat at 165 degrees C the compounds are evaporated off, or out of the body or surface area, for environmental remedial activity.
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Well, I got my final labs in today C4a is 25,000+
So the big picture is:
- Non-mold suspectible HLA type - supposedly - Non-existent MSH (<10) - Very low VIP - High TGF-1 -6,000+ - Low normal C3a - Very elevated C4a 25,000+ - Always elevated Eosinophils in blood, stomach - normal VEGF, Serum
Hmmmmm....except for genes, I fit Dr. S' profile to a tee in Surviving Mold. Eyes water all the time, fatigue, head squeezing, sensitivity to light and a bunch more. Who do I believe?
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Seekhelp,
Mold is a known cause of gastrointestinal eosinophilia. I know of cases of kids with Eosinophilic GI disease that went away once the kids were no longer being exposed to molds in their home (mold remediation, getting rid of moldy stuffed animals, etc.).
If I were you, it might be good to at least try some kind of antifungal treatment and get some kind of air purifier to deal with indoor air pollution. Air purifiers with a UV light that shines on the filter can deactivate the mold spores trapped in the filter. Or there are new air purifiers that incinerate mold, viruses, bacteria, pollens, etc. in the air (no fan - no noise) - check out http://www.allergybuyersclub.com/ (I have no financial connection with this company, am simply a happy customer) for more info on air purifiers.
We just got a new air filter and after just a few hours, I've already noticed it has become easier to breathe in the house (we have a lot of dust and pollens right now)...
Take care,
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Thanks Razzle. Casn you point me to which air purifier you purchased?
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How about try taking something like Yeast Cleanse by Solaray? It's a really good product. I found it to be better than the drugs.
I don't know if it can help a mold situation but it was good for yeast.
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PS - Ozone can kill mold from what I have heard, too.
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Molds vs Yeast
Both molds and yeast belong to the kingdom of Fungus, and are Eukaryotes.
Molds are microorganisms which have a tendency to grow with help of multiple celled filaments called as hyphae, whereas yeast is a microscopic form of fungi having just a one cell.
The molds are long cells look like threads which comprise the structure of filamentous fungi, on the other yeasts are either round or oval in shape. There are 1500 types of yeasts and the size of the cell dimensions is based on the type. It is usually from 3 µm � 40 µm in diameter. There are 400,000 types of mold and their sizes also depend of the type. Yeast is a not a sporing species of fungi whereas mold is a sporing fungi.
Not all types of molds create disease or spoil food. Some are useful in biodegradation. Yeasts are used in the making of alcoholic beverages which contain ethanol. The ethanol is always produced by fermentation by using certain species of yeast. Yeasts are also used in baking, bioremediation, industrial ethanol production, probiotics, and food addictive or flavours.
Yeasts are predominantly found in the ocean and they reproduce asexually. They multiply through the process of budding or binary fission in which a nucleus is divided into two or more nuclei. These are generally unicellular; however some yeast species may become multi-cellular through the forming of series of connected budding cells (aka false hyphae). Molds, on the other hand, sexually and asexually reproduce into multi-cellular form.
Generally, molds are very very colourful compared to yeast. Both molds and yeasts are considered parasites since they are opportunistic organisms, and they have to be in their host to grow, live and reproduce.
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quote:Originally posted by seekhelp: Thanks Razzle. Casn you point me to which air purifier you purchased?
Just sent you a PM.
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i need to talk to mold literate ppl again. i am getting in deeper and deeper to mold illness while trying to remediate my house and make a small safe place to live.
i read all of above and wonder how you guys are doing now.
i have been studying ritchies stuff and phil frys stuff(moldinspector.com)
my primary said she would test me for mold but she didnt know what test to use. i already had the hlr dr and am pos for 2 and 4 but that doesnt even seem to fit in with what you all are talking about
a lot of what momlyme wrote sounds like she is aware of this study. the study proved what she says about CSM and being in moldy environment
anyway...i still dont understand the testing and why my results dont make sense with what shoemaker does. but i have some questions and really need answers so i am hoping old experienced "moldys" will answer if they can.
1. momlyme can you pm me the name of your doc...im pretty close to where you are-the one that helped you with CSM
2. does anyone know what pos HLA DR 2 AND 4 means? my llmd told me it meant i would always have joint pain...even when Bb was gone.and would suffer from arthritis. this was 13 yrs ago tho...before the mold talk...so...do my results mean anything
3, and most impt to me right now i need to do some tape testing of mold...and someone on here once told me a company in maine that was really good and i hope to find out who that is. or another company that will test at reasonable fee. the mold inspectors are crazy and not competent and testing is very very expensive. (i know all mold inspector/remediators are not incompetent but many are)
thank you. i sure hope many of youa re living in cleaner environment s
oh yeah...i read on ritchies site he isnt using actos anymore...he doesnt sound happy about it...he sounds like it works well...but a legal thing is stopping him from using it
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Mold is a neurotoxin just like Lyme is. The symptoms are identical. The markers are also identical ie. Shoemaker tests. It is a differential diagnosis. I have both, did major home renovations this winter. Been in treatment for Lyme and co for 2 years now. When I am in a moldy environment I feel like the Lyme is back, it feels the same. There is a genotype that develops arthritis from exposure to BP ie. the people who got sick from the vaccine.
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yes-that is what my llmd. 30% of pop has that gene...so if they had it and got the vaccine they got really sick. but many got vaccine with no problem cuz they didnt have the gene.
im gonna pm you about something
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