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I have heard about chlorella for a long time and have really looked forward to taking it, And so when my new LLMD prescribed biopure chlorella pyrenodidosa 200 mr tablets three times a day to go along with DMSA to treat lead toxicity, I was excited to try it. I took my first tablet of cholerlla at around 6 PM yesterday evening and did not notice much other some tingling on my scalp when I went to bed at 11 Pm. When I got up at 4.30 I did not notice feeling real bad, but as time went on this morning I was finding I was clearly not well. My stomach felt different from anything I can remeber clearly. It was not acidic, growly, or even the typical kind of upset that accompanies vomiting. But nonetheless I had no hunger, a kind of rock like feeling in my gut, and kind of felt that it would not take a lot to make me vomit. I also has dizzyness, kind of a brain fog, some extra parasthesia, and a little fatigued.
So I do not know whether to give up on chlorella, whether t try a lower dose or a diffrent kind of chlorella. I have seen the reports by some that it can cause vomiting though I guess it is unusual.
Also I am curious if the stomach upsetis just a direct action of chlorella or whether it is disrupting toxin pathways in a way that is throwing off the general system. So I am wondering if there might be a chance of riding this out and whether the side effects could be seen as something positive in the way herx reactions are sometimes viewed.
I am definietlky bummed though I am happy that I am finnaly on a path in terms of treatment
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I used zeolite when I chelated metals and it works well. Chlorella is supposed to be great, but I am sllightly allergic to it. The person who ART tested me said it wasn't unusual to come across a person who has a slight allergy to chlorella.
It doesn't mean you can't chelate metals. I did fine with the zeolite.
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I am not a doctor so I can't diagnose and suggest you ask the LLMD about this. However in my experience, often when *detoxifying* on herbs I would have nausea as part of detox symptoms, not from toxicity (based on improvement thereafter).
If you have this and other uncomfy feelings you should check with the LLMD and see what s/he says.
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Others have complained that it makes them ill with stomach nausea. I take them handfuls at a time and only feel better when I'm needing them.
It's amazing how things effect others so differently. I'm glad I'm not allergic. You might read some old Gigi posts in search engine and see if she mentions options or allergy relations.
matt, LLMD rx'ed it for you? Did you get through pharmacy or from Biopure direct?
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Try letting the chlorella dissolve in a glass of water first. That can help.
I dislike chewing them up but I can take 40-50 at a time if they are dissolved in water.
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You may need more tablets.
There's a school of thought that low amounts of chlorella can make you sick because they push detox of metals and toxins - yet it's not enough chlorella to bind it up.
I usually take 30 tablets each time.
You want your stool green
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map- I got the chlorella at my doc's office. I took a chlorella with food last night and today so far I seem fine, so who knows. I want to be able to take this stuff , so I am going to try to carry on with it unless things get ridiculously bad. Thanks to all
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cane, do you take them before, during or after meals?
matt, I take Biopure and they're working out fine for me. However, the first few days I did have a bit of nausea and flu like feeling. I believe it was toxins being disrupted.
I read that 30% of the people who try chlorella get sick from it and can't take it. If it makes you vomit then you don't want to take it as you might be allergic to it.
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Thanks Gary. I have a PM for you somewhere I hope. I tried sending it a couple of times but your box was full. I am surprised at the 30 percent figure since in general it is listed without side effects. My LLMD did not mention any, so I am begining to wonder if this is another of those strangely hidden stats. Anyway I have been pretty good the rest of the day and I have taken two more doses, so the trend seems to be that I am tolerating it more.
The advice on vomiting is probably sound, but it is difficult for me to be sure on this question of those who are clearly allergic to chlorella and those who may have to go through something like a herx before their system tolerates it
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I take it 30-45 before meals.
So when you eat and the gallbladder spits bile into the gut - the toxins get binded up.
But I'm not sure it matters
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Cane can give you any refrences to take to my LLMD for him to consider increaing my dose? Or maybe your not saying that, but it does sound like you are a proponent of mega-chlorella. Is that right?
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Matt, that figure comes from Dr. Mercola:
Caution: About 30% of people can't tolerate chlorella. This may be due to optimized function of the enzyme cellulase. If you are unable to tolerate this it would be wise to consider adding an enzyme with cellulase in it to help digest the chlorella.
Dose: One can start out with a one quarter of a teaspoon of the powder (one 500 mg tablet) once a day initially to confirm that there is no hypersensitivity present. Work up slowly over one to two weeks to a dose of one teaspoon (ten tablets or capsules) per day. Once you tolerate this dose you are able to use it to bind the mercury.
Use this dose starting two days prior to your chelation and for one day afterwards. The chlorella will thoroughly coat your intestine and bind like a sponge to any mercury that the DMPS liberates into the gut.
The above dose is based on a 150 pound adult. If you are using the program for children reduce the dose proportionately. (So a 30 pound child would have have 30/150 or 1/5 (20%) of the dose).
Caution: If at any time one develops nausea or starts "burping up" the chlorella taste then the chlorella should be stopped immediately as a food sensitivity is developing which will only worsen if you continue taking it. If this happens you should switch to ProChitosan. This binds similarly to mercury. Its dose is dependent on your bowel movements.
If you have one bowel movement a day or less you should start two days prior to the DMPS. If you have two or more bowel movements, you can start 24 hours prior to the DMPS. Stay on it for 24 hours after the DMPS. So you will be on it either two or three days. The dose is two capsules three times a day. Be sure to drink it with plenty of water and increase magnesium if constipation develops.
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You can be allergic to literally anything. You can be allergic to heat, to cold, to the color blue, or to the best nutrient in the world = chlorella.
If you are allergic to chlorella, I would make sure I get rid of all - all allergies - and do the Allergie Immun therapy. Chlorella contains so many valuable nutrients, some of which are available in other substances besides chlorella and I would make sure to correct them. Allergies of any kind (there are emotional allergies, and several other different allergies according to Dr. K.) create a stress factor to the body and are a hindrance to healing.
I know, because I used to be allergic to literally everything around me: I slept on the garage cement floor in winter during acute Lyme!!!!!) I do not have a single allergy left now after Allergie Immun. 15 drops of "informed" water a day took care of it. It also wiped out all toxic heavy metal allergies which hinders the body to release toxic metals because the immune system does not recognize the toxins. It takes care of celiac. Read the thread that is running here on LN re Allergie Immun.
Take other binders if you don't tolerate chlorella and don't want to wait and do the allergy elimination therapy. NAET does not work. Allergie Immun does.
Here is what Chlorella represents:
Scientific Reports
There are literally thousands of reports on the research done an the use of chlorella, we can only put a few here.
Chlorella Strengthens the Immune System & Anti-tumor effects Chlorella stimulates the activity of T-cells and macrophages (by increasing interferon levels) enhancing the immune system's ability to combat foreign invaders whether they are bacteria, viruses, chemicals or foreign proteins.
Chlorella extract (CGF) to treat patients whose immune systems were suppressed as a result of having brain tumors which were treated with surgery, radiation or Chemotherapy. Result showed that patients' immune systems remained at near normal levels and were less adversely affected by the Immunosuppressive treatments when chlorella was administered. (Merchant, Rice & Young from the Medical College of Virginia, 1990 study.)
A study showed that mice treated with 10mg of Chlorella extract prior to introduction of Cytomegalovirus (A virus that cause many diseases, and cause serious illness in patients being treated with drugs that slow down the immune system.), have survived lethal infection, the chlorella increased the activity of interferon and saving the mice from death. (Natural Immunology Cell Growth Regulation, Miyazaki Medical College Department of Microbiology.)
CGF stimulates the production of interferon, which is believed to slow the growth rate of cancer cells. (Research at Kitazato Institute. )
Chlorella can stimulate the macrophages and T-cells of the immune system, resulting in an anti-tumor effect, probably due to the protection or restoration of macrophage activity, which is usually retarded in the body by the time tumors start to grow. Chlorella also decreased the side effects of chemotherapy --- there was far less damage to the immune system. ( A combined report of Kanazawa Medical University of Japan and Taipei Medical University at the Third International Congress at Reims, France in 1985.)
An extract of Chlorella showed remarkable life prolongation effects in mice bearing Sarcoma 180 (cancer cells) with a broad optimal dose range. The extract was said to be " A potent modifier of some biological response " , such as the cancer-killing ability of macrophage cells. ( A research by Dr. Kanki Komiyamas of Japan.)
The stimulation of tumoricidal peritoneal macrophages can be directly induced by peritoneal implantation of unicellular algae in humans. ( By Vermeil, C.; Morin, O.; Le-Bolic, L. of Arch Inst. Pasteur Tunis. Mar-Jun 62 (1-2): 91-94.)
Chlorella enhanced the growth of Lactobacillus in the human colon by fourfold in a standard growth medium. It evident that Chlorella promotes human colon health. ( A report by Dr. Takechi Y. Gakushu Kenku-sha, Tokyo, Japan. Nov. 30, 1970.)
Popular use of foods containing chlorophyll shows it helps cleanse the bloodstream, deodorize bad breath and body odor, deactivate carcinogenic substances and halt tooth decay. In addition, inflammatory conditions such as arthritis and stomach ulcers respond well to algae supplementation. ( " Healing with Whole Foods " by Paul Pitchford. (North Atlantic Books )
Human RNA/DNA production slows down progressively as people age, resulting in low levels of vitality and increased vulnerability to various diseases. When our RNA and DNA are in good repair and able to function most efficiently, our bodies are able to use nutrients more effectively, get rid of toxins and avoid disease. Cells are able to repair themselves and the energy level and vitality of the whole body is raised? Dr. Benjamin Frank is recommended a diet rich in nucleic acids to counter this "aging" process. Current laboratory analysis shows 3% RNA and 0.3% DNA in Chlorella which would make it one of the highest known food substances in nucleic acids. ( " The No-Aging Diet " by Dr. Benjamin Frank. )
Dr. Bernard Jensen and other researchers have proved that " The reports of treatment with Chlorella by Dr. Frank to his patients have regain energy and a more youthful appearance. In addition , long-standing problems with arthritis, memory loss and depression begin to abate. " ( " Chlorella - the sun-powered supernutrient and its beneficial properties " by William H. Lee, R. Ph., Ph.D. and Michael Rosenbaum, M.D. )
The Chlorella Growth Factors (CGF) contain richest sources of nucleic acids, which researchers believed that eating foods rich in nucleic acids will slow down the aging process. Experiments with laboratory mice have shown their life span can be extended by over 30% !, after fed with Chlorella. ( " Chlorella: Natural Medicinal Algae " by Dr. David Steenblock. )
Life Extending Effect of Chlorella --- a report showed that the life span of both diabetic and normal mice have increased 30%, after given Chlorella for feeding. ( Medical College of Kanazawa, Japan.)
Because Chlorophyll absorbs and inactivates toxic materials, people have traditionally taken algae for their high chlorophyll content. ( Ron Klatz, D.O., president of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine in Colorado Springs.)
In Japan, interest in chlorella has focused largely on its detoxifying properties - its ability to neutralize or remove poisonous substances from the body, including Cadmium, mercury-caused disease, dixon, PCBs, X-rays and other radiations.
A Report by Scottist in 1986 and report from Japan showed that increase absorption of Cadmium by Chlorella and increased excretion of Cadmium by threefold after intake of Chlorella from animal testing. Chlorella can also detoxify Uranium, Lead, Copper, PCB. ( " A good Health Guide: Chlorella " by William H Lee. R. Ph.D. and Michael Rosenbaum, M.D. )
Chlorella exhibited radioprotective action against Gamma-ray induced Chromosomal damage in mice. The Anti-mutagenic activity of chlorophyll and beta-carotene present in vegetable extracts is now well established. ( The Japan Radiation Research Society in 1993.)
Guinea pigs on a diet rich in chlorophyll showed increased resistance to lethal X-rays. ( U.S. Army report in 1950 .)
Chlorella has the unique property of picking up toxic substances and eliminating them out of the body. Chlorella cell walls absorb and hang onto lead. ( Report by Drs. D. Lorch and A. Weber )
Detoxifying of very harmful Chlorinated Hydrocarbon Insecticide, has been shown to be removed more than twice as fast from the body when chlorella is taken by mouth. ( Dr. S. Pore, of the School of Medicine, West Virginia University, 1984.)
Reports of " Effects of Chlorella on Levels of Cholesterol in Serum and Liver " showed that 16 patients were given 20 tablets of Chlorella daily for three months, without any anti-cholesterol drugs, their cholesterol levels had been significantly lowered. ( Research of Wakahisa Hospital of Fukuoka, Japan. )
Chlorella contains protein of " astonishingly high quality ", could prevent liver gangrene and suggested that people suffering from Kwashiorkor should be given protein made from Chlorella instead of protein from milk. (Report of Hermann Fink of University of Cologne and Bonn in West Germany. Physiol Chem. 182-191, 1956)
" Effect of Chlorella on fecal and urinary cadmium excretion in " by Hagino et al. It ai-Itai Jpn. J. Hyg. 30(1), 77, April 1975.
" Effect of Chlorella on the levels of glycogen, triglyceride and cholesterol in ethionine treated rats. " by Want, L.F. Lin, Y. C. Tung, J. Formosan Medical Assoc., 79 (1), 1-10, 1980.
" A new Chlorella polysaccharide and its accelerating effect on the phagocytic activity of the reticulo endothelial system. " by Kojima, M.; Kasajima, T.; Imai, Y., et al: Recent Adv. Res., 13, 11, 1973.
" Clinical Applications of Chlorella Pills." by Saito, Tatsumi, Saito Taku, Oka, T., Medical Examinations and New Drugs. 3.3 pp. 61-64, 1966.
" The effects of Chlorella on the levels of cholesterol in serum and liver. " by Okuda; Hasegawa, J.; Sonoda, M.; Okabe, t.; Tanaka, Y. of Japan Journal of Nutrition. 1975.)
" The effect of Chlorella as a prophylactic means against bronchopneumonia. " by Terziev V.; Plansk, b.; Encheva, Y. of Veterinary Science, XX (1), 36-39, 1983.
" Therapy for peptic ulcer by Chlorella. " by Yamaguchi, Y.; toikawu, M.; Suzuki, R.; Hara, T.; Warita, Y. of Nippon Iji shinpa No. 1990, pp. 25-27, 1967.
" The Administration of Chlorella Extract and the Physique and Physical Fitness of Elementary School Pupils." by Dept. of Hygiene, Nagasaki University Medical School. Science Report on Chlorella in Japan, Silpaque Pub. Kyoto, Japan. Pp 53-55, 1992. If you want even more information on this incredible algae, click on the link
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Since Gary recites Mercola, I will add the following:
Most people, many from Lymenet, who have done the Allergie Immun test discover via the test that they have a blocked, dysfunctional enzyme system across the board. Enzymes are the catalysts that keep the whole apparatus going. Different enzymes serve different areas and cause and accelerate different chemical reactions. Many enzymes are specific to different organs. If the enzymes are absent, the body is suffering.
So, my take is, if you have these kinds of problems, fix them by doing the Allergie Immun therapy. It is a superb therapy. Allergies are serious and not only a nuisance.
Take care.
Please, please stay away from the Chelation protocol quoted by Mercola unless you are supervised and guided by a medical professional who understands metal toxicity in every respect.
When talking as a binder in general with regard to chlorella, it is meant to be used as a binder for all neurotoxins caused by die-offs from the extracellular spaces and not specifically a chelation/clathrating agent program. That is a totally different act requiring expert attention to eliminating organs, etc.
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Binders such as chlorella, all binders, in order to be effective should be taken 20 minutes before each meal and at bedtime.
When timed that way and taken enough time before the meal, the chlorella is in place in the small intestine to be ready and waiting for the toxins to come down with the meal. That way toxins can be caught, mopped up, and carried out the rear.
All binders should be timed this way and that way they will serve the purpose.
Take care.
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First I hope folks will understand that I have been seeng two diffrent LLMD's for a little over a year now without starting any therapy. Beyond that I have had some weird, though not necessarily significantly disfunctional, symptoms for ten years. I do not now how to adequately describe the experience but such a mystery at the heart of your existence wears on a person. To finally hear a disgnoses based on a fairly clear test result and a clear way to treat has been a rathewr significant experience that I think I am still trying to fully absorb.
I really, really, appreciate the interest and input of those who have replied. I also respect the opinions greatly, but some of the suggestions require a certain derailing of my present regimen and from an emotional perspective that is a little tough
Gary- I am not clear on whether youy are telling me to junk my chlorella tablets that I have and the initial dose I have been working with and go to your suggested protocol with the powdered chlorella, or whether you feel I should work up to my suggested dosage in a manner similar to what you are suggesting. I am pretty confident that I need to get the chlorella thing worked out before incorparating DMSA. I did notice you referred to DMPS. Do you think it is a significantly better choice? My though is that I can rotate in other chelation therapies in the future including ALA, zeolite, and EDTA. But I wonder if there is reason to be concerned that the initial approach may be key. I know Chaquita has warned that untreated leaky gut may make chelation therapy dangerous. I will be taking at least some of this and my early difficulties up with my LLMD soon. I do think he is one of the best in northern california, but I am not real clear on how he feels about "extra" information
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I am going to stop. I have lost a third of my appettite and constant moderate stomach discomfort seems more like a warning than a challenge. So thats it for now. Do people think this might indicate that my condition might require a little more caution? My LLMD has talked very little about getting me on a healthy diet, a regimen of suplements or anything else to create foundational health. He is all about making the diagnosis, but I want to make sure my body is ready for the search. So I am thinking about holding off on chelation until I get a little healthier by other means first. Possibly AI will be included
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I can't take chlorella. I don't know if I am allergic, but I have what I would call an allergic reaction to it. I am also allergic to shellfish/seafood. Connection? Who knows. If I need a binder now I use activated charcoal. Posts: 206 | From In the shadow of a mountain | Registered: Feb 2011
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matt,
Sorry if I led you to believe I was giving you any advice. No way! I just wanted you to know that a good number of people cannot tolerate chlorella.
I remember reading that 30% number on a number of sites, but the one on Mercola was handy so I just copied and pasted it so that you would be aware that maybe you are one of those who cannot tolerate it. It probably wasn't the best source to copy from since the subject was mercury removal. I wasn't focusing on that part of it, just the part about not tolerating chlorella.
I did not mean to imply anything regarding the rest of the article where it talks about DMPS. That just happened to be a part of the article and I probably should have left that part out.
I know NOTHING about DMSA, DMPS and all the other chelation stuff. I'm scared to even go there and would not even go there without professional guidance. Please ignore that part of what I posted.
I just wanted to point out, that you, like many others, may not be a good candidate for chlorella. For me, it's great, for you, seems not so. I think your decision to stop using it is a good one.
Hope I've cleared up any confusion I may have caused you. Listen to your doctors and to those who know the subject on chelation--I am NOT one of them!
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I have now become VIOLENTLY ill from chlorella 2 times. The first time I thought it was a stomach bug b/c one was going around but I waited 3 wks. and took it again yesterday and had the EXACT same reaction with nonstop vomiting, chills/shaking, low body temp, weakness.
My husband was even scared for me and not much rattles him. I was so sick we both honestly thought it was the end. Very very scarey experiences. I didn't think I'd be alive this morning to write about it.
My LLMD didn't warn me this could happen. He told me to take 15 tablets 3 times a day. It was DEFINITELY the chlorella.
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Does anyone think I need to contact my LLMD about this today for any reason? Or am I safe now?
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