I have been trying really hard to stick to my no gluten, no sugar diet. I find that when I cheat most often is when I do not have enough money to have a complete "arsenol" of alternative foods in my cupboards and frig, and I end up eating something I should not, just because I do not have anything I can really eat.
Regardless, when I AM on this diet, I always, always feel like I am starving.
In the past, I have always the type who "grazes" and snacks all the day long, plus eats small meals, and get full really fast, then be hungry a half-hour later, but this is different.
I am very thin, have been losing way too much weight, and I just walk around feeling like a starving child 24/7. I go to bed hungry, I wake up hungry and just feel like I am straving all the time. I can't think of anything else to fill me up.
I have tried the cocounut oils/butters, crackers (gluten free, of course) and cheese, cereals that taste like eating air, lol, meat, veggies, even the occasional potato, wild rice, nuts, and I am just plain hungry!
I think I need a giant dessert! (kidding).
Any suggestions will be appreciated in how I can eat again and actually feel FULL.
Thank you!
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Try eating Hot Breakfast Porridge made with quinoa flakes a number of times per day.
Make a double or triple batch. Then, put it in small containers and refigerate. When you want something to eat, microwave a container. It is like a dessert. You will love the taste.
Usually nuts will satisfy a person for a while also.
Quinoa is allowed on the anti-yeast diet because it is a seed and not a grain.
This porridge has helped a lyme patient friend of mine stop losing weight.
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My lowest weight was when i was on vacation, cheating on my diet even, around 109. (I was tired and living off coffee).
What part of Minnesota are you at? I'm over in S.Dakota
I know we aren't supposed to have fruit. But in the morning I cut up one apple (peeled) into cubes into a tiny pot, throw some fresh blueberries in with some cinnamon and white figs plus Ghee butter. Bring it all to a boil, then turn it down to simmer and let it simmer for 20 mins with a lid on it. Baked fruit is better than raw, i forget why. But I do pretty well with it. Berries are allowed even on the strict candida diet. This won't make you gain weight but it is really good for a person, in my opinion, when eaten in the morning or as a "dessert" after a nice meal.
Make sure you are getting enough water too. Sometimes its easy to mistake hunger for actual dehydration. For me, a gallon a day minimum is pretty necessary.
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Gluten-free is very difficult. I just started it myself, too.
Has anybody found a good gluten-free bread? They all taste like rocks to me!
My favorite remedy for hunger is to have mixed nuts. In general I always try to have nuts on hand, because not only are they healthy, but they have tons of calories and help with blood-glucose levels. Even a handful of nuts is like a meal. Seeds are similar.
If someone is craving sugars, then stevia and xylitol are good substitutes. I know stevia is popular, but many people don't know about xylitol. It's natural, healthy, and it can be used JUST like sugar. You even add the exact same recipe-amounts of xylitol as you would sugar. I'm pretty sure the xylitol doesn't feed yeast. Also, it's bacteriocidal, so instead of causing cavities like sugar does, it actually prevents cavities and is good for your teeth.
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Thanks for the responses. I do drink a TON of water. Water and water with lemon is ALL that I drink throughout the day, and I always have water next to me and with me wherever I go.
I refuse to cut fruit completely out of my diet. I try to limit that with highest sugar content, but I will even put a bit of banana in my Pamela's pancakes. I am hooked/addicted to grapefruit...I love it this year for some reason! And I used to pile it with sugar, and now I love it just the way it is.
This diet has also made me realize how few and how little I like vegetables. I am not proud of that, but it is true. I do love the low sodium V-8 juice, and I love peas, fresh green beans and spinach with lemon juice. I used to like salads, but now that I cannot have dressings, I don't like salads or raw veggies without the dip, lol.
I have not found a good gluten free bread yet, but I did make a list of what others recommended, and I think there is bread on that list. I will try to remember to post it. I haven't found a good pasta, either, but I bought a new kind to try, so will let you know the results on that, too.
I do make a couple of desserts, like chocolate cake or lemon cake in a mug that get me by when I have the sweets cravings, but nothing FILLS me, not even nuts or nut butters.
Stevia is the only sweetener I am allowed. So, I have found ways to eat more things, just never feel filled up on this diet, no matter how much I eat, and believe me, I can eat a lot.
I am 5'7" and down to 110 pounds and holding, lol, so I can related, too!
Thanks, again!
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Dressing for salad:
Juice of one lemon (fresh squeezed, NOT bottled) 1-2 teaspoons of water Twice as much olive oil as lemon juice + water mixture A dash of salad herbs (blend) A dash of garlic powder A sprinkle of xylitol crystals, a drop or two of Stevia liquid, a dribble of agave, or a dribble of tupelo honey
Combine all ingredients in a jar with a good sealing lid. Shake well and also shake prior to using. Store in the refrigerator up to 3 days (let it sit out a little while if the olive oil makes it solidify too much). Can substitute apple cider vinegar for the lemon juice, and/or add other seasonings or herbs.
When I was able to eat more variety, I loved to marinade fresh, raw veggies in the above dressing mix - my favorite is a mix of tomatoes (diced) and sliced green onions (scallions)...pour enough dressing to just cover the tomatoes & onions, let it sit in the refrigerator for an hour, and eat it with rice or bean chips...yum!
--- Another favorite that usually always helped me feel full: A can of organic refried beans, heated up, served with salsa and corn chips...
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Hi HopesAlive,
I hear you. If I don't have rice or bread or pasta it doesn't matter what else I eat or how much I'm still starving!! After 3 weeks I got so sick of feeling hungry, dizzy, and weak that I just blew up! I took the kids and went out to eat! Funny thing was I ordered whatever I wanted but I didn't even eat that much!! What I learned was that while trying to stay compliant I was making myself more weak and stressed out. When I removed the restrictions I realized I don't eat that poorly anyway... so now I do things in moderation.
I figured having gluten 1-2 a week isn't going to kill me. So now if I'm craving a sandwich then I'm having that sandwich (even if just 1/4 of it). Like you I cannot cut out fruits. I don't have issues w/ cake, pie, cookies or ice cream... but my weakness is fruits. And I eat A LOT of variety of fruits. So in that regard I'm so not compliant!
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Well first off, I'll gladly give you 20 lbs!!
Seriously though having had my daughter on a GF diet has been challenging but not as challenging as say going dairy-free or egg-free.
She is a young girl and always hungry. There really are no GF breads that are good. Though UDI bagels are really decent....put a frozen one in foil and bake at 400 for 20-30 minutes. Top with butter or cream cheese and you won't notice much of a difference.
Also for breading chicken/eggplant for parmiagiana put Rice Chex into the food processor.
I have to say that Rice Chex makes a darn good breadcrumb. I've used the ground up Rice Chex as a substitute for breadcrumbs in meatballs, meatloaf, topping for broiled fish.
My daughter HATED vegetables. When we went GF it was amazing how she took a liking to string beans with garlic, broccoli with garlic, tomatoes, caesar salad, celery and carrots with ranch dressing.
IMO I think it's better to have veggies with the dressing if that's the way you like them. Veggies vs. no veggies?? Guess what wins?
As far as fruit, I personally don't see a problem with that. I understand the diets. But eating cantaloupe, pineapple, watermelon, etc. -- how can that be bad?? Sugar, yes, but all those antioxidants? Sorry but that trumps the sugar.
GF once you get used to it isn't as difficult as you might think.
We eat very well and are full every night eating GF. There are many links to GF recipes, many of which have been posted here before.
To fill up your belly, eat meat, chicken, fish, yogurt, fruits, veggies w/dip, coldcuts (boars head is GF), cheese, rice, risotto, GF pretzels, GF crackers.
As for desserts, if you are able to eat dairy, go for ice cream. Breyer's I've found is the purest in terms of additives. And since you're thin eat a few extra scoops for me!
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I have found that good rice pasta really helps. I make homemade pesto sauce to put on it, and the combination of olive oil and pine nuts provides lots of healthy fats.
We just started carrying Jovial brown rice pastas, and they are the best I have found by far.
In terms of breads (which I can't eat right now, since I am also yeast free), I like making my own. It's expensive, but the King Arthur Flour GF bread mix is wonderful. We also have several great GF bakeries in VT that have mastered decent breads.
Lots of nuts. I eat almonds by the handful. It will be hard to break that habit when I am done with treatment!
For me, I had to get used to savory breakfasts, rather than sweet. It was a hard switch, but I now love pesto in the morning.
Good luck!
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For quick snacks to stave off hunger, I filled up on rice cakes or similar with cashew or hazel nut butter.
Sometimes I made a spread with mashed avocado, garlic and paprika/cayenne. You can spread this thickly on crackers or glutenfree bread/toast and build up layers of tomatoes etc on top too if you want.
You can also make an olivade/tapenade spread with olives, anchovies, garlic etc and use liberally as a dip/spread.
I would caution against over-compensating with cheese as an appetite-filler; in fact many gluten-free and anti-candida diets recommend no dairy also, but I'm not trying to alarm you! Parmesan has fairly low lactose, but lots of taste appeal.
For main meals, apart from the obvious roast chicken etc, pulse dishes are filling. Sweet potatoes have a lower GI than ordinary ones, so you could bake or mash them. Indian and Middle Eastern recipes tend to be gluten and sugar-friendly and quinoa in general in dishes/as an accompaniment] is great [though I never liked the porridge made from it!]
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I found a website that has very good Gluten free,dairy free and some sugar free bakery products.
Feel free to pm me and I will give it to anyone who is interested.
I know the aways feeling hungry feeling and I believe that gluten or no gluten I would feel the same.
I eat walnuts,almonds and cashews. They are healthy and fattening! My LLMD said to stay away from peanuts.
Also-I try to eat lots of protein bc it it supposed to make you feel less hungry
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I would suggest upping your protein intake - that is what solved the hunger issue for me.
As well, I wonder whether my cutting out all grains and legumes and any - even a smige - of refined sugar has had an effect on my no longer being starving all the time.
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laurie .. please post it here so we can all benefit!!
HA .. add avocados to salads, almond butter to whatever you like. Fats keep us from being hungry. Good fats, that is.
Udi's has a good bread and I hear that Rudi's is even better. Also try Kinnickinnick breads. Remember that all gluten free breads, pastas, etc are very WHITE foods and will promote yeast overgrowth.
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No legumes? I eat a lot of Legumes...black beans in particular. Is this wrong? - The body needs carbs. I eat quinoa with black beans. I eat a lot of Hummus too.
The diet was tough for the first month for me. After a while, the hunger went away. As long as I eat 3 good meals/ day with some healthy snacks in between. I don't really get that "starved" feeling anymore.
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Some say legumes, soy in particular, are bad for you. I've heard / read that they contain toxic aspects. I'm sure someone will come along who knows more about it than I do; you could always do a search for "legumes toxic" and see what you get.
For me, the proof was in the pudding, so to speak Legumes - all grains - were giving me a problem; when I persisted after cutting them out, my symptoms lessened.
So...try cutting them out.
If you eat lots of veggies and fruit, you'll get enough carb.
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Wow, thank you everyone! I am going to have to get out my notebook and take some notes here. I have gotten much better at finding gluten and sugar free foods, but I just can't get full.
I find that when I cheat, it is always due to not having the money to afford all my special foods, and that is when I give up, discouraged.
Thank you for the salad dressing recipe. Going to write that down, too!
Chex: I was eating those like crazy at first, but they DO contain sugar. So bland, you would not think so, but they do.
Bread: my notes say that Glutino French Bread mix is good and good to make garlic bread out of. I have never tried it.
Pasta: someone at the store recommended Tinkyada Pasta Joy, and I have it in my cupboard. I was complaining to him that all gluten free pastas taste like glue. I will post my review after I try it.
I also search a lot of websites and I joined a group where we share recipes, on another site.
I have a recipe for that cake in a cup and lemon shortbread cookies. I just have to get the ingredients, then freeze some for when I have sugar cravings.
Another problem is so much of this diet involves having the energy to cook, which I often do NOT. I can sit here craving something and it is impossible to stand there and cook it up. Been eating a lot of eggs, Pamela's mix pancakes, etc.
I tried plain yogurt smoothies with berries and I did find a protein drink that is gluten and sugar free at Trader Joes, but no money to buy it.
I LOVE a certain brand of crackers that cost almost $5.00 a box. Found them at the health co-op for two for $5.00, but ate them all already. Most "crackers" are more like a tortilla chip and I like a REAL cracker.
I can't imagine going dairy free, too. This is truly a learning process, and I am doing my best. I have no doubt, if I had a ton of money, that I could stay on this diet without a problem. I stock up and feel like I have a ton of food and before I know it it is all gone again, lol.
My son bought me a mini Forman grill for Mother's Day, which is SO nice. Makes two small pieces of chicken, steak, or burgers at a time without heating up the house or getting out the crock pot or frying pan. I love it! Burger is done in four minutes.
I am going to come back to this thread with my notebook, like I said, and I will keep sharing as I find new things for us to eat and actually get full.
P.S. I LOVE the cocunut butter, but can't figure out what to eat with it except by the spoonful. On crackers was gross to me. Any suggestions for that?
Thanks, again, for all your awesome ideas!
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Ever try coconut flour? Provided you bake and your budget allows, I find it a great filler.
I don't know if that adheres to your plan of eating, but it is excellent. It is gluten free and high in fiber.
You can find some recipes online at various processors sites and cooking blogs. Brownies, muffins, pancakes, cakes, use it as a breading, plus more I'm sure I'm missing.
Cheaper online if you buy in larger quantities.
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Okay. I just sampled the pasta I posted above, and I really like it!
I know that we are not supposed to over cook the gluten free pasta (and I like "el dente" style pasta, anyway), but I did not cook it long enough, lol.
Regardless, this is by far the best pasta I have found on my quest to find gluten free pasta, thus far. I tried the fettucini style, browned just a tiny bit of ground beef, then added some sugar free tomato sauce along with a touch of garlic and oregano. Very tasty! The only thing missing was some parmesan cheese, nice salad and garlic bread, but I barely had the energy to make what I did.
Might have to have my cake in a mug for dessert if I get the sweets craving tonight.
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I have NOT tried coconut flour, but I will add this to my notebook list! Sounds great!
My guidelines are simple. I eat anything that is gluten free and sugar free, try to limit the fruits highest in sugars, and allow ONLY Stevia as a sweetener. That's it. Anything more complicated than that, and I will be off my diet. I know myself too well.
I can't make huge changes or many changes at once. The above is challenging enough for me, but getting better as time goes on. At first I was SO confused and even depressed, lol, because food is my LIFE! I LOVE food, but I was not restricting anything in my diet. Being thin, I was eating whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted and as much as I wanted, so this has been a drastic change for me.
I had not idea how much sugar I was eating until I stopped. And I DID have sugar withdrawals..horrible headaches and back pain for three full days before things leveled off.
I still miss many foods, but I am learning to appreciate what I can have. I just wish I had more energy to cook and more money to buy what I need.
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I apologize. I mistakenly thought that coconut flour was listed as 0g of sugar in the nutritional information.
It is listed as having 1g per serving size of 2T. I believe even products with 0g on the nutritional label can have a certain small amount of sugar and still be listed as 0g.
My apologies for any confusion or false hope (no pun intended) this may have caused. I make my goodies with stevia or xylitol.
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Ever since I went gluten-free, I've been having homemade popcorn every day. It's tasty, healthy, filling, and cheap!
I fry it in coconut oil, which is very healthy, and has yeast-killing properties (caprylic and caprycylic acids).
Also it becomes even healthier and tastier if you add nutritional yeast. Then it tastes like cheese popcorn!
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For dessert, try plain full-fat yogurt with carob powder swirled in. Tastes like chocolate pudding. You can add something to sweeten, if you like, such as xylitol or stevia, but I think it's delicious plain. If you have fresh mint in the garden, a sprig on top will make it look festive.
Can you eat oats? There are gluten-free brands of oatmeal available--specially grown so that it is not contaminated with other grains that contain gluten. A serving of oats, oat bran cereal, quinoa, or amaranth for breakfast can be very filling, alongside whatever else you eat as a protein source for breakfast. Topped with cinnamon, walnuts, bananas, and some peanut butter stirred in, it's pretty good.
For a savory meal or snack, hot oatmeal or brown rice, avocado, and tomato or salsa.
I'm glad you tried the Tinkyada brown rice pasta. It's delicious, and it comes in a lot of varieties. I wish they would make some bread, too.
Perhaps eating whole grains (oatmeal or oat bran & brown rice) would be more filling than relying on foods made with refined G-F flours. Whole-food carbs digest more slowly and don't lead to as many blood-sugar crashes.
Do you like sweet potatoes/yams? Try adding steamed or baked yam to oatmeal and top with cinnamon, butter or other healthy fat, and chopped raw pecans for a filling breakfast or dessert.
Top cooked brown rice with rinsed black beans or refried pinto or black beans and some salsa.
Best of luck to you. Hope you can find some new filling foods! Nutmeg
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I gave up pasta completely and this was one of the hardest things I had to do. I'm Italian and we ate pasta three nights/week. But I've discovered that I can curb my pasta cravings with spaghetti squash. I cook that up in the oven and make a bolognese sauce to top it with. It really is quite tasty!
Instead of using breadcrumbs to fry up chicken cutlet, I use a mixture of half unsweetened coconut flakes and half almonds that I run through the food processor to grind up.
Instead of mashed potatoes, we have mashed ruttabagas made with almond milk instead of regular milk, salt, pepper and ghee.
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I am not Italian, but I always say that our family SHOULD be. I love all the Italian dishes, too, and I make a mean manicotti, lol. My boys LOVE it!
I am still amazed with all the good ideas in this thread! The chocolate pudding sounds very good for those times when I really need a "treat!"
I am doing my best, and I do plan to come back soon with my notebook and jot down a lot of great ideas here. Wish I had time to respond to each one. Just know your ideas are welcome and appreciated! Thank you so much!
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