quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: You're right, James. Except I don't think they would necessarily get teased for not doing it. What age are we talking about here? (Calif)
Dang, girl! What kind of school did you go to? Catholic?!
I went to schoo' in the ghetto, shoot. Kids would get teased over anything! I could give examples of how the kids were insulting each other... but I'm sure I'd get chastised.
I agree that it's probably different in every school, but seriously, you must be in a good neighborhood if "abuse" isn't the norm.
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It gets to be a lot for kids to remember. Ok so when I'm offered a shot I'm to decline, screaming and kicking if i have to. But when I'm offered chemical hand sanitizer or aspartame or high fructose corn syrup, I'm to decline, but I don't have to kick and scream over those because they just have a "little" poison and if the teacher makes me do it, I can go ahead and just come home and tell mommy afterwards. It's a lot for a 5 year old to get. Hopefully it won't come to that.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979: I went to schoo' in the ghetto, shoot. Kids would get teased over anything! I could give examples of how the kids were insulting each other... but I'm sure I'd get chastised.
It's a good thong those kids don't know you're doing kegels. Talk about the teasing!
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quote:Originally posted by jlp38: It gets to be a lot for kids to remember. Ok so when I'm offered a shot I'm to decline, screaming and kicking if i have to. But when I'm offered chemical hand sanitizer or aspartame or high fructose corn syrup, I'm to decline, but I don't have to kick and scream over those because they just have a "little" poison and if the teacher makes me do it, I can go ahead and just come home and tell mommy afterwards. It's a lot for a 5 year old to get. Hopefully it won't come to that.
jlp - you sound like a very well-informed mom. I'm surprised you know and are concerned even about the hand sanitizers. Were you referring to "Triclosan" in particular? I almost wanted to start a thread about triclosan, telling people not to fall for the "anti-bacterial" bit.
But you know what, most people here don't listen to me anyway. They think that everything I'm writing is a joke. Can you believe it? Like one time I was telling about the importance of squatting-style toilets, and they thought I was joking! Whatever.
When I was a kid, my mom gave me gummy worms, white spaghetti, white rice, margarine, Mountain Dew, and Pepto Bismol. Oh yeah, and Crisco. Can't forget the Crisco.
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quote:Originally posted by jlp38: It's a good thong those kids don't know you're doing kegels. Talk about the teasing!
LOL! Hey, there are just some things you don't talk about, okay?
BTW, did your husband ever end up changing his mind about the ass exercises? Did he say that he might start recommending them to his patients?
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Question: Wasn't it recently revealed that Merck paid Rick Perry to try to poison all the Texan girls with Gardasil? (I'm asking, because I don't follow the news closely).
IF that was the case, then isn't it shameful for the CA governor to be doing the exact same thing?
Also, isn't Perry getting a bunch of negative publicity for trying to push Gardasil? Then why would it be allowed in CA?? It just seems awfully strange to me.
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Perry did it as an executive order, bypassing his congress. They reversed it though. He's getting a lot of negative publicity in the circles I hang in. But I think a lot of people like him.
As to hand sanitizer, I havent done a ton of research on triclosan. I just know introducing a lot of chemicals into our environment is not good. I don't really need the research. It's a principle. I can get the research if I want it. I prefer the thyme based hand sanitizer over chemical, but honestly, I'd rather they not use that either. All bacteria is not bad and I don't think it's a good idea to kill it all.
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I hate this vaccine it ruined my life
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But luckily I have my kids trained well. They have not had a vaccine in YEARS so they know no one is to touch them! I guess it's time to consider moving!
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: So what age are they targeting for the shots?
Looks like 12 and up. That's awfully young!
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quote:Originally posted by tricia386: I hate this vaccine it ruined my life
I'm so sorry for you that no one spoke and told you of the dangers. You might want to look into a lawsuit. There is a vaccine injury compensation fund. The federal govt requires vaccine manufacturers to maintain this fund because there are so many injuries. I don't know what it takes to qualify, but it might be worth it if it paid your medical bills.
I'll never know but it has occurred to me that vaccines are what messed up my life too. I haven't had a vaccine since I was a child (and that was a long time ago, I just turned 40) but I wonder if my immune system hadn't been destroyed by vaccines all those years ago, would I have been able to fight Lyme? I think maybe so.
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I called today and it looks like there was no statement from the governor on the site about why he signed AB499 into law. Sometimes governors make a statement if they're vetoing something.
Well, the ACLU was not available today, but we can find out this week who's going to start the protest action on this one.
In the meantime, I think we oughta make some noise about it, even as individuals.
We can fax/email/write letters by going to www.gov.ca.gov, click on contact.
The governor's number is (toll free) 855-468-2796. Besides telling them that you're opposed to this for reasons of safety and lack of parental/family information and consent, if you don't live in California, you can add that you're also concerned about precedence, that this could spread to other states.
By the way, I found out that lack of parental knowledge/consent happened earlier than this bill - not sure when, but still, wrong, wrong, wrong - families are being made to bear the burden should something go wrong and vaccine manufacturers are not liable. What a convenient law.
I'd love to see the state of CA sued for the legislature and governor having passed this, should there be a wrongful death or serious consequence, like Guillain Barre.
Just so you all know, SANEvax found recombinant DNA in the vaccines - meaning these have been genetically engineered. As far as I'm concerned, NOT SAFE!
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Quote: "Brown thinks that a sixth grader can understand the risks and benefits of receiving vaccines such as Gardasil, Cervarix, and Hepatitis B. In grave irony, Sunday he also signed into law a ban on teens using tanning booths. Apparently Brown thinks a child can decipher the medical jargon in a twenty-seven page product insert, including statistical details from placebo controlled trials, but doesn't think teens can make decisions about whether or not they will get a sunburn in a tanning bed."
Brown is so bought. He should just wear a baseball cap that says "Merck" on it.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979: [ Brown is so bought. He should just wear a baseball cap that says "Merck" on it. [/QB]
Yes I'm sure he is. It also appears to me that he simply thinks he knows better than parents. He doesn't really think 6th graders can make decisions like this. But he doesn't think parents can either. So he'll make the decision for them. It is SOOOOOO wrong and SOOOOOO unconstitutional. It's hard to believe our country has come to this. James, have you read Atlas Shrugged? I just finally read it. We really are there and we don't even realize it.
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jlp - no, I haven't even heard of Atlas Shrugged. I just looked it up on Amazon. It has a TON of reviews.
So basically the story is that it was 1950's fiction about a horribly corrupt government, and now 50 years later it ends up to be a true story?
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Love the picture! Has he admitted or anyone confirmed that he's got merck lobbyists? Of course they are there, but it usully takes awhile for people to catch on.
Well, I thought everybody but me had read that book. It's a great read. And yes, you've pretty much got the main point. It's about a society where people quit producing and basically start looting - they just let the govt think for them. Of course revolution follows. The book has become popular again the last few years because of the way the economy is going.
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Ok hang on, I thought brown was a white dude? Am I confused? Still a hilarious picture.
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quote:Originally posted by jlp38: Ok hang on, I thought brown was a white dude? Am I confused? Still a hilarious picture.
Oh crap. Did I get the wrong guy? I don't have a TV and I never watch the news, so I don't know how these guys look like. I just searched Google Images for "CA mayor brown".
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I think he's governor, not mayor. Lol. And don't feel bad, I had look up his pic too to make sure.
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Well, if the guy in my picture is a mayor somewhere, he's probably "bought" too!
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LOL @ James! Good gawd James, I can always count on you to make me laugh hysterically!
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Jame's blunder - PRICELESS!!
For a second I thought perhaps Gov Brown had spent a little too much time in the tanning booth himself. Hahahahaa!!!!!!!
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James, James, James!!! You have displayed a pic of ex-SF mayor Willie Brown, and he is working hard on da mayor's race!!
It's Governor JERRY Brown who thinks any kid can handle deciding whether to handle a vaccine without telling their parents!
No, I didn't know that he banned teens from making a decision about whether they can tan safely. Good find there - that juxtaposition oughta be turned into a protest sign -
So, I invite you to keep the Merck hat here and put it on the right Brown!!
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You're getting closer, James! This is Gov Brown's predecessor. Now, Jerry Brown's a little older than this - can you age him some?
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JLP i did look into a lawsuit.
Bc I didnt have a long enough hospital stay I could not sue.
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Although he's holding a gun and you can't have guns in Cali anymore either. Just another thing the founding fathers saw fit to put in the constitution but which this guy is ignoring.
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You can't have guns in CA?! Since when?! I can't believe it.
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James, maybe if you put a hypodermic needle in his hand instead of the gun, that would work, and then we could send it viral...
James found a good CA news article - says Merck paid $39,000 to state legislators. I notice that one of mine voted for it even though he's not on the list. Wonder how much they "donated" to Gov Brown.
Boy oh boy, or rather, girl oh girl, my on-the-street research yesterday: Planned Parenthood reps were out in force downtown soliciting funds. They are one of the organizations, among many, who supported this bill.
I asked the young women if they knew about the bill. One did not, one was in favor of Gardasil, and one had had the shot at age 9. None knew about the reported 22,000 side effect cases nor the 89 deaths.
My take on this - don't let up, here or anywhere. This is a very dangerous precedent. For both girls and boys at school.
Gosh, my school daze were simple compared to this - we just went to school!
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Bravo, James - are you a computer graphic artist? Now, this is good, and you got the right guy!
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quote:Originally posted by Robin123: Bravo, James - are you a computer graphic artist? Now, this is good, and you got the right guy!
Oh my goodness. Who is this girl? Did you just ask me if I'm an artist? How many months have I been with you here on Lymenet, and you do not yet know that I am a great artist?
Where have you been all of these weeks when I have been sharing my artwork with all of the Lymenet members? Surely you saw my famous "Man and Wife" painting, which was so widely acclaimed?
I should make a post some day with links to all of my famous artwork. That way everybody will be able to enjoy my art. Then we could make it a sticky, and men and women from all over the world will join Lymenet to partake in the joy.
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doing the confused tango..?
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James, I am sooooo looking forward to your museum collection coming this way, particularly your "Man and Lyme" abstract, and your "Lyme and Wife" drawings -
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Amazing, isn't it? Watch out for this, and be prepared to speak out on it. I have started doing so in SF and it's going ok so far - we'll see - but very good response, lots of concern -
Check out www.sanevax.org and www.truthaboutgardasil.org, also can do a search on facebook for it. Two brothers are making a doc in HI since their sister got affected by it - called "One More Girl" - supposed to be out in early 2012.
I was looking at the symptoms it causes, and a lot of them seem similar to those caused by Lyme, what, indicating a similar auto-immune response, I guess -
amazing that a whole new group has to go through this, and they don't even have treatment for it - so again, be prepared to warn your community about it if needed -
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I spoke with someone in the school district yesterday - they will not be giving the vaccine here because, A, it is expensive, and B, because they feel it is a matter for primary care doctors to handle and not the school district.
I suggest any Californian feel free to contact your school district to ask them the same question, since the state has now legalized giving the vaccines at school.
The vaccine can potentially disable or kill any child, as well as worsen any Lyme infection and maybe others.
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quote:Originally posted by Robin123: I spoke with someone in the school district yesterday - they will not be giving the vaccine here because, A, it is expensive, and B, because they feel it is a matter for primary care doctors to handle and not the school district.
Well D-U-H ... They probably had to have high level meetings to figure that one out!!!!
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