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The point of getting the PE1, as I understand it, is that it is more powerful with more frequencies than say the $20 pointer you can get at Wal Mart. Larry said it is much more powerful with more settings than even the Bionic which costs five times as much. So Power is a good thing.
You want so many joules applied to the treated site- Length of time, mass of LED's and power means more joules which gives better results from what I have read.
My question is, if the PE1 should only be used for a very short period of time because it is so powerful, would it not be equally effective to buy a much less costly device and use it longer? Why pay $1600 for this machine and only use it a couple of minutes. Why not just get a machine for a couple of hundred dollars (or Less) and use it say 20 minutes instead of ten?
Also if the Nogier frequencies are calculated to reach specific organs and systems in the body, why not use them if you know you have an infection there?
LED light has been used with Autism, dementia, cavitation, healing wounds including diabetic ulcers and many other things. Russia leads the research in low level laser therapy. NASA was interested in it because wounds heal poorly in space and astronauts loose muscle strength.
None of this applies to nosodes. Nosodes take a leap of faith. We have to be careful when we are asked to pay for things that have no scientific validation. If a doctor is selling a treatment and he is the only person doing the "research" obviously he has a reason to make it look successful. It could be snake oil.
If it is this easy, why pay someone for it. If you want to try this treatment, get a $20 laser pointer from Wal Mart (there is a book published saying this devise is effective). Then go into your woods and trap a tick in a jelly jar.
Tape it to your solar plexis and fire away. Next step tape your own blood or urine or snot or whatever you have to your solar plexis and fire away with that.
I'll do it. I am so desperate I will do anything. But by golly, I am going to tell you if it works or not and for me I feel like the Emperor standing in his underwear with the little boy yelling he does not see my grand outfit.
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This is why I got the LightWorks by SOTA. I think you can do some of the things that are being done in Germany with it. I figured I'd try it out rather than spending $20,000 going to Germany.
I got quite ill & I think it was because of the parasites. No one really knew about this at the time.
I think you can get results with the LightWorks which was around $300. I have read people got results with a red laser pointer, too.
There needs to be comparative studies about all of this. Seems like "evidence based medicine" is a reality these days. There's alot of corruption in the whole area of health, drugs, supplements & healing - on all sides.
We do have to try these things & see how it works for us as individuals. Borrelia in Germany may not be the same as borrelia here. There are many individual factors that can cause success or failure.
I'm glad I spent $300 on the LightWorks. All of these things can be helpful but there no hard & fast rule that says this is 100% effective. Same holds true for antibiotics & the testing itself... We don't even know what exactly we are treating in many cases.
It should be better but this is the reality.
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quote:Originally posted by nefferdun:
My question is, if the PE1 should only be used for a very short period of time because it is so powerful, would it not be equally effective to buy a much less costly device and use it longer? Why pay $1600 for this machine and only use it a couple of minutes. Why not just get a machine for a couple of hundred dollars (or Less) and use it say 20 minutes instead of ten?
The Bionic is used for 50 minutes. Neither the Bionic nor the PE1 are lasers, but I get your point. Something like the Lightworks would have to be used for substantially longer since the Bionic is used five times as long as you're saying for the PE1.
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What a great discussion. This what makes this a great site, trading treatment protocols, real life experiences, and technology explanations.
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It can be time consuming using the LightWorks. I think it does do some of the things you can do with more expensive equipment. We may not need very high doses of light in many cases. I think it does work for "injesting" homeopathic remedies but I haven't experimented with it alot.
I stepped back a bit from using it because I really had to focus on anti-parasite protocols. I never imagined that it would take me 2+ years to deal with the parasites.
I think the LightWorks is a good way to see if this kind of treatment will work for you. You can spend $300 & see if you like it. If it helps, you can try the more expensive equipment.
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I have been doing a lot of research on photon therapy using PE-1 as many of you know from PM's I have sent.
Just as a curiosity is there any possibility that near infared sauna's may have some of the same action mechanisms. Sauna therapy of course has been a method to assist TBD treatment for a long time. Cold near infared combine both some of the light therapy and the anaerobic properties of heat. This manufacturer was particularly interesting and Dr. Lawrence Wilson book.
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Do you have a far infared, near infared or other type.
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Theoretically, you could go out in the sun & get exposed to many wavelengths of light.
I have not used the Bionic or PE1 but spending time in an infrared sauna is different than using a device with LEDs.
The unit you posted looks interesting. I don't know how good it would be. There a Korean bathhouse near where I live that has many types of saunas. Using a device is different. It's more focused or concentrated - less diffuse.
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My sauna is far infrared and it's nothing like the Bionic.
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Plus a device has various frequencies (patterns of light, like a light dance), some of which are specific for bacteria/virus. If different frequencies cause the body to do (heal, kill, etc) different things, I guess the most basic question would be, what frequency is the sauna?
A FIR sauna heats you up from the inside out, helping your body to rid toxins. Treating borrelia with a device does not do that.
From my nonscientific viewpoint, the only thing they have in common is that they both use light at the "near" end of the infrared scale.
But, hey, what do I know? Guess you have to investigate for yourself.
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As I said, I was just curious, these are different of course from FIR sauna of which I have a nice Healthmate. The manufacturer said the wavelength spectrum covers a range of about 200-1200. We are all just brainstorming together. Appreciate the comments.
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Yes, you're quite right, JCarl. Brainstorming is good. Sorry if I sounded harsh or rude. It was not my intent.
Remember, if you do use a near infrared photon light device, wait at least 5 days before using a far infrared sauna. Any less time between and the light differences (near vs far) will confuse your body.
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Wow, lively discussion here! I got a tip that I should check back and I thank the contributor who got my attention
So it's 2012 and I'm starting the year with a whopper of a sinus infection (I've always been prone to them). It's at the top of my list to learn more about making nosodes from saliva, etc, but until then, anyone have any experience treating sinus infections with the PE-1 and nosodes?
Apart from that, I've seen a lot of effect using the unit with friends and family. I know most folks here are interested in Lyme treatment, but it seems worth mentioning that the PE-1 is quite useful in treating muscular injuries, healing post-surgical wounds, and mobilizing metals in the system (pls be prepared to bind the little boogers and flush em' out!).
I've done 1 blood nosode treatment since returning from Germany in mid-August. I added 50% more time than the calculated equivalent Dr. W used with his machine. An hour or two after, I felt fatigued, but not pained. If anyone wants to know more about that sensation let me know, but I think most folks here have experienced it.
I'm still finding the right balance of time:benefit for where I am in my healing process, but I do feel I've held the progress made in Germany.
One of the aspects of treatment not recently discussed in this thread is the mind-body connection. Dr. W. is insistent upon focusing on one's healing and allowing a somewhat meditative state during treatment. I got a little lazy a month or so after returning home and noticed that what I choose to focus on makes a difference in my response with the PE-1.
I no longer feel any effect from using the Lyme nosodes, which doesn't mean nothing is happening, but could also mean that Lyme isn't a major issue for me. I will continue to do a blood treatment every 3-4 months. I am mostly well (except for this *&%# sinus infection), but have a good bit of rebuilding to do before I feel robust again.
Foe me, it's also important to remember that Lyme allows so many other things to become out of balance in the body, and that some of those imbalances may have assisted the Lyme in flaring up. For this reason, I really like the idea of using one's own blood to correct unknown imbalances.
I'd love to hear about experiences and successes using (body fluid) nosodes if anyone cares to share.Also, a family member is suffering from cancer and MS. Anyone have success addressing those illnesses?
To sum up the post Germany adventure check-in, I'm still doing MUCH better than before I left. I've been learning about the PE-1 and am currently seeking to refine my ability to discern time:benefit and treat using nosodes. Dr. W. felt the PE-1 is a good machine (I took the specs for it with me to Germany), but there's no replacement for his experience. As always, please let me know if you have any questions and I thank you all for your thoughts, knowledge, and support.
Sincerely, Steph
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Steph, great to know you are doing fine! I also do Qikong and Taichi, plus jogging. I guess they complement each other!! I hope you enjoy. It helps to move the energy and heat in the body, in a more 'profound' way than jogging or bike, in my feeling.
I get warmer much faster with Taichi /Qikong than with biking or jogging. It is funny!
Sinus infection, I suppose, can be treated with Sanum. Dr. K. finds aspergilus niger is usually very much found there (Nigersan is the name of the Sanum nosode). I think pulsed infrared helps, but coupled with nosodes (you got to find the right one) is the right thing.
The problem with Aspergilus is that the body produces it, it is not an infection like borrelia (that comes from outside the body). There could be a sort of involvement with Mucor racemosus and Aspergilus niger, a sort of ballet of both being active. I fought mostly Mucor, not much Aspergilus, but I rarely have got any sinus problems.
If Nigersan and Mukokehl don't solve your problem, you could try other Sanum nosodes. They are usually efficient for us (we have, I think ALL Sanum products and used them once in a while). If energetic tested, these are the fastest way for getting disease out, I mean, the infectious part of disease.
thanks for saying you took the PE1 to dr. Woitzel and that he found it was a good machine!!!
I agree about muscular injuries! I do feel the same. And also cartilage or joint injuries, at least, when I first jogged for too long without preparation, up and down the hills, I got pain in one knee and the PE1 did help.
Another thing for your sinus: just take a drop of what's coming out of your nose and prepare a nosode. You can do the a bit of non diluted liquid in a vial. Then start with D3, D6, D12 D30, D60. I would test energetically, but if you can't just start like borrelia protocol, with lower dilutions. And wait.
if no reaction, increase dilutions. You can google how to make homeopathic nosodes. The only thing I recommend is the succusion of at least 40 times per dilution. If you wish to ingest the nosode instead of photooning them, add vodka to the first tincture, then add again vodka in the last dilution.
Another thing for sinus, a bit strong though, and must be done in a separate day than use of nosodes, is the use of essential oils, of the type eucaliptus /peppermint. I warn this is EXTREMELY strong. You can rub in the area or in specific acu points (you can send me an email or PM if you wish).
My daughter had some problems, and what I learned is that when the mucus get less liquid, the problem starts. So making the mucus liquid is one of the aims, to clean the sinus when infection is gone, but you still get stuffed nose... There are things that helped us:
- fresh lemon juice(very commonly used in Brazil for all kids) a few times a day (add honey, not sugar); - persimon leaf tea (very commonly used in South Corea for kids), 2-3 times a day - pommegranate as fresh fruit (I find it helps) and in Korea they ferment it in vinager and it helps too (it's a known remedy for kids too). - some chinese tinctures are made for this exact purpuse (to liquefy mucus from lungs and sinsues), they worked wonderfully well many times - Rechtsregulat (enzymes), it does help with viruses and with liquefying mucus and blood - when nothing helps, inhalation is the last resource.
At last, I gave my daughter (only once) a mix of thyme syroup + Iceland moss syroup and I find it helped her. I have no long term experience with it though, so I can't tell how much this efficient, but all the items above, I use with her for the last 2 years.
----- Cancer, I don't know anything about the use of photons with this disease... But as cancer is an immunologic disease, there must be use for photons there (I remember reading that it helps patients to accept chemio and radiotherapy better). But I don't remember where I read it.
MS is also an infectious disease of the brain, according to some physicians (whether this is causative of MS or consequence of MS, I don't know). Knowing about lyme, it makes sense to me.
Viruses must be addressed and again, photon therapy can be useful but how much, how, I don't know...
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FIR sauna, I do it sometimes, it feels good, but a Finnish sauna also does make me feel good... If someone is willing to try to couple this with nosodes, I'm all ears. Who knows?
but I suppose the heat does destroy the nosodes.... At least, that is what homeopaths use to cancel a homeopathic remedy (they heat it for some time). ---------
Nefferdun, as for the TIME of using, I also use the PE1 for about 30 minutes , in pulsed mode.
I wonder if anyone does that with CONTINUOUS mode without feeling bad... I can't still stand CONTINUOUS mode for more than a few minutes. I feel WORSE after using continuous mode (non pulsed). It is too strong for me.
That is the way I photoon borrelia nosodes. That is NOT the way dr. W photoon his nosodes, he uses pulsed mode. Pulsed mode is much milder.
I can use pulsed mode for very long on my daughter too or on other people. After my hand was burned, I used it for about 20-30 minutes I think. The pain was almost gone. Next day, I only had a bit of pink skin and it was sore but nothing too serious.
Day 3: no pain, no mark, nothing. So it did help me. I poured boiling water accidentally, from the boiler while still boiling, half of my hand was burnt....
Sorry to see you are still looking for answers and that you still don't feel good. But glad to know that you still feel the infrared still helps your immune system.
Here in Belgium /Switzerland, many people have the same virus (that causes vomiting). We are not using photons in the last weeks (except for my burnt hand), but we increased vit D3. So far so good. --------
Kimmie, congrats on your treatment!!! Wishing you good luck!
Herxes are different than herbs and abx. They come SLOWLY up for us, but remain for days. Cleaning is a must, in our experience.
As for this treatment being innefective or not, I can just say that it healed my daughter's swollen knee. She did 2 days of rocephin IV, and was still screaming and on wheel chair. I stopped her abx and started with photons, and only photons plus borrelia nosodes (and her knee liquid nosodes).
She was in danger of loosing her knee according to doctors, who accused me of pulling her off abx. Well, she healed, without abx, without herbs. In 5 days, the swelling and pain were all gone (but not the infection). 5 days!!
Unbelievable, I know...
that this therapy is not a lyme cure, I agree. It is though a big help for the BORRELIA infectious part, and for some infections, that is the LEAST I can say.
If lyme were only borrelia infection, it would be great. Lyme is unfortunately many infections, many toxins, an immune system disease (because many don't develop lyme while others do).
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As for nosodes and homeopathy being a leap of faith, I fully disagree.
There are many studies done on nosodes for infections and they do work for many, statistically.
That they do not work for all, I totally agree. That they are not miracles, I totally agree. But a leap of faith, I don't think so.
German speaking countries use homeopathy for ages, and many practioners are medical doctors.
My own Swiss lyme doctor uses basically homeopathic products (in LM dilutions, that are waaaay diluted) to treat all his lyme patients. His list of waiting is now 6 months, and he only sees you every 2 months (for new patients).
Dr. K. uses homeopathy the whole time, he himself is an homeopath, plus an ILADS member. All his courses are filled with examples of homeopathic products, specially Sanum nosodes but many others. He does not believe on classic homeopathy alone healing people today anymore, but his courses are full of homeopaths.
Nosodes are just one mode of homeopathic remedies, not even homeopathy, but isopathy, but I believe that the limit between isopathy and homeopathy is not far (because a Candida albicans nosode can treat other candida infections too).
There is no question in dr. K's mind that nosodes don't work (as he uses them all the time, at least Sanum products). There's no question of faith there, I mean, for his patients.
As for nosodes taped on the solar plexus, I agree I did NOT BELIEVE that either. How could I? How could ANYONE believe that anything taped on the tummy would cause any effect on borrelia?
The fact was that, I did not believe on that, but I believed on my energetic tests (because I went to remission a couple of times before with my herbs and other treatments, all based on my tests).
Once I had done the photon treatment to my daughter, it simply worked the way dr. W described it would work. My energetic tests said the information of the nosodes was in my daughter, she didn't need ingestion.
Not only that, the tests kept 'telling' me that if I added herbs like cats claw, andrographis, Japanese knotweed, stephania, etc, they would HARM her!! They were forbidden stuff to give to her.
but maybe another person would be different! Who knows? I wished I could have given her the plants, because that was my inner wish. I didn't, jsut because my tests said a big NO.
Having said all of that, my last candida infection was resistant to candida nosodes. They didn't work this time as they did for many years in the past. I tried Carcinosinum, and it helped a bit for a few days.
But another infection took place, at the exact spots (fingers and toes). Well, what I did at last, was simply cleaning my liver with reflex massage. Many hours of massage (about 1 hour or more a day). And taking loads of nuts (somehow they helped flushing out what was stuck in my liver, I believe).
the massage was extremely painful for weeks, but just cleaning the liver put all my skin infections dormant again.
And I still ate everything I wanted, no diet at all, Belgian chocolates, wonderful pastries etc. Wines, champagne, meats... Not very healthy, but delicious.
No candida!! So far, so good!
There's no single-bullet treatment for candida either. Like borrelia and lyme.
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Thanks for such a well thought out and thorough reply! You are, as always, a wealth of information. I'm definitely going to look into the Sanum products.
To fill out the whole scoop, in case it helps anyone...I had a whopper of this sinus infection about a month ago, and tried some unfocused (mental) light therapy (PE-1 setting F), which helped a little but still left me needing a doctor. I admit, I allowed antibiotics back into my system and they worked. About 1.5 weeks after feeling better, I began to notice some stuffiness again. By 2 weeks post treatment, the infection had flared back quickly.
Round 2: I had been warned that it often takes two rounds of abx. This time, I was going to see what the drugs could alone. Let me tell ya', not a darn thing. THe abx and sudafed had a slight effect in the first few days, but it lessened until they were completely useless by day 3 or 4.
After some consideration, I finally determined that it was my tissues that were horribly swollen and not an abundance of crud in my passages that was demanding my attendance as a mouth breather (joke:)). I used the PE-1, SETTING H, on my nose, cheek, and temples for about 25 minutes each side at 70%, and began to fel relief in about 12-15 minutes. It was wonderful. My tissues have been pretty good since (2 days now), and I'll likely do another short treatment tonight to combat the indoor dry air of the season.
If the infection comes back, I will certainly try the autonosode. I am curious though Brussels, what kind of lab equipment do you use at home to make nosodes? Also, what form/method of energetic testing do you use?
Thanks again!
PS Qigong was heavenly -Felt great, relaxed, quietly energized, improved focus....this world of energy and quantum entanglement just keeps getting more exciting.
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There is a hot spring in Virginia 2 chronic lyme patients I know went there for 3 weeks it has lights of some type installed to kill off infection. I wonder if it is the same thing.
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steph, glad to hear about your progress. You were asking about MS and cancer. Please research Low Dose Naltrexon; LDN.
It is 98% effective in halting the progression of MS and has also put some types of cancer into remission.
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I'll check it out. THe family member in question has been told by conventional medical specialists that she's out of option. She's looking into clinical trials.
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I'll check it out. THe family member in question has been told by conventional medical specialists that she's out of option. She's looking into clinical trials.
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This is a wonderful thread. Thank you Steph, Brussels, Six and Hens... this has been a very informative thread for all that are contemplating embarking on this method of healing...
Wishing you continued LIGHT and wellness...
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Glad you've found it useful willbeatthis. This thread is pretty far down the list these days, but if anyone picks it up again, please private message me so I know to check back.
Quick update: Still doing well & though I feel like I have a lot of rebuilding to do, I feel stronger in my constitution to do it. Sleep is sometimes a challenge, but I feel it's my poor schedule habits these days. Going to get back on track with bedtimes and ashwaganda.
Thanks so much to everyone who has participated here! Sincerely...
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Hey Stephan or anyone who has used the Bionic 880. Where do I find out info. On the 880? What advice do ou have for someone who is quite ill if I do without I.v. Antibiotics?
Thanks, Sam
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6GoofyKids has a blog detailing her experience.
17Hens posted valuable info after her trip to Germany.
You can search on posts by those two.
Brussels has a lot of posts about the PE-1, also under her previous username, i forget what, selmanaka maybe.
Personally i have no idea what to advise very ill people! Brussels would know.
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Thanks, Pollypolygonum, I checked out her blog and now I have one person's story. Every bit of info. helps. Sam
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Sam, my daughter was on IV rocephin for 2 days after her relapse, back in 2009. I pulled her off (doctors wanted to kill me) and treated her AT HOME with the PE1 following dr. W's protocol.
She was sitting on her knees (from wheel chair!!) in less than a week.
It sounds too good to be true, I know. I wouldn't believe if I hadn't seen it happening.
After her intial success, I tried the protocol on myself and it put my lyme disease dormant in about 5 months. My daughter too, it took her about 5 months for her to get to full remission.
Definitively, abx in any form for us is the ALTERNATIVE option, when nothing else works.
I don't regret taking her off the IV stuff as her GI was already a mess... Probably due to lyme itself.
I can only talk about my own experience. ABX is for me like chemiotherapy: the last option, when nothing else works. It destroys too many good things to be used as first time gun (like chemiotherapy or radiotherapy does).
I still take ABX when nothing else works. But it is my last option. In the last 3 years, no one at home used any single capsule of abx.
We used during active lyme, here and then, but never more than a couple of days or weeks a year.
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