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I've been on orals for 2.5 years. I've never noticed that they have done anything. I've had thrush for a long time and taken Clotrimazole to keep down mouth pain (swelling behind two front teeth). I've tried Nystatin but that actually caused a lot of mouth pain. This summer I was increasing my dose of Ceftin and pulsing Flagyl and started having itchy/burning rectal area that felt like hemmorroids. Also prostatis. And some inner ear problems (equilibrium off) which progressed to hearing sensitivity when sound comes out of laptop computer or phones. In general, the oral abx I've been on for 2.5 years have done nothing. Flagyl gives me some energy, but I'm wondering if slow progression of problems like I've had is Lyme or yeast or both.
Ins co. rejected refills on Diflucan (I had it for 10 days). So I went on low glycemic/ minimal gluten diet and started taking more than just pro-biotic pearls + Kefir. Now I take Sacc Boulardii, a refridgerated "megaflora" lactobacillus/bifidus, L-Glutamine and the pain is a bit better. I've had less thrush and haven't needed Clotrimazole to manage pain. I notice after activity (e.g. an hour of yard work, or walking a mile) the itchy/burning butt comes on. What's that about?
I'm also thinking that the oral Abx have been a waste of time/$ and that I've got to get on IVs. Is this going to make the yeast problem worse?
Do people stay on Abx for 3+ years without seeing any improvement in Lyme symptoms even when yeast symptoms are manifesting?
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Sounds like you need to get aggressive with the yeast treatment. Perhaps ALL of your symptoms are due to yeast?? See link below on the similarity of symptoms.
Get a better probiotic than the pearls. (see below)
DIET, DIET, DIET is the key. Then, be sure to follow the 5 step plan outlined below. It was developed by my naturopath. It works.
"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."
Five Steps to Candida Elimination:
1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]
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breads .. low carb breads by Atkins, low carb and Ezekiel breads by Food for Life, low carb tortillas, brown rice bread, low carb pasta and noodles (in MODERATION!)
vegetables of color .. green, yellow, red, purple, etc... like squash, broccoli, cabbage, kale, bok choy, sweet potatoes, celery, spinach, romaine lettuce, collard greens, broccoli slaw, brown rice, basmati rice, millet
olive oil, lemon, organic apple cider vinegar, garlic, onion, limit to 1 oz sugar-free dressing daily
eggs, plain yogurt [NO sugar or fruit added], small amounts of butter, UNsweetened soy milk, Keto milk, kefir
chicken, fish, and turkey, baked or broiled, not fried
Snacks....seeds and nuts...pumpkin seeds, celery with almond butter, almonds, walnuts, unsweetened soy butter, roasted soy nuts
Fruits...Granny Smith apples, lemons, limes....fresh or frozen only
Beverages....WATER, herbal teas like Pau D'Arco, Echinacea, and aloe vera
FOODS TO AVOID:
Sugars: white sugar, honey, aspartame, equal, brown sugar, corn syrup, molasses, most fruits, canned fruits and fruit juices, syrups, soft drinks, cakes, cookies, chocolate
White flour breads and products: hot dog buns, hamburger buns, bread sticks, crackers, whole wheat breads, prepared foods with bread crumb coating, noodles, pasta
white veggies: potatoes, white rice, grits, also corn and all canned vegetables
alcohol and fermented foods, including soy sauce and cider, ginger ale, beer, wine, vinegar, sauerkraut, pickles, relishes, most dressings
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Lymetoo, what if a product has yeast in it? Do I avoid that? Like that Ezekial bread.... Posts: 147 | From youngstown | Registered: Oct 2011
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If you're really bad, I would avoid ALL breads. I can't eat Ezekiel anyway due to the gluten.
This list is from my naturopath who owns a health food store and sells the breads and low carb stuff....so take it with a grain of salt!!
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Had the itchy butt. For me it was yeast caused by my diet. I had to keep a journal to figure out what was giving me the problem...sugar.
I had to eliminate absolutely ALL forms of sugar from my diet (read everything). That means fruit too. I can't eat ANY bread or starch (no gluten free crackers either). The only grain I can eat is quinoa. That's it for me (quinoa, chicken, turkey, fish, some cheese, nuts, avocado, tomato and green veggies). I can't even have plain yogurt or kefir--tried it (sugar content too high for me). Occasionally I break down and have a couple of raspberries after I eat some quinoa though.
This has been a long process for me to discover what sets me off. Be careful of all the fake sugars, xyletol, mannitol, sorbital (they all bother me). Also, I can't eat anything with vanilla or any extracts in it because of the alcohol.
Also, you have to watch out for what's in vitamin/supplements. I can't have any of the ones that have starches, or sugars of any kind. I also had to find toothpaste and shampoo without sugar, starch or gluten. Again, read everything you put in or on your body.
You have to control the yeast through diet before you can make an impact on lyme and company. Once I started doing that, I finally started feeling better.
There are lots of us with this problem. Hang in there; you're not alone.
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Thanks for the posts and I read the other threads.
So the confusion between Lyme and candida overgrowth is now really wigging me out.
I guess I better not go begging for Rocephin while I have these fairly obvious signs of yeast infection.
So the diet and good quality probiotics all sound like healthy things. Seems like some people take Diflucan long-term while others take very brief doses. I've got an unfilled 90 pill prescription for this that I've hesitated to go fill. Anybody want to warn me now before I go on the stuff?
I was definitely bitten by a tick with Bb but I've had a somewhat atypical case of Lyme Disease. No response to Abx. No obvious cycles of Herx (not even sure I've had a genuine Herx). CD57 > 100 but positive Western blots from Igenex. Even the Lyme Diet (which I tried for about 3 months) didn't seem to have any effect. Now I have to wonder: could this have been yeast all along??? Maybe Lyme too? (Now I think I get the origin of Lymetoo's userid - jeeze I hope I'm not a Candida and Lyme too and not knowing if one caused the other.
I know. Its impossible to know.
But: Once Lyme treatment leads to a definite yeast problem is it time to pull the plug on Abx and deal exclusively with the yeast infection?
What tests (if any) should I get to give me a sense of how bad the yeast situation is? Is there testing to monitor progress?
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Marshall. I think a simple blood test through your llmd should do it. I have both yeast infection and lyme. My worst symptoms are digestive and neuro. I swear if I fixed the yeast, I'd be a lot better. I am taking diflucan once/week and abx.
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My yeast never showed up in a blood test, yet I still had it. I take Diflucan a couple of times a week (I have lots of heavy metals in my body, hence the yeast battle). MUCH better if I watch anything I eat or put on my skin.
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Marshall.. read catgirl's link about testing. It really isn't needed and may not show your problem. Just treat and see if you get better.
i would definitely pull the plug on abx for the next few months. See if you get better on the yeast protocol. Go fill the script!!
you may get die-off, but if you do, then take 1/2 pill a day for awhile
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I had some yeast issues recently and I used grapefruit seed extract plus my bionic machine. I think the GSE will knocked the yeast for a loop. I only took it a few times for one day-make sure you dilute it as it is strong!
The grapefruit seed extract will kill the good bacteria and the good yeast, so I have really been supplementing with a good probiotic plus the good yeast Saccharomyces boulardii.
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- jeeze I hope I'm not a Candida and Lyme too and not knowing if one caused the other.
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