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It is for real, can be very helpful for some people. just keep an open mind, if u feel that it may help then it may help u!
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Keebler
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- I can't read that site because the text is so squished together and used a font hard on the eyes. (Now that may be the notebook I'm using, I really miss the way sites used to look when I had a Mac.)
Most chiropractors who do this are not fully trained in acupuncture, so be sure to ask about their training.
From his site, I see that the doctor at the link above is trained ONLY in EAR and HAND acupuncture. He is not a fully licensed acupuncturist. That entails so much more depth.
Still, he may very good at what he does but just know that ear and hand acupuncture may be limiting for those with complex cases.
Most acupuncturists have 2 - 4 years of full time, post-graduate education and then internships. It's a very complex field of study.
Other doctors can get short courses for focused work. Each professional has their own style and one may be very talented and fill all one's needs. If not, looking around may offer other choices.
I'll just comment on my own experience with the EARS.
I had YEARS of ear acupuncture, at a clinic that did only that, keeping patients' fees very low.
This was before I knew I had lyme and other stealth infections. Though I "just" had "CFS" but it was much more.
My take on the ear acupuncture: for myself, it did not help very much at all. Sometimes, it made me worse.
Partly because it HURT so much. Such pain sends caustic stress hormones to the moon and can damage the body for quite some time afterward - for me, anyway. But I kept going because that the only medical care I had at all at that time.
But it was also not really very effective for me because everyone at the clinic was in a big room and just sat in chairs. Not relaxing at all to be shoulder to shoulder and have to remain sitting.
Ear Acupuncture is often just the basic 5 points, not specific and usually not individualized (although there can be other points but most often they are just not used).
Even now, I recoil at the recollection of how much more painful to me the ear points were than any other acupuncture points later used for full body acupuncture with other doctors.
Private sessions, where you lie down and all needle sites are considered are the best, in my experience. Just the ears can be very limiting.
My ND/L.Ac. will still sometimes ADD some ear points but she has the full range of options, depending upon what my needs are for that appointment.
I have learned that massaging the outer ear every day a couple of times can be very beneficial, holding and working any tender points. -
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. . . The main disadvantage of ear acupuncture is the requirement to find the most painful spot for it to be fully effective, and this is not pleasant for people who are very sensitive to pain.
The best points are those that feel like an electric shock or like hitting a raw nerve!. . . .
[scroll down for a chart of ear reflex points]
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And, as mentioned before, and as I found, the PAIN involved in the ear acupuncture can be absolutely devastating for anyone with adrenal dysfunction that usually goes with lyme.
I also had a great deal of pain from the style called "Five Element Acupuncture" - as they try to find the (my word, not theirs) "ZING" point - often on the tips of the toes, just to the side of the nail bed - or other places on the foot or tender shin.
Terribly painful - and, again, major adrenal exhaustion from the stress of those "zings" for days afterward.
However, other doctors, other techniques have been painless and very helpful in many ways. It takes a very special acupuncturist to truly understand just how very tender some of us are.
Most really don't get it. That's why it's best to see one who is ILADS-educated.
As relatively cost conscience as some acupuncture student clinics can be, most often, interns who are just starting out can be brutal without intending to be because they've just not seen many patients like us yet.
Acupuncture is a skill and it really pays to find those who are most skilled, with an expert touch and style that fits what we need.
It should not hurt, really. -
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Call me skeptical, but learning homeopathy from a seminar seems a little odd, considering that most Homeopathic physicians spend years in training and it can take many years of practice before they really become good at prescribing homeopathy.
I know this guy claims he uses some kind of testing method, but I still question the depth of his homeopathy knowledge...
Furthermore, I noticed the mention of the Palmer method... All the Palmer method Chiropractors I've seen have been more interested in how much money they could make from me than in really helping me to improve without needing to come in 3-5x/week for years...
In short, I don't trust this guy...
All of the above is just my opinion based on what I read on his website, and I could be totally wrong about him and his training/experience.
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Thanks for your input. Hubby has had regular accupuncture in the past and it really did not do much of anything for him -- good or bad. And that was with a real Chinese accupuncture doc who immigrated to the U.S.
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something, but like I said the whole tone of the website really bothered me -- trying way too hard to sell their treatment and bashing all other methods.
If the treatment works so well and is so effective then it should speak for itself without needing to run down other docs and methods.
Not sure, but the same guy may have multiple websites. One of the links I clicked on (maybe the new patient info) lead to the necksecret.com address that someone listed above.
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- Bea,
I'm with Razzle on this particular guy. I would stay far, far away from him.
I usually don't give my firm personal opinion and sort of couch it with pros and cons. But, indeed, I would not pursue treatment with this guy for a complex case.
I've followed your husband's progress for along time and from my estimation, he needs a doctor who is much better educated with more experience than this guy and all these condensed courses and what I perceive as pandering.
Now, some of these short crash courses can be helpful for some other kinds of doctors. But so much depends on HOW they use that limited knowledge and their perspective and humility.
As for the claims that his homeopathy "cured" his family of lyme, well, that is a pull, for sure. It would be interesting to see what those in the area support groups might say of him.
I will also add that I've used homeopathy with several NDs over the years. As a symptom relief, it can be very good.
But, I'll say, too, that one MD / ND who wanted to do just classical homeopathy for my case of lyme . . . well, after a couple appointments there where every time a door slammed (or even closed) shut, the sound would trigger a seizure for me.
After 2 or 3 appointments, he had his intern call me. Their homeopathic path recommendation: They wanted me "to take a very hard look at why I was doing this to myself."
That's when I got off the boat of classical homeopathy. I had been told that this MD / ND was lyme familiar. He had just moved from the east coast to join the naturopathic college faculty.
And all I got was their "wanting me to take a hard look at why I was bringing this on myself" - only if I did that, they said, would homeopathy really work.
[For the record, I've done all that soul searching and am not bringing this on myself. I did explore possible deep seated reasons. Wanted to find some. But, no, a toxic infection is a toxic infection.]
Now, not all homeopathic doctors practice that way. And there has been one poster here here who did VERY well with a long course of homeopathy. There are just so many variables. -
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