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Stone110
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Looking for imput on supplements, food, or any other tips on how to get through surgery .
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When is this scheduled?

Most supplements need to be discontinued 2 weeks prior. Some can take you close to the time and some might be able to be transdermal or sublingual (especially if homeopathic).

It's best to work with someone well educated regarding nutritional and herbal supplements, most specifically a ND, L.Ac. or someone with similar training and expertise.

THEY need to work with your anesthesiologist.

You might call the patient education office (or go to the website) at the hospital where this is to be performed. See if they have any naturopathic doctors or acupuncturists on staff - in any department.

Find out who they are and then call their private offices.

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Holistic M.D., etc.

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures;

Knowing that support supplements are important, but NEVER enough alone. And knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches.

BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL links, and

BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,

RIFE links,

BIONIC 880 (& PE-1) links, and

LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail.
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I would not eat one bite or drink one sip of hospital food.

Hopefully, you can have friends or relatives bring you fresh organic vegetable juices, hummus, etc. from nearby natural foods stores.

Most hospital food is very toxic and will not help you get better at all. Not only that, most is heated in plastic. NEVER consume any hot liquid from plastics of any kind.

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http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/2011/07/why-my-mother-refused-to-eat-hospital.html

Friday, July 22, 2011

WHY MY MOTHER REFUSED TO EAT HOSPITAL FOOD

- By Dr. David Brownstein

My mother was in the hospital this week for surgery.

Thankfully, she came home today. However, I wanted to write to you about the diet she was placed on while in the hospital.

Since she had bowel surgery, she was put on clear liquids immediately after the surgery. When the clear liquid tray was brought up to my mother she said, "I would rather starve than eat that mess."

There were five items given to my mother (see the picture on the right). Chicken broth from bouillon, diet sorbet, decaffeinated coffee, diet jello, and something labelled fruit ice.

The ingredients from the bouillon cubes included partially hydrogenated soybean oil, sugar, hydrolyzed corn pectin,and silicon dioxide.

There were a few other ingredients that I could not pronounce--I would assume they are not good things to ingest.

In fact, I have been telling my patients for years to read food labels and only purchase items where you can prounounce all the ingredients.

. . . much more detail at the blog link above.
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If you are likely to receive steroids, your lyme doctor should have input on this FIRST.
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Thank you keebler, I am seeing my LLmd a week before the surgery. Stopping all antibiots a week before. No to steroids. Going to pre op tomorrow. Very nervous surgery will put me in a tail spin.
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Stone110,

I hope everything goes smoothly and you have a quick recovery.

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Google:

Foods to eat before surgery

Holistic healing before surgery.

Lots of good info

Gael

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My standard advice is

what ever is on your mind before you "go out" is what you will wake up with. I try to always have peaceful thoughts and pray.

drink lots of water to flush the anesthetic out
and walk as soon as you are able.

let us know how you are doing!

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Sorry you're having to go in for surgery, and wishing you a speedy recovery.

I've had 2 major surgeries since Lyme, one before the Lyme diagnosis, one later. With both, had a lot of support from an ND regarding nutrition and preparation, both before and after the surgery.

Also very helpful was reiki, acupuncture, meditation, and the like.

The first surgery was for breast cancer, followed by 8 weeks of radiation therapy. With lots of rest and help from other people, I got through it surprisingly well, needed lots of time to recover.

The second surgery was hysterectomy and oophorectomy. Again, the nutrition, supplements, and lots of rest were essential. Also the complementary therapies. It did take me longer than most people to recover, but it did not cause a relapse.

Best wishes to you.

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Thank you everyone. Dealing with Lyme and co is a battle every day . I have seen some improvement in 2 long years if treatment and do not want to go backwards. Hoprful4 , wow you are amazing. Thank you for sharing.
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Thank you everyone. Dealing with Lyme and co is a battle every day . I have seen some improvement in 2 long years if treatment and do not want to go backwards. Hoprful4 , wow you are amazing. Thank you for sharing.
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I had emergency surgery and didn't relapse.

Afterwards my LLMD told me that surgery depletes Vit C, Magnesium and Vit B

Good luck with your surgery and try not to worry.....because worrying is like praying for something bad to happen.

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Here's a possible suggestion. There's a guided imagery CD called "Meditations to Promote Successful Surgery" by Belleruth Naparstek. It has before surgery guided imagery and post-surgery affirmations. Also music to play during surgery!

The cover says that research shows guided imagery can help:

Relax, calm and elevate mood
Speed up healing from surgidal wounds
Elevate immune function
Reduce pain and headacher
Lower anxiety and depression

You might be able to get it at your library, or something similar to it.

There are also mindfulness meditation CDs to help you reduce stress and enhance healing.

Take care.

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For both laparoscopic ovarian surgery and also for foot surgery, during the pre-surgical interview with the anesthesiologist, I asked that they give me hypnotic suggestions to do well during - and after - surgery.

It was amazing, really, how well that worked. Of course, I had my carrot, beet and ginger juice ready for my post-surgical meal, etc. but I really think the hypnotic suggestions helped.

Very much in line with the previous post. What you tell yourself, what you allow your mind to help you with - it can be amazing. Now, it may not make a miracle but it sure can help in many ways.
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Links from hopeful4's suggestion above, so that you can get this ASAP:
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http://www.amazon.com/Health-Journeys-Meditation-Promote-Successful/dp/1881405346/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Health Journeys: A Meditation to Promote Successful Surgery [Audio CD]

- by Belleruth Naparstek


http://www.healthjourneys.com/Product_Detail.aspx?id=29

Directly from the author�s website �

Health Journeys: A Meditation to Promote Successful Surgery [Audio CD]

You can read many customer reviews here and order the CD, MP3 or �playaway� versions. There is also an audio sample.

That MP3 seems like it would download immediately.

Also ask the hospital if they have similar CDs or take this with you.


http://belleruthnaparstek.com/

Belleruth Naparstek website
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NO Supplements should be taken for a certain number of days prior to surgery unless cleared with your MD &/or Naturopathic doctor who would be well versed in surgery issues. Before your conversations with them about this, these links may be of help:


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123746;p=0

Topic: MAGNESIUM LINKS sets

Pulling out just a few of the posts from that fuller set:


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1725934/

The role of magnesium in the emergency department


http://magnesiumforlife.com/medical-application/magnesium-in-neurological-diseases-and-emotions/

Magnesium in Neurological Diseases and Emotions

. . . Natural Emergency Medicine when used in emergency situations. . . .


http://magnesiumforlife.com/medical-application/magnesium-%E2%80%93-the-ultimate-heart-medicine/

Magnesium � the Ultimate Heart Medicine
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Steroids are often used in surgeries to manage inflammation (magnesium would be safer, though).

Know why steroids can be a disaster for those with lyme and be sure your LL doctor and the hospital staff are on the same page:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/100984?#000000

Topic: what do STEROIDS actually do to those with lyme?


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123939;p=0

Topic: Minor surgery and steriods - complications from steroids that were not supposed to be administered.
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Ephineprine is another issue that is good to know about in advance. Here are some notes from a dental thread:


If you are to receive any injection of a numbing agent at the dentist, be sure to have them give you the kind without epinephrine and have them write on the inside of your chart:

NO EPI

Epinephrine is frequently in the anesthetic so you have to specifically ask for the kind with that left out. You might call now and make sure they do carry the "No EPI" kinds.

Epinephrine makes it easier for the dentist to work on you (I think because there is less blood but not sure I remember why).

However, epinephrine - even just a tiny bit - can cause neurological & adrenal excitation / irritation, even anxiety and seizures for some with lyme (I found out the hard way).

This can also be part of the reason many report such "pay-back" for a day or more following just GOING to the dentist even if the procedure is relatively minor.

Of course, the noise, lights and other stressors also contribute to that "pay-back" so be sure to plan light "duty" after the appt. and for the next few days.
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I was always told to just stop any supplement that thins the blood like fish oil. I never stopped any other supplements.

To help recovery, you can go to an integrative doctor and have them hang a vitamin IV bag a day or two before surgery.

The vitamins speed up recovery. It really works.

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