tricia386
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Hi so I have been dealing with a lot of anxiety and depression.
I mean who isn't the stress of this disease the fear of never getting better, the herxs, the side effects and the infections themselves.
I have bartonella, a heavy load. I have yet to treat worked on Babs and Lyme first about to go after Bart again.I tried to take Levaquin but it was to much.
Anyways....
I have been doing a lot of reading about lithium orotate and about to ask my LLMD if I can try it.
Has anyone tried it. What were your experiences?
Is it safe?
I know I need to treat bart it will get rid of al ot of the anxiety and panic.
But I need a lil something to get me through. I get so nevrous all the time about medicines that it makes me wanna stop...
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I take one tablet daily . It has calming effect . It is neuroregenerative and supports the brain . I also take Sam E , fish oil , B Vitamins and a LOW dose of zoloft . These all help a ton!
You can read reviews of it at iherb or amazon. I do not think I could say it would be enough alone for me . It does have a calming effect for me. However , if I take 2 I feel wired .
Some people take a lot more . Worth a try . Also , look into a medical food called deplin and read reviews at drugs.com .
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- Yes, it is very safe, in low dose.
At the time I tried it to help calm seizures.
Also consider L-Taurine along with your magnesium. Both calm down the neuro-toxicity reaction of the excitatory NMDA receptors.
For Fish Oil: OmegaBrite.
As the anxiety with lyme & co. comes from toxicity, also be sure to have adequate LIVER support - and also ADRENAL support. -
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LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too. -
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- I love to learn about the range of opportunities (and understand any cautions) for everything I consume. I hope this helps as you make your decision.
Some very interesting detail here: -----------------------------------------------
Orotates and the mineral transporters - by Ed Sharpe
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All those links are GENERAL. I know there are some articles specific to Lithium Orotate as used for support in tick-borne disease treatment.
But I have to stop there. It would be best to find those, too. -
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tricia386
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Thanks Keebler as always for your information.
I am doing Milk Thistle and NAC for liver support.
I just hate this anxiety and panic its hard to do treatment when your scared to take anything
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- I understand caution with new items as I really have to be careful with anything that is even slightly stimulating - or too sedating.
It's just important start LO very low dose or it can be TOO sedating.
Buy a small bottle at first for anything new. With this, you'll know within a few days if it resonates with you.
I mentioned L-Taurine as that is a calming amino acid that we are often deficient in, so it's also worth some study. You can do the same kind of search as above for L-Taurine, or just Taurine.
Best to consult with a LL ND.
Good luck and Take Care. -
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tricia386
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Keebler are you in remission. Are you treating?
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- I am not in remission. I am not treating, per se, other than one or two of the most important things when the budget allows.
Like many, just doing the best possible with available resources which is often just a thin shoe string.
Trying to learn more each day so that the tools I do have can be most effective. I jsut share detail about things that have helped me at various times when I could do those - or things I learned when I could consult with a LL ND (or other NDs along the way) - or what I've read. -
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I take one tablet a day, 5mg
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tricia386
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How long did it take to know if it was working ?
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tricia386
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It helped with anxiety and panic?? How long till you noticed it working?
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- tricia,
it started working immediately, as I recall. Within an hour, anyway, it's very relaxing. Best to take your first dose of an evening when you are not going to be out driving, etc.
Be sure to drink water all throughout the day and evening, too.
Good luck. -
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tricia386
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Okay. I think I might give it a try and helpe reduce some anxiety and panic.
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I have used LO with good success although I found a supplement called Zen and it works wonders.
Zen is all natural and it stops the anxiety in minutes.
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Dr's Best has that Magnesium Sterate that's been on a few post
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You might check out a medical food that helps your body make the righr chemicals: deplin - if you google deplin and reviews , you will find more info.
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tricia386
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Thanks annxyzz, I will look into it.
Have you taken it?
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It took about a week before I started noticing a difference, but I'm only taking 5 mg a day. I wasn't sure it was helping until I stopped taking it and then about 1 1/2 weeks later I started getting really anxious and fearful again.
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I take 15mg LO per day and it helped. I also take tryptophan before sleep, omega 3 and strong B's.
How much zoloft do you take, annxyzz ? I considered adding this one too, but I am not too sure about dose as I had big problems with standard dose.
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tricia386
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Does the tryptophan help at night
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Yes, it does, but I can not take large dose, I have nightmares then. But I currently fight with bartonella.
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tricia386
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I hate bartonella .
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Tricia--I sent you a PM a while back, but you did not reply..
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Keebler
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up to help someone who just asked about this
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Wonder if it causes withdrawal symptoms of anxiety like a benzo when you'd stop it "cold turkey"?
Can that happen?
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- Marz,
Not sure if this happened to you or you'd just want to know in advance.
The links, the literature will detail the best way to take this, and the best way to stop at which time that may be desired.
It's not addictive, though, if that is what you are asking. It's a nutrient, a mineral food, really. Not a manufactured chemical.
So, while if stopped "cold turkey" there may be a noticiable difference, my bet is that it's not going to provoke withdrawal as with benzos.
Usually, for those with lyme, it's best to start nearly anything with a tiny dose and only gradually increase over time. If one would want to stop and all seems okay, backing back down the same way would be best. Slowly.
I've tried this a couple times in hopes that it would help my brain avoid seizures - years ago. It was just not the right one for me.
I can't recall just why it was not the best fit for me, but I only tried one brand and I don't recall all the other variables at that time. I might just have needed a wider range of support, too.
That was before I got internet service so I was not as able to study it, though. It may have even been before the internet was available. (Yes, there was a time not so long ago.)
There are other articles that detail litium orotate for those with lyme. A web cross search should find those.
Very often, lyme changes a lot about how we are to take things.
And, of course, your LLMD might best advise.
For nearly anything I take, I probably read at least 15 articles so I can combine the wisdom. I hope you find the above links of help but also do search for more. It's out there.
Good luck. -
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Lithium Orotate in Support of Lyme Disease treatment
Excerpt from "The Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments" - by Bryan Rosner
Article sections:
Protection for your brain
Lithium and neurotoxicity
Lithium and Lyme Disease
Other benefits of lithium
Prescription vs. over-the-counter lithium
Conclusion and product information -
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- This set is frequently posted when discussing support methods but I noticed it was not in this set. Just in case there is someone new to all this:
When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;
knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.
You can compare and contrast many approaches.
BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links . . . . -
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- poppy just posted this at another thread:
Lithium can make hypothyroidism worse. That may be why it appeared to cause fatigue. -
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