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Sammi
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This chart has helped me over the years, and I wanted to post it for those who have not seen it:

http://drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-symptoms-matrix

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Thanks Sammi, great chart!!!
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Sammi
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You are welcome!
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What a great chart! Thanks! I know I have Hashimoto. i am about to run an adernal test this weekend. I am pretty sure I have adernal fatigue as well.

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What an eye opener! I have adrenal fatigue! Now what to do about it. . . . . .

I think I hit 75% of what was on that chart. I was stunned. It makes since because I have been under a lot of stress all of my life since I was a child growing up in a violent alcoholic home. I have very strong intuitive responses to other people's feelings. No wonder, given my early environment.

So, now what?

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Thanks so much for this. It is very helpful!

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Sammi
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I am glad you guys find this helpful also. Lyme definitely affects hormones.

nefferdun, have you ever had saliva testing done to test your adrenal function? I believe that would be a good place to start. My doctor uses Aeron Lab: http://www.aeron.com/new_page_6.htm

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Doctors keep trying to convince me I have thyroid issues despite normal thyroid levels, but according to this chart, I don't (only answered "yes" to one or two of the thyroid things, but lots and lots of "yeses" to the adrenal stuff). I have adrenal issues (I knew that...because of that intuition thing...) based on this chart (I have a majority of the things listed under Adrenal Fatigue.

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Sammi - have you heard anything about doing a 24 hours urine cortisol test instead of saliva? I thought I recently read somewhere that the urine tests are better (of course, can't recall where I read this - it might have been at Dr. G. in NY's website).
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Drawback to the urine test is it cannot tell you the timing of your body's cortisol peaks & valleys. There are natural peaks and valleys and they can be shifted or different from normal.

The saliva test is able to detect these, but the urine test only gives you one number for the whole 24 hours, so it may miss important information.

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Sammi
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Bitten in Bergen, I am not familiar with the cortisol urine test. I think Razzle makes some good points about it though.

The saliva test is done at specific times during one day. This provides a pretty clear assessment of cortisol function throughout the day.

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Razzle is correct. The saliva test taken at four separate times during the course of one day gives you a complete picture.

A urine test does not. Most mainstream endocrinologists , who are clueless about adrenal dysfunction, as opposed to having full blown cushings or addison's disease still use it.

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