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Originally posted by seibertneurolyme:
.... Looks like this test may only be available in Europe currently. ....

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Well, the info that Boulder gives is the same for the USA as well as for Europe: "SpiroFind will soon be available."

But my point is not so much the availability, but more just further scientific information. Judging from the net, the project ist pretty much 'top secret' at the time.

However, I thought that US LLMDs might have heard about it .... ?

Anyway, I am sceptical, because the test naturally is only an indirect method. It reminds very much of the LTT. So he who doesn't want to believe it, won't believe it, I'm afraid.

Anyway, the idea is just perfect: someone discovers that a reliable diagnostic test for Lyme could make an awful lot of money. And so, all the religiuos warfare is brought to an end. But that, of course, requires that the test is really reliable.


Best regards,
Guido

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Well, if the CDC is involved with this test, I will be suspicious. What gave you that idea? All of the authors of the article are Dutch. ....

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I read that in an article in German, I can't remember where. Anyway, the CDC is also mentioned in the dutch article above, though I cannot translate the exact meaning.

However, it is too early to speculate about the test. Your link above suggests that a reaction of the innate immune system is tested, and this has nothing to do with antibodies. Anyway, there has to be SOME immune reaction, because otherwise you would not be sick.

But as I said above: "Of course, it might also be a conspiracy: if Steere is behind it, we are all going to be tested 'perfectly healthy'. But fortunately, this is only ONE possibility! "


Best reargds,
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.... I guess I have to get into a clinical trial! ....

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.... and I did: yesterday, my bloody blood was picked up by TNT for Boulder Europe to perform a SpiroFind. Everything's for free, now ain't that cool? I will get the result next week. Of course, I will keep you informed!

But I will eat my hat, and hell will freeze over if this is not positive! I think I am relative severely sick and since 5 years, I have antibodies galore in at least 5 different laboratories.

And how do you call the test for Lymphocyte activation against Bb in English? I could not find this on the net. (We call it LTT for "Lymphocyte Transformation Test"; this is what I was referring to above.) Anyway, that is also very positive in me everytime, naturally.


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We just need to stop thinking any test will catch all cases. ....

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Yes, that's right! We will just have to see if enough peolpe are catched. Still, they don't seem to have published ANYTHING. Beside the confusion about my result, they are making an odd sort of clinical trial. They didn't ask me ANYTHING (nor did they wanted to see me, of course), as was with all participants I heard of. Then they said, one should not take ABx, but that was a little too late.

Yes, thanks: in fact I was really disappointed first. But then again: If I HAD a positive result, no one would believe it anyway. At least, my trusted GP still believes me, and that is most important!


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We just need to stop thinking any test will catch all cases. ....

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One should put it differently: no blood test is 100 % safe and reliable. It will either be not sensitive enough or too sensitive. So their marketing is complete horse-sh*t.

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Originally posted by Guido:
One should put it differently: ....

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I shut put it yet completely different: in this case, they can adjust the sensitivity completely ad lib by defining the thresholds, because anyone's monocytes will produce cytokines when exposed to "bacteria stuff".

For example, the threshold for Interleukin is 2.800 pg/ml (at MOI 2.0). And no one with a normal immune system has plain "0".

And that just seems the difficulty to me: how will they adjust the threshold if you are unable to tell reliably who is sick and who is not?


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